Vive Pro First Impressions!

[@TribalInstincts]

UPDATE! There is a USB-C port. It is not obvious *at all* however it exists and I've verified passthrough.

[@pumpuppthevolume]

TribalInstincts usbc to 3.5 jack? :P

[@DerSolinski]

could you post a picture of it somewhere?

[@Muckylittleme]

Far too gushing, reminds of the original VR reviews that got me into VR, "I don't notice the screendoor", "It's so immersive, I feel like I'm there" bla bla bla, all total bullshit. I would guess your original Vive review would be just as gushing. The problem with reviews such as this they are only relative to someone as an enthusiast with very low expectations and tend to be very subjective rather than objective. Yes you finally mention a couple of flaws but they are almost hand waved away and you don't even mention the elephant in the room, the price! Finally I wouldn't buy this if it was true 8k, the price is obsene, especially in the UK, £800 just for the ehadset? HTC can get fucked and then some. You come across as a shill TBH. I will wait for the higher spec Pimax 8k or even Goggle next year.

[@DerSolinski]

Dan Brown do you know what almost every reviewer also said? Try it your self, not something to buy blind. Also I think his review is very accurate even so I hadn't a chance to try out the pro myself. And since this device isn't marketed for consumers I think the price is justified.

[@Muckylittleme]

Hi Tim, it is on the consumer market and is clearly a consumer product but I don't see that as relevant to the price anyhow. How is it justifiable? Over $1,100 dollars just for a HMD which frankly is little better than last gen? I won't be buying and I think anyone who does will have severe buyers remorse within 12 months. This is HTC trying to rip people off because of lack of competition while they can. And what a big F*ck you to original buyers, hey you can get a small upgrade for $800. HMD's like the Pimax need be only half decent to blow it out of the water and they will probably be a lot cheaper too!

[@Zimtok5]

Thank you! This was the first impressions video I hoped existed. Another well-detailed and emotive composition, Tribal.

[@lonniefarrare1297]

For 800 bucks I'll stay in the stinky room. I'm waiting.

[@mururoa7024]

Aah, finally a proper Vive Pro review! Thanks a bunch for talking about what matters!

[@Petrakeas]

@TribalInsticts the reason some surfaces looked flat is because normal mapping does not work "well" in VR. Normal-mapping can make a model appear more complex and be affected by lighting, but it's not actual geometry. So, when you have a stereo image (when using VR) your brain can calculate that it is a flat surface. When seen with just one eye (or when playing a game in a monitor) you can't understand that and normal-mapping works as intended!

[@sirjonsmithiii992]

Still wish they would have improved the lenses and the FOV.

[@EinkOLED]

Jon Smith Oculus will release a game changer. They're doing a lot of research.

[@brandon9271]

EinkOLED I hope you're right. I read an article that Valve is also working on vastly improved lenses. Honestly, I'd be ok with refractive lenses like PSVR, GearVR and OSVR HDK use. I can't imagine what advantage fresnel lenses have other than being thinner and thus, cheaper to produce

[@ge2719]

brando92711 less chromatic aberation

[@brandon9271]

Graeme Evans yeah, that's a plus but to me the god rays are a bigger problem for me. I think everyone is different when it comes to what bothers them or if they notice at all. Fresnel may be better for pupil swim as well. What i do know is that between the Rift and Samsung Odyssey, the Odyssey had much fewer "god rays" but had a much smaller sweet spot. On the Rift the god rays are more like a smear than rays. I keep wanting to clean my lenses but nothing is there. 😒

[@dekoomers]

Agreed. The god Rays are a deal breaker, When it happens it just takes you out of the immersion. I really do want more high res screen, But that also needs to be paired with improved lens.

[@jack-o-murphy]

“I can not wait to find out even this smells bad!” This line made me hit that subscribe button before even finishing the video. Great stuff!

[@ge2719]

since the vive and chill uses usb it will run off of any 5v battery, so any portable usb charger, or any 5v rechargeable lipo battery

[@Mark-bl2pr]

Great initial impressions. I can't wait for your full review!

[@rickardh8183]

A shame with the price. I just can't make myself buy it for that price. It's just... stupid. I got the money, but heck man. Just... no.

[@RyanHawley76]

I hear you, man. My wife even gave me the green light, but I won't buy at the current price...but dang, this video makes me want it more. Sad.

[@jayireland561]

Same. Ive paid much more on my VR system and have the income for it but an $800 res upgrade is just not gonna happen. Gonna wait to see what LG or another tech company has to offer.

[@underflip2]

I feel the same. I have the money but I just can’t justify it. For me the upgrade is not big enough.

[@JoPo4815162342]

From what I've gathered. It's called the vive pro because it's more for professionals. Developers and such who are making money from VR. No so much people who are just buying it for games and such

[@7MAD-OLAMBA]

same here. I can afford it, but I really hate to be milked.

[@beatrixnatus8368]

Where are the next videos with the vive pro? I'm looking every day for new content on this one. Share your playsessions with us, please.

[@SorenBagley]

awesome first impressions video. I'm really excited for the next one!

[@f4bled_4ever]

Just got in a car accident,everyone is ok.Thank you for a distraction from my neck pain

[@blind_neighbourhoodNerd]

Great video man. Can't wait till mine arrives

[@caballete0075]

I built a rig in January waiting for the Vibe Pro but when I read about the little improvements, I decided to try the Samsung Odyssey. No regrets at all. These is a great year for VR enthusiast I know there will be more options. HTC greed is too much they are loosing a momentum o reach more people and the Vibe Pro is not for professionals as they stated is just an upgrade of v1.

[@WhoTnT]

I got my Vive before my 1070ti arrived and tried it with a 750ti. The Lab worked perfectly fine as long as the chaperone was not visible and opening the system menu killed it so there is definitely a problem with the steam menu and chaperone system. I don't notice it anymore with the 1070ti but I don't like the idea that the chaperone could be causing performance issues.

[@brett20000000009]

more pixels = better 3d effect. On the vive 1 the 3d sweetspot is very close to your face anything out in the distance is just monoscopic because there's just not enough pixels.

[@johntheux9238]

It's due to the lens, not the pixels.

[@SenRa07]

I bought the old Vive last week, it's perfectly fine when you never experienced VR, the Vive pro alone is 900€ in Europe, erm no thanks.

[@vapenate8634]

lets be honest the only thing that matters is the resolution! is it much better than the original vive? is it worth upgrading from a gen one vive to this or better to wait for proper 4k headset?

[@JRittelmeyer]

78% resolution increase seems pretty substantial when considering your eyes are so close to the displays.. I'm still waiting on my pre-order to come in, so I haven't tried it yet, but I can't imagine anything other than it being a huge difference, and every review I've read has hinted at this. I think each new generation is going to be a decent-sized leap in this area for a few years at least.

[@TK-lj4oq]

@@JRittelmeyer So was there a big difference?

[@TheMillionDollarDropout]

@3:48 I wonder why the area just above the Bitfenix fan controller has a slightly thicker all white cover than my CM Storym case lol. Mine has a slightly thinner white little plastic bar and also has 2 holes with black screws in them.

[@reicrystalline2506]

No one ever mentions the microphone quality in these reviews, and whether its any improvement on the vive. Perhaps a mic test comparison would make a handy video for those wanting to compare and invest in a vive pro.

[@bskdopeboy]

Are you aware of the 'advanced settings' addon for the Vive? You can change waaaaaaay more than you can on the standard settings. The graphics capabilities of the original Vive are unbelievable, and reading text is no problem at all if you just turn the graphics up. Obviously, you need a PC to back it up, but it's not all that of a hindrance and you can play around and tweak it to suit your computer.

[@PeterCarqueville]

I'd like to know more about what we can do with the new front facing cameras.

[@ge2719]

Peter Carqueville you can film stuff with them

[@theologix01]

About the price, that's just the early adopter tax. They'll drop the price around the holidays (and generate headlines, etc.).

[@usmcmsgt5487]

I’m from the year 2035 and that is such old tech. Compared to wearing the HTC Contacts.... yes contact lenses is coming and it’s so immersive and you’re not constricted to play in a building, your home, etc. etc. etc. you can walk anywhere you want and play, or watch a movie...

[@johntheux9238]

What the fuck... but contact lenses instead of build-in lenses looks like a good way to keep a good sweet-spot using a vr headset.

[@samv03]

Interesting. I will be curious to see what you think about the price moving forward as the new device excitement wears off.

[@ArminNoroozi]

Hey @TribalInstincts ... Regarding the frame drops, have you tried overriding the video resolution? This section is new in SteamVR and it automatically sets the resolution for you based on your GPU (and perhaps the rest of your hardware). For me it gets automatically set to 230%. This means, each eye will get rendered at 2293x2548 (instead of the default 1512x1680). To change it, on your SteamVR app, go to Settings -> Video -> Manual Override. Try and restart the game you are playing after applying the override. Most games (including SteamVR Home) need to be restarted for this to properly take effect. I'd like to hear what the results are (perhaps in a video, rather than in comments). It is always great to see your videos when you cover everything in detail. Cheers

[@HybridEnergy]

Dude he knows, there are people claiming that a 1080 gets set to 85% when you get pluggged in the PRO ! It's demanding this new resolution, sorry. your 230 will probably become 100.

[@mazelon]

A good little usb charge pack with an on/off and chill should work good. if you can find a comfy place to strap it on.

[@Tj_1988]

Yea, think ill be going with the Pimax 8k X if the reviews are solid. At $800, there is no point when HMDs with wider FOV as well as even higher resolution are around the corner.

[@TheJAMF]

Still curious if flight combat games (DCS/IL2),Elite Dangerous and racing games (pCARS2/AssettoCorsa) become more enjoyable with the increase in pixels. The HUD resolution and the distant bandits are important objects in flight sims.

[@Gissel1989]

Well you wont damage the headset with the vive'n'chill Thats why htc removed the usb.

[@PeterKittenberger]

What about the cameras? Is the quality of the picture in the dashboard good enough to distinguish the letters on a keyboard? What about the room-view? Any improvements there? Could this even be used for AR games?

[@ytdlder]

A note about those headphones: tried the ones from the Deluxe Audio and some other - quite expensive - models out there. Do yourself a favor and get the Philips Fidelio X2 (got 'em for 150€) You won't believe the audio quality on those! Everyone that's tried them (VR or otherwise) was extremely amazed :-) And yes, they look and probably are a bit on the heavy side, but I play VR with those all day long. They are super comfortable! The only downside: they are not super-tight on your head, meaning too rapid movement can lead to you re-adjusting them. But I guess because of that you can literally wear them for hours :-) And because of their 50mm drivers, they can produce - if you want - massive amounts of clear, brutal bass :D But as the soundcard software-equalizer obviously doesn't work on HDMI sound, you need a software equalizer; use 'Equalizer APO'. Needs to be configured only once and it works autom. when you start your Vive (or Rift for that matter). Cheers!

[@zellers4]

Im looking forward to see if the wireless is going to be good or not at this point. A wireless htc vive would be amazing and i would love to just strap on and play. Closer and closer do we move to the day and age of which movies portray the virtual world :D

[@jeandenishaas]

Thanks for sharing your impressions!

[@Frankincense_]

Great Clip :) Thankyou for making it.

[@Terena_Darkeen]

Well, I had a chance to test out a lot of VR headset on Slush and GDC etc, I must say if this is "Pro" I have no idea how to classify what Varjo is. It was a mind blowing experience.

[@swfreeD]

please get us some through the lens footage and some vive comparison shots, so we can judge ourselfs how significant the resolution increase even is.

[@blinddirector]

Can you show how the headphones detach and their connection point? Am interested in the ease/difficulty in creating a 3rd party replacement or an aux adapter that can swap into where the headphones detach.

[@jonasroels7700]

For the vive and chill i guess you could strap on a (small) powerbank. Maybe attaching it with velcro so you can take it off. (love your videos)

[@rtye23]

Yep small powerbank will definitely work, it runs off 5V, also a C to usb female adapter will also do the trick

[@damonhtoo]

I've heard about the resolution problem with Onward in particular. Have you tried Pavlov? How do you feel about scopes/sights in that versus Onward?

[@Lopeirada]

Hey, In Onward and PAvlov VR do you notice an improvement on telling friend from foe? I know you said you had an improvement on the iron sights, but does it help with 4x ACOG Scoope and seeing other players 40 meters away? Please reply, it would be a deal breaker for me if it would not improve it and would have to pass till the next HMD. Thanks

[@adriankanis8107]

I like your review. I’m still waiting for my one to arrive. Do you think the 1070 or 1080 will work well with this new Pro? Cheers

[@GYGOtv]

Do eye glasses have a little more room than the original Vive? I had to buy a slimmer pair of glasses just to fit well in the original Vive but the lenses are smaller (larger glasses hurt the ears and were a little to wide to stay comfortable for long). Do larger glasses fit better in the Pro?

[@johnwilson7680]

Great review. I think the lens’ godrays push me into the not buy group. I appreciate you mentioning it. Please tell me that’s not a balance bracelet.

[@poptart1979]

thanks for covering the USB issue. i'll definitely be jerry-rigging some type of USB unit to keep the vive n'chill working :D

[@Ammothief41]

How are the lenses? Are they the same fresnel lenses as the original? I like the rift lenses much better so if its closer to that then I'd consider it an improvement.

[@FlameSoulis]

Regarding comfort, is it more or less like when you grab one of the VR cover replacements? I had that effect with the DK2, so I'm curious if it's about the same with the Vive Pro in comparison to the Vive. Also, have they improved the microphone? It was pretty trash and I end up using a modmic with a USB soundcard to get around the walkie talky quality. Glad they didn't toss the USB port per your updated comment (still have my USB cable for my DK2 and Leapmotion, so no big deal either way).

[@Emma-kz3zr]

More info on the performance hit, via Robo Recall, Fallout 4, arkita, valkyrie, lone echo, etc. General scaling, etc.

[@suncity803]

should be an ipgrade option for owners of the original Vive to upgrade to pro for the difference of the balance.

[@chickengod100]

Is it heavy to wear on your head for a long time? After what time, the neck muscles are tired? What do you think, is it possible to make the helmet lighter by 200 grams?

[@failfailwin8827]

How's the mic? is it higher quality? how does the noise cancellation work, does it cancel outside noise for the headphones or is it used to clear up the mic sound? I'm hoping it'll be good enough to get a better experience with voiceattack without resorting to external headphones, which are a clumsy pain...

[@iamgort70]

I'm jumping into VR for first time this year. It between the Vive Pro and the Pimax 8k at this stage. I'm having new eye lenses installed in my eyes in the next ten days so I never have to bother with glasses anymore!!. I'm travelling to the USA in May can these be purchased Duty Free?

[@computethisinfo]

Would you still reccomend the original vive? I can afford the £499 price of the original however I can't afford the £1300 of the pro set. And I'd likely stick with just the strap for a good while instead of the audio strap. But I've tested the vive once for about 5 minutes and loved it. I was just limited to a short time. I do have very little room however but I'll make it work.

[@jimcole5359]

Looking forward to hearing about how the experience for people that wear glasses is now. The gen 1 was not great for me so maybe I will enjoy this one more.

[@ParadiseDecay]

Great video and review, cheers m8!

[@boba_rhett]

Great review! I've got a Rift, but I've had my eye on this one. Starting to save now. Also...new sub!

[@gardini100]

i think i go for the ocolus rift and just super sample it ..i think they have way better Controllers ..and With 3 base stations the tracking gone be just fine .

[@ComdrStew]

When the price of the Vive Pro came out Pimax went, Whew! Pimax is now on track to overtake HTC and Oculus. After this I will not buy another HTC product I will go with either the Pimax, next gen Oculus, or even the Samsung Odyssey which has the same screens, lens, and resolution as the Vive Pro.

[@johntheux9238]

What about the tracking with others headsets? The vive used laser triangulation.

[@johnbrown9181]

@John theux The Rift uses computer vision from two or three (sometimes four) external cameras, named Constellation. When properly configured it has the same tracking accuracy as the HTC Vive. Windows MR tracking uses internal cameras to detect movement. From what I've heard, it isn't as good as Constellation or Lighthouse.

[@ComdrStew]

My son has the Dell and you can not tell any difference on the head tracking the difference is in the controllers. The controllers has to be in front of the cameras to be tracked correctly but it does track for about 5-10 sec when not in front of the cameras. Lighting is very important on the WMR, too much or too little will mess with the controller tracking. My son has tracking problems in his room because his ceiling fan is right above him but when I use his headset in my space the tracking is about 90% as good as the Vive it still messes up now and then. What the controllers need is a camera in them also to track the world around them just like the headset. The big thing with the price of the Vive Pro is looking at the next gen headsets if HTC is selling a stand alone headset for $799 what will the Vive 2 be priced at $1199? This headset should have been $399-$499 and to me is only worth that amount.

[@Ozzianman]

Got my Windows MR headset yesterday. So far tracking has been really good. Really good not having to set up sensors to have controller tracking, because the places I can set them up is limited.

[@tredog2832]

@tribal if you would do me a favor and get in elite dangerous in v1 and v2 and report back. The v1 and oculus are not good enough for true gameplay and the only reason i would get this is if the text ui and ships are easy to see now...

[@TribalInstincts]

On It!

[@Biohazzard3k]

Yeah dude, would be good to hear your feedback on that.

[@pjforster]

Elite is a good choice due to the high contrasts between the light and darkness of space and the readability of text. Still think I'll get one though.

[@nodoubt1616]

TribalInstincts yeah please checkout elite dangerous!! I’m curious too on performance with the increased resolution

[@GYGOtv]

Very Interested in Elite as well!!! one of my favorite VR games and the increase in resolution might be ideal for getting Elite to the next level!

[@pentiumradeon]

this should have come with the wireless functionality built in for the price and no peripherals included. It is obvious why nothing came in the box. They don't want barely used vives taking up the majority of the market share.

[@EinkOLED]

Please give barnecules nerdgasm a demo (without the previous sweat damage). He is what got me interested in VR with his reactions.

[@S3NTRY]

Great video, thanks. Would be awesome if you could take a look at car/flight sims (eg DCS/IL2) and see how the added resolution affects legibility of dials and spotting distances for track markers and other aircraft.

[@santalaszlo2452]

S3N7RY This is what I am interested in.

[@theoracleprodigy]

I have the Samsung hmd (same screen) and it's awesome for car sims. The only down side is that you get less frames which can cause issues. I have a 1080ti and it struggles in project cars 2. Still I have a lot of settings fairly high. Assetto Corsa looks amazing and yet it tends to get me motion sick. So I think frame rate are suffering, but visually it's awesome. I would think you could turn the graphics to a lower level to get good frames and minimize the issues. The contrast, colors and resolution are by far better than any other headset. Either way I have switched to this headset for sims and my oculus sits on a different computer.

[@S3NTRY]

Sandy Jenkins good post. Thanks!

[@movement1957]

The biggest difference I ever saw between my rift and odyssey was pimordian. Try that game to see a big difference

[@johntheux9238]

What about the tracking with the odyssey? The vive used laser triangulation.

[@movement1957]

John theux I'm talking about how he says the screen is ssssssoooooo much better, cause it's not. Nothing about the tracking . And not it don't use anything cause all u get is a hmu

[@stephanied6014]

Thanks for the quick review of the headset. I'll be honest I pre-ordered the Vive Pro ($1050 here in Canada) and I'm going back and forth if I should cancel. My main reason for the purchase was the bump in resolution. Do you think that is enough to justify the purchase? Is it that noticeable or is it something you barely notice? A little disappointed to hear the audio isn't a huge improvement as that was the main feature they seemed to push on the headset. I got 1 week to finalise my decision....

[@sneakysquirrel1990]

Stephanie D if you can wait I think they will release a whole 2.0 version kit later in the year, prob a small price drop then as well ( I hope)

[@stephanied6014]

Hmm ya that's what I was thinking to. I have a feeling there is bigger things going on. I think HTC knows Valve is releasing their knuckles controllers sometime this year and they also make the tracking. So instead of trying to compete, HTC is just going to be making the headsets and bundling them with either their original controllers (wands) or with the upcoming valve knuckles. It's too odd of them to be so quiet on the details here and the fact they did no innovation to the controllers on this refresh.

[@Art-Sin]

Vive 1.5. I suppose if you're a current Vive owner and have enough spare cash. But I'll stick with my Rift and wait until Rift 2 (and the stack of Oculus studio AAA games around it's launch late next year).

[@rzc0624]

Kind of bummed that I know there's an improvement out there to my gen 1 Vive that I'll never buy, but I don't think those improvements justify spending another 800, especially since my Vive gen 1 is only a little over a year and a half old. I'll just wait for gen 3 to upgrade, especially if they can solve the screen door effect and god rays.

[@JohnOverholt]

for your fans, usb extender plus small usb battery, can you manage the cable with what's on the device?

[@fr3zer677]

Is there a difference between the Vive pro and the Vive when turning on the pass through camera? Is the picture of the outside world 3D?

[@TheDoughnut157]

nice vid . ive got the money but just cant pull trigger on this one.....sicking i need it for my t300 and ac....and onward of course.

[@LokiCDK]

RE: Breakout box, not a Vive owner, but would it be possible to securely attach a good extended lead from the PC and clip the breakout box to your belt somehow?

[@Inojer]

The extra padding looks very similair to the transmitter for cordless connection? Is it possible that you replace the padding for that?

[@Ablayz]

How long is the cable on the Vive Pro compared to the Vive?

[@rickwhelan1771]

@TribalInstincts, how about talking about the elephant in the room? The price and your opinion on if it's worth $799 USD?

[@Gaudrix]

I think we are going to get foveated rendering in a year or two and at the point will be able to bump up resolution even farther. I am going to keep holding onto the Gen 1 until something better releases. Also controllers drastically need upgrades, vive's suite coming out with Gen 1.5 is no better than Gen 1. The trackpads just can't hold up to the heavy use, analogs are better although they aren't good for intuitive menus. We need a cross between a tracked glove and a controller.

[@longhaireddave1644]

Shame about the lack of USB port, but I would guess that if the wireless setup runs of a USB battery bank, the vive n chill should be able to attach to that, as they usually come with 2 USB ports. Keep up the great work Tribal, I watched your unboxing and was soo jealous.

[@cr4zyw3ld3r]

but the original vive could move back and forth too, it was just more of a PITA to do it.

[@steinarne79]

Question, There is no difference on the new bases and nunchucks from the old one? As in, is there any reason to buy the full package when you got Vive one?

[@ge2719]

steinarne79 there is no full package

[@learningguitarwithkev7945]

a lot of vr users are vr sim gamers so my question is how is it in sims like project cars 2 il2 BOS and dcs and what setting do you need to get smooth game play and what is it like compared to the Samsung oddesy since they both have the same screens but the Samsung is 400 not 800 plus like the pro

[@iliketurtles7947]

Use your influence to convince HTC to give SweViver a free Pro. Dude deserves it.

[@Scamdemic]

Damn, they did away with the extra USB port? I use an external MIC sticky padded on the front of my Vive 1 which sounds a hell of a lot better than the built in MIC. Would be nice to hear the MIC on the Vive PRO although I can't justify the price :-/ EDIT: Oh, there's a USB-C port?

[@NaturalAnarchist]

2:24 I remember the video you and Barnacules did where he sweated profusely and destroyed your vive. He then gave you his headset, IF i recall right.

[@LuisClement]

Hello, great thanks, any chance to see how it will behave in Fallout 4 VR?

[@troublehoff]

Please try Project Cars 2 TribalInstincts. It's a massive GPU killer. I'd be interested to see how far below 1.0 you have to drop supersampling to maintain 90fps on a GTX 1080. I think a lot of the sim racing community would also be very interested to know how much better you can see distance markers and corner apexes. Would definitely appeal to the pcars subreddit.

[@HybridEnergy]

Can you play Fallout 4 VR ? Tribal, is there anyway you can reach out to this HTC individual on behalf of SweViver. I'm puzzled why he, with 11k subs and people watching him...with him primarily being a VIVE user (even wears their shirts in the vids lol) would not be offered a free advertising unit too.

[@Mark-bl2pr]

I was also disappointed SweViver didn't get one. Personally, Tribal and SweViver are my two favorite VR KZbinrs.

[@N8riz]

I like your reviews. You try to be very unbiased. I have been subscribed for awhile now and continue to look forward to your quality of future reviews.

[@MusicByNumbersUK]

Nice first impressions! :) I don't think I've seen you play racing or flying sims but if you have project cars 2 or elite dangerous, it would be great to get your reaction to how much a difference the vive Pro makes there. :) especially with distant cars in pc2.

[@hidekinguyen1286]

Hi im really interested how the vive pro compares to the the vive for brightness and contrast. The vive pro seems to use the same screens as the Odessey, and from reviews the Odesseys screen its less bright. Is that the case with vive vs pro? Also does the contrast compare? Usually an increase in resolution = more contrast. Thank you!

[@Aldha_]

I heard that there's a hidden usbC in there, couldn't you just use a small usbc-to-usb and connect it to the Vive-and-chill? And for the cable, could you please tell me if it's longer than the previous vive?

[@jSkaffaa]

Gotta agree with everyone else, $800 for only the headset is just insane. If they through in the next gen controllers and sensors, then it would make sense.

[@harrykuvert6085]

how is the native resolution vs supersampled resolution in the regular VIVE?

[@brandon9271]

Harry Kuvert not as good.. Because you can supersample the Vive Pro too ;)

[@harrykuvert6085]

Sure but it all comes down to what your computer can handle ;)

[@TheNexusLord]

Harry Kuvert Native resolution, will always beat out supersampling to a lower resolution. Supersampling, is running the content at a higher resolution, than the display can display natively, then using that better picture to downscale to the lower resolution the display can actually show. Better to run at that higher resolution, and then display that higher resolution natively.

[@ge2719]

Id be more interested to know if super sampling on the pro makes much difference at all.

[@Cthulhuman]

How is the dual cameras? Does it add an additional functionality?

[@Puppetsinmyhead]

Just got the strap. I’ll be ready for version 3.

[@JohnShewbrook]

There is no way those headphones totally covered your ears unless you folded them to squeeze them inside the cups. They’re on ear design surely?

[@WicariWoW]

What about the mic? Sadly the mic on the gen 1 is ass, any improvements there ?

[@greenmarin3]

Definitely going to hold off at that price. Really thought HTC would award early adopters with a reduced price/trade in ability. Will probably pull the trigger on a real Gen 2.0 around the same time I update my rig, Same way I did it when I purchased the V1. My PC kicks ass but 800 bucks for this? No thanks.

[@tomw1605]

looks good, can't wait to see more. shame about the usb port. you can get some pretty small phone battery packs that u could strap on and a doubt the vive n chill uses much power.

[@xychogaming]

I am a bit confused why people are complaining so much about the price...its like they just got into gaming or something. premium costs more

[@UnidentifiedAerialPhenomena0]

$800 incl. lighthouses and the Haptic Gloves and im in

[@DorothyJeanThompson]

Have u tried your TPcast with this????