Vivek Ramaswamy Has a Different Vision for Trumpism From JD Vance

[@shaunarmstrong8594]

Regardless of whether you agree with Vivek or not, how often do you see aspiring political leaders operating at this intellectual level?

[@RaymondHulha]

This

[@jonoaks9834]

I don’t really care about how much someone tries to intellectualize their agenda if their agenda has insane consequences regardless of the justification

[@humanperson8418]

@@jonoaks9834 Do you want to have an intellectual discussion about why you disagree are just descend into insults?

[@jonoaks9834]

@@humanperson8418 We could, but that’s not what the comment I replied to is about. They implied that everyone has to admire intellectualism no matter what it’s being used to justify. I gave an argument against that.

[@shantmelkonian4548]

@@jonoaks9834who’s really the radical here

[@an-opinion]

Vivek is insanely intelligent, articulate and grounded. If he ever finds success, it’ll will be his own and no one gave him a “opportunity” like Vance/Kamala/Biden. He represents us in our more vulnerable situations. Hopefully we succeed.

[@GMunoz-oj5zb]

He's another maga cultist just like you

[@KumalaADumBSloot]

​@@GMunoz-oj5zb no hes a self made billionaire that started his own companies and never joined anyones anything.

[@pva527]

Yup.. He has the founding father “gene”. Entire thought process is about America’s founding ideals and reviving them.

[@lawumun]

@@pva527 yet don’t you see the IRONY there???….why is THIS brown skinned man allowed….and others facing deportation???….they said documented OR undocumented…no one is safe….founding fathers🤦🏼‍♀️…hahaha

[@FazeParticles]

@@pva527yup. Very attractive and exciting to listen to.

[@AgentBitcoin]

As a lifelong democrat voter, I have to admit Vivek comes off as a refreshingly thoughtful and principled voice among the conservative movement, and seems to be driven by genuine and honest intentions to help shape the future of the country for the better. I appreciate that he engages in good-faith with people and communities that disagree with him in order to promote respectful and nuanced conversations that frankly aren't happening enough. I would like to see more content like this.

[@FullmetalSP1]

“Democrat voter” - Sure you are, Chief.

[@AgentBitcoin]

@@FullmetalSP1 lol not sure what you want from me here, but you are welcome to believe whatever your small, closed-mind wants to believe my friend.

[@FullmetalSP1]

@@AgentBitcoin What are you angry about? Clearly you have always voted for the Democrat Party.

[@AgentBitcoin]

@@FullmetalSP1 I’m neither mad nor remotely concerned with what you believe about my voting history. I am curious about what part of what I said triggered you so much, but I don’t think I’d get an honest or intelligent answer from you, so I’m just gonna let you go on your way and enjoy your life.

[@FullmetalSP1]

@ Amazing. Thank You! Be sure to comment on more posts about your support for the Democrat Party.

[@dumpsterlures]

Vivek is more "American" than I am... and I'm a white guy from Indiana lol. He is everything America should want as a president. We Americans need to look at these candidates like they're applying for a job....and you are in charge of hiring them to run your business (U.S.A.). Imagine out of the all the people "applying" for prez in 2024, you didn't hire Vivek............. I really hope I get to vote for him in 2028.

[@BabuParthasarathy]

Nobody has ever described the job of a voter the way you did. Voters are recruiters recruiting a candidate for a 40 T USD firm. The stakes are really high to captain this huge ship. It competency that matters. Every trait be it integrity or intelligence is competency to me and if the person be able to steer the ship. If I were owning stocks of this company Trust me I would nt leave it to zombie who has problems with spatial awareness

[@hobojungle1]

Amen.

[@realestatecoachestv]

You’re an European American! Being white doesn’t make you American,being an Indian American is the original American

[@kelvintran7369]

Agree

[@FAMEROB]

@@realestatecoachestv being born in America makes you American

[@ravishingravi]

Partisan comments here don't do justice to what we witnessed here. Respectful and rigorous testing of ideas with two people who have deeply read and thought their world view. This is not a left vs right. This was a search to find the answers "together" while not being wholly onboard. Unfortunately this kind of discussion is not catering mass of zombies engaged in tribalism and virtue signalling. I really appreciate that we see some quality discourse such as this that doesn't cater to the lowest common denominator

[@Klasenss]

Totally agree. I think Vivek was a little esoteric at times, but this is the kind of conversation I want to listen to. Whatever partisan lean one has, it's a mistake to assume the other 50% of people are dumb and misinformed.

[@Argozolin]

What exactly are Vivek's ideas? Can you describe them for me? And (if not to save political face) why is he engaged in so many Trump apologetics?

[@ogamikedirects]

@@Argozolinwhole video is about that. To use phrases: - America first (so pretty nationalist at heart with a strong emphasis on American interest, but definitely not a nativist obviously or he’d be arguing against his own parents lol) - Anti Interventionist (more pro strategic alliance and not quite isolationist but one could argue he often comes off as naive on foreign policy) - Anti illegal immigration - Extremely anti bureaucracy - Very capitalist (anti crony capitalism) - Coming around to Trump’s policy on Tariffs, especially when it comes to using tariffs as leverage in negotiations with other countries Im probably missing something but that’s the core of what I’m gathering

[@nathancole6959]

@@Argozolinthat is a question I often wonder myself. Ezra touched on it at one point in the conversation where he said that it feels like Vivek and others “ideologize” Trumpism. I think the intelligent people like Vance and Ramaswamy understand that Trump isn’t a man of ideas, that he’s more of a symbol. They know they have to back him in order to gain political traction. Once Trump is gone, I hope we’ll return to civility and intelligent exploration of ideas like we see here-not the demagoguery that’s poisoned our politics over the last decade.

[@lionsprofit]

You get the best sum up comment cake

[@SyringeSem]

Imagine if all presidential candidates were capable of discussions like this.

[@literalmountgod]

Vivek is the future of the republican party. Vivek 2028!

[@Jablicek]

Once upon a time they were; it meant they not only had ideas they'd thought through, but were able to communicate those ideas in a persuasive manner.

[@Bertinator-nm9ld]

@@literalmountgod Do you think MAGA would accept someone with his ethnic and religious background?

[@Bertinator-nm9ld]

@@Jablicek And then Trump discovered that no one really cares about policy. They just want to feel like they have an attack dog on their side

[@raptor10001]

@@Bertinator-nm9ldthe current “MAGA” demographics seem to suggest they do

[@charlescurtis6321]

Referring to illegal immigration as penetration without “consent” is genius

[@Tripod101-p9y]

What an unironically poetic way of describing rape of your motherland

[@FazeParticles]

Fantastic word play.

[@MindbodyMedic]

It's societal rape on many levels.

[@bobpurcell8357]

Should help the Republicans get comfortable with it 😏 We were all thinkin' it, I just said it...

[@mojojojo01.]

it's not illegal immigration, it's illegal migration. immigration implies legality.

[@EdgeLoopGaming]

Vivek is brilliant, and it was interesting to see him challenged here. I think he did a great job defending his views, and Ezra did a great job challenging him.

[@quippurb]

I thought his policies looked pretty bad as soon as he was asked about specifics. Ezra's point about gutting the government ("75% at least to the headcount on day one") just means there's no one to actually process any of the millions of requests and approvals that are required to keep the country functioning, stumped him. The reality is that an insane amount of private companies would now be gridlocked. Vivek described this "not a thing is going to change for the worse," and described a weak plan to include constitutional lawyers in each agency that would decide which regulations should stay and go? This would take literally years. So unless he's just talking with complete bluster and exaggeration about a 75% reduction in head count on day one, he will have caused years of business stagnation.

[@mangeshjoshi5447]

​ @quippurb //This would take literally years. So unless he's just talking with complete bluster and exaggeration about a 75% reduction in head count on day one...// It is clear to me that you don't understand the difference between rescinding unconstitutional regulations (which may "take years") and a headcount reduction on day one. Vivek made a clear distinction, not just in this video but also in the past when talking about these issues.

[@quippurb]

@@mangeshjoshi5447 Happy to hear your explanation for how he would rescind these rules and regulations while firing 75% of the Government workers who know how they work and process them on the other side.

[@mangeshjoshi5447]

@quippurb Firing 75 percent of the bureaucrats has nothing to do with rescinding the regulations that congress did not pass. One is not contingent on the other. The regulations remain irrespective of the headcount. Then the individual regulations themselves can be judged, case by case, to see if each meets the test of the Constitution. The unconstitutional ones can be rescinded without the Congress, because those were never passed by the congress. That's the explanation.

[@vvee4725]

@@quippurb Every government organization has itself its own self-interest. It is NOT some independent ideal that some imagine it to be. It made of PEOPLE that are biased, have industry connections, have their own shortcomings, etc. Real reform does not take years, it is very quick. This is the case for all historic organizational/governmental reforms. If that's not happening you're not really reforming.

[@sams00007]

Seriously love Vivek for his energy, integrity, intelligence and his honesty!!

[@PetePineda]

Wow. Such a great interview. I’m so glad I saw it. The back and forth. Probing and answering. All respectful. We need more of that

[@humanperson8418]

I do love the peaceful, 'cross the isle' interviews.

[@jigarp999]

Brilliant conversation. The beauty of it was that both parties were genuinely interested in having a conversation and understanding each other’s view rather than looking for an opportunity to create a “gotcha” moment. Kudos!

[@tinh_lai_ivietnam5253]

Even Democrat has to respect Vivek Ramaswamy. He comes very straight forward and 100% for the future of The USA. I am grateful to be alive at this time of the history of The USA. Politician likes Vivek Ramaswamy is rare for century. The USA needs to put aside the differences to promote a candidate for the benefit of the country. Vivek Ramaswamy has a pure heart. American needs to push hi to the front line for the big job next term. I am sure even Democrat has to love him some way.

[@sabinereynaudsf]

He is a corporatists. He wants to only admit immigrants who speak English, which will favor Indians.

[@tinh_lai_ivietnam5253]

@@sabinereynaudsf Your narrow mind doesn't see European, especially Eastern European, Hong Kong, Taiwan, Singaporean speak English much better than Indian. If he wants to cut cost and reduce society problems due to language barrier, that is not a bad thing at all.

[@whodat9198]

​@tinh_lai_ivietnam5253 you preach it my Viet sister!! Don't listen to that white female leftist, they are always the most deluded and crazy of all of them. Peace!!

[@squal6216]

he wanted to raise the voting age to 25 without taking a test - no thanks

[@SputnikCrisis]

He is literally the definition of pulling up the ladder behind him. No respect for someone so selfish and greedy, someone who would leave America a wasteland as long as he and his friends get richer.

[@uttscharlesbagley501]

I have never voted for a Republican in my 76 years but I can really relate to Vivek: he is everything that Trump is not: personable, self made businessman, brilliant thoughtful deep thinking and strong personal values.

[@jasperwinter8993]

Trump is those things.. you just hate him

[@silverfox389]

@@jasperwinter8993 ?

[@shouryarathore7434]

​@@jasperwinter8993 trump was handed 400 million dollars worth of a business on a silver platter from his daddy. He is not a self made businessman. Whatever happened to Trump's casinos? Or Trump University? Or Trump Vodka? Or Trump Mortgage? Most of the business he himself started ended up failing. A business genius, he is NOT! The man started out with inherited wealth and still managed to go bankrupt 6 times.

[@xarbinchaoticneutral1785]

@@jasperwinter8993 what deep ideologies has Trump ever espoused? Can you link any video where Trump espouses deep ideological values? Please link. Also how is Trump self made? I was given money and connections for his business in real-estate, which is notorious for its reliance on established connections. Listen you can like Trump but you can like him despite not being self made or eloquent. He was elected due to his boisterousness

[@shouryarathore7434]

​@@jasperwinter8993 trump is not a self made businessman,he was handed 400 million dollars by his rich daddy.

[@lukecresante]

I think Ezra is helping get the most out of Vivek here. Vivek is fantastic on his own but this is the sort of contrast I have not heard from him yet.

[@davidanderson6055]

Ezra is giving some good challenges. Halfway through and its a great convo

[@julianholman7379]

nicely observed

[@gopalramanathan7062]

Easily one of most absorbing and brilliant conversations. Vivek is bound to impact America historically.

[@jigarp999]

The fact that this video has less than 3k likes at 10 day mark proves that most people are not interested in intellectual conversation but just memes and 5 seconds clips.

[@fizzbrew]

People are muppets

[@charlesco7413]

It's perhaps because this is the New York Times (liberal leaning), and most views are here for Vivek. So the libs don't hit like because of Vivek. And the MAGA don't hit like because of the Times.

[@india3572]

Peoples are interested to listen white skin politicians 😂

[@Morgan-ed7js]

You’re using legacy media as your one and only sample. New media is where you’ll find the big numbers

[@HarryPainter]

NYT podcasts get no views in general actually

[@miguelsramon4702]

Here are my two cents as an independent, Vivek is too good and superior to be somone's running mate, i have studied all the conservative leaders to today and nobody stacks up to Vivek Ramaswamy, there are some good ones including Vance but they are good in regular and ordinary way, whereas Vivek is good in an insanely extraordinary way , He is simply a super gifted and special breed of intelligence , I would suggest conservatives to push him as the Nominee in 2028, dont make this a missed opportunity

[@ashwinpawar5325]

He won't make it next time as well. Vance will be the front runner. He ll have Trump's endorsement probably so the Maga base will jus vote for him. Also Christian faith is very imp for conservatives. Vivek is hindu so that ll turn off a lot of voters just like it did this time

[@aesop1451]

Okay "Miguel Ramon." We know why you want Vivek to be President.

[@MeanBeanComedy]

I agree.

[@MeanBeanComedy]

​@@ashwinpawar5325 He's monotheistic Hindu, though, which helps a bit.

[@IndoManiac90]

​@@ashwinpawar5325 yeah true, Vivek is vastly superior to Vance in every way, but since JD is white and Christian they will be very biased towards him

[@andyrosa1470]

Brilliant work from Ezra and his team. Came prepared, framed the conversation perfectly, made space and took space strategically. Masterclass in how to interview someone you disagree with.

[@kafiruddinmulhiddeen2386]

If your goal is to win arguments you can convince yourself of a win no matter what happens. The left has lost its way.

[@justgivemethetruth]

But you have to listen carefully for about an hour and a half to get that - and how many people actually do that, or are even capable of doing that?

[@aminb9204]

@@justgivemethetruth I think Ezra Klein Show listeners are. :)

[@andyrosa1470]

@@justgivemethetruth Ezra sons Vivek in the first 20 min. But I think I understand your point, but what can I say? Our internet maligned attention spans are too short to engage with meaningful dialogue? Maybe for some, hell maybe many or even most, but not for me.

[@vinista256]

@@andyrosa1470 can you translate that into English, please?

[@IndoManiac90]

Vivek is vastly superior to both JD Vance and Trump

[@farzana6676]

He's very smart, but his position on immigration is not as strong as it should be.

[@anuj_s_world]

There are many people like Anna Coulter who won't vote for him because his parents are Indian. He probably would have won if he ran as a democrat.

[@christhetanman2639]

I think it’s tough for a libertarian to be strong on immigration because open borders are a big part of libertarian thinking. However, our economy is already so socialistic that it makes unchecked immigration disastrous. If the U.S. was still a Wild West of sink or swim all on your own, immigration wouldn’t matter so much. But because of things like public schooling, public housing, and emergency rooms being used in place of having a primary care doctor; that kind of libertarian ideal just isn’t feasible.

[@SK-om6tt]

He certainly is. Altho, imv, he needs to drop the idea of touching the entitlement state. He won’t win an election, if he doesn’t. Gotta be pragmatic.

[@prospectbasement6723]

To me, Vivek is the perfect candidate for a much needed Republican/Conservative rebranding. I wanted Vivek as Trump's VP, but after watching more of Vance, I think he's an excellent pick. I like them both: sharp, patient, cool headed, young - these are all qualities that the left have criticized the right for not projecting. I think moderates, independents, disenfranchised democrats can all look at this modern conservative movement as good things.

[@ottofrinta7115]

I've been following Vivek for some time and the tragic thing is this: This man is everything that the Republican party should be, but is not. In sense of following the original ideology of the founding fathers this brown guy with Indian roots is more American than almost any American. He is an intellectual, a polyglot, jsut liek they were, but those days are long and irreversibly gone. The more popular, populist, simplistic messaging will win.

[@quitefranklysamanthatheres1018]

I think of alot of maga voters are - but the party isn’t as fast as we are to these principles- this is more where the voting base is more or less. At least the more libertarian ones

[@FimiliarGalaxy9]

If he’s a leading man within the party, how is he not reflective of the party?

[@webb4Brevard]

Trump's Dream Team member Vivek is fabulously articulate, with such a deep understanding of how to solve problems.

[@juvwon]

A few people do not really seem to understand, how well Vivek did in this wonderful podcast, the host is a very very intelligent methodical and prepped guy, I have heard in a while. Him amd his team did sn excellent job in researching and niting doen questions, with follow up yp questions and follow up questions, which tested the conviction and broad thought of Vivek, to see if his policies and views, are just something he read or copied of someone. It was a superb and teachable moment, how each person doubled down on their thoughts and convictions. It was an enjoyable watch, mind and thought expanding, it went deeper into the pros and possible cons, of Viveks policies. It was 👌

[@danielromerosol4158]

He is a conman and liar. Why does anybody take his libertarian ideas seriously is beyond me. He is only working for his rich patrons. Another demagog, nothing new.

[@thomasaquinas399]

Loved this interview. Thank you for keeping Vivek honest and forcing him to clearly state his opinion because sometimes he tends to talk around a topic and not directly answer the question. I learned more about him as a result of listening to this interview.

[@brownjatt21]

Think you need to watch more interviews from him. He goes to into incredible detail on anything asked as long as there's enough time for it, definitely doesn't dance around questions. He could have easily given longer answers if the interview was an hour longer.

[@thomasaquinas399]

@@brownjatt21 I've watched plenty of interviews of his. I'm a fan. It wasn't a matter of a longer answer, it was a matter of him directly answering the question.

[@alexchin3816]

I think its more that its hard to give a short direct answer because politics is all soundbites and his messages can be taken out of context if the answer isn’t fully explained

[@andrewrai5752]

One of the greatest minds of our century

[@wokefurby2497]

I know, Ezra Klein is insanely smart. Vivek on the other hand is intelligent but delusional and just really good at bending counterfactuals to somehow still fit his worldview.

[@ace625]

It seems to me that the majority of MAGA is not sold on Vivek's idea that American identity is about adherence to ideals and not heritage, race or religion. And when confronted with this, as in the instance with Coulter, he rationalizes her obvious bigotry. I like Vivek's intellectual approach to politics but this is some classic Greek tragedy stuff. If he ever steps a foot wrong, MAGA will not give him the benefit of the doubt.

[@prasvasu4217]

On point!

[@michael_stefanko]

Agreed. Smart and informed guy, but entirely unrepresentative of the movement he claims to be apart of.

[@msvulcanspock]

Vivek has brown skin. He has immigrant parents. These are the people Trump is talking about deporting. MAGAs definitely don't see Vivek as part of their movement. He is the other they despite. He's taking their jobs and riches.

[@Mr.MBarrett]

🎯🎯

[@ssuwandi3240]

He's right esp on the tech side. Great companies like Tesla, eBay, PayPal were pioneered by immigrants who had no more privileges like the Leftist reporters pushed out l Government subsidies l. Elon had the company listed on ONE prototype alone. No lavish ads or factory and for years some would remember he lived poor for over a decade. I know because I bought TSLA IPO because I saw a rare entrepreneurship for a guy like him. I was prepared to lose it btw. Money or race isn't always the driver,I think that's Viviek's points

[@commodore64955]

Good luck to any presidential candidate who will dare to debate Vivek for 2028. Vivek has my vote regardless of his party affiliation

[@Yourmamaspapa]

He win or loose , certainly eat the opponent political career, ate Nikki Haley, part of Ron desantis

[@Me04120]

He actually didn't do too well in the debates. He came off as brash and arrogant. I was telling my parents about how I liked Vivek, but then tuned into the debate and were turned off by him. He doesn't connect to boomers the same way he does to young people. I think he's much stronger in these long form conversations and podcasts than any kind of debate where you get like 1 minute to make a point.

[@hughjass2745]

​@@Me04120he's still relatively young, he'll learn. But at the same time his style is more authentic than any career politician giving vague or irrelevant answers to questions.

[@Me04120]

@@hughjass2745 We'll have to see how he does with DOGE working with Elon. If it's a huge success, maybe he can run for office again. Otherwise it's not terrible if he's just appointed to lead important areas of the government and can make decisions that way without having to worry about playing politics the whole time. I just want him involved in whatever manner allows him to make the biggest difference.

[@TheRealUncensoredTravelGuide]

Great conversation. Peaceful and relaxing. As an Independent, people don't always understand how i can take nuggets from each party and wish they could work together.

[@vibez1095]

I admire Vivek and I truly hope he runs and becomes president in 2028. I do believe he has the capability and ability to do so.

[@luvlivefoods]

Can u imagine Ezra having this discussion with Kamala Harris?

[@manuskumar3379]

Stop making me laugh

[@batman4329]

Her answers would go something like this: I was raised in a middle class household (in Montreal). But Trump … I was raised in a middle class household (in Montreal). But Trump …

[@onlineaccount4549]

Easliy. At least Harris will make sense, instead of claiming that you can filter immigrants and teach americans better civics by having them sit a test when they come in the country and when they leave school.

[@onlineaccount4549]

@@batman4329 Her answers would be: A sensible immigration policy is one that allows employers to get the labour they need, building a robust system of processing claims so they can be turned over rapidly, build up sufficient surveillance close to the border to rapidly pick illegal immigrants and work with Latin American countries to relocate them. We know because its a stated policy position. The right trade policy is to match chinese subsidies in strategically important sectors to make sure they don't undercut american workers and simply make them available to anyone who wants invest in these sectors so they don't distort the market, instead of protectionist tariffs that either promote trade diversion through third parties or distort the market completely by shielding american companies from competition and create opportunities for crony capitalism. Again we know because it is literally in her policy documents that you clearly never read. The fact that people prefer his word Salad compared to the concrete policy goals from the Harris side, is the reason why you have idiot policitians. Idiot, uninformed voters beget idiot uninformed policitians.

[@iaf010]

​@onlineaccount4549 Easily? Hardly. And what didnt make sense? Filtering immigrants is something all successful G7 countries have done - Australia, NZ, pre 2010 Canada, etc. They filter immigrants, means test them and if required even certify their language skills like Germany does. Countries like Denmark, Nederlands even have classroom "culture" classes they need to pass in order to apply for legal right to remain in those countries. The claim that it is not possible to filter inmigrants into the USA is blatantly False. Civics and/or the common interpretation of a national ideology then becomes even more important for native born Americans who live in an immigrant nation founded on ideological principles rather than blood ties, common ethnicity or religious affiliation. What is DEI based pedagogy but an attempt to impose a unified national ideology on native born American citizens?

[@SK-om6tt]

As someone who doesn’t agree with all of his views, I must admit that Vivek is really impressive. It is disgusting that there are ppl like Coulter in this country. Unfortunately for Vivek, the populace of this nation isn’t interested in serious people.

[@enesbala5195]

This was a great interview - really enjoyable. Vivek is a very interesting person.

[@derekposh]

I love how he let Vivek end on that powerful, well-conceptualized note. Bautiful interview, great interviewer with stern pushback and counter arguements.❤

[@mikkoturpeinen5774]

Wow that was a thriller! I haven’t heared this substantive and nuanced political conversation in a long time.

[@KC-dm4jj]

Vivek is an intellectual juggernaut.. a once in a generation candidate... Vivek for 2028!!

[@prometheusrex1]

Yes!!

[@selliott7043]

An intellectual juggernaut that delivers a spagettified word salad justification of a fundamentally racist Trumpian mind-set; this man is prepared to tie himself in knots in distancing himself and distinguishing himself from those that look like himself. Oh, God; the price this man is prepared to pay in order to look himself in the mirror! If citizenship depends on one's knowledge of the constitution, Trump would be the first on the boat!

[@പ്രവാചകൻalഅമിൻ]

Yes

[@ayushsunilshukla]

Yes

[@AdityaDixit-g2f]

yes !!

[@vinista256]

I wonder whether Trump himself could pass the civics exam Vivek speaks of.

[@rotryguy1]

MAN WOMAN PERSON CAMERA TV MORON "" I'm a very stable genius "" Donald Trump

[@London755]

Oh come on. 1000% no.

[@first6969]

Would You Have Any Issue If Trump Passes With Distinction.. Or You Trump To Be Class Topper...?

[@andrewamos3880]

Good chance he would score higher than most of us lol

[@rotryguy1]

@andrewamos3880 You just flunked the first question on the test. #1 question. Can Donald Trump pass this test.

[@martimmcosta6429]

Ramaswamy is the great example of an extremely smart and interesting person with clear and articulated arguments that make sense and that I can respect. I just fundamentally disagree with his world view and his vision for society. A great podcast Ezra, thanks.

[@dawnfmEnthusiast]

These in person video conversations are so much better than audio only.

[@evanwilliams4532]

I'm 100% voting Vivek in 2028

[@prometheusrex1]

Same

[@msvulcanspock]

If Vivek hasn't been deported as described in Project 2025.

[@commonman5528]

@@msvulcanspockracist

[@GMunoz-oj5zb]

And most of the country wont

[@aesop1451]

@@msvulcanspock Uh hello, based department?

[@ytjoemoore94]

Kudos for giving Vivek space to express his ideas. It was actually really helpful. I think I came away with a better opinion of him then his party

[@ChínhChị-ChínhM-s9e]

Beautiful brains in display. America is so blessed.

[@MattyV001]

So let’s ignore what Trump says he’s gonna do and just trust that he will always do the right thing?? That’s a pretty convenient argument.

[@silvereaper1]

You are naive and no nothing of operating in an environment of incomplete information. Negotiation is a thing. You are very stupid. Please adjust the way you live you life to accommodate this fact.

[@justgivemethetruth]

VR just totally disgusts me.

[@Pickwilliams]

@@silvereaper1 "no nothing"

[@MSA-uj7cp]

You are racist for saying that.

[@Bertinator-nm9ld]

​@@silvereaper1So what are we supposed to do in situations of incomplete information? Should we just trust that the "dear leader" will know what's best for us and have our best interests in his heart? I don't know what Trump ever did to convince you guys that he's a fundamentally trustworthy person. How did you come to believe that?

[@uneyedentified2017]

We need more Vivek RAMASWAMY likes in the Republican party. This is the future of our party

[@briandelaney9710]

God help you

[@Digger-Nick]

He's the future. Republicans have insanely strong leadership this time around

[@user-gl8fb8nc9c]

He wants to cut Medicare. I understand reorganizing social security and cutting welfare but Medicare is too far.

[@Shubh_Aryan]

Where he said he wanna cut Medicare?​@@user-gl8fb8nc9c

[@timothybryce1948]

@@user-gl8fb8nc9che wants to cut everything dude. He’s another rich 1%er lmao these people in the comments are cooked.

[@huyngo1466]

Great conversation, love that they’re both not assuming the worst of each other motivations

[@Kbiz178]

That's how a freedom supposed to be - the risk of me being wrong so I may become right again . However modern left and even Right are becoming Doctrine centric. That's death .

[@anankalikote]

As an independent I’m so happy that trump is surrounded by gold and diamonds like Vivek,JD, tulsi,Elon, future of republic party is looking bright and I’m about to enjoy the ride.

[@fndrr42]

Vivek is such a breath of fresh air

[@mirandapillsbury7885]

This was a beautiful and satisfying conversation. The push and pull was not partisan it was out of genuine curiosity to understand the opposing point of view

[@Listman11]

As a kid growing up in Canada, I fell in love with the concept of America. Where there was enough freedom to ensure that hard work would result in success. I’m sickened by what half the country has become.

[@coda-n6u]

I don't agree with the man, but he is good at articulating his view. Thanks Ezra, the convos you've had with leaders of the new conservative movement have really helped me empathize with their perspectives.

[@bulletsandbracelets4140]

This is what worries me tbh. I wish interviews like this actually asked these people to go into the repercussions of the policies they are preaching. What does it look like, in practice, to have a government that prioritizes "America first" and tries to protect our "national identity"? Is that really a small government, or are you just changing out the programs that help people and pumping resources into propaganda, surveillance, and "education"? America's national identity is immigration. So I really struggle to see what identity they want to push that is dependent on limiting or removing immigration altogether. Normalizing this stuff, and letting it just be concepts without actually talking specifics, is a mistake I think. I don't empathize so much with them as the people they claim need to be removed from their vision of America.

[@vinista256]

@@bulletsandbracelets4140 “America’s identity is immigration.” Couldn’t agree with you more. It’s always the new arrivals, falling in love with the freedom, opportunity, and possibilities of this country that rekindle that love in the people already here and keep the country forever young and vibrant. We are like a hunter’s stew or a wine made by the solera process-there’s always a little bit of the original ingredients, but you have to keep adding new stuff.

[@MSA-uj7cp]

@bullets, so it looks like you didn’t listen to certain parts of this interview…. You say immigration is part of the identity of the country and Vivek says he is 100% pro immigration. So there is no problem there. In your small little leftie mind you’ll sometimes conflate illegal and legal immigration….. if that’s what you’re doing g, then that’s your problem not Viveks. If illegal immigration is ‘part of the national identity’ well that needs to change!!!!!!

[@coda-n6u]

@@bulletsandbracelets4140 I mean I really disagree with him, and think that the consequences of lots of his policy ideas would be disastrous. But he did articulate his view well. He has a pretty standard view of immigration held by lots of conservative Asian Americans IMO.

[@MeanBeanComedy]

I appreciate it, too! Most liberals really know almost nothing about right-wing beliefs, and usually opt for the easy "it's just pure *HATE!!*😱😱😱" line we keep seeing (yes, this has been studied--right-wingers understand left-wingers much better than left-wingers understand right-wingers), so it's nice to see people make an effort to at least understand what we believe and why. Cheers, mate! 😎👉🏻👉🏻 Oh, also, some of your friends might hate you for trying to learn about right-wingers. Sorry. 😬

[@WattersWaveYo]

Vivek stating that credit card companies having to be more transparent with their fees inhibits them from being able to conduct business is so revealing. He would never reign in corporations deceptive marketing practices or enhance consumer protections.

[@Saunajallu]

Tbf the credit card example was not his. He gave his rationale and pivoted industries which I inferred as a sort of admittance that credit cards is maybe not the most suitable fit for his general argument.

[@alexdflop]

He makes a structurally similar argument at ~14:00 about Trump’s economic policy - that any assessment we make of the policies he’s floated as a candidate aren’t valid, because misdirection is central to his goal of gaining leverage in negotiations with other countries. It almost makes sense, too, until he says that the metric on which we CAN ascertain his goals is “Trump’s performance in his first term.” This idea of obscure motives being in the interest of anyone other than the person obscuring said motives…it just reminds me of a cryptography principle I came across once, which states that if your cryptogram relies at all upon a would-be codebreaker’s lack of knowledge about the mechanism, then it will definitely be broken.

[@vinista256]

@@WattersWaveYo 1. I agree with you 💯%. 2. The word you want is “rein”. (I only point this out so you can fix it before someone exploits it in a bad-faith effort to find fault with your main point-I’ll be happy to delete my comment afterward.)

[@apoorvswarup]

Lol youd have more competition is what he said, if one of these competitors willingly offered to disclose the rates they would have credible differentiation in the market and would eat up market share of the incumbents

[@yasmineyusuf2890]

@@apoorvswarupFalse. The Conservative Party claims to for the free market capitalism but are opposed to competition. That’s hypocritical.

[@milart12]

I have mixed feelings about Vivek, but he certainly is well spoken

[@MeanBeanComedy]

I hope he grows on you. (Not literally!)

[@dad4378]

​@@MeanBeanComedyyour profile makes this comment even funnier!

[@ElonMuskDailyLife]

the other choice is Gavin Newsome, Kamala, AOC and Biden

[@Rover-h2u]

It's a free country your feeling is your liberty

[@brownjatt21]

​@@MeanBeanComedypause

[@amadeomoable]

Vivek is Brilliant and Truthful

[@editordaniellemarie]

I really applaud, and would like to express my gratitude and appreciation for, your being sitting down with each other and discussing these issues to get to the heart of them , so we the listeners can understand the actual differences -- which gets lost when people are only name-calling and smearing each other. And, you found some common ground too. 💗 This is really inspirational and aspirational; I'm sending to as many as I possibly can. Thank you so much 🙏❤️🤍💙

[@MyNameIsJ3ffrey]

31:35 - this precisely encapsulates what the VAST majority of proponents of right wing populist in America feel. We want people who have a shared interest in the American ethos. A Hong Konger who loves freedom and is willing to stand up to the CCP embodies that ethos. The Left thinks its just about "keeping America White." Its not. It's about ensuring that those who come here are willing to foster the philosophy of freedom that made our country great. I think an Asian Hong Konger is probably a better cultural candidate to immigrate to America than a Russian, who may be wealthy, but doesn't exhibit any sort of shared affinity for things like democracy/freedom of speech/ etc.

[@grigoriipodoksik9296]

Respectfully, why do you believe that Russians coming to America tend to not embody these values? I know many Russians here; the absolute majority of them realize that the reasons they had to leave ultimately stems from autocracy and corruption, and, especially in the later years, lack of freedom of speech. And I am yet to encounter a person who moved to America of any ethnicity who does not prefer democracy. The problem with Vivek's argument is alleging that there are some ethnicities, or even significant numbers of people, who come to America and do not value democracy, freedom of speech or economic meritocracy. It's not that such people don't exist, but there are places that are much easier to move and don't build their entire appeal on it. Moving to America is much harder (both bureaucratically and financially) than to most other developed countries; people who do it are usually very meritocratically minded, very supportive of all sorts of freedoms, democracy and capitalism because outside of America. Somebody who does not care too much about freedom of speech could go to UAE or Qatar; somebody who is leaning left economically would much more easily move to Western Europe over the U.S., etc. The further complexity of this view of immigration that Ezra was trying to get Vivek to open out about is that when it gets to implementing this, what these values are will ultimately be chosen by politicians who, at best, represent somewhere close to half of the U.S. and are extremely far from the other near-half in their vision of what makes America American. The current system selects people based on a wide range of factors: wealth, skills, language (to an extent), a list is long, but not on values. I'd really hope that the elected politicians do not bring their worldview into this and rather it balance out somewhere in the middle. Regardless, it's very refreshing to listen/participate in a civil debate about a controversial idea. Thanks to the reporter and the guest for providing this opportunity

[@timothybryce1948]

Buddy I hate to break it to you but that is the exact same thing. Crossing out “white Europeans” and replacing it with “people who exhibit exemplary American ethos” doesn’t mean anything. Everyone knows you mean white people still, you are not fooling anyone. The best part about this is that people like you NEVER aeticulate what a “proper” American ethos even is. Does it mean you are pro-public lands? Does it mean you are pro-immigration? Does it mean you are pro-free speech? Does it mean you are pro-Indigenous? Because I sincerely doubt someone who would fit into this would be someone YOU consider to be an exemplary American.

[@timothybryce1948]

You have to admit to yourself that this country and its culture was BUILT OFF of immigration, not added onto it with immigration. We speak English because of the first European immigrants that settled here, not a multitude of Native dialects. We dress in certain clothes because that’s how European immigrants dressed. We can’t create some bullshit line in the sand and decide “this here is when we become American.” We are and will ALWAYS be a fluid country. Did you know that the white American population falls by over 600,000 every single year? Soon enough there will be more Hispanic children being born than white children. Does that mean we will end up speaking Spanish? We are a fluid nation, I’m sorry if that scares you.

[@hal0hal0mc]

What does it mean to be American? This is an example of it. Two people working through dialogue towards a greater understanding of each others' point of view. We will never agree with our fellow brothers and sisters 100% but America is not just a nation of diverse ethnicities and identities, but more importantly, of IDEAs. Props to Ezra and Vivek for having such a thoughtful discussion. As a politically homeless person who sometimes leans left and sometimes right, this is more of what this nation needs and what makes it great. The USA is a deeply flawed country and while I am ashamed of certain actions of our government and our people, I ultimately think this marketplace of ideas is precisely why America holds such power in spite of its tainted optics as of late... We cannot deny that the level of entrepreneurial ingenuity in the USA is alive and well, in spite of how troubled recent times have been in terms of national unity.

[@DAWN001]

I don’t think having a party affiliation is really that important. We are independent instead of homeless. Judging each politician by their policies and actions, not by their party affiliation, makes one think harder and become a wiser voter.

[@hollywoodzero2915]

@1:09:00 Vivek is either naive or lying. She is not voting for him because of the color of his skin. Period. She admits he's smart, likes his policies, but he's the wrong color.

[@strmangt]

Yeah he discussed this on another podcast she was 100% either talking about him being hindu or brown.

[@ashwinpawar5325]

Vivek is the man who's going to transform the Republican Party from conservatism to libertarian. And i am here for it!

[@vinista256]

@@ashwinpawar5325 everyone who longs for a return to the law of the jungle is convinced that they’re going to be a tiger. Good luck with that.

[@humanperson8418]

@@vinista256 You're thinking of Anarchy, not free market libertarianism.

[@vinista256]

@@humanperson8418 explain the diff (in 30 words or less 🤭).

[@pva527]

@@vinista256 Go read a book on free market capitalism. If you have noticed the Fed's reckless Quantitative Easing coupled with Biden and Trump's reckless PPP loans and reckless stimulus is the reason for the high inflation we are in right now !

[@spacefun101]

@@vinista256there are two types of libertarians: minarchists and anarchists. Vivek is more of a minarchist, in that he thinks government is necessary, but should be as small as possible.

[@ghi1]

Respect for Ezra Klein. He was here for some sincere discussion instead of throwing some got- you question and he is one of the best interviewers who is very well informed. Vivek can't escape him 😂.

[@Barnabas94]

Yeah I also thought this was a good learning experience.

[@deigovideos1031]

Inb4 Vivek does something to piss off Trump, has his career ruined, and this podcast becomes pointless

[@TannilleBrown]

I guess but Trump is pretty pro Medicare and has a different opinion than Vivek. Actually most conservatives disagree with Trumps Medicare stance.

[@kappadarwin9476]

He already did, when he used Trump's branding for T-shirts without permission.

[@Bertinator-nm9ld]

​@@TannilleBrownDoesn't matter whether or not people agree with you. It only matters whether or not you personally piss Trump off

[@vsx862]

​@@kappadarwin9476when? Link?

[@101retardnation]

​@kappadarwin9476 and yet they're doing Madison Square Garden together

[@iXpress]

Vivek is doing the heavy lifting for the Trump team, smart guy for answering

[@Dustin277]

Plenty tell you you just ignore it or called it conspiracy theories remember

[@Navin4061]

The last segment really showcased who Vivek truly is, his character and what motivates him etc. The US is actually lucky to have a person like him with strong set of ideals and principles that is well articulated in the political space.

[@gnoccifor8.2]

The way Vivek personalized his friendship with JDV was special! What a good friend and confidant. They learn from each other. Inspiring!

[@dparamful]

They're competitors. This is for show

[@MeanBeanComedy]

​@@dparamful Nah, they're boys. 😎👉🏻👉🏻

[@Joey-k1u]

To my mind Vivek is obviously trying to help Americans get their constitution & country back. We need more Americans like this.

[@isaacgage2762]

This was an exceptionally rational conversation. Ezra was adversarial but remained respectful. Same with Ramaswamy. One point I didn’t see brought up was the Supreme Court’s overturning of Chevron Deference. How can one say that the “nanny administrative state” still exists when Chevron is dead?

[@1donjuego]

Ezra never followed up with the important questions and he allowed Rama to sanewash his callous greed and insanity. Fact is he supports a definition of national identity restricted to white christian nationalist that do not speak against the leader. That is NOT American. He supports ending our citizenship and making us subjects of his ruling class.

[@YashArya01]

Chevron being dead is a prerequisite to dismantling the Nanny State, but the state exists as long as the regulatory apparatus still exists. It will end when the departments are shut down.

[@bulletsandbracelets4140]

@@YashArya01 and we will no longer be able to trust the water we drink, the food we eat, the medications we take. I really don't understand how anyone can see that as a win.

[@isaacgage2762]

@@YashArya01 That’s an interesting point I hadn’t considered. So Chevron being overturned is just the beginning. I guess my next question(s) is assuming that the departments are shut down in a hypothetical Trump administration, what happens now that agency power has been stripped? Do individual States handle the majority of the business that the federal government handled up to this point? What happens to all of the federal employees who will suddenly be without work?

[@YashArya01]

@@bulletsandbracelets4140 first, whether or not dismantling the regulatory state is a good thing is a different goal post from whether it's already dismantled. Second, how open are you to genuinely exploring counter views without jumping to conclusions or making caricatures of it?

[@bhostility2009]

2028 primaries just started 😅

[@microcolonel]

Genuinely shocking, and heartening, to hear Ezra Klein not being profoundly dishonest the whole way through.

[@juegacomocampeon4493]

Vivek pulled me off the fence due to his approach, but more due to his prescience and world views. I look forward to seeing and hearing more from him in the decades to come.

[@thiruvalluvar]

One of the smartest people I have seen.

[@tcroweification]

I'm not generally a fan of Ezra, but I like the way he articulates his thinking, and I appreciate how he has these conversations.

[@thomasseptimius]

vivek and vance are old friends and agree on most

[@davidduneman1883]

Voting Trump, but was hoping for Vivek.

[@doodlecaptain]

One thing I like about Vivek is his quote, 'self reliance over victim-hood'. I am LGBTQ and have been a victim. But I am not powerless and his quote gets to the heart of that. I do disagree with many policy choices of his, however...

[@robelee]

Vivek represents my ideals to a tee! I’m definitely a Trump supporting Republican who opposes the spineless establishment who sold itself out to China, but I’m not in favor of some of the big government policies that the protectionist wing of the America First Movement espouses. I’m a “classical conservative” as Vivek describes it, in that the neocons acceptance of big government is something I wholeheartedly separate myself from.

[@pateljignesh01990]

One of his recommendation for books: Bhagvat Geeta

[@hobojungle1]

A national treasure. Can’t wait to see how he gets involved in politics in the future.

[@emmab31484]

Smart guy Vivek, brings a lot to the table

[@drsinghtastic]

This podcast can be masterclass session on "how to speak"

[@sergecanepa]

Great conversation. Vivek Is a good speaker and gives nice background on his views

[@mnd3607]

There is no leader in democrats who can match the articulation, intellect and honest as vivek..

[@nocynic]

Actually I would love to see him debate Mayor Pete. I think it would be a fair fight.

[@NickolayEl]

He's a diamond in the political sphere, gifted with the single greatest quality in a politician - say as little as possible with as many words as the situation allows.

[@silvereaper1]

translation: i no understand, please explain to me

[@justgivemethetruth]

In other words he is full of some very loose diarreaha. (sp?)

[@juanperret7044]

I actually think it's the opposite. His ideas are consistent and drive at complete goals, but he says so much so fast that I think he tries to make listeners dizzy to what he's saying and only left with the impression that he's an intelligent guy rather than actually thinking deeply about the proposals. I don't personally think his policies or his race are popular in the party he's in. Sure there's a contingent that will but I just don't think he'll ever be the party nominee

[@Bertinator-nm9ld]

​@@silvereaper1Can you provide the spark notes of what he's saying, to demonstrate to us that you do understand him?

[@Lerian_V]

​@@Bertinator-nm9ld I'll do it for you. How much can you pay?

[@Nallendar]

I like Vivek but he has no hope among good sections of Republican voters. They won’t vote Vivek due to his race, religion and heritage. 😢

[@markeasley6149]

Democrats are worse. Ask Andrew Yang.

[@aconcernedcitizen1]

That's a completely baseless statement lol. I'm a republican and all of my republican friends are excited about Ramaswamy. You should check your hasty generalization that causes such deep divides in American politics.

[@Nallendar]

@ I wish everyone are like you and your friends! This election, I voted for Trump too. Cheers!!!

[@pulse3554]

@@aconcernedcitizen1but it’s true that race is a proxy for social class in America

[@isaklytting5795]

It's not true. People aren't like that. Only the 1% paranoid Woke bastards who want to divide us all based on our gender or race or wherever else they can get their wedges ind are the ones saying stuff like this over and over again, and that eventually trickles down so that people begin to believe it. It just isn't true. By far the vast majority of people voting Republican are decent, fair minded people who find racism and sexism abhorrent. Besides, I'll bet most people voting for Trump today, originally voted for Obama when he first ran - before proving himself to be a racist divider instead of a unifier. Also, the parties seem to have switched values. When I was young in the 1980's and 1990's, it was the "lefties" who defended freedom of speech as an absolute right, were against mega-corporations, were afraid of government surveillance, of secret trials, etc. etc. Today it's flipped, and you are likely to hear Republican voters saying "we need to protect freedom of speech", being against untouchable multinational corporations in unholy alliances with governments, whereas Democrats often express enthusiasm for these things. It's like reality has done a 180.

[@rounaqjavyrana]

now that is a beautiful interview.

[@patbickmonty6900]

Vivek exhibits intellectual maturity. He is focused less on the earthly and more on the transcendental. “America” to him is not merely a plot of land with a blood and a religion. America is a set of principles and ideals, largely inspired by respect for the sovereignty of individuals, made feasible by a framework that promotes pluralism, irrespective of cultural extrinsics.

[@danrosario2888]

Fuckin Love Vivek, glad yall got him on.

[@ThinkSutra]

This episode of The Ezra Klein Show highlights a fascinating tension within modern American conservatism. Ramaswamy's emergence represents a pivotal moment in Republican politics, where traditional conservative principles intersect with Trump's populist movement. The discussion exposes an important ideological divide between "national protectionism" and "national libertarianism," suggesting that Trumpism isn't a monolithic movement but a complex political phenomenon that different figures interpret and aim to shape in distinct ways. This debate between Ramaswamy and figures like JD Vance isn't just about policy - it cuts to fundamental questions about American identity and the future direction of conservative politics in the post-Trump era.

[@MSA-uj7cp]

Thank you. I treating and insightful comment.

[@juvwon]

👏👏👏

[@msvulcanspock]

Vance said he would make legal immigrants illegal. Then they would be deported. Vivek could end up being deported by Trump's cleaning out the 'vermin' from American life. They are currently planning to deport whole families. So at least Vivek would not lose contact with them.

[@danielromerosol4158]

;) man, Libertarian ideas are just a phase. Normal people outgrow this BS. But looks like there are marks that still belive this bs

[@bellabella9181]

You used AI to write this.

[@dionysisxb]

Vivek is such an amazingly clear thinker. I really like the way he breaks down hard problems and identifies where government should and should not exist. We are a nation built on independence of thought and the value of disagreement and debate. I really appreciate his approach to rational discussion and focus on finding pragmatic solutions.

[@bulletsandbracelets4140]

Too bad he explicitly argues that all Americans think the same and that anyone who doesn't share his "national identity" for America shouldn't be a citizen. Idk. I'd be a little careful taking him too seriously.

[@chrisgali2243]

@@bulletsandbracelets4140 So if you don't want to be an American why stay here?

[@bulletsandbracelets4140]

@@chrisgali2243 Incredibly funny statement. I think you might be a little brainwashed. I'll try to lay it out in simple terms. I love living here. I love my home, my neighbors, and my community. I think that there are a lot of things wrong with our government and I think there are a lot of things that need to be improved in this country. I care about this country. So I speak out about wanting those things improved. This is like asking an employee of a company, when they propose a solution to make the company better, why they don't want to work there. As if they are the ones who don't care when they are actually the ones doing the most work, and taking the most initiative, to make the company more successful. I think being an American means we have the freedom to be whatever we want to be. And i think the people who don't want to be Americans are the ones trying to turn us into something like Russia. A place where no one is allowed to criticize, no one is allowed to speak their mind, and the "national identity" is the only thing that matters. If you want that, feel free to move there. I'm sure they'd love to have you.

[@1cont]

Vivek. Smart cookie. Ill vote for him.

[@ZXM500]

This discussion was a perfect example for what it looks like for steel to sharpen steel.

[@traymac11]

Wonderful interview and I really appreciate Vivek! He will go far, I hope! Folks, don't listen to the negative comments on Vivek. I encourage you to do your own research and pay close attention to Vivek's points of view. You may still disagree with Vivek (as I do on several issues), but I encourage you to at least be clear on his actual views and motives before casting him and his views aside. What Vivek is talking about is extremely important, and we MUST continue to engage these topics in civil conversation if we want to sustain this country.

[@aminb9204]

I think the problem with this is that Vivek himself can't be "clear on his actual views". Everything he's saying would be more potent if he didn't think he needed to pretend to be a Trump supporter for political viability.

[@traymac11]

@@aminb9204 Your assessment is completely off base, and if you pay more careful attention, you will notice that Vivek isn't pretending anything. He really means what he says. Please do deeper and unbiased research, and I've done it. I don't agree with Vivek on everything, but I've been following his career since long before he ran as president, and the views he expresses are his actual views. Heck, you can watch his high school speech that was leaked, where he expressed some of the same views as he does today. Like him or not, Vivek is the real deal.

[@phetogogracesonngwako2667]

@@traymac11 couldn't agree more, I think people who claim Vivek is not clear or is fake are too biased by either their dislike for Trump or just Vivek himself, that's why they will always default to arguments like, I just can't trust anything he says becaus he's a trump supporter, almost as if it's a cardinal sin to be a trump fan, funny thing is I don't even think Vivek is a true die hard trump supporter. No matter how good of an argument or point Vivek lays out, it will always be cloudy to people who just don't like republicans or people who have TDS

[@amadzarak7746]

Great conversation

[@chriskimmel8763]

This is the way. Every political leader should aspire to share the deep understanding these two displayed here. This was amazing.

[@ryanbirabent-genone9219]

I really appreciate this kind of conversation.

[@pratikmadrecha]

Heyy Ezra, love the show, long time listener. Please add chapter timestamps in text within the RSS episode podcast description so that we can click those in Apple Podcasts and jump around - like on KZbin.

[@NoelStalker]

I have worked in the auto industry for 29 years. All of the government regulation has done nothing but create more jobs and work for people in my industry. For example, when the regulation was added to add TPMS to all vehicles, we now have to add equipment to install and verify all of those sensors. The regulations on fuel efficiency likewise have driven more complicated engine design, driving the need for more operators and machines to execute these. And the end result is that we are all driving safer, more fuel-efficient vehicles. I don't think the industry would have just changed on a dime after Ralph Nader's "unsafe at any speed". Regulation needed to be implemented.

[@bulletsandbracelets4140]

It needs to be implemented, but it also needs to be followed up on and updated when it isn't efficient or is no longer relevant or useful. It annoys me a lot that this conversation is always all or nothing. Some regulation is definitely over the top and I am sure some does more harm than good the way it is currently written. But that doesn't mean we should treat all regulations the same way.

[@NoelStalker]

@@bulletsandbracelets4140 agreed - Vivek seemed to want to throw the baby out with the bathwater though

[@bulletsandbracelets4140]

@@NoelStalker oh yeah. of the two, at least Dems live in the real world and acknowledge that we need regulations as a concept. I have to be careful on that, in no way are these two sides equal. (Dude is an out and out fascist, he's just a lot better spoken. Makes it worse in a lot of ways)

[@kappadarwin9476]

@@bulletsandbracelets4140 We do not treat all regulations the same way. Regulations exist for a reason the reason we have them is because someone before that did something to warrant such a thing to be needed. Think about it we have a lot of coal and fishing regulations because someone argued in court that the rule wasn't written down or clear enough so I'm not at fault. A lot of company lawyers jobs were to find loopholes or technicalities to get their clients off on a lesser charge this would mean business owners would flaunt regulations because the money gained from cutting corners was worth more than the fine.

[@Bertinator-nm9ld]

​@@bulletsandbracelets4140 Out of curiosity, do you have a few specific examples of regulations that you think are outdated? That can be an interesting conversation to explore

[@AerialEngineer]

I want to live in a world where the man on the left represents the values of the left and the man on the right represents the values of the right and where intelligent conversations like this are more common. If only people like these two were on the ballot in November.

[@mochiman100]

Great conversation!

[@sialo1]

As a fellow American of Indian origin, I couldn’t be prouder to have this dude rep us. So fricking articulate and clear in his “why”.

[@zenzo4815]

He is learning more and more about politics and preparing for the future let's see what changes he will become in future

[@gardenia1237]

I wonder how he would address the issue of the farming industry where immigrants are not taking jobs away but in addition “about 116,400 openings for agricultural workers are projected each year” - The job is brutal physically, the workers have to be up 2-3 am, and have to move around the US following the harvest, and their children move schools every 2/3 months. Their living conditions and wages are so bad that, if improved (which is the right thing to do), it would lead to higher produce prices. Farmers are already subsidized, take away these workers (which is a dilemma in itself), the US will have to rely more and more on imported foods.

[@yankelovich]

A fine example of civil discourse between political opposites. Not what one usually gets from the NYT. Ramaswamy is a very talented and smart guy and will be a formidable candidate for the Republicans next cycle.

[@stevestolarczyk8972]

This is legitimately the best, most substantive, political discussion I've heard since I don't know when. It is so frustrating to hear reporting that gives no sign of understanding the conservative/pro-life/etc. position, let alone engaging seriously with it. We need this sort of thing desperately. Thank you!