Catalonia’s independence movement, explained

[@adonisparts1343]

Ironically Spain's right-wing party is called VOX, not really relevant to the video, just thought it was funny.

[@victorhernandezmadueno8927]

VOX is a spanish right-wing party, not far-right. Far-right would be La Falange.

[@pepitogrillo3368]

It’s a right wing party not a far right party, if you’re going to spread lies just don’t comment at all

[@speedwagon1824]

@@victorhernandezmadueno8927 He fixed it

[@speedwagon1824]

@@pepitogrillo3368 He fixed it

[@roxysponge3447]

@@victorhernandezmadueno8927 are they anti capitalists?

[@severisuttinen5492]

Catalonia won't become an EU-member because all of the current members have to accept catalonia, and Spain won't do that if they manage to get independent

[@Boxbeat666]

Why would they want to be in the eu it's a carbon taxed German run dictatorship

[@ibrahimmalik9730]

They will eventually recognize them same happened when bangladesh was separated from Pakistan

[@youcantalwaysgetwhatyouwan6687]

United States doesn't recognized Catalonia, and there's 100% sure that USA will veto Catalan's UN membership

[@UkrozaVR]

I read California first time and was very confused :)

[@regnoditalia7711]

if catalonia leaves they migh be richer than spain so spain could get kicked tbh

[@lilchiliflake]

Don't forget that spain has a veto right in the EU. So if Catalania would become independent and apply for a EU membership, Spain could veto and keep them out.

[@JakoTheWacko]

I'm 80% sure they're not on the security council

[@Callis57]

Security Council is the UN not EU. Within the EU all 27 members have to agree to let another nation join.

[@dominikdrobisz6924]

they can always join EFTA and thats like being in the EU, but not having a right to vote.

[@Wasserkaktus]

The Separatists are such morons. If Greece can prevent Macedonia from any closer integration with the EU simply because the. Slavic Macedonians named their nation Macedonia, then how the hell do they not assume a furious, divorced Spain wouldn't be even worse?

[@plumtree83]

Dominik Drobisz Idk. It seems legit, but if there's Spain in EU, they probably make it hard make for Catalan to join EFTA or EU. Bitter political history probably hinder it.

[@spanishmasterpieces5203]

Spain has more cultures than you think! Andalusian culture, Asturian culture etc.

[@tajsonpjetri2948]

Basques are same with Galicia s??

[@andgames9805]

@@tajsonpjetri2948 No, they're completely different. The Basque is a pre-roman language while Galician are the predecessor of the Portuguese.

[@tajsonpjetri2948]

@@andgames9805 no i mean they are the same race?

[@andgames9805]

@@tajsonpjetri2948 Race? Are you talking about skin color?

[@tajsonpjetri2948]

@@andgames9805 and language

[@valentins.2637]

Last time I was this early Spain had an empire

[@newname5403]

Your not early your slightly late

[@adamleon9128]

Old asf

[@marcelguillen9235]

OH Snap!

[@isunlloaoll]

Well, technically, they still have a couple of colonies in Morocco. So they can still be called an empire, however thats politically incorrect.

[@valentins.2637]

ARVIN Meh more like terretories

[@ragilmalik]

so, catalonia asked EU for help to separate from Spain while spain is one of the most well-respected members in EU ? that's like if palestine asking U.S to help fighting Israel. you can't get more wrong from that

[@mell9591]

Malik no. We didn’t ask for help to separate. We get they need to side with Spain. We asked them to ensure that Spain acted democratically, which it is not doing. So long for the European values...

[@nilfabra9505]

Are you aware all the south of Europe is known as pigs that don't pay taxes and that includes Spain.

[@victoriabercovitz3669]

Nil Fabra you must be stupid if you think spaniards do not pay taxes. I work in the EU, and that is false, everyone contributes.....

[@irthamepali]

nah you are a fat pig that think that we dont pay taxes our govs are corrupt

[@FreedomLovin]

"Well respected"? 18% unemployment rates, hmm

[@fabriziovillafranco991]

That's what every country does, the richer states or regions support the poorest within the country, that's how it works.

[@ivanbregar1646]

Fabrizio Villafranco Why should they? You make it sound like catalonia ows something to spain. Every nation can make its own choises. What you are advertising is wealth destribution or socialism. No wonder spain is a failed state.

[@fabriziovillafranco991]

ivan bregar I'm not advertising socialism .That's how it works here in the USA, the richer states support the poorest that's how counties are able to maintain a nation.

[@jonathanarroyo6319]

@@ivanbregar1646 Catalonia wouldn't have any infrastructure if not for spain. You guys are just cheap

[@michaelgatan6663]

@@jonathanarroyo6319 lol because it's not as if catalonia is paying taxes to the spanish government, money that they could be using themselves to pay for infrastructure if they had their own government

[@spannymakronkeep8673]

@@michaelgatan6663 or be squirreling away in Andorra and Switzerland.

[@UkrozaVR]

There so many separatists movements around the World.

[@zusiphesikayi2390]

I hope they reap Europe apart and leave the rest of world alone.

[@patrickdevine8922]

KZbin authorities so you do not believe in democracy ?

[@UkrozaVR]

but I really want Ukraine to be united and strong to be safe from putler.

[@patrickdevine8922]

KZbin authorities so do u want all states in a country that want independence to be independent?

[@patrickdevine8922]

KZbin authorities do u support the Kurds independence and separatist movements in Europe cause I think we need strong united countries in Europe and not a mess of little independent nations

[@dflatt1783]

Richer regions support the poorer regions of a nation, that's how nations work.

[@hensolo8825]

Anna A N Look up your facts this is not Vox the political party, this is Vox the news agency. You cringe

[@comradeallie]

@@_blank-_ this is correct

[@juanito7917]

and the poor also support the rich by offering their services for a low price, its called an economy

[@grumpino8246]

@@hensolo8825 IM DYING WTF JDKEJFKR

[@TheHidben]

@@Annahappychristmas hahah estos no son de VOX españa... madre mia hahaha

[@andevm5922]

Taxes in Spain are paid NOT depending on the region you are, but the amount of money you earn. Spain do NOT tax Catalans more than other regions.

[@Bouceli]

If they make more money on average then they will get taxed more than other regions. Making more money on average is made possible by hosting a greater share of more highly lucrative industries.

[@felipevi8554]

Allright.

[@orioljorbaferro6692]

It's not true. A lot of taxes depends on the autonomies: IRPF for example.

[@drizm9257]

stop leeching on poor catalans

[@barraman.]

lmfao in other central regions of Spain we have got to pay almost high taxes as Catalonia and we are not asking for independence XD

[@vihangsupare95]

All I'm thinking about is its consequences on La Liga

[@cityuser]

lol

[@xXluisbestXx]

If anything it would be like Monaco in Ligue 1

[@iVince905]

Madrid (Atletico and Real) would run the spanish league for the next 100 years lol

[@thedeafmusician]

All i think is that people who gets worred about football probably never had had a brain... football is a way of control... open your eyes

[@diegobracho4963]

No more El Clasico 😩😩😩

[@kangaroo4847]

I mean, isn’t that how a country works? New York gives money to Mississippi to support the other parts of their country, England gives to Scotland and Wales, Mexico City gives to Chiapas because that’s just how nations function

[@sangpham9871]

Thats not really. I, myself, would be very happy to support my country, but in return, I would want more development to my city. Many times, cities and rich regions in a country are neglected as a money basket. Politicians don't usually give those regions the support they need to improve their life. My city, for example, has highways that small and no subway, a classroom has 40 students each and hospitals are way too small. Even though the countryside, that has a school that is too big, like with swimming pools. My school has to share a swimming pool with 3 other schools.

[@papi8659]

You mean LONDON gives money to England. Scotland and Wales... time for a proper independence movement

[@sayita03]

@@sangpham9871 True, but in the case of Catalonia they've literally benefited more from infrastructures than many other parts of Spain. Some places on the poorer regions still have roads from the 19th century and the vote of places like Leon literally count less than of Catalonia or Madrid.

[@isaacw1752]

england and scotland and wales are all their own countries that are part of the uk. also scotland has historically given far more money to england than it has recieved in return, especially with our oil (more oil than norway btw) because we don't have control over it.

[@deeptiranjanbehera537]

@@sangpham9871 Why not create city states instead? Why should New York support Kansas? They should grow their own food instead or import from Kansas and increase already a very high cost of living. Brilliant idea!!!

[@catvu869]

For 20 seconds, I thought they were talking about California and wondering why they felt Spanish.

[@melinamanolass2733]

Bruh 😂

[@Luisyz_]

Well they were part of mexico once lol

[@Joedoeem]

swaizland changed its name for sounding the same as swisserland

[@andres1945]

@@Luisyz_ they were spanish for a long time too, like florida, texas, arizona, etc

[@wordart_guian]

didn't california use to be in spain? or mexico

[@iagogrande6413]

Congratulations, I'm from Spain, this video explains really well the situation. Although there's some information missing, this is the most objective explanation from a foreign media channel I've seen so far.

[@jefflokanata]

I thought Basque have more differences to Spain than Catalonia? And if tax is the problem, imagine this.. Do you want metropolitan city seperate from farmland just because farmland pay tax less than metropolitan city?

[@summ466]

they have but all are similar to the rest of spain.

[@justsamoo3480]

Ronald Actually basque culture is much different to per say Andalusian

[@eb.3764]

@@sergioarbesu5347 they're in the occitan language family actually

[@fajarsetiawan8665]

EXACTLY!!!

[@hamstercheng4951]

They have every right to independence. Have you seen the oppression from Spain on the Catalans?

[@stanleycanada9432]

"We are catalan, we feel Catalan, we speak Catalan and its another culture" um come to India, Papua new Guinea and Philippines that every regions speaks different languages and have different cultures and identity

[@samirpsalim]

But not everyone in India is forced to speak Hindi

[@adamender9092]

But Spain is enforcing one ethnicity on them unlike India

[@WindyVinzy]

Indonesia too

[@juanmola2000]

@@adamender9092 Is it though? How would they be forcing it? By the way Spain was made when they put a democracy, every Autonomy (Catalonia being one of them) has its own elections, congress and president, and has control over Education, Healthcare and most services, infrastructure and properties. Catalonia is in fact a special case because they have more power than other autonomies, having their own police force, being Catalan an official language (same status as Spanish) and having many other things from a special status. Where is the imposition coming from if they control everything but the money they collect from taxes, and ironically Catalonia receives back more money from Spain than the one it sends from tax collection? I see no way anyone can impose anything on Catalonia honestly. And the hundreds of free and peaceful protests that have been carried out (and had a massive impact mind you) would indicate me quite the opposite.

[@popularunity386]

@@juanmola2000 Education is carried by the spanish ministerio, the autonomies only have "counselors".

[@crewcutter2030]

Wow, everyone wants to be independent, wont be long untill each house is his own country.

[@jer9042]

crewcutter2030 😂😂

[@tirthankarsarkar4206]

Exactly my thoughts 😂

[@miguelnunez2415]

crewcutter2030 like California wants to separate from the usa

[@sambee4927]

It's better that way. God made us naturally dislike each other in Babylon for a reason. Because humanity being united apart from God is tragic. We should all be united under Jesus Christ. If we can't, forget about unity because humanism or human unity apart from God is the highest form of evil.

[@LeonGaban]

Sam Bee oh get the hell out of here with that nonsense

[@paulagutierrez7391]

you left out how catalonia benefited from all the infrastructure and factories while the poorer regions have railways from the 19th century

[@claudiabeltran6381]

The first train in Spain was in Barcelona, furthermore, the trains in these years advanced so low... Catalonia didn't benefite until 20th

[@IgnacioGlezCllo]

@@claudiabeltran6381 What about all the investment for the 1992 olympics; what about the SEAT factory, and so on!?

[@irenevinas9675]

catalonia benefited, yes, but others cities too so Catalonia is as important as all cities in Spain.

[@IgnacioGlezCllo]

Irene Viñas ‘as important’ of course, not more. Despite what Más, Puigdemont and Torra have said, there’s no real animosity towards Catalans.

[@lavencdetavertet]

Not exactly true Paula. The infrastructure and factories were set up in Catalunya because the initiative and workforce was in the North. it was Franco who encouraged poorer parts of Spain to emigrate and work in Catalunya in the 50s and 60s where they were generally very welcome and have become so Catalan that many of them also want independence 50 years on. The poorer regions of Spain at the moment have free modern motorways, as they should, the fastest trains in Europe, good hospitals and good schools and this has been a successful distribution of wealth which the Catalans applauded and help to set up from 1979 onwards. The issue and crisis is not about this at all. It is based on a deep resentment of not being respected or listened to, despite contributing more that 20% of the GDP.

[@makailacuster4990]

this video literally was posted the day I was given a project about this topic and it helps a lot thanks @Vox

[@gaming10701]

How'd you fare with the project?

[@borgerchainsaw1016]

@@gaming10701 ^^

[@no4869]

Britain: *Go to your room Scotland, no independence for you today*

[@kakalimukherjee3297]

Northern Ireland as well XDD

[@james06598]

@@kakalimukherjee3297 Not really. We’re still British and we want to be ;)

[@c4lumm4c]

@@james06598 nah "we" don't

[@james06598]

@@c4lumm4c “You” don’t, Majority are unionist, at least for now. could that change? It’s very possible, but for now, majority want to be in the United Kingdom 🇬🇧

[@stangota5187]

Isn't Scottish king the one who conquer England and form UK ? (Jame Stuart)

[@fcopr]

This is really poorly explained

[@danieldato6213]

Estoy de acuerdo, yo vivo en cataluña y explican todo como si los independentistas fueran la victima y eso no es verdad( aunque algunos indepes tambien sufren)

[@RakeshSingh-we4ht]

Educate us plz

[@Npoooo_]

Tal cual...

[@huuuphuuup6312]

Or maybe u mean its not explained as "U Want It"?!?😀.

[@IgnacioGlezCllo]

@@huuuphuuup6312 No, it really is poorly explained, and I'm surprised VOX hasn't published an updated piece.

[@dyxasofficial]

I'm BISAYA, I FEEL BISAYA, I SPEAK BISAYA, and it is another culture, but I AM FILIPINO, there are more dialects in my country than your country but we choose to be united despite of our differences!!

[@merceq1]

IT'S NOT JUST THE LANGUAGE, IT'S MUCH MORE

[@hetaeramancer]

@@merceq1 still not a good idea, besides they will never be part of the european union and not all people in catalonia are happy with it, especially people living in barcelona..

[@Kenooe]

Welp, you as a nation became independent from Spain for that reason (yes, and because of the way the islands were ruled, the economy, etc. I'm not defending Catalonia though) 😂😂

[@jonasfelisilda5777]

@@merceq1 bisaya also have their culture and it's very different from the rest of our country.

[@leve632]

and tell me do you get the taxes worth of governement probably yes catalonia doues not

[@4125730]

Irony that richer people are demanding better life!

[@korth26]

We are not all rich. I'm from there.

[@ochoahighs98]

@Almogàver el catalan esta reconocido como uno de los idiomas oficiales dentro la constitución española, en Francia el francés es el único idioma reconocido, ustedes solo quieren sentirse ofendidos por cualquier tontería

[@jonathanarroyo6319]

@Almogàver por lo que yo veo los catalan que quieren independencia solamente lo quieren por no pagar impuestos lol

[@jonathanarroyo6319]

@Almogàver no es lo que digo. simplemente no veo la ventaja de seperarse de espana y de la union europea si no por el no querer pagar impuestos (o pagar menos impuestos). Son muy ricos en catalonia y los pobres dependen de ustedes. La gente pobre por lo general no se quiere separar en comparacion con los ricos. No es una locura pensar que los ricos de catalonia simplemente son codicios

[@jonathanarroyo6319]

@Almogàver no soy de espana y no se como es el sistema de impuestos en tu pais pero me imagino que la gente pobre pagaria menos impuestos que la gente rica. Como pais yo pensaria que es su deber mantener a la gente que es menos fortunada. Por eso me imagino que la gente pobre en catalonia no quiere irse de espana. Me enfoco mucho por el dinero porque no veo una razon por la cual catalonia se quiera librar de espana. Si mo lo quieres explicar, me gustaria escuchar.

[@queennora6944]

I am from Barcelona and no one of my friends and family want to stay in Spain, but I feel more Spanish than Catalan 🇪🇸♥️

[@jonfee5081]

I hope you guys win every el Classico I am a fan

[@ale-co6gt]

SUGAR COOKIE Oleee!! Viva España 🇪🇸🇪🇸 :)

[@ale-co6gt]

@Painter Tus muertos 😒

[@sule75606]

Free catalonia

[@akulakaboom]

Catalunya Lliure!

[@MrAizatazmi]

Last time I was this early Spain was under umayyad rule

[@MrAizatazmi]

Last time I was this early Spain was under Carthage rule

[@m.rizalarvandy4510]

Last time saw this early most of Spaniards are Celts

[@ՀովսեփԽաշունի]

Last time I was this early, Spain was composed of Basques and Aquitanians.

[@antomy5900]

Last time I was this early king alfanso is still alive(learn that from CK2)

[@dendenmushi9915]

Last time I was there, Dinosaurs still alive. Nice to meet all of my ancient alien brothers

[@frandsenphilip1]

First, thanks for the explanation. Splitting off from Spain would be bad for Catalonia - it is increasingly harder in the current world for a small geographical unit to be as successful for a larger one.

[@jaisbrennan7696]

who are u to tell people what they can or can't do?

[@disbauxa]

@@jaisbrennan7696 Philip Frandsen

[@blecao]

@@jaisbrennan7696 Literally he has only say that it would be bad not "no you cant do it" so at least awnser what he is saying

[@zhcultivator]

except if you are a tax haven, maybe lol

[@janfungusamon4926]

who needs success when you have freedom, autonomy, and equality?

[@jaypandya1346]

If everybody starts to do this then the world will be a literally broken place

[@Joedoeem]

true if all the united countries and the ones with different regions split up there would be like 10k countries and more micronations

[@gabor6259]

Because the world is not already a broken place.

[@BadDictator]

@@gabor6259 it would become "more" broken

[@jaisbrennan7696]

@@BadDictator no, it would become more free

[@mekingtiger9095]

@@BadDictator I see it as a good thing.

[@Ruonerful]

I'm from Barcelona and I'm SO fed up with the independence movement. The separatists have polarized the society and made a huge ammount of people feel like they are strangers in their own home. Half of the population here is afraid to speak out because of how irrational the separatists have become. Its a sad situation in which the ones who want to overcome a greedy romantic nationalism are generally overrided by being ilogically called opressors or fascists (??). I have friends all over Spain and really saddens me to have to feel like a criminal just because I want to keep belonging together.

[@taraevasophea7743]

I hope everything is well now in Barcelona, i hardly hear any bad news from that beautiful region lately, accept FC Barca 😂😂

[@mattjohnston2]

Quebec is similar here in Canada, but with less hostility.

[@Tryingmybestsince1999]

They will declare their independence and then apologize. The government will declare illegal the independence and then apologize too :D

[@jizzinmylaundry]

Matt Johnston Canadians are known for not standing up for themselves

[@mattjohnston2]

The Don no, we stand up for ourselves, it's just not the spectacle that others make sometimes.

[@scottsbarbarossalogic3665]

Quebec's culture is very distinct from the rest of Canada; however, they receive the highest amount of the Equalization Payments($22.7 billion this year [1]), and thus would likely be unable to support themselves as a nation. Both legal referendums have been 'No' to separation is the past, and as recent as 2016, most Quebecois were against separation[2] 1 www.fin.gc.ca/fedprov/mtp-eng.asp 2 www.cbc.ca/news/canada/montreal/quebec-angus-reid-canada-indepdence-1.3788110

[@Wasserkaktus]

Matt Johnston Quebecoise would be the biggest morons in the Americas if they split. The rest of Canada has literally made French one of the official languages across the entire nation to placate them, and Canada's biggest political dynasty are Quebecoise. Why they hell they think they are so different and more special than other Canadians is beyond me.

[@marq7486]

In a nutshell: Catalonia earns more money than any other part of Spain, but Catalonia has to pay to the other parts of Spain to keep them functioning well. Catalonia obviously does not like this because they want to use their money for themselves and become independent as they already have their own language. Catalonia won’t be able to become independent, it just can’t happen, Without Catalonia, Spain will be critical.

[@luishernandezblonde]

Catalonia for Spain reminds me how Chechnya being ruled by Russia, albeit with a more democratic facade.

[@alejandromifsut6671]

Madrid makes way more money

[@jesussanchezherrero5659]

Yeap have you guys studied Spanish History 101? Do you know why Catalonia (well, basically Barcelona) has a more solid industrial network than other regions in Spain? Isnt this a common feature of nations tho? California in US, Milan in Italy, London in UK, etc.

[@jfarinhote]

Breaking down a country's self determination to a financial situation its not what's this all about. Catalans would trade the better finances for a fully independant state imo.

[@jesussanchezherrero5659]

@@jfarinhote first, they wouldn't but, paradoxically, they actually are right now. Secondly, there cannot be self-determination for a territory that has never been a country.

[@espr7564]

Not all Catalonians want independence!! At least 50% want to be a part of Spain.

[@naa5972]

Lets just do vote like quebec and Scotland... It is simple if half wants remain than why are spain not even giving Catalonia voting right....

[@hectormonfort1295]

Yeah let them vote

[@TheLostPrimarch2nd]

@@hectormonfort1295 that would ba a great plan..... If the last time the secessionist and independentists hadn't falsify the votes, filling the urns with apers in favor of the independence..... Before the vote even started. A guys voted for the independence 6 times, in 6 different places. So, if the vote was held by Catalunya, it would obviously be a yes, mainly Beacouse of all of the corruption and lies.

[@henfer7687]

the most of they are immigrants from other parts of spain

[@alexsecall7569]

@@TheLostPrimarch2nd you just invented that man. Ridiculous

[@thelaffingllama]

The classic question of what defines nationality. We here in europe seem to think that a language or a difference in culture is justification for independence but the rest of the world disagrees.

[@MNalias]

This is so stupid. IF they were opressed, IF they were robbed, they had a point. But these are just toddlers who get the biggest slice of cake and are crying that they have to give a smal part of that to someone else.

[@daviddelafuente1195]

Of course subtitles are manipulated. The man who said that "secesion is not good for Spain" is false. He said that is not good for Cataluña. Despidan a su traductor jajajaja

[@luisss3929]

Lee bien. Los subtitulos dicen que no es una buena idea independizarse de españa. Nunca dicen que sea malo para españa. Te quejas y ni leer sabes

[@PancracioProductions]

El que no sabe traducir eres tú.

[@1987Marineta]

I'm Spanish but I'm not Catalan, nor do I want Catalonia to be independent from Spain (for various reasons). But you cannot deny that Catalunya feels like a different country. Not only is the language completely different, but the food, traditions, holidays, culture in general is so different that you cannot compare it to Spain. One of my friends from Sweden was telling me how she went to Spain for Christmas and did traditional ''Spanish'' things like ''caga tió'' and ate ''sopa de galets'' and ''butifarra d'ou'', and i'm 100% sure that if you go outside of Catalonia, other spaniards will have 0 idea what she was talking about.

[@herodess]

So what? Do we want states culturally and ethnically clean now? There are plenty of countries where multiculturalism is accepted, where different languages and lifestyles live together in harmony and tolerance. Spain is made from different cultures and identities, like many other countries, and that is desirable and sane way to live in democracy. Intolerants want to rise walls, to divide by ethnicities. Let that not happen in Europe again.

[@1987Marineta]

@@herodess you're a hypocrite if you think Spain respects multiple cultures. Parties like PP, Cs and VOX are literally trying to ban Catalan from schools. In Menorca (my island) they're trying to remove the right to be seen by a doctor in catalan, our language. They want a Spain with Madrid in the middle, where no territories have a say. And they're achieving it, at least in the Balearic islands.

[@herodess]

@@1987Marineta That's what you'd like. You'd love seeing Vox ruling the country so you could play the victim once more. But bad news for you, the left will rule the country, your rights will be respected and you'll have no reason to complaint. And please, stop lying, no one, not even the most radicals, want to ban Catalan (mallorquín). They just don't want it to be mandatory, which is quite different.

[@xopvid2060]

Language completelly different??? OMG!

[@xopvid2060]

And if you go to Galicia, you'll know waht are "filloas de sangre", and if you go to Andalussia you'll eat "salmorejo", or in Basque lands "marmitako", or Extremadura "migas", or in Castilla "sopa de ajo", or in Canarias "mojo picòn", or in Madrid "gallinejas", or... My God, THAT MEANS D I V E R S I T Y. Not only Catalonia is diverse... Welcome to Spain!! Catalonia is not special, that's only POLITICS.

[@ASDFH-sz8yh]

I’m from of Barcelona! Spain is not a dictationship! Catalonia is an autonomist region with more develop powers than Scotland o Quebec! The nacionalist are crazy. Much people in Catalonia feel spanish! Television manipulates people! 🇪🇸🇪🇸

[@dosescopetastengo6581]

Pero que me estás contando... Si pones Antena3, Telecinco, La Sexta etc.. Sacan imágenes de un grupo de gente con esteladas y prácticamente te dicen que són un comando de eta. No hay televisiones mas manipuladas que las de España y por eso en dicho país reina el catetismo, Catalunya vive en el siglo XXI y España en la edad media.

[@W.Gaster]

@@dosescopetastengo6581 no se, yo apenas go los temas de last esteladas(a lo mucho copaban 1 espacio del telediario cuando hacían mucho ruido) por los telediarios

[@hackerofawesomeness]

This video was accurate 2 months ago, but looking at the december 21st election, the vote is a lot closer. Also, there is no denying that separation would destroy both economies.

[@James-qn3wi]

>Independence >8 Seconds later. >Catolonia: “We have to appologize!...”

[@rogergrau881]

hahaha you dont understant this

[@adriancl6031]

@@rogergrau881 he understands better than you do. Saludos.

[@bobjean8243]

That's even the same as the riots happening in Hong Kong ,China

[@gayuwu5596]

So right they leave and they come crying back to Spain 😭separatist tears😭😭😭😭😭😭😭😭😭😭😭😭😭😭

[@unaicanudas]

They did this searching for dialoge but they only got the prision and repression

[@pedroruizbaracat6109]

was waiting for this video thank you, i liked your explanation. The thing is that i have lived in catalonia for 15 years, and its hard to explain to someone the problem, because it not the same, i lived that situation myself. I liked the video because it is easy to understand for people that are not from catalonia.

[@kijjano]

One of the richest regions playing the victim

[@merceq1]

RICAS POQUE TRABAJAMOS, NO COMO TU

[@kijjano]

Trabajan unos cuantos mientras los demás vivís del cuento

[@flakgun153]

That's exactly why they are the victim. Here in the USA wealthier regions like NYC or California get disproptionate share of welfare state and federal government funding to make up for the extra tax revenue they send. You are using the Catalan people like slaves

[@JofreBernadet]

JaJa un españolete un poco cabreado

[@thadiussean9133]

Looks like British divide and conquer strategy still alive and well.

[@1984-x3w]

That was a roman strategy first used by Julius Caesar spastic

[@dd1607]

@@1984-x3w That was to win wars. Britain used it whenever they lost colonies to ensure civil war. Spastic

[@bulu9214]

@@dd1607 not to ensure civil wars but to rule the colonies by not letting them to unite.

[@killbill-tf9wu]

"Catalan is a different culture"... So is Basque, Galician, Andalusian, Asturian, etc. It's all Spain, that's the entire point of Spain.. THERE ISN'T ONE SINGLE CULTURE, it's made up of a bunch of different peoples/cultures that came together to create 'Spain'. It's like literally any country, Southern USA is QUITE different from Northern States when it comes to culture... They're still all American and it's all American Culture.

[@regularamerican6034]

Yes, but we all speak English. Spain has a lot of regional languages that were supressed by the central government and what we call “Spanish” was forced down to the regions and a national identity was fabricated where it hadn’t been before. USA has came to be after nationalism became a thing, so our national identity was organic, but in Europe it’s a new thing relative to how long the cultures have existed. Pretty much every country over there has different regions with different languages and cultures, which is even crazier when you remember how much smaller each country is than the USA all together. The 50 states all chose to be together, while Catalonia was on the losing side of a civil war against Nationalists.

[@capncake8837]

@@ciroguerra-lara6747 Most of what you said is true, but most if not all indigenous people here speak English.

[@bmwfan4552]

Well said 🇪🇦👍🏻

[@jesussanchezherrero5659]

@@regularamerican6034 Spain as a whole was a nation way before America was discovered. Organic? What do you mean? USA was created by murdering native Americans and forcing English to immigrants coming from everywhere. I mean this is the funniest comment I've read in months. Catalonia has been an integral part of Spain way before the British ever set foot in American territory. The diversity of cultures is down to a longer history compared to the US and a lack of homogenization done the French Jacobin way.

[@mekingtiger9095]

"There isn't one single culture!!!" Two words for ya: *The Balkans.*

[@franciscosard]

Before Franco, the catalonian people tried to be independent and the second Republic sent the army and finished the independence. It was not only Franco.

[@dpcss1009]

What a lie 😂 Study a bit before talking!

[@edumorera7427]

@@dpcss1009 Is true what he said

[@dpcss1009]

@@edumorera7427 No, it's not. Looks like here's someone else who haven't studied. It's true that Catalonia proclamed itself as a Republic of the Federal States of Iberia, but then the Spanish government had to discuss about it with Catalonia, obviously Catalonia didn't get the independence while the second republic, but they never sent the army to Catalonia when that happened, by the way, by that time Francesc Macià was the president of the Catalan government.

[@edumorera7427]

@@dpcss1009 I know that they didn't send an army, but they sent the police and sent the separatist leaders to prison

[@dpcss1009]

@@edumorera7427 No lol, that's totally false, I mean wth, where have you read that they went to prison??

[@GoryWory]

Support for unified Spain! It is a beautiful country!

[@disbauxa]

Beautiful for the tourists. Poor in almost every way

[@GoryWory]

@@disbauxa maybe poor materially, but rich in human spirit

[@disbauxa]

@Red Fox yes it is. U dont realize until u live here. Politicians are very very bad and are influential on people. Catalonia needs independence for his health

[@disbauxa]

@Red Fox Majority of the Catalns want Independence, 52%. It's not enough but it is the majority. Most of those who do not want independence are outsiders. Have a good day too

[@ytv31]

@Red Fox the rest of Spain is piggybacking on the wealth of Catalan, it's riches must go directly to it's own people. They have a different language, culture and history. Every nation has the right of self determination, it is Catalan's choice to decide upon their political future not Spain's undemocratic authoritarianism.

[@javirodriguez4164]

All minorities across the world feel helplesness about their causes, is the real face of democracy. And separatists are not a clear majority neither in Catalonia.

[@zen370865]

Yes we are a majority.

[@asMdl]

The effort on doing this video 'the right way' is something you can tell when watching and appreciate a lot. This issue is probably the topic that concerns most people in the whole country, it is something important in Spain. Every broadcast around Spain and political situation done right helps a lot. It is just a pity that such a great and relevant communication channel like this, in the effort of doing their job right, has built the story with an unbalanced bias opinion. This political disagreement is a match between a very noisy little group and the rest of spanish people. Anyway, Great channel! keep on the good job!

[@mediocreproductions4938]

Yay I suggested this on the suggestion video

[@coolpsycho1]

Suggest next video about DNC collusion against Bernie Sanders, and Donna brazille new book

[@unicornhandstand7179]

While watching this, I understood every single word that was shown and spoken in Spanish, even though I'm from the US and so are both of my parents. I'm bilingual and biliterate in English and Spanish, and I'm hoping to become an immigration lawyer when I'm older :)

[@lavencdetavertet]

Having said that, it is such a complex matter that it would need not only updating but a more in-depth approach to show the whole picture.

[@khadijabou2496]

Last time I was this early Spain was ruled from Marrakesh

[@_Ap0calypse-]

We kicked them out

[@grigorirasputin7165]

That never happen... it was the Umayyad caliphate, with capital in Damascus, then in Spain.. Actually, actual Morocco was also conquered by the Umayyad caliphate 🤣

[@maazahmedpoke]

No it was not, it was ruled from Cordova

[@diabeticalien3584]

You forgot to mention that Cataluña has the best universities, highest industrialization, lowest unemployment, and wealthiest middle class of all of Spain. The Spanish government's response was harsh, but that doesn't make the Catalan's reasons for independence ridiculous.

[@PSTorres]

and who gave them those things? The Spanish government since the XIX century. The problem here is that we forget history. The independence movement claims to be based o history , but thats very far from reality. It's just a nationalistic political movement that, as most of these type of movements, want to seem well-researched and funded.

[@richardgarcia5445]

Not true- basque country and madrid long overtook you guys, valencia will be hot on your heels and sion Andalucia. Complete miss management by independence driven fanatics who would happily sacrifice jobs wealth and future prospects just so they can take power and dictate

[@vulc1]

@@PSTorres Who extracted and still does the wealth of Catalonia? The Spanish government

[@PSTorres]

@@vulc1 Okay, so you basically want to get rich no matter the others stay poor. What a great argument for independence. We all have to pay our taxes according to what we make and produce, this is not a Hunger Games film. And who has stolen most of Catalonia's money to citizens? The so-called Separatist leaders, like Pujol.

[@vulc1]

@@PSTorres The argument for independence is that Catalans are a different nation from the Spanish and thus have a right to self-determination. Self-determination is protected in the United Nations Charter and the International Covenant on Civil and Political Rights.

[@connoroleary591]

I am an instinctive unionist. Be it with the countries that comprise the UK or the EU, union is often best. However, Catalonia has managed to keep its language, despite the brutal suppression of Franco. The Catalans deserve to be treated with respect and understanding.

[@sergioarbesu5347]

And they are treated in that way. I don’t know why do you say that.

[@abejoygilbor888]

The video literally showed that the Spanish Constitution allowed and respected the region of Catalonia for its own culture. What else could be done?

[@gennik7966]

Took You Long Enough

[@dennischan1349]

The whole thing is over already... Catalonia's leaders escaped from Spain. Really shows you how tough they are eh?

[@offchance789]

Vox has a written news website called www.vox.com where they reported on Catalan weeks ago. These shitposters man

[@UnoriginallyInclined]

Don't rush them. Their slick video editing is half the reason I watch this channel

[@t0manick]

Dennis Chan It's more on a hiatus than being over

[@GroundHOG-2010]

offchance I have been looking into the Catalan problem for the last 7 years, and it's only that short because I was 13 when I started (also, earthquakes...). It's been a problem for quite a while. It feels like the world is only just waking up to it. Dennis Chan You say this like someone who doesn't know much about it. One of the original leaders of this movement within the politics of Catalonia was already gone a couple of years ago. This referendum they talk about, it's their second attempt at it (also, they did make a song and dance about the local elections basicly being one). A large portion of the leaders are actually arrested, and some are coming back to be arrested. This is not over yet, this is far from it.

[@jaimeestarellas5206]

Love how objective this video was. Thank you.

[@ericatheredhead3344]

I just returned from visiting Barcelona. From the experience I had, it seems more younger generations were in favor of independence and older generations tended to side with Spanish unity. Most people I spoke with, wished for governmental compromise, and generally seemed nervous about the upcoming months. (I also understand the Barcelona is an international city, and may not totally represent the whole of Catalonia) I believe in Catalonia's need to self identify, but if you allow every region to claim independence, you'd have anarchy across all major countries of the world. At it's core, the vote and declaration of independence were against the constitution, and therefore illegal. It's not surprising the politicians are in trouble. I just hope the citizens get to retain a peaceful home, because it is a beautiful and wonderful culture.

[@jesuslorenteescudero4745]

That's because there's been a lot of indoctrination. Teachers make sure that students speak in catalan exclusively. And the mass Media in Cataluña are completely controlled by the government.

[@PSTorres]

of course we'll have peace hahaha. Most of separatist ppl want to create an image of oppression that doesnt exist. Never ever in my life someone from the government has harmed anyone for being separatist. In fact, the ones that claimed for violence in the streets were the independentist politicians, who said "take the streets"

[@j.p.3345]

Indoctrination...for sure you don't live in bcn...by the way any country indoctrinates that's how you self preserve any nation. The problem in Catalonia is that most Catalan people with enough memory are tired of the imposed Spanish indoctrination, forcing catalans to feel Spaniards...so easy to pick up against catalans, but no Spaniard dare to criticize on basque independence...

[@dino9434]

@@j.p.3345 Why do they not dare criticize on Basque independence?

[@blackbeest5738]

Catalonia: yay I’m independent Spain 8 secs later: *your free trial has expired*

[@sams9742]

Catalonia is spain and it will always be like this😃 Greetings From Turkey

[@gamermapper]

You always say that because you don't want the Kurds to finally liberate their lands

[@sams9742]

@@gamermapper yeaahh , problem???

[@vinrod4]

It would have been interesting if you analyzed how this movement connects to other movements of nationalism in Europe, and how it divides along party lines. This was too shallow in my mind.

[@Josh-fz9rh]

And now it’s racist to be a nationalist

[@aaronyang6979]

I read this as “California’s independece movement, explained”

[@arpityadav2010]

Idk. Has Europe ever wondered that people with different languages and cultures can still live as a single country? All over Europe, you have different language and culture? Separate country. Look at India. 28 states have different languages and cultures. Still it is a single country!

[@thedominationer3070]

Using India as an example is pretty idiotic. There is a strong cast system as well as a lot of ethnic and religious tension.

[@arpityadav2010]

@@thedominationer3070 And Europe has no cast system. And the relegion is more or less the same. All the more reason why Europe can be united like India but without the problems india faces.

[@dominikgrundke6378]

Such an amazing video, finally giving a clear overview of the real issue. The topic was taught in school but only by the means of the articles mentioned in the video by which we were supposed to derive the entire problematic. Moreover gonna have an oral exam about it, thanks for clarifying.

[@oscar-me4qz]

Whose independence wants the guy at the beggining? Weird... his English accent doesn't feel Spanish/Catalan at all... I don't think he's a native.

[@zhiro_3]

he is a native

[@disbauxa]

Just because you think about it doesn't mean that it isn't, he is

[@danichavarria89]

They want to be independent but they sill want to have privileges from spain

[@sumrandumguy7177]

Kepanī Kamaʻainaケパニー・カマアイナ literally every country works this way, they r nothing special. Wealth distribution at a federal/national level is how a sovereign state stays afloat

[@bensondunwoody8519]

Catalonia is Spain from Serbia !

[@bensondunwoody8519]

Islander Local Spain supports Serbia over kosovo so we support Spain over Cataloina 🇪🇸🇷🇸💖💖

[@bensondunwoody8519]

Islander Local As I said they support us.

[@lnowne2352]

why do sebrs always do this man, you lsot a wara against a country the size of montenegro

[@jorgemenavaquer5949]

Catalonia is in Spain, but Kosovo is not in Serbia :)

[@ThirdDef]

Yeah, storically and ethnically they are spanish, It has never been an independent state, separatists are actually traitors, no way

[@julianutanes3]

What!? Catalonia pay more than they get back, and wants independence? I guess California, Texas, New York, Florida and Illinois should declare independence too.

[@randomfunfactsguy6814]

dude tecnicly they can and thats not the point they deserve there own country they have there own language and traditions

[@isabeldaragon5043]

A sentence from a high-ranking Spanish politician reflected well the actions and aims of the Spanish political class a few years ago." It is necessary to promote the emigration of Spanish speakers to Catalonia and the Balearic Islands in order to ensure the maintenance of Spanish sentiment." Calvo Sotelo

[@dez7800]

It's assimilation. Spain wants catalans to basically become spaniards the same as Canada wants quebecers to become canadians.. Independence is the

[@JohnDoe-mv1sm]

can't we all just get along

[@Nordisk11]

No, pacifism doesn't work.

[@someblackguy7371]

@@Nordisk11 Finally, a person that understands humanity

[@renew2848]

Best reply ever! Can't we just all get along! 👏👍🙏😄😊😇

[@cykablyatman1000]

why do we have to fight? why not just accept you're wrong and admit that i was right?

[@themrfriendly9511]

unfortunately, that's not how humans function.

[@chaeluvrr]

I read this as California and was heavily confused.

[@escalec9719]

Catalonia is Spain

[@disbauxa]

Nah...

[@shubhambiswas1741]

If these things are allowed then there won't be nation's only small states

[@princevesperal]

And that's a problem because...?

[@mekingtiger9095]

Sounds like a good thing to me, in all honesty.

[@petercricket]

"Freedom For Catalonia"????? one would think everyone's in Jail.

[@shanicedougan1000]

A lot of them are, actually 🙃

[@petercricket]

A lot of them???? how many is a lot. ?@@shanicedougan1000

[@W.Gaster]

@@hypernewlapse in fact,just politicians that declared the independence without more than a 50%

[@W.Gaster]

@@hypernewlapse who? I was not noticed about them, in any case I do not deny that it was used more violence than the needed by the goverment

[@W.Gaster]

@@hypernewlapse but yeah,after thinking it coldly,we did it wrong, the optimous would be doing aegak referendum on catalunya,if they are Spaniards they will vote to remain,and if not,they will vote to leave, and no more dramas, I think that the goverment should rectifies on its decision of doing ilegak the referendum

[@DralhaEureka]

I think that Catalonians' desire to stop contributing to less fortunate regions of Spain is selfish. I think that the Catalan belief that they should be separate because of their separate culture is problematic, to say the least. I think that Catalonians should focus on what they have in common with other workers and what can be achieved together. BUT, I an inclined to support Catalonian independence because of the abhorrent response of the Spanish government. People have a right to self-determination, and Spain should be embarrassed by its response to democracy in action. Spain is an abusive partner and Catalonia deserves better.

[@disbauxa]

Mai ho entendreu.........

[@TheKalihiMan]

It’s important to note that nationalist separatist movements may be left wing, particularly those seeking an end to imperialist or colonial rule. Left wing nationalism, unlike right wing nationalism, does not seek to demonize people or apply any sort of essentialist characteristics based on origin or identity, and rejects ethnonationalism. A good example of this would be the Provisional IRA in Northern Ireland, whose most centrist elements were still explicitly socialist and anti-imperialist, whose opposition was not to British people, but the British government. While some fringe elements of the regional separatist movements in Spain may seek independence out of some sense of ethnonationalism or to avoid excessive taxation, this is far from the only motivation for independence, and the Basque, Catalan, and Galician nationalist movements all contain strong left wing elements. Some examples include political parties such as Euskal Herria Bildu in the Basque Country, Candidatura d’Unitat Popular in Catalonia, and Bloque Nacionalista Galego in Galicia. Rather than demonize Spanish people, language, and culture, or those of any other foreign background, these movements merely seek self-determination and freedom from centuries of systematic repression by the Spanish state.

[@DralhaEureka]

@@TheKalihiMan, thank you for the insight. My statement lacked an appreciation of nuance. I should have considered the possibility that my understanding of what some of the motives are for independence may be derived from souces that were implicitly or explicitly pro-Spanish government. It certainly would benefit the Spanish government for outsiders to view the independence movement as ethnically motivated.

[@TheKalihiMan]

@@DralhaEureka It’s also possible this is just projection from right wing nationalists that assume all nationalist movements are motivated by the same type of xenophobia and ethnic supremacy that most often characterize theirs. A common talking point when discussing separatist movements in Spain seems to be an assumption that all Spanish speakers in independent regions will instantly be demonized or otherwise ostracized for speaking the language, ignoring that the overwhelming majority of people there are bilingual, or in some cases speak Spanish first. This paranoia seems to be a projection of the same policies of linguistic and cultural repression Spanish nationalism has imposed on the outer regions for generations.

[@Aj23L1]

I was there last year on Sep 11 independence day, it was incredibly fun. Came to Barcelonas Festa Major de Gràcia and left a day after independence day. Pretty cool since I had no idea and didnt plan it out

[@basti6643]

September 11th is not exactly independence day (since Catalonia has never been independent), but the day Barcelona got re-conquered by Spains new monarchy in the 1700 war. It's actually something that people who support Catalonian independence shouldn't cherish. This

[@matirei3266]

Why y'all acting like catalans are opressed or sum

[@John_.Cabell_.Breckinridge]

exactly

[@destroyerprime2011]

Yes

[@funny-video-YouTube-channel]

What are the *legal reforms that they propose ?* Top 5 proposals ? How will it be better than Spain ? What are the reforms and law, not demands, but law proposals ? OK we get all things Catalan and all free. What are the actual reform proposals. They talk about demands, without talking about reform proposals. The legal enforcement of Catalan in all places is not a political reform. It's a language reform. What is the actual legal reform they propose ?

[@Segsail]

they need to be a country first to propose laws, and yes their have their own law system already because they a very antonyms

[@M10-i6b]

Basically that the president controls all judges, the rest does not really matter after that.

[@Segsail]

@@M10-i6b man I don’t feel like I wrote this 2 months before but now I give a flying f*** about this comment I wrote ima delete it later or forget it

[@Habs1967]

As a Catalan/Spaniard i love both catalonia and spain, I am against independence but i can understand why people would vote YES since catalonia is paying the most of all regions in spain to madrid while catalonia has nothing to say about it's own money or resources it hurts me to say but i don't see spain make it to 2030 as one nation the economy and migrant crisis ain't helping out either!

[@radishmiri3137]

I agree! I'm an independentist Catalan (half andalusian) even though I love Spain. I just think Catalonia would do better by it's own.

[@Buto.7103]

Estas pintando las cosas como que al revés y todos sabemos que el gobierno español es el que regala un montón de dinero a Cataluña y no recibe ningún centavo a cambio

[@amy3825]

@@radishmiri3137 I've a question pls Andalusian have north African Berber genes ?

[@radishmiri3137]

@@amy3825 I'm not fully sure about this but I do remember studying that the Arabs invaded Andalucia (All-Andalus) and now all the Spanish words that start with "Al" have arabian origin (Alfombra - Carpet / Albaricoque - Apricot / Alcoba - Bedchamber...). So I'm not sure about the genes but I'm pretty sure most Arabian descendants born in Spain must be from Andalusia because of that conquer.

[@amy3825]

@@radishmiri3137 fun fact it's not the Arabian who invaded it's Berber the native north African Tariq ben Ziyad is amazigh he's not Arab but u know with the arabization of the north African they arabized all amazigh history

[@hamza-mw1ht]

A Moroccan Arabic greeting to our brothers from Catalonia I love you from Morocco

[@ytv31]

Every people(ethnic-linguistic-cultural nation) have the most basal of the human rights, that is the right to self determination, they must have full control of deciding and choosing the course of their own political future. I stand with Catalan's right.

[@thekingofcool2105]

Last time I was this early... Real Madrid was still on top of the table.

[@artificialintelligence2653]

Tus videos son realmente agradables. Son muy informativos.

[@Bug-sg1li]

Tibet Vs Catalonia. How did the world react differently?

[@Bug-sg1li]

Hypocricy?

[@bernardmadoff6416]

All the same shitty propaganda to weaken strong existing countries

[@adityanawani8134]

Bug Yes! Of the westerners!😆😆😆

[@hamperfranklin9994]

China is currently oppressing Tibet, while Spain has given an already large autonomy to Catalan. Why Catalans can't be satisfied?

[@mittim8272]

@@hamperfranklin9994 tibet also autonomy, and i know you would deny. how ironic

[@Yuki_Ika7]

i think they should stay a part of spain but the rest of spain give them a little break from taxes, not too much as they make 20%income. have the official language of catalonia be both spanish and catalonian, and i think they should just accept diversity, make a compromise

[@mrblueberryarchive3178]

maybe teach a little of every country to children from catalonia and the rest of spain. idk, some culture on the other parts of the country

[@NSGLiv]

Catalonia ain't going nowhere

[@pedromeneses9617]

I mean, they are a piece of land inside the iberian peninsula, sure they aren't going anywhere, doesn't mean they cannot apply their own politics, like Monaco or the Vatican does

[@markapilipinas6280]

Why do Spain declared a win win solution by given Catalonia as autonomous region country like Hong Kong or macau

[@AbuYusha1425]

Remember when this was a thing.

[@nm541]

Wondering if something similar may one day happen with Québec...

[@angelsaavedra633]

Maybe

[@Hugo-cn9no]

hope so

[@elliotmorandi2674]

None of my business since I do not live there, but a friend (originally from Barcelona, Spain) describes the movement as mostly populists, separatists and racially motivated individuals egged on by foreign interests (namely, Russia) in order to damage Spain and by extension, the EU. She describes the situation as similar to the foreign influences that led to Brexit and the political turmoil in the US with Trump. She wasn't completely dismissive of the movement (explaining in details some valid arguments for independence) but overall feels and describes the whole situation as "a knife being plunged into the heart of Spain, but the knife was given to an otherwise rational man who was then pushed forward. The man did not stop himself because he think that's what he wanted".

[@kgpz100]

R U S S I A When people think for themselves, look for a boogieman to blame it on. Smh

[@Fireyninjadog]

Catalan is the official language in Andorra

[@dxelson]

Criticize China, but leave Spain alone?

[@youreboichips3872]

Well to be honest the usa payed Hong Kong to do a protest just for the money LOL While Spain is actually the real one.

[@dxelson]

@@youreboichips3872 you say Catalonia was "real" simply because the local government straight up held a referendum. that would not be possible in HK since the government was not on board with its citizens.

[@danicano997]

That is the way things go. As soon as the economy(or any other issue indeed) goes bad, people think their problems can be solved by getting apart, excluding others. That is what nationalism does. We saw it with fascism or nazism and we are seeing it with trump and the immigrants or the UK and the brexit. However, this case is more serius; families and friends are being torn apart.

[@albertogasulio]

danicano997 the matter here is that our economy is great, spain is very culturaly diferent, and while in catalonia everyone has a working spirit, in many places in spain don’t want to work (which is different from not beeing able to). Add the fact that catalonia is one of the most expensive places in europe with the worst infrastructures, add all the insults from the other spanishs and you have an independence movement.

[@danicano997]

Albert Gassull I am sure you know that insults go both ways and I get the feeling the responsibleS for that are the the mass media and the hostile environment it creates. Apart from that, speaking of cultural differences (the ones from the north work harder than the ones from the south, for example) in geographical terms is sociologically outdated. Nowadays two people from different big cities, such as Barcelona and Madrid, have more in common than someone from a small town in Gerona and someone from Barcelona. Madrid and Catalonia's wealth compared to other parts of Spain are explained by very different reasons: being the capital in Madrid's case or, in Catalonia's case, having a great geographical location and historical help from Central governments to calm the independence movement of the bourgeoisie. There is a lot of literature about it. I invite you to read it.

[@Ed-wt4gc]

@Albert Gassull, sorry but that's not true and sounds like supremacist nonsense. Everyone not blinded by propaganda knows separatism is a social engeneering plot by the elites that controls all facets of society (mastereminded by 1990's Jordi Pujol's Programa 2000) to rule what they believe their "feud" and escape being judged for their corruption now that in Spain politicians of all signs are being incercerated. Things got out of control in 2011 when people besieged the Catalan parliament and separatist politicians got scared, accelerated the process and dressed everybody with the separatist flag hidding all problems under the carpet... sadly part of the population got duped with the tale of "Spain steals from us" (when it's part of catalans politicians who fraud and missapropiate public funds) "we're better, we're different, we're opressed, they hate us"... the same old worn-out victimist nationalist ploy... a plot of deception, animosity, lies and greed.

[@albertogasulio]

Supremacism? It's numbers and facts... And on the other hand, why are you now making reference to CiU? I have never said I support them, and I think the whole party should be removed from the earth. On the other hand, I do completely support and trust ERC, as it has been a political party for 86 years, and has never had a corruption case. Answering to the other things, I do understand that from the rest of the world they tell you that we are lobotomized cows that do what their master wants; but I'm not like that, Spain doesn't steal from Catalonia... it's something natural that the richest regions pay more than the poorest, but there are some facts to value here: 1. In the other countries, the regions that pay the highest taxes, also get the better infrastructures, services, etc... and this is NOT happening here, this is a problem. 2. There is a great difference between the way of thinking in the rest of Spain (excluding Vascs) and in Catalonia, and I don't mean to defend Tv3, but it seems like all the Spanish media and political parties have been feeding themselves by promoting hate towards Catalonia, and it's something that makes them win votes and money. That makes us angry. 3. I have never said it's all a fact o money, hang the world. This is about democracy, and about the people, not about politicians, and as much as you are concerned about the corruption and the hypocrisy of CiU or PdeCat or whatever, they at least are acting as If they were democrats, the constitutional parties don't even bother, they are cynics. I hope you don't fall asleep while reading all this...

[@danicano997]

I really like this propagandistic discourse of "we only want to vote, it is a matter of democracy." That is a fallacy that shows the complete lack of knowledge the population has about democracy, an absolute failure of the educational system. Voting is just a small part, actually is the last (but not least) one: it is of no use if the the previous steps are corrupted. This is the case in Catalonia. Given the length of your previous comment allow me to expand on this: 1. There are some things that cannot be voted. You cannot vote to drop a bomb in Madrid of course; but also, a region cannot vote its independence. Why? The unity of the State is a value that stands above the right of the people to decide their own issues. This would require much more explanation, but this is basically the argument the international law uses to forbid it. For instance consider how difficult would be, in a world with 500 country, to sign a treaty to stop terrorism, climate change or tax fraud. 2. If the will of the people is manipulated through propaganda, there is no freedom to choose. I don't how many people have actually an informed opinion, but I'm sure it doesn't get to the 10%( It would require a high degree of knowledge in law, economics and politics) 3. Decisions must be taken by those directly affected. This is a basic principle of democracy. If the wealthy decide by themselves the taxes, it is not democratic just because there is a referendum amonst them. If a region decides a matter that affects the whole State it is not democratic. P.D: Catalonians an Basques don't have a different mindset. That's is not a fact, that is just ignorance and if you want to say something like that at least give some explanation.

[@Trudragon88]

The rich always want to “leave”. But they depend on the poor.

[@disbauxa]

Lol we are not all rich

[@jaisbrennan7696]

they can leave if they want! it's their country!

[@lcy5169]

We respect the Catalan people and support the Catalan sovergenity from Korea 😘❤💛

[@danielnaranjo4461]

Guys your map of Spain is missing the Canary Islands, Ceuta and Melilla!

[@Mr.Riffian]

Daniel Naranjo That’s because Ceuta (Sebta) and Melillia (Mritc) belong to Morocco. Just like Gibraltar should be Spanish instead of British.

[@huuuphuuup6312]

@@Mr.Riffian 😂🤦 Ur IQ 0.1

[@SSulfur]

@@Mr.Riffian Ceuta and Melilla belong to Spain hundreds of years before Morocco was a country

[@ryanross7815]

@@Mr.Riffian even your own people (ex people) don't wanna be ur corrupt nationality Viva Catalunya Viva Gibraltar

[@pablo-bg7hz]

@@Mr.Riffian mmmh no, Ceuta and melilla are spanish and Gibraltar os british.

[@Zretgul_timerunner]

"It will take a long time" Central Government enact article 143 Oh well that went quickly and got solved!

[@capncake8837]

4:50 I believe it’s the other way around. Rural = more support for independence, urban = more metropolitan, so less support.

[@李白-f5u]

Why not Hawaii, California, Texas, Alaska, Florida and Native American republic independent from US

[@juanitopantuflapantufla2605]

The saddest thing is that, in my opinion, it would be bad for both countries if the independence occuried, and a lot of catalan people feel Spanish But there is also people in cataluña who don’t want to be Spanish But the worst in my opinion is the people who want Cataluña to be a country because they say that the rest of Spain is stealing their taxes.

[@franciscojaenvelazquez9582]

There are no 2 countries.

[@reinaldoaugusto160]

This doesnt make any scenes Catalina has been part of spain for centuries why indepence

[@DocStrange0123]

why not?

[@max-dm001]

This video is a disaster. Almost everything is wrong. I dont even know how to start explaining

[@max-dm001]

@Fanjan Combrink Dear Fanjan, there is a social fracture in Barcelona, provoqued by wealthy elites for their own interest. Democracy and legallity is currently on hold in Barcelona with infraestructures and streets, taken by xenofobic hords educated on hate on liberty. As an example, Catalan lenguage was never forbidden in Cataluña. This is one of the main lies they live in. All the media belong to the regional goverment. Companys, banks, tourists, investments... are fleeing Barcelona due to violence and lack of stability. Unemploment rate is increasing due to this fact for example. As a spaniard, i would never live in such place. Never. There are thousands of people caged there.

[@gayuwu5596]

Maybe you are wrong

[@max-dm001]

@@gayuwu5596 i am sure i am not

[@gayuwu5596]

@@max-dm001 you are right

[@quel2324]

@@max-dm001 Well, if Catalan was not forbidden by law, it was de facto. You could get arrested for speaking Catalan, and many got. I am talking from the experience of my grandparents who lived during Franco's dictatorship, I'm not saying "I read it somewhere". "I don't even know how to start explaining" I could say the same with your comment.

[@nengyuwang9081]

Catalunya, Scotland, Quebec, HK... should form a union to facilitate global separatism.