Known by a few names, the "Von Flue Choke" is a great defense against a guillotine from side control.
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@liverpoolrft14 жыл бұрын
I won a pro mma fight with this choke on Sunday so it does work, sometimes when you shoot a double leg and the guy tries to guilotine you land him in side control and before he let's go of your neck you can trap the arm and start working the choke. It's a great sub and does work if you know how to do it properly. Keep up the good work Submissions 101.
@stevena92317 жыл бұрын
Who's here after ovince saint preux fight
@mkashiff15 жыл бұрын
He did it again
@michaelcarson89044 жыл бұрын
I am lol
@dekypradana2124 жыл бұрын
Me
@billybobjoe384 жыл бұрын
Which one? You have 3 to choose from (last I checked).
@michaelmurphy84954 жыл бұрын
Me as I had never seen it before.
@FightCommentary7 жыл бұрын
This is one of the coolest chokes ever.
@verx12363 жыл бұрын
W
@maxzhao83313 жыл бұрын
yo fight commentary breakdown!
@TheGoonie4159 жыл бұрын
whoa that's ridiculously crafty
@PlayGroundCHP7 жыл бұрын
The von preux choke*
@lorinandvesuvius61427 жыл бұрын
PlayGround LOL
@robloxgod69457 жыл бұрын
Good fight night lmao
@PlayGroundCHP7 жыл бұрын
SOB indeed
@domlalonde71117 жыл бұрын
PlayGround that's how it should be called lol
@PlayGroundCHP7 жыл бұрын
true haha
@bilalsyed53105 жыл бұрын
Ufc Copenhagen anyone ?
@betteldottel5 жыл бұрын
Yupp
@tj2flossy6035 жыл бұрын
Hahahah yup
@wierdwabbitt5 жыл бұрын
Right here
@stephanielopez62755 жыл бұрын
Lol hell yeah.
@keeganwerner368211 жыл бұрын
That's why I'm watching this too. I lost my fight last night because of this choke. I've been in MMA and BJJ for 10 years, and this is the first time anybody has done that to me. I never thought it was that affective until he locked it in.
@JBLAZALOT5 жыл бұрын
WHOS HERE AFTER ANOTHER von preaux choke
@gunterdapenguin5896 Жыл бұрын
Yo this is literally perfect for those newbies that just hold you in a head lock and don't let go as if their life depends on it, I was wrestling in school for fun and this guy didn't have any grappling experience except "wrestling with the bros" and he just got me in that headlock (I was still new to BJJ) and he didn't let go, I was on top and eventually won but my ear turned blue and swelled, next time I'll definitely try this out
@MikeCrawch Жыл бұрын
My Gunnery Sgt showed us this choke when we were in MCMAP going for our green belt. One of the most useful maneuvers he showed us and I loved it. Shoulder choke, calf crusher, karmura, Americana, and triangle chokes are my favorites.
@oogie448615 жыл бұрын
In my school we drill this escape. The key here, countering the guillotine, is to pass to side control before the choker closes the guard. Once the choker establishes full guard it is pretty hard to escape the guillotine. I find this counter to be the best way to defend against the guillotine, definitely a high percentage escape if done properly.
@RicoBeasty9011 жыл бұрын
I won bronze in my division at the WVGO in Clendinin, WV last month with this technique from full guard.
@retroboat-kj9gx3 ай бұрын
I just want to jump into the screen watching this. I miss the old days 😢😢 2007..
@k.j.jackson563710 жыл бұрын
Ovince Saint Preux (former TN Vol, Go Vols :D) used this against Nikita in UFC 171! It's rare and has hardly been done before. Ovince has the makings of a champion man.
@tvu867 жыл бұрын
K.J. Jackson Good call .. He did it against yushin okami yesterday lol
@SkynetT8005 жыл бұрын
Thanks for teaching me the move!👍 I was called an opportunist by a shellfish professional fighter for trying to learn as much as I can
@Submissions10116 жыл бұрын
What he was doing was getting the pressure of the choke. If he was cross side body on you, it is a WHOLE different story (tight shoulder choke). cheers and thanks for the comment!
@Commievn7 жыл бұрын
Von Preux brought me here.
@OsvaldoHurtado027 жыл бұрын
Brock McClain same here, can't wait to try it
@Numinor317 жыл бұрын
me too. first time i saw this shit heheheh
@rabiduspugnus13 жыл бұрын
also opens up [side control bottom] for an arm triangle, most people wont tap, but they will let go, the moment they do, drive your head to the floor and the arm triangle is pretty much there for the taking
@countdown543219 жыл бұрын
chad george brought me here
@WKrealestateNYC9 жыл бұрын
countdown54321 just saw his choke out. picture perfect technique by chad.
@CMora2309 жыл бұрын
countdown54321 same !
@felixofla1019 жыл бұрын
countdown54321 I trained over at PKG in 2009 and I saw Chad teaching class. He's a beast.That was a hell of a choke he did..
@maxanderson37332 ай бұрын
Thank you for the efficient and simple explanation
@vokaber1DMLUVBTKMVK2 жыл бұрын
I just seen someone execute this choke and the explanation given makes complete sense. Hadnt realized this was an actual choke, not a hold or submission.
@Submissions10117 жыл бұрын
yes..he pulled it on Alex Karalexis in TUF and Joe Rogan didn't know what to call it (it is an escape from jj but doesn't have a name per se)...so Joe said it was a "Von FLue choke" The name stuck.
@RNLarkin15 жыл бұрын
Great Video, I like the good verbal description. I am going to try to incorporate this technique into my arsenal of grappling techniques. I think this will be very useful to me because I am often forced to defend against a guillotine choke. Thanks for posting this video!!
@runthenumbers96983 жыл бұрын
One detail... particularly if you're broad shouldered. While you're pressing your shoulder, you should also be twisting your upper body to where your left shoulder, your right shoulder, and your right elbow form a straight line. Why? Because that forms a second stability point if your shoulders are broad enough. If your shoulders are broad enough, this will produce a stability point where you have secured his right forearm. since you can't pull any farther. This means that your right shoulder is now being pressed forward from 2 stability points. One on the floor, and one from his forearm.Two stability points means it's much easier to maintain pressure, and easier to choke deeper.
@Submissions10114 жыл бұрын
@TheIjames The rule of thumb is to let go of the guillotine when someone has cross side position on you. If you type in "Von Flue Choke" you find the video of Jason vs Alex in the UFC. Hope that helps!
@jack91x11 жыл бұрын
Von Flue is a person who used a shoulder choke from side control. Von Blut is a maneuver occasionally used in Berufsringen, and later in MMA. He did not invent the choke, he merely used it to TKO somebody, leading to the massive confusion of today (It'd be like if Kimora used a kimura, we'd all be confused) . My friend Colin Reichardt was a wrestling champion in Germany, he explained this to me at great length. Wikipedia it if you want. Allo, history here, clarifying your erroneous assumptions.
@oogie448615 жыл бұрын
thanks man, your videos are the real deal. Very easy to understand, step by step, and useful once i get to the gym. Appreciate all the work!
@MindofaJedi13 жыл бұрын
Von Flue has hit variations of this choke in 3 MMA wins! amazing creativity.
@Reunpack15 жыл бұрын
what you can do is, when you shoot in keep your arm up so your outside shoulder is up and next to your ear. I get caught up like that alot. Keeping my shoulder and arm up and not grabbing the back of his leg has helped alot. Keep your arms like that and fully commit to the takedown.
@Submissions10117 жыл бұрын
Depends. Jiu Jitsu is based on LEVERAGE so many moves do work or larger opponents. I am 180 and it works on my big students (235, 255 lbs). It really is a great choke and there is a fantastic video on You Tube of it working in a MMA match as well)
@Nenad-ICXC-Shuput-GFAMMA7 жыл бұрын
Great detail and quick video. Awesome
@marcuss0114 жыл бұрын
i tried this on training last night. it totally worked! thanks!
@jnever97685 жыл бұрын
back again after the ovince saint preux fight
@Sir_Flopsalot9 жыл бұрын
I just saw a clip of this and didn't understand what happened, this helps thank you.
@jeromed22 жыл бұрын
Just learned that move after Gabriel Bonfim won by it, in UFC :-) Nnnice! Nice to know for self-defense too..Listen, I've been following UFC since early 2000 and I don't remember having seen that submission before. Can you imagine?!
@masterblastertkd15 жыл бұрын
I may be wrong, but i think the difference is that with an arm triangle, you are using carotid control, cutting off the blood flow to the brain, whereas this choke is cutting off air. It's also a lot more painful than a carotid choke.
@dynamite9253 жыл бұрын
Alonzo Menifield just demonstrated how dangerous this choke is
@Scarface946216 жыл бұрын
Also just an add on, when you hug down on their shoulders to release the pressure of the guillotine use your body weight as leverage and be careful not to work yourself deeper into the choke. Also, you can use your knee against the back of his knee to make the take down easier, especially against a resisting opponent.
@Submissions10117 жыл бұрын
No Evan, the fact that you have side control makes the guillotine not very effective because the leverage isn't there (ie: in full guard using your legs to stretch them out.)
@jGilmour18916 жыл бұрын
I remember when Von Flue pulled that off. Good call on the naming. I think he referred to it as his custom shoulder
@jorgep110 жыл бұрын
bad ass! UFC 171
@jack91x11 жыл бұрын
Wikipedia Chokehold. Or Kata gatame (an extremely similar shoulder choke from side control that fell out of favor because of difficulty of use), Kesa-gatame, or shoulder choke, et cetera ad nauseum, and you will see that he did not invent it. Yes, many people call it that because he popularized it. Just because many people do something doesn't make it right- many people cross their ankles during a straight armbar. Hell, Würgegriff von Blut is literally German for "blood choke".
@Submissions10116 жыл бұрын
nope...problem is, some refs DON'T know the jj or submission game that well, so they don't know how some moves affect the body (case in point the video I mentioned).
@Submissions10115 жыл бұрын
this is a great counter submission and it doesn't have to be done from a take down. Search the von flue choke on You tube and you'll see it pulled off in life MMA matches! I love this move and it works great.
@DojKim14 жыл бұрын
man this channel rules..
@batmangsxr3007 жыл бұрын
Guillotine choke attempts are so common, why is the von flue so rare in the ufc? Mind blown!
@tooflessdan16 жыл бұрын
if u can get under his hips before the sprawl, you can lever him over for the sweep.. good head control prevents guard replacement.. not everyone will tap to that
@HardCoreProgrammer113 жыл бұрын
very nice,... I am planning to watch all your videos
@detroitr13 жыл бұрын
This is one used by Jeremy Horn in Bully Beatdown in season 3 # 2, never heard of it before, thanks for this video
@Submissions10115 жыл бұрын
Well said. You must establish side control or this counter will not work.
@L.Santos1111 жыл бұрын
shi t . i got in that position 2 days ago in a competion in the start of the fight.... if i had watched that movie i would economy many minutes( breath and energy haha) in my fight, happy i won by points. great video ;) ... i hope to have that opportunity to make that lock again :D
@rille3114 жыл бұрын
I nactually saw this once in a UFC fight, the bottom guy went to sleep :)
@prowrestlerfighter7 жыл бұрын
some super cool underused submission
@BradYaeger12 жыл бұрын
remember watching this choke for the first time and and thinking there is always one new trick around the corner. it's the "principal vs. technique " argument all over again. you break it down to the principal, in this case blood flow to the brain, and endless techniques can follow, only imagination limits the fighter. hell i remember watching keith hackney use a ranger/ tiger claw choke on joe son waaaay back in ufc history. great times in mma these days my friends, quantum leaps happening
@Poorscousertommy189211 жыл бұрын
The Robert Drysdale wristlock is the best defence to that.
@jamesmiles13284 жыл бұрын
Now osp choke got to change the name now,guy amazing at it
@hallmarka196510 жыл бұрын
Great video, should get a lot more views after UFC 171 :-).
@husband113 жыл бұрын
Best guillotine defense IMO. Also great if you're a fan of arm triangles like I am.
@MrShamuto12 жыл бұрын
You can also hit this with one arm (opponent head side) if you're using the other arm to take pressure off the guillotine
@Submissions10116 жыл бұрын
Thanks! Have a look at our main website under leg locks so you can see the techniques
@ShakaUVM16 жыл бұрын
Yeah, he was in my guard, so it wasn't this move technically, but he's really good at the sort of general technique of driving into the neck and squeezing the opposite shoulder. You're right, it was creating the pressure of a choke, but not a full choke... I had to expend energy to get him away from me. BTW, love your videos. =)
@sstrunks800013 жыл бұрын
@AZrider47 This isn't really intended for people starting out in side position. It's actually supposed to happen during a full on (no arms trapped) guillotine in full guard. There's a special way of posting up and shaking out While choking them. Then go to this part
@Submissions10114 жыл бұрын
Good! Smart move...some people do however and this is why you should not.
@kirakira123were15 жыл бұрын
I remember that! It was a third round submission. Alex wanted to tap, but when he tried his arm went limp!
@Submissions10117 жыл бұрын
because you are trapping his arm in the guillotine position with your body and you are using shoulder pressure to keep his head down and away from this legs.
@counterhit1217 жыл бұрын
wow. cant believe this works. super excited to try it out.
@STILLKNXCKS2 жыл бұрын
I'm here after Bonfim's fight on DWCS lol
@guygoodwin7 жыл бұрын
Usually a white belt gets caught in this .. Hanging on for too long hahaha
@rockhard240716 жыл бұрын
This is very useful It works great for me because I have a lot of upper body weight and strength to use. I aways tried to just use my strength to pull away and Ive been close to "light out" strength dont work when the Guillotine choke is in tight. Thank you for the technique.
@TheHardout200515 жыл бұрын
You can do this if they pull guard as well, by looking towards their body to take the pressure off and standing upright but sprawled, with all of your weight on your choking-shoulder.
@Submissions10111 жыл бұрын
Not so. It isn't about persistence. Its understanding leverage and body mechanics. That is why %99.9 of all jiu jitsu teachers will tell you to LET GO of the guillotine when you are on the bottom and your opponent is ON TOP in SIDE CONTROL. The person on top has leverage, body weight and technique on their side. I suggest joining a Jiu Jitsu gym and trying out your hypothesis with 20 students and see what occurs. Some people dont get video instructionals and just have to 'feel' it to believe it.
@Reak5511 жыл бұрын
In this video, the victim doesn't even use his left arm for defending. He can easily prevent the choke by preventing the guy from moving to the side.
@Keris12314 жыл бұрын
love the techniques, very well explained.. keep it up
@macanachaparro34924 жыл бұрын
La verdad hace años que veo UFC pero no sabia de este tipo de sumisión. Y se ve que es muy efectiva por lo rapido que tapea la víctima!!. Todos los días se aprende algo nuevo.. Por eso es tan lindo el MMA!!
@streetdreamz21014 жыл бұрын
what the hell thats great i havnt learned this yet
@Submissions10116 жыл бұрын
Because your arm and should are pressing against the sides of the neck where the arteries are not against the center of the throat.
@dimecanal7 жыл бұрын
im so tired of guys grabing my neck like that , i just had a guy that had my neck like that in a competition .. it will never happen again ... i got this one now
@blindwonder17 жыл бұрын
5 stars for that. I watched the pete snyder video and I did see a slight difference in that it looks like he uses his lower leg(leg by the hip) to monitor his opponents leg so they don't replace the guard. I don't know if that is an important detail or not. I can't wait to try it in class tonight. Hope all is well
@didoit16 жыл бұрын
you guys are awesome id love to have a submissions match against u that way i could learn the 101 that i could tap out to ha. didnt have time to look though all your vids but do you have any foot/leg/ankle submission vids
@JensPulverFan14 жыл бұрын
@Submissions101 I love that the name caught on as the Von Flume choke. I loved the Alex Karalexis fight when out of nowhere Von Flume puts him to sleep.
@emaun42314 жыл бұрын
this is awesome. i will add this to my ground game for sure. Do you know how any videos on escaping it from the guard?
@shawnkoolman114 жыл бұрын
i love submissions 101
@Submissions10117 жыл бұрын
miz: See our video on "How to defend the standing guillotine choke" to answer your question. Remember that is scrabbles, you can often get to the side while someone is trying to put this on. See it for what it's worth: A Side control guillotine escape
@btraknis11 жыл бұрын
I just had this happen to me in the cage a couple nights ago. This is a choke I never saw coming so I wasn't defending, but trust me it has nothing to do willingness to tap, I was going to sleep.
@aries677613 жыл бұрын
@TheIjames Of course it's a good prevention because you'd seek to move your body to the opposite side of the head as a matter of course when caught in a guillotine, regardless of trying any submission. They'd be stupid to keep trying for the guillotine from that position as it's near impossible to finish.
@WhooliganK10 жыл бұрын
Just watched a guy pull this Von Flue choke off perfectly and put his opponent out
@ShakaUVM16 жыл бұрын
Heh, I wrestled Von Flue for a while today in BJJ -- cool guy. I was wondering what he was doing with that choke. He was in my guard though when I was trying to guillotine him, so it didn't work as well; I could control his body away from the choke. Annoying though, certainly.
@subradiant_music13 жыл бұрын
I've had this happen to me, the von flue. It is no joke. It hurts, the only way u can defend it is if u let go of the gullitine.
@imhassane Жыл бұрын
As long as he doesn’t land on the side of Nate’s choking hand, he can get out of the guillotine. I’ve personally submitted many people who wouldn’t let go of the choke by using the Von Flu Choke on them but if you land on Nate’s choking hand side, it’s over.
@pyro45814 жыл бұрын
I saw Von Flue do this choke in one of his fights, the guy didn't even know what hit em.
@RyanOlander16 жыл бұрын
Man, I could have used this last night. I was in side guard just like that. I got out of it, but this would have been a lot better than what I did.
@DanGan80811 жыл бұрын
Nice one, I'm gonna have to remember this one!
@tomaszsmigielski84155 жыл бұрын
OSP did it again
@The1JD14 жыл бұрын
you can also get an arm triangle in the position after the take down
@HomasterX13 жыл бұрын
Excellent Counter!
@raztis115 жыл бұрын
this is not a triangle based choke, it looks like it but its not. you dont even haveto lock your arms, its just better defense to do so. You just have to have the blade of your shoulder in his neck and bridge so your upper body weight is focussed on your shoulderblade its more of a pressure choke.
@Cdallas5NXcowboyS7 жыл бұрын
This shall be renamed the Von Preux Choke.
@Submissions10117 жыл бұрын
DB: Sure, the cross face is a great defense too. However, the side control guillotine is not a good position to be in and by taken advantage of the fact that a guys is still holding on, you can tap them out or choke them out by trapping them in that position. Check out Pete Snider on you tube /watch?v=bqZVfnSxSFE
@DeeDubb198314 жыл бұрын
Yeah, this is why you always let go of the guillotine once you lose half guard.