Volition’s Closure and the Future of Saints Row

[@TareqGamer]

With how the series is at the moment, the publisher should let those that are working on the sr2 pc patch finish it, it'll be a very good gesture and it'll most certainly honor mike watson.

[@TheCynicalAutist]

They couldn't even honour their own fans, so why would they honour what they see as some dead guy from a by gone era?

[@PaisiosOfGOAOA]

Nah most fans were idiots thinking that patch was ever going to happen. But but flipsy said it. So he's not God don't take everything he says is the gospel. He says a lot of things. The patch was never going to happen. It's a lost cause this franchise has been dead in the water for the past decade. It's high time we give up on it

[@InternetMouse]

I agree tareqgamer. That needs to happen

[@emperortrevornorton3119]

His name lives in the hearts of all Saint's Row 2 fans glad that my favorite games are the first 2 3rd is ok 4th could have been better but the only thing I can say that was good about Gat Out Of Hell is funny cut scenes and music

[@purple7filth]

@@PaisiosOfGOAOA bro you're really working overtime to spam every comment on here with you're unwarranted opinion. No one cares about your 300 sub giveaway for your channel or how you tard out about how much you hate flippy.

[@physical_insanity]

Just hearing that Volition actually had a good heart for the reboot that would have probably pleased the fans, only for it to be massively undercut by corporate greed, seriously breaks my heart so badly. For a long time, my trust and faith in the studio had been severely destroyed because of everything to do with the reboot, so it's like the rug got pulled out from under me with that last part of the video. I can't wait to see what's in the NDA video, it seems like it'll be juicy with what was here.

[@PaisiosOfGOAOA]

😂

[@_zigger_]

Volition lost it since the sr3. It's not like they were forced by "ze bad publishers" to make mid games with awful plots.

[@DR3ADER1]

Having a "good heart" doesn't equal a good game or a good, well-run company that isn't corrupt. Let alone a good corporate strategy. Volition severely burned not only the playerbase who have been loyal to them since the days of Freespace 1, but they also burned their publisher, The Embracer Group/Deep Silver/THQ-Nordic hard by lying to them incessantly and compulsively and underdeveloping both Saints Row 4 and Agents of Mayhem. Both sides are in the wrong here. Flat fucking out. And no, this is not a false equivalence fallacy either, because both accounts corroborate and neither party are either good, smart or ethical here.

[@JSRFModCentral]

Didn’t they call the fans “terrorists” because we didn’t like the reboot? I’d say fuck em

[@hihihi1q23]

@@JSRFModCentral They didn't call fans that, they called those 'anti-woke' activist youtube nutjobs screeching that the trailer had a black female avatar in it.

[@XradicalD]

The SR2 patch NEEDS to be finished, besides the great work done by Mike and everyone on the team, it can lead to more people jumping into Saints Row and learn what the peak point of the franchise was. And mainly, considering the revival Half Life 1 got from the recent anniversary update it just shows that people WILL come back to older titles if they are supported in some shape or form. Just hope that comes to fruition.

[@BuryTheLight-tds]

Truth, Half Life 1 literally had a peak player count of about 11k for the 25th anniversary update.

[@BeyondDaX]

@@BuryTheLight-tds That all depends on if Gabe is aware enough to know about that and give them the approval without the investors interferring

[@improbablyyourdad8458]

At this point, they don't need to finish the patch. They need to completely remake the game. I get that it'll be harder than remaking SR3 but they need to win back fans.

[@Metalbearbaby]

I would kill to hear what the scripts would have been like for the original idea of the reboot. I have been starved for Johnny Gat content since Agents of Mayhem. Even Daniel Dae Kim said when doing Gat Out Of Hell, that he would love to keep voicing Gat. I was so disappointed when the reboot seemed to retcon all my favorite characters. Happy that Volition wanted to bring em back, sucks we didn't get to see it.

[@ethangerstein2534]

They didn’t retcon it they just switched to a new universe

[@onemorescout]

Let's be real, the original reboot idea would have still been awful as modern Volition couldn't do it justice. It would be the same mess with a couple more familiar faces.

[@GeteMachine]

If the script wasnt a good stoner, adult comedy crime drama with gangsters and hip-hop, or rich cartels and action over drug was, I doubt it was going to be good. Volition hasn't written anything good since SR2, and they always have to throw in some stupid little quirks into the plot, like sci-fi and movie actors. A lot of the stuff in the reboot outside of the pandery cringe, was just stuff they recycled from SRTT, that wasnt about gangsters. Like why the DLC has you pretty much dress up as a guy you don't like, and that guy is some annoying movie actor. Stuff you already do in SRTT.

[@GeteMachine]

​@@onemorescout Yeah, modern Volition hasnt really proved that they could write a good game themselves. Because it hasnt been good in years under them either, even when they had opportunity. A lot of the stuff they came up with trying to make the characters less of gangsters and more into just corny actors and cartoony, came from them as well. I don't feel like the Dex story would have been as satisfying if the studio doesnt even like the older games enough to recognize the better writing and storyline before they threw it away from SR3, and pretty much mocked the criticism in SR4. They had chances, most of their team left over the years and they hadn't written anything good since SR2. Nobody that likes SR3 ever praises the story or lore, unlike the first 2 games and the alien garbage was just when they knew they went too far.

[@keifujitora6587]

Now we at least have Gat in a different series Daniel Dae Kim is the EN dub for a character in RGG 8

[@TheHonoredMadman]

SR 1 and 2 are still great replayable games to me. I always come back to them

[@ankor1066]

Timeless classics.

[@kash1Mz]

From "Haters gonna hate!" to "Oh noe, studio is being shut down". I mean, yeah, I guess Reddit mods cant *ban* bankruptcy.

[@Gogeta2501]

Nextis deep silver Microsoft or Sony should take en over

[@George-iq3gf]

Sounds like the NDA video is gonna kill me. Just hearing that the old characters were gonna return and it would’ve been similar in tone to sr2 makes me feel so many feelings :/

[@cynicalia]

Hype is real

[@cynicalia]

Still hype is real

[@dylanracho3536]

Saints row is a series I’ll look back on with the utmost respect and reverence, but also with an overarching sadness for the tragedy that has been the management of the IP for the past 10 years. Goodbye Volition, you will be missed

[@bachiak1]

They put it on themselves serving us this garbage of a game that was the reboot

[@GeteMachine]

​@@bachiak1 Didn't help that they kept giving fans garbage themselves after Deep Silver bought them, that they thought they could do anything with the IP and it would sell. From aliens, to demons, goofy secret agents, to hipsters with coffee cups. Apparently not. They knew fans hated the direction they were trying to push but kept doing it anyway until it finally broke people. If the reboot was successful, we'd just be getting a sequel to that. Both Deep Silver and Volition just fucked around too much. Now GTA6 will make them even more of a laughingstock.

[@AL-nv4gk]

They could of did that whole ride or die attitude with Boss and Shaundi that GTA are now doing with there​ new duo and it would of been perfect 😫@@GeteMachine

[@HilltopGaming]

To hear that Volition originally wanted the game to be that mix between 2 and 3 just fuels the hate against Deep Silver and Embracer. It could've been absolutely epic. Hopefully DS can redeem themselves, but I'm not holding my breath.

[@JohnathanWilliamson849]

Believing that Deep Silver was to blame for the New Saints Row turning out to be shit and not Volition is just pure blindness from a Volition fan who couldn't accept that the company went to shit. Volition had already made multiple shitty games for years and since at least 2014 were woke when they praised Anita Sarkeesian.

[@HilltopGaming]

I'm sorry, the fuck? Their last decent game was 2, maybe 3 at times, for sure, but I wouldn't call myself a fan nor am I in any way defending Volition or solely blaming DS. All I'm saying is that hearing this information points some of the blame away from them and it would've been interesting to see what they would've been able to come up with, trying to make a mix of 2 and 3.

[@Gogeta2501]

I think other way around Volition gone woke

[@StillND]

I wonder how long this NDA video is gonna be, if it’s taking 6+ months. Must be hours of content. Can’t wait.

[@VloneKid25]

Fr

[@jdelix]

To this very day, I still play the shit out of SR2 like it just came out. The open world genre is so overly saturated in this era, yet at the same time, I've not found a GTA-style game to top SR2's focus on freedom, player choice, and environmental interaction. GTA IV and SR2 were the peak for me.

[@Sedan57Chevy]

I NEED that NDA video. Just what you shared in this one, absolutely changed my perspective regarding Volition and what happened to them. They really deserved better! The ending, talking about how the prospects for their future were looking brighter with gearbox, just to have it ripped away... So sad.

[@JohnathanWilliamson849]

I sure as shit dont trust self appointed community managers who have to wait for the NDA dust to clear to make the obvious and banal statement "nusaints is bad"

[@theoutsiderjess1869]

I see Volition closing feels like the end of Saints Row as a series because Deep Silver itself doesn't really want to do anything with the older games

[@Embrod]

Deserved, AoM was promising. But SR4, Bat and Reboot - totally disaster and disappointment.

[@theoutsiderjess1869]

​@@Embrod I actually loved Sr4 I would switch 3 with it but gat and the reboot sucked

[@FellianTheDragon]

@@Embrod Disagree, I loved SR4 (even though the aliens and superpowers made it feel like a spin off)

[@Buboltz]

@@FellianTheDragon I loved SR4 personally as well, but my biggest complaint was the fact that cars became basically obsolete. Customization was always a big part in the games, and one of the things I loved most about the cars were detailing them. Though I also really enjoyed “How the Saints saved Christmas” DLC, kinda wished SR4 also had something for Halloween. Holiday focused things in games are always fun.

[@GeteMachine]

Yeah, I feel like even if they got another greenlight to the IP, they're just going to do the same thing again and just try to make SR into whatever they think is trending and ignore the fanbase. Them behind the scenes with how cocky they were on the reboot pretty much let us know how they felt about the fandom and older games. They also were radio silent after the reboot flopped hard, and never apologized. They just let Volition take all the heat for it, and walked off with the IP while they were mostly the reason why it failed, from their meddling and them not looking for writers that actually liked the genre with the fans after Steve Jaros left and stopped caring.

[@Xspy70]

I really like all the custom scenes you made in Saints Row 2 for this video. It really makes things funnier and more entertaining to watch. Kudos for the effort!

[@billcosby66662the2nd]

Man, hearing about the original vision of the game in relation to the actual released product is a burning fucking hell.

[@JohnathanWilliamson849]

That's what they want you to believe. It has nothing to do with the publisher contrary to what people want to say. Volition is to blame for much of the stuff put in, and they had already proved to be woke back in 2014 when they praised Anita Sarkeesian and said she was right about the First 2 Saints Row games.

[@MrWolfSnack]

I've said it since the beginning - go woke, go broke. And once you let some ignorant woman run the show - its all over. @@JohnathanWilliamson849

[@crimsonomega8310]

I really do want thr series to continue.

[@periferex]

Same

[@FellianTheDragon]

Same but I have no idea how that's gonna happen with Deep Silver in charge

[@GeteMachine]

@@FellianTheDragon Everything points to Deep Silver, just being greedy, dishonest, deceptive, and careless with the IP just looking for a cash-grab off of it because it was Volition's most if not only successful IP. The minute they'd get another chance with it, is when we'd probably get something else like the reboot or AOM, because they don't like or care about the actual fans and the community manager (a deep silver employee) pretty much admitted she wanted to purge people she didnt like in the fandom that didnt like their shitty reboot and got too cocky.

[@Gogeta2501]

​@@GeteMachineshe need pisssoff And het normal publisher

[@JohnathanWilliamson849]

@@GeteMachine Blaming Deep Silver for it and not Volition is how I know you're just a delusional Volition Fanboy who can't admit the company went to shit. Volition was already shitty back in 2014 when they praised Anita Sarkeesian.

[@5persondude]

For people still waiting on the SR2 PC patch… at this point I’d recommend just watching Flippy’s videos on how to play SR1 and 2 on PC through the Xenia emulator. He even has the DLC packs for both games included for both games.

[@BuryTheLight-tds]

I wish it was possible to use mods though Xenia

[@kemalerdemsahin410]

Sr1 is playable from start to finish with emulator but the performance isn't so great

[@akirajkr]

I'm only really playing SR1 on emulator, and that's if the performance/experience starts being acceptable, otherwise...I'll wait

[@sempertern]

SR2 is fine as it is.

[@BuryTheLight-tds]

@@sempertern It's still missing the DLCs Incase you weren't aware

[@weplo1597]

Saint row 2 patch will never be real

[@cfiber_inc]

Sad

[@Embrod]

ech, ffs

[@lud3re384]

A heartbreaking shame. Someone literally worked to their final breath on it.

[@Samuraigaming1180]

😡🤬🤬🤬

[@captiankirkgames4385]

Patch yep

[@invaderjoshua6280]

The saints row 2 pc patch just hurts at this point to think about.

[@majorleaguefoodgaming]

Hopefully that means Saints Row can finally rest in piece. Just sad how they’ve been making the franchise limp along

[@charmingpeasant9834]

Who ever was in charge of the reboot should be kicked out of games industry. Sadly they will fail upwards to another AAA project.

[@risepl753]

RIP Mike ❤️🙏

[@MrWaifuTaker]

We should make our own Saints Row... with hotel oscar oscar kilo echo romeo sierra and blackjack!

[@physical_insanity]

Oscar kilo, Mike Alpha November India Golf Golf Echo Romeo.

[@drgojira6044]

Well that's one way to phrase it..

[@FrankByDaylight]

I will remember them as what they were. Not what they became.

[@Embrod]

Wishful thinking, volition for like 9 years is empty shell. Just like bioware, blizzard.

[@purple7filth]

@@Embrod hence "what they were. Not what they became"

[@StatiCRjm]

From 06-08 yeah. Nothing but trash after that

[@hihihi1q23]

@@Embrod Blizzard is still making pretty good games. The recent WoW expansion is their best in years and Diablo is solid.

[@FrankByDaylight]

@@StatiCRjm agents of mayhem is actually a pretty good game with lots of passion behind it. It just didn't get marketed well.

[@PlasmaSpazAP]

I really wanted a Saints Row 1 and 2 remastered...

[@lastremain7867]

0:55 Volition having anything to do with Saudi Araba and also releasing the the most Woke Saints Row is irony at best.

[@SeasoningTheObese]

"100 million dollar budget" Did they burn 90 million up front?

[@nicklenuts]

Damn I really don't know if we will ever get a comeback from this I'm hopping we do it would be nice

[@Puxi]

Cry on the mom! See the bright side. All them Wokies at Volition got unemployed.

[@ZarriaL24]

@@Puxi😂😂😂😂

[@marquishaile8]

Ea is going to bury saints row 😢

[@IskenderCaglarM41B441]

Down with the woke

[@zekromfan1]

Mike was a legend, a real man of the fans. I just feel awful knowing the terrible conditions they had to work, and that even under said conditions he cared so much about us fans that he worked, even until he couldn’t anymore, that was precious time he could have spent with his family, doing what needed to be done in the short time he had, he CHOSE to spend that time for us. Let’s never forget that, we were so important to him that he made such a hard choice all for us. The man deserves to be known for the incredible person he was, I just hope the patch comes out eventually, for no other reason than to see Mike’s will carried out, one final thank you from everyone involved to the man who has contributed to much over the years.

[@ashley2449]

that picture of randy on his knees by the toilet has forever lived rent free in my head since I first saw it years ago.. it's like a curse that needs to be dormant for a few years before it mysteriously appears to ruin my mind again.

[@Skoo_]

As everyone else can agree, i hope someway that the pc patch can come someday. And who knows, maybe someone makes a fanmade project/game with the older VA's, or something to bring nostalgia.

[@ChaseMC215]

As someone who was a former fan turned casual enjoyer of Saints Row, I find the PC Patch's future to be.... Uncertain. Have you ever lost faith in a game/series because of something really shitty that the company did? I already lost faith in one game, and about to lose faith in a few more, Saints Row included.

[@hawken796]

I geniunely don't think Deep Silver was the biggest detractor from the Reboot. Almost every other developer under them has no problem, 4A games with Metro, Dambuster with Dead Island 2 and the smaller ones all seem to be perfectly fine working with them. Some part of me feels like the higher ups at Volition are trying to cover their asses, so they're shifting the blame onto DS. 4A even released an engine level modkit for Metro Exodus and that was Volitions plan too, so I really don't think DS is as detrimental as we're led to believe.

[@nexustrition1264]

The thing is that Metro Exodus had it's launch controversy that had Deep Sliver make the game an Epic Games Store Exclusive last second which resulted in a lot of people canceling their pre orders and waiting for the game to release on Steam, Dead Island 2 also had a very very turbulent development with the game switching Developers 3 times, and while yes Dead Island 2 is a fine game. The game has gotten flak for it's very meh story. And not to mention that Deep Sliver has a history of having very shit marketing for their games. Mighty No. 9 being a big prime sample of that.

[@GeteMachine]

This. This is also questionable, because it was already in a divisive issue to fans before the reboot. From SR3 onward and SR3 was when they got a new president, who said himself he didn't like SR3 in retrospect because he felt he couldn't show it to his kids (ignorant to its adult audience and M-rating). The internal battle over what Saints Row internally with Volition was already brewing. Steve Jaros wrote SR4 then took his name off it after people criticized its plot.

[@JohnathanWilliamson849]

The people who criticize Deep Silver and not Volition as to why the game turned out to be shit have no clue what they're talking about. Volition already proved the direction they wanted to go when in 2014 they said Anita Sarkeesian was right about their games.

[@nexustrition1264]

@@JohnathanWilliamson849 That was all the way back in 2014. A lot had changed at Volition since that time. And you're out here saying on a lot of these comments going on about how "Volition deserved to go under" how they were the enemy and how everyone is completely neglecting the idea that Volition isn't getting any blame for their Downfall when literally every video that's gone into detail about Saints Row 2022's Development. Everyone has said that Deep Sliver isn't all to blame for all of the Reboot's poor choices. And again Saints Row 2022 was the only game Volition has made that almost nobody agree was a good game. To say they deserved their Downfall is quite dumb in a way.

[@JohnathanWilliamson849]

@@nexustrition1264 It really didn't, all that happened was that they hired new writers and devs to replace the old devs and they also believed that Anita Sarkeesian was right about the old games. Nothing changed from then.

[@innuendoike1004]

Wouldn’t be the first time some corporate suits spit on the legacy of a dead man

[@JohnathanWilliamson849]

Volition already went to shit a decade ago, especially after 2014 when they praised anita sarkeesian.

[@Lilimrrp]

@@JohnathanWilliamson849Yeah yeah keep coping brah

[@JohnathanWilliamson849]

@@Lilimrrp not a response. How is this a cope?

[@Dineffable]

the original reboot sounded SO GOOD. I hope we can se your nda video soon!! ❤

[@daze6716]

love you mrsaintsgodzilla21! im so sad that all this happened but it makes me feel better that you were able to tell me that at ONE point they knew what to do for a REAL reboot

[@GeteMachine]

This just makes me angrier with Deep Silver now. Their legacy is with all the games fans hated.

[@jasonblundelldobebussing]

SR2 patch is like one peace, as in non-existent.

[@abluecar5375]

atm while waiting for the patch, if it ever comes out, I can only have fun in SR2 as my favourite original characters

[@alexanderthealrighty]

The original idea for the reboot sounds exactly like what we all wanted. Imagine how different things could have been - we could have got a really good new SR game and a massively improved version of the best game in the series (and one of the best games of all time) on top of it. What a shit timeline we live in.

[@Zumi909]

Hope deep silver goes bankrupt as well

[@DonDaan11]

It could have been a great franchise. Focus on the game basics, good driving, map, mechanics, audio etc. Their USP should be focused on “gangs” and customization. Imagine different worlds, gangs and the endless options in customizing your gang in detail, buildings, side operations etc. Only if they should listen to their fans

[@MrWolfSnack]

They were too woke, that "their game would incite violence and negative attitudes". They changed the names of all the stores in Saints Row 2022 because it was offensive to all the little snowflake devs.

[@R3fug333]

I don't believe that the reboot sold anywhere close to even SR2 let alone SR3

[@NewOrderOfAlexandria]

I'm kinda hoping some aspiring indie dev buys the franchise and gives Saints Row a REAL *gritty* reboot that actually goes full crime sim, rather than wacky cartoon bs we got the last decade

[@hawk9mm]

Nightdive Studios would do it true justice I think, they've been doing a fantastic job bringing old games back into the front again, though they really only work on FPS titles so I doubt that they would, still if anyone was going to bring back a good SR1-2 it would be a company like they, they seem to care how their product comes out.

[@NewOrderOfAlexandria]

Hopefully GTA 6 pushes Deep Silver to make a Saints Row 7 and actually listen to fans this time. I wanna see realistic graphics too, the reboot cartoony look was pathetic for current/next gen

[@TheToyZone00]

I’m going to take my hatred for Dex to the grave, Shit was personal. the fact we were robbed like four separate times of getting sweet revenge, It’s like salt to the wound.

[@RanaRandom]

RED FACTION memories, of how far Volition has come.

[@killrwolf-wq6xm]

Im gonna be completely honest I rather Saints row die and be forgotten than get a sequel to that horrible reboot It's either they go back to how sr was like with Sr2 or let the franchise die I got the game free on ps plus and my god, playing through it was so boring The characters were so dislikeable And greatly regretted playing the game after I completed it because that ending was awful

[@adanjuarezjr5135]

Cmon it’s so obvious what killed it no need to deny it, they may had orders to follow but if their hearts were truly in it they wouldn’t have helped finish it

[@JohnathanWilliamson849]

This, Volition knew what they were doing. All you need to know was in 2014 they praised Anita Sarkeesian, and they went that path.

[@Vyolette13]

I hope you can make that video on the Saints Row 2 patch, even if it is an hour long. It would be kinda funny if the patch/update released while the video is being made, but the development history and context would still be incredibly valuable to have available publicly. I hope that Deep Silver can do the right thing, and finish it. Even if they have to scrap some multiplayer modes that require servers. 😥

[@PaisiosOfGOAOA]

It's never going to get released.

[@lucidiesart4311]

​@@PaisiosOfGOAOAthey said no one's working on it now?

[@fallfoxy]

It's been 4 years

[@ВладимирДимов-л6р]

@@PaisiosOfGOAOA Exactly: that patch just probably went into the trash sooner beyond the moment Volition was closed, I'm assume all files with anything they were working on (including the Saints Row 2's patch project) were scrapped / erased and went into void... I wanted to cry when I'm saw that Volition's logo on their office entrance at beginning of the video at 0:26 were already partially removed / wiped out. Basically there were much slower since Mike Watson (the creator of Saints Row 2's Gentleman Of Row Super Mod, known under IdolNinja nickname on Saints Row Mods) died at 2021. Now that patch is gone, guys! Nothing can be done about this, unfortunately. Separately Saints Row 2 might go into unplayable state since both it and Gentleman Of Row 1.9.2 supermod appears do not work properly under Windows 11, according on some users on Steam Community forums. At same time Windows 10, an OS that is still somewhat more compatible running Saints Row 2 current PC port, is now dropped below 2 years of remaining support, and it already stopped getting new features since 2022... On other side, Windows 11 (and upward possibly) still has that nasty strict restriction for only Intel 8th Gen Coffee Lake CPUs and upward (pretty much only usable on the very few recent generations Intel and AMD CPUs), you still can't even run flawlessly it on PCs with 4th Gen Haswell / 6th Gen Sky Lake / 7th gen Kaby Lake CPUs that're still pretty frequently used on more second-hand entry-level gaming budget PC configurations... This means that around 2027 or 2028, when third-party applications cut out support / discontinue Windows 10 and made them to work on Windows 11 and upward only, current PC version of Saints Row 2 probably won't be usable anymore, similar to last several versions of Apple MacOS version able to now run 64-bit applications and games only, which made basically all older 32-bit games for Mac completely unusable...

[@chrisville004]

Still can’t believe we waited all that time for a reboot just for it to end like this

[@MrWolfSnack]

All you need to know is this game is a letterhead for the phrase "go woke go broke"

[@PikminandOatchi]

Haven't been good in a long time anyway

[@SOBEKCrocodileGod]

Never got around to seeing this until now but damn. Deep Silver’s meddling is even worse than I thought.

[@doctorfrosty3546]

It’s ironic a company named Embracer doesn’t live up to their name.

[@JohnathanWilliamson849]

>Do everything wrong >Fail >Act surprised Over and over and over again. ... well, fair enough, it worked with SR3. That game had enough goodwill from SR2 to carry it's sales and the marketing was on point in obfuscating all the faults.

[@ryanjackson3184]

I hope that they do another reboot of saints row

[@maxkliegl2001]

Same but this time with the original characters we know and love.

[@KarlDelaney99]

​@@maxkliegl2001I don't mind the idea of new characters. Just don't make them cringe gen z kids

[@PaisiosOfGOAOA]

😂

[@JSRFModCentral]

Just give us saints row 2 remastered in 4K

[@GeteMachine]

Without Deep Silver first.

[@LadyBern]

I actually bought some old volition games this year. Red faction series and the punisher. Idk who deserves the most blame for that reboot but I do know the community didn't deserve that or to be treated that way. Exec meddling, yeah I can see and believe that goodness knows it's happened plenty before. Just amazes me that they always seem to think they know better than the people making it or the fans requests/suggestions.

[@GeteMachine]

If anything I wish Red Faction would get a reboot under a different publisher and studio.

[@JohnathanWilliamson849]

Blaming executive meddling instead of the company itself doesn't solve anything. Volition was already shitty years prior starting with at least Saints Row 3.

[@LadyBern]

@@JohnathanWilliamson849 I know it started going downhill with 3. I think the same is said of the red faction games. But if what MSG is saying is true and looking at embracer group and perhaps a bit of DS (plus working for plenty of companies where they changed how things are done and demanded great results/profit) I can see where exec meddling could've stopped them from doing better in some aspects of the game.

[@JohnathanWilliamson849]

@@LadyBern MSG is just a Volition fan who couldn't accept that Volition went to shit so he needed to make up a story to try and cope with the company going to shit. Volition already proved they turned to shit a decade ago.

[@LadyBern]

@@JohnathanWilliamson849 I said if. If there was a plan to bring back the old gang with the 80/20 ratio that would've appeased the people then that's sad but good to hear that they weren't blowing smoke up our asses the entire time when they said that they were listening. But there's no denying exec meddling is a thing that has ruined games, movies, TV series, etc for a long long time and when it fails the blame falls not on them but devs. Embracer group really gets a side eye from me because of the rumor that they were behind the firing of the community manager for limited run games when LRG dgaf about the Hogwarts thing and was planning to just ignore it.

[@michellerahe4853]

The reality is the og saints row actors aren't coming back. The reboot was an absolute joke. You look at their comments on the posts and its little to no praise. Its not even a saints row. Its a completely different game. The thing is they are a "criminal enterprise" and not a gang. Plus the new protagonist group is some college cringe group lmao. So much wasted potential.

[@ZoomyZoom77]

IdolNinja's work needs to see the light of day

[@Pupsterization122]

That part where you say they were bringing the old saints back broke my heart

[@Prizm17]

This video and RPGGameplays video with the whistleblower both bring a tear to my eye, so much potential hopfully volition will rise like a phoenix

[@JohnathanWilliamson849]

I don't trust the whistleblower. I sure as shit dont trust self appointed community managers who have to wait for the NDA dust to clear to make the obvious and banal statement "nusaints is bad"

[@Prizm17]

@@JohnathanWilliamson849it was deeper than that if I remember, and some of what the whistleblower said makes sense with what mrsaintsgodzilla said when he went to volition before the reboot was announced 🤷‍♂️

[@NekoNeko88]

finally someone talking about this beautiful series and how unexpected it disappeared :c

[@darianthescorpion1132]

For old times sake, you’ll find me in another playthrough of Saints Row 2, Saints Row The Third, Red Faction (1), and Red Faction 2.

[@zoltanz288]

ill be playing Punisher. the unmourned victim here. if any game needed a sequel it was that.

[@darianthescorpion1132]

@@zoltanz288 You have great tastes. 😁👍

[@zoltanz288]

@@darianthescorpion1132 Thank you.

[@MrMuschiato]

So Volition paid for everyone, and the IP is in the hands of people who wanted the game to be all about tiktokers becoming gangsters to pay their rent, karaoke and friendship? We are completely, 100% fucked.

[@AFlexibleGamer]

I actually started tearing up when you talked about Mike working on the dex mission, Damm man....

[@Hiwaycowboy]

That 80/20 would’ve been the perfect blend because I like saints row the third but mostly 2nd was my fav and a classic to me…..I hate the state of gaming

[@greenflamez]

Congratulations on hitting 100k subs 🔥🔥🙏

[@Blazer15x]

thats so sad, i grew up playing SR2 its in my opinion the greatest open world crime game of all time.

[@KristalMizore]

Volition declined after Saints Row 2. They were cowards to compete in last 15 years scared to be criticize as a gta clone and their reboot cringeness make them much worse.

[@nomercy5422]

R.I.P V

[@emcmend9960]

gonna be blunt man. Volition shutting down makes me wanna cry dude. like uncomfortable 20 minute breakdown in the middle of a Livestream cry

[@GARBO96]

It's hard for me to believe that this was anywhere SR3 in terms of sales as I literally heard no hype for the reboot didn't even know it was a thing until literally today that's not how it was for SR three I knew exactly when it was coming out

[@JoseMedina-hs9st]

I would love to see a saint row Taking place before saints row one. Showing you how the vice kings and los Cornelius Became a gang. And seen the West side rollers. Becoming a Small car club to a gang.

[@lolcatzidk]

Can’t wait for your NDA video

[@TheSaints77]

I been waiting forever for that 😅 it is gonna be lit

[@vBloodCry]

Whens the nda video dropping? Its heen forever bro

[@ruben_zermeno]

4:14 I know that fixing a game is not a very easy job to do, considering other problems, such as money, resources and also IP laws in order to launch an official patch. But if some Saints Row fans were also working on the Saints Row 2 PC patch, and they have enough experience to do such thing. Why not making all they could to develop that patch as a mod instead, just like the Gentleman pf the Row Mod? Or at least just a small patch that helps enough to stop the game crash every 20 to 30 minutes.

[@scrittle]

Deep Silver ran Volition's social handles? What on Earth?

[@GeteMachine]

It makes a lot of sense where all the hate for the old games came from, and I knew their community manager was a DS employee as well. All I see from it is that Volition was blamed for their behavior. Deep Silver not only sabotaged the game itself, but sabotaged any good will for the game with audiences that had criticism of it, and they really banked on just journalists to like the reboot. They even withheld Volition's bonus pay to the metacritic score, after they poisoned the well for people to hate it, in addition to rushing, and underemploying Volition to make their broken game. It was just a corporate mess.

[@JohnathanWilliamson849]

this is just the narrative pushed by Volition fans who can't accept that the company went to shit. They need a scapegoat. Volition already proved that they were shit when in 2014 they said Anita Sarkeesian was right about their games.

[@steveon104]

Volition died since agents of mayhem for me personally

[@nolmdzn]

Honestly breaks my heart knowing what could of been, looking forward to the next video ❤

[@Journey_to_who_knows]

I wonder just how bad the “development” was since there was nothing stopping a repeat of what happened with Aom. Police should have probably been involved.

[@Dazdov]

if they didn't make saints row forespoken they probably would've still been around

[@gman6532]

Yeah dunno why saintsgodzilla tries to insist it did about as well as sr3 when theres an article from when the game was out for a month saying the game sold about a million copies within a month. Maybe its not 100% verifiable but its one of the few hard numbers we have that isn't vague statements that could either be lies or have a grain of truth.

[@prince.baileyy]

cant wait for that nda video omg. when can we expect it. miss what saints row used to be....

[@JasonL_Hawaii]

The false claim of "return to SR roots" in the SR Reboot game was their immediate downfall. Once they went woke, then they went broke and defunct.

[@zXPeterz14]

Except the game made its money back, even if it wasn’t great and reviewed badly

[@Dineffable]

I'm currently finishing SR2 (I don't want to) and I am obsessed. A movie with 80% sr2 and 20% sr3 would've been incredible.

[@Doehini]

They made 2 good saints rows that’s it

[@manukau5271]

Is the SR2 patch in the room with us right now?

[@Embrod]

Who the hell knows

[@DR3ADER1]

No, because Deep Silver answers to The Embracer Group, who still have billions of euros of debt. Because they also pissed away all of that EU Grant Money and Swedish Grant Money in the process before they went to the Saudi Blood Money Bank and said "Please Sheikhs, can we have some more?" and the Warlords said "LOL No, we have Streets(tm) and KOF Gacha, I ain't seeing any tacos here, GET LAWST!" and that was that. If anything, Crystal D, 4A, (new)Free Radical Design, Dambuster, Eidos Montreal, Gearbox, Saber, et al are in deep shit right now because these Svensk Shitheads didn't bother to do a few hours of research into the history and demise of Infogrames, who did EXACTLY the same fucking thing Embracer did 20 years ago (buy up a ton of expensive developers and licenses, accrue tons of debt, mismanaged their properties and assets to a sickening degree, and filed for bankruptcy within 10-15 years AFTER their grand expansion plan began).

[@theobell2002]

I WISH!

[@vicvega24]

Volition betrayed us. They betrayed us all.

[@Supachamploo08]

I don’t believe the sales numbers comment. If it sold well they would have stated the numbers. It was also mentioned during 2 financial meetings that it would “eventually” make its money back. Come the last Embracer meeting it was said that the game did not meet expectations and would change the way new games are green-lit.

[@TonyFonzerelli]

😢 what a whirlwind of emotions for this series.

[@user-bx3rg7yb1d]

Rest in peace. Thank you for the childhood memories you will be missed. But saints row for me died with saint's row IV. I didnt like 4s story or gat out of help and i lost intrest in the series. The saints row 3 remsster really made me excited for reboot with the nostalgia but it was disappointing. I feel same way i felt when i learned triad wars was cancelled the sleeping dogs sequel

[@FreeAimDog]

the question in my head is why should i care anymore? deep down inside i know it’s over, just let it die and it’s time to move on it’s what i’m going to do, i been playing skyrim since i never got into it back in the day.

[@averyaustin1]

Guess the haters hated too hard, huh Deep Silver?

[@rogueraccoon1840]

They need to finish the patch. Hell even RWS is wanting Deep silver to continue the patch, hell just hire Running with scissors and I bet you that'll do it and finish Idolninjas work

[@ThingsHitMyHead]

Dam it’s so sad

[@orthodoxfob2389]

Oh of course the management felt satisfied with the game hitting all the check boxes for ESG score crap Boycott Embracer

[@Ramlin1210]

2:29 lol dat anime squirrel girl ad

[@mattsteelman3832]

I'd love another Saints Row, as long as it's made by any other developer. I can't trust them anymore after what they turned it into.

[@hihihi1q23]

No competent developer is going to waste their time working on a B-tier Xbox 360 franchise.

[@mattsteelman3832]

@horkborkm5818 "waste their time" he says. Yeah making a lot of money is such a waste of time isn't it?

[@Big_Human]

As of rn, mrsaintsgodzilla and floppy uploads are the only saints row related media I look forward to

[@Sw4ggyD]

Man i hate corporate greed goddamn.

[@7uy.g]

Wouldn't have shut down if they kept all the games as perfect as SR2

[@CallumOneil999]

I did blame Volition at first before finding out it's really the publisher I don't know if it's still possible but would have been cool to see Volition under Microsoft since the game initially was exclusive there. I feel MS wouldn't have got in the way of creating the art the devs wanted to make. They probably would have also helped give it the tools to boost the things like multiplayer to try get it to the level of GTA V.

[@JohnathanWilliamson849]

It has nothing to do with the publisher contrary to what people want to say. Volition is to blame for much of the stuff put in, and they had already proved to be woke back in 2014 when they praised Anita Sarkeesian and said she was right about the First 2 Saints Row games.

[@CallumOneil999]

@@JohnathanWilliamson849 I agree Volition didn't do well gameplay-wise and a few other aspects from what I played. I think they went jokey with SRT3 and since social media just came out it went viral so they thought that was the path and took that route. I think when they were doing live streams of older games like SR1 & 2 they showed a lot of love to them but I think the publisher wanted to erase the first 2 games like the Saints Row Twitter account was ran by them so they controlled what we thought Volition was saying. From what Fl1ppy and MrSaintsGodzilla say Volition did want to create a Saints Row 2.5 before the publisher came in and shot down their ideas that the OG fans would have loved. Hope this makes sense I'm a little fried rn lol

[@CallumOneil999]

@@JohnathanWilliamson849 Tbh I forgot that Anita thing. Still, I feel if the publisher would have let them do their thing we could have at least got something worth playing once through. If they didn't remove the likes of 'Rim-Jobs' and other store names like that and that kind of humor then it could have been a game worth replaying

[@JohnathanWilliamson849]

@@CallumOneil999 Flippy and MrSaintsGodzilla are just Volition fans who couldn't handle the fact that Volition went to shit so they made up this whole headcanon that Deep Silver was the reason why the New Saints Row was shit. That whole live streams stuff was just Volition's way to try and gain back sympathy after people rightfully shat on Saints Row 3 and 4.

[@JohnathanWilliamson849]

@@CallumOneil999 Nah we wouldn't. The game was still mechanically a broken game with shitty combat and driving. The story wouldnt have changed that.

[@theivoryleague3847]

The reboot was set up to fail because they didn’t listen to the fans period.

[@Bishweeb]

I really don't know what's going to happen with Saints Row. All I can say at this point is if I become a billionaire I will make the game fans want lol