Von Flue Choke (Shoulder Choke)

Known by a few names, the "Von Flue Choke" is a great defense against a guillotine from side control.

[@liverpoolrft]

I won a pro mma fight with this choke on Sunday so it does work, sometimes when you shoot a double leg and the guy tries to guilotine you land him in side control and before he let's go of your neck you can trap the arm and start working the choke. It's a great sub and does work if you know how to do it properly. Keep up the good work Submissions 101.

[@stevena9231]

Who's here after ovince saint preux fight

[@mkashiff1]

He did it again

[@michaelcarson8904]

I am lol

[@dekypradana212]

Me

[@billybobjoe38]

Which one? You have 3 to choose from (last I checked).

[@michaelmurphy8495]

Me as I had never seen it before.

[@FightCommentary]

This is one of the coolest chokes ever.

[@verx1236]

W

[@maxzhao8331]

yo fight commentary breakdown!

[@TheGoonie415]

whoa that's ridiculously crafty

[@PlayGroundCHP]

The von preux choke*

[@lorinandvesuvius6142]

PlayGround LOL

[@robloxgod6945]

Good fight night lmao

[@PlayGroundCHP]

SOB indeed

[@domlalonde7111]

PlayGround that's how it should be called lol

[@PlayGroundCHP]

true haha

[@bilalsyed5310]

Ufc Copenhagen anyone ?

[@betteldottel]

Yupp

[@tj2flossy603]

Hahahah yup

[@wierdwabbitt]

Right here

[@stephanielopez6275]

Lol hell yeah.

[@keeganwerner3682]

That's why I'm watching this too. I lost my fight last night because of this choke. I've been in MMA and BJJ for 10 years, and this is the first time anybody has done that to me. I never thought it was that affective until he locked it in.

[@JBLAZALOT]

WHOS HERE AFTER ANOTHER von preaux choke

[@gunterdapenguin5896]

Yo this is literally perfect for those newbies that just hold you in a head lock and don't let go as if their life depends on it, I was wrestling in school for fun and this guy didn't have any grappling experience except "wrestling with the bros" and he just got me in that headlock (I was still new to BJJ) and he didn't let go, I was on top and eventually won but my ear turned blue and swelled, next time I'll definitely try this out

[@MikeCrawch]

My Gunnery Sgt showed us this choke when we were in MCMAP going for our green belt. One of the most useful maneuvers he showed us and I loved it. Shoulder choke, calf crusher, karmura, Americana, and triangle chokes are my favorites.

[@oogie4486]

In my school we drill this escape. The key here, countering the guillotine, is to pass to side control before the choker closes the guard. Once the choker establishes full guard it is pretty hard to escape the guillotine. I find this counter to be the best way to defend against the guillotine, definitely a high percentage escape if done properly.

[@RicoBeasty90]

I won bronze in my division at the WVGO in Clendinin, WV last month with this technique from full guard.

[@retroboat-kj9gx]

I just want to jump into the screen watching this. I miss the old days 😢😢 2007..

[@k.j.jackson5637]

Ovince Saint Preux (former TN Vol, Go Vols :D) used this against Nikita in UFC 171! It's rare and has hardly been done before. Ovince has the makings of a champion man.

[@tvu86]

K.J. Jackson Good call .. He did it against yushin okami yesterday lol

[@SkynetT800]

Thanks for teaching me the move!👍 I was called an opportunist by a shellfish professional fighter for trying to learn as much as I can

[@Submissions101]

What he was doing was getting the pressure of the choke. If he was cross side body on you, it is a WHOLE different story (tight shoulder choke). cheers and thanks for the comment!

[@Commievn]

Von Preux brought me here.

[@OsvaldoHurtado02]

Brock McClain same here, can't wait to try it

[@Numinor31]

me too. first time i saw this shit heheheh

[@rabiduspugnus]

also opens up [side control bottom] for an arm triangle, most people wont tap, but they will let go, the moment they do, drive your head to the floor and the arm triangle is pretty much there for the taking

[@countdown54321]

chad george brought me here

[@WKrealestateNYC]

countdown54321 just saw his choke out. picture perfect technique by chad.

[@CMora230]

countdown54321 same !

[@felixofla101]

countdown54321 I trained over at PKG in 2009 and I saw Chad teaching class. He's a beast.That was a hell of a choke he did..

[@maxanderson3733]

Thank you for the efficient and simple explanation

[@vokaber1DMLUVBTKMVK]

I just seen someone execute this choke and the explanation given makes complete sense. Hadnt realized this was an actual choke, not a hold or submission.

[@Submissions101]

yes..he pulled it on Alex Karalexis in TUF and Joe Rogan didn't know what to call it (it is an escape from jj but doesn't have a name per se)...so Joe said it was a "Von FLue choke" The name stuck.

[@RNLarkin]

Great Video, I like the good verbal description. I am going to try to incorporate this technique into my arsenal of grappling techniques. I think this will be very useful to me because I am often forced to defend against a guillotine choke. Thanks for posting this video!!

[@runthenumbers9698]

One detail... particularly if you're broad shouldered. While you're pressing your shoulder, you should also be twisting your upper body to where your left shoulder, your right shoulder, and your right elbow form a straight line. Why? Because that forms a second stability point if your shoulders are broad enough. If your shoulders are broad enough, this will produce a stability point where you have secured his right forearm. since you can't pull any farther. This means that your right shoulder is now being pressed forward from 2 stability points. One on the floor, and one from his forearm.Two stability points means it's much easier to maintain pressure, and easier to choke deeper.

[@Submissions101]

@TheIjames The rule of thumb is to let go of the guillotine when someone has cross side position on you. If you type in "Von Flue Choke" you find the video of Jason vs Alex in the UFC. Hope that helps!

[@jack91x]

Von Flue is a person who used a shoulder choke from side control. Von Blut is a maneuver occasionally used in Berufsringen, and later in MMA. He did not invent the choke, he merely used it to TKO somebody, leading to the massive confusion of today (It'd be like if Kimora used a kimura, we'd all be confused) . My friend Colin Reichardt was a wrestling champion in Germany, he explained this to me at great length. Wikipedia it if you want. Allo, history here, clarifying your erroneous assumptions.

[@oogie4486]

thanks man, your videos are the real deal. Very easy to understand, step by step, and useful once i get to the gym. Appreciate all the work!

[@MindofaJedi]

Von Flue has hit variations of this choke in 3 MMA wins! amazing creativity.

[@Reunpack]

what you can do is, when you shoot in keep your arm up so your outside shoulder is up and next to your ear. I get caught up like that alot. Keeping my shoulder and arm up and not grabbing the back of his leg has helped alot. Keep your arms like that and fully commit to the takedown.

[@Submissions101]

Depends. Jiu Jitsu is based on LEVERAGE so many moves do work or larger opponents. I am 180 and it works on my big students (235, 255 lbs). It really is a great choke and there is a fantastic video on You Tube of it working in a MMA match as well)

[@Nenad-ICXC-Shuput-GFAMMA]

Great detail and quick video. Awesome

[@marcuss01]

i tried this on training last night. it totally worked! thanks!

[@jnever9768]

back again after the ovince saint preux fight

[@Sir_Flopsalot]

I just saw a clip of this and didn't understand what happened, this helps thank you.

[@jeromed2]

Just learned that move after Gabriel Bonfim won by it, in UFC :-) Nnnice! Nice to know for self-defense too..Listen, I've been following UFC since early 2000 and I don't remember having seen that submission before. Can you imagine?!

[@masterblastertkd]

I may be wrong, but i think the difference is that with an arm triangle, you are using carotid control, cutting off the blood flow to the brain, whereas this choke is cutting off air. It's also a lot more painful than a carotid choke.

[@dynamite925]

Alonzo Menifield just demonstrated how dangerous this choke is

[@Scarface9462]

Also just an add on, when you hug down on their shoulders to release the pressure of the guillotine use your body weight as leverage and be careful not to work yourself deeper into the choke. Also, you can use your knee against the back of his knee to make the take down easier, especially against a resisting opponent.

[@Submissions101]

No Evan, the fact that you have side control makes the guillotine not very effective because the leverage isn't there (ie: in full guard using your legs to stretch them out.)

[@jGilmour189]

I remember when Von Flue pulled that off. Good call on the naming. I think he referred to it as his custom shoulder

[@jorgep1]

bad ass! UFC 171

[@jack91x]

Wikipedia Chokehold. Or Kata gatame (an extremely similar shoulder choke from side control that fell out of favor because of difficulty of use), Kesa-gatame, or shoulder choke, et cetera ad nauseum, and you will see that he did not invent it. Yes, many people call it that because he popularized it. Just because many people do something doesn't make it right- many people cross their ankles during a straight armbar. Hell, Würgegriff von Blut is literally German for "blood choke".

[@Submissions101]

nope...problem is, some refs DON'T know the jj or submission game that well, so they don't know how some moves affect the body (case in point the video I mentioned).

[@Submissions101]

this is a great counter submission and it doesn't have to be done from a take down. Search the von flue choke on You tube and you'll see it pulled off in life MMA matches! I love this move and it works great.

[@DojKim]

man this channel rules..

[@batmangsxr300]

Guillotine choke attempts are so common, why is the von flue so rare in the ufc? Mind blown!

[@tooflessdan]

if u can get under his hips before the sprawl, you can lever him over for the sweep.. good head control prevents guard replacement.. not everyone will tap to that

[@HardCoreProgrammer1]

very nice,... I am planning to watch all your videos

[@detroitr]

This is one used by Jeremy Horn in Bully Beatdown in season 3 # 2, never heard of it before, thanks for this video

[@Submissions101]

Well said. You must establish side control or this counter will not work.

[@L.Santos11]

shi t . i got in that position 2 days ago in a competion in the start of the fight.... if i had watched that movie i would economy many minutes( breath and energy haha) in my fight, happy i won by points. great video ;) ... i hope to have that opportunity to make that lock again :D

[@rille31]

I nactually saw this once in a UFC fight, the bottom guy went to sleep :)

[@prowrestlerfighter]

some super cool underused submission

[@BradYaeger]

remember watching this choke for the first time and and thinking there is always one new trick around the corner. it's the "principal vs. technique " argument all over again. you break it down to the principal, in this case blood flow to the brain, and endless techniques can follow, only imagination limits the fighter. hell i remember watching keith hackney use a ranger/ tiger claw choke on joe son waaaay back in ufc history. great times in mma these days my friends, quantum leaps happening

[@Poorscousertommy1892]

The Robert Drysdale wristlock is the best defence to that.

[@jamesmiles1328]

Now osp choke got to change the name now,guy amazing at it

[@hallmarka1965]

Great video, should get a lot more views after UFC 171 :-).

[@husband1]

Best guillotine defense IMO. Also great if you're a fan of arm triangles like I am.

[@MrShamuto]

You can also hit this with one arm (opponent head side) if you're using the other arm to take pressure off the guillotine

[@Submissions101]

Thanks! Have a look at our main website under leg locks so you can see the techniques

[@ShakaUVM]

Yeah, he was in my guard, so it wasn't this move technically, but he's really good at the sort of general technique of driving into the neck and squeezing the opposite shoulder. You're right, it was creating the pressure of a choke, but not a full choke... I had to expend energy to get him away from me. BTW, love your videos. =)

[@sstrunks8000]

@AZrider47 This isn't really intended for people starting out in side position. It's actually supposed to happen during a full on (no arms trapped) guillotine in full guard. There's a special way of posting up and shaking out While choking them. Then go to this part

[@Submissions101]

Good! Smart move...some people do however and this is why you should not.

[@kirakira123were]

I remember that! It was a third round submission. Alex wanted to tap, but when he tried his arm went limp!

[@Submissions101]

because you are trapping his arm in the guillotine position with your body and you are using shoulder pressure to keep his head down and away from this legs.

[@counterhit121]

wow. cant believe this works. super excited to try it out.

[@STILLKNXCKS]

I'm here after Bonfim's fight on DWCS lol

[@guygoodwin]

Usually a white belt gets caught in this .. Hanging on for too long hahaha

[@rockhard2407]

This is very useful It works great for me because I have a lot of upper body weight and strength to use. I aways tried to just use my strength to pull away and Ive been close to "light out" strength dont work when the Guillotine choke is in tight. Thank you for the technique.

[@TheHardout2005]

You can do this if they pull guard as well, by looking towards their body to take the pressure off and standing upright but sprawled, with all of your weight on your choking-shoulder.

[@Submissions101]

Not so. It isn't about persistence. Its understanding leverage and body mechanics. That is why %99.9 of all jiu jitsu teachers will tell you to LET GO of the guillotine when you are on the bottom and your opponent is ON TOP in SIDE CONTROL. The person on top has leverage, body weight and technique on their side. I suggest joining a Jiu Jitsu gym and trying out your hypothesis with 20 students and see what occurs. Some people dont get video instructionals and just have to 'feel' it to believe it.

[@Reak55]

In this video, the victim doesn't even use his left arm for defending. He can easily prevent the choke by preventing the guy from moving to the side.

[@Keris123]

love the techniques, very well explained.. keep it up

[@macanachaparro3492]

La verdad hace años que veo UFC pero no sabia de este tipo de sumisión. Y se ve que es muy efectiva por lo rapido que tapea la víctima!!. Todos los días se aprende algo nuevo.. Por eso es tan lindo el MMA!!

[@streetdreamz210]

what the hell thats great i havnt learned this yet

[@Submissions101]

Because your arm and should are pressing against the sides of the neck where the arteries are not against the center of the throat.

[@dimecanal]

im so tired of guys grabing my neck like that , i just had a guy that had my neck like that in a competition .. it will never happen again ... i got this one now

[@blindwonder]

5 stars for that. I watched the pete snyder video and I did see a slight difference in that it looks like he uses his lower leg(leg by the hip) to monitor his opponents leg so they don't replace the guard. I don't know if that is an important detail or not. I can't wait to try it in class tonight. Hope all is well

[@didoit]

you guys are awesome id love to have a submissions match against u that way i could learn the 101 that i could tap out to ha. didnt have time to look though all your vids but do you have any foot/leg/ankle submission vids

[@JensPulverFan]

@Submissions101 I love that the name caught on as the Von Flume choke. I loved the Alex Karalexis fight when out of nowhere Von Flume puts him to sleep.

[@emaun423]

this is awesome. i will add this to my ground game for sure. Do you know how any videos on escaping it from the guard?

[@shawnkoolman1]

i love submissions 101

[@Submissions101]

miz: See our video on "How to defend the standing guillotine choke" to answer your question. Remember that is scrabbles, you can often get to the side while someone is trying to put this on. See it for what it's worth: A Side control guillotine escape

[@btraknis]

I just had this happen to me in the cage a couple nights ago. This is a choke I never saw coming so I wasn't defending, but trust me it has nothing to do willingness to tap, I was going to sleep.

[@aries6776]

@TheIjames Of course it's a good prevention because you'd seek to move your body to the opposite side of the head as a matter of course when caught in a guillotine, regardless of trying any submission. They'd be stupid to keep trying for the guillotine from that position as it's near impossible to finish.

[@WhooliganK]

Just watched a guy pull this Von Flue choke off perfectly and put his opponent out

[@ShakaUVM]

Heh, I wrestled Von Flue for a while today in BJJ -- cool guy. I was wondering what he was doing with that choke. He was in my guard though when I was trying to guillotine him, so it didn't work as well; I could control his body away from the choke. Annoying though, certainly.

[@subradiant_music]

I've had this happen to me, the von flue. It is no joke. It hurts, the only way u can defend it is if u let go of the gullitine.

[@imhassane]

As long as he doesn’t land on the side of Nate’s choking hand, he can get out of the guillotine. I’ve personally submitted many people who wouldn’t let go of the choke by using the Von Flu Choke on them but if you land on Nate’s choking hand side, it’s over.

[@pyro458]

I saw Von Flue do this choke in one of his fights, the guy didn't even know what hit em.

[@RyanOlander]

Man, I could have used this last night. I was in side guard just like that. I got out of it, but this would have been a lot better than what I did.

[@DanGan808]

Nice one, I'm gonna have to remember this one!

[@tomaszsmigielski8415]

OSP did it again

[@The1JD]

you can also get an arm triangle in the position after the take down

[@HomasterX]

Excellent Counter!

[@raztis1]

this is not a triangle based choke, it looks like it but its not. you dont even haveto lock your arms, its just better defense to do so. You just have to have the blade of your shoulder in his neck and bridge so your upper body weight is focussed on your shoulderblade its more of a pressure choke.

[@Cdallas5NXcowboyS]

This shall be renamed the Von Preux Choke.

[@Submissions101]

DB: Sure, the cross face is a great defense too. However, the side control guillotine is not a good position to be in and by taken advantage of the fact that a guys is still holding on, you can tap them out or choke them out by trapping them in that position. Check out Pete Snider on you tube /watch?v=bqZVfnSxSFE

[@DeeDubb1983]

Yeah, this is why you always let go of the guillotine once you lose half guard.

[@ggopnik844]

Very useful channel!!!!!!!★♥★★★★♥♥♥♥