Voyager Clip| "Bring your logic to me"

Tuvok and B'Elanna reveal that they disobeyed direct orders.
Clip from Star Trek Voyager 1.10 "Prime Factors"

[@hellomoron]

I love so much tuvok and Janeway's relationship because it was ride or die but NEVER weirdly romantic, and it proved to me as a kid that boys and girls could be just friends and mean it.

[@oddish4352]

When Tim Russ was approached with the idea of his character having romances, his response was "I don't cheat on my wife, and neither does Tuvok".

[@robjackson5245]

Word

[@oddish4352]

@@markusnashorn1145 Not quite. After 70 years, Janeway would be about 110, while Harry would be 92. Tuvok would be about 175.

[@oddish4352]

@@markusnashorn1145 I think the youngest relatively would be Vorik, a young Vulcan crewman. He was right at his first pon far, or 30-ish. So he'd be about 100, which is middle aged for a Vulcan.

[@Kinglore2000]

If only that could be true.

[@SpicierTaco]

“I want you to know how very deeply you’ve disappointed me” Torres’ expression says it all: “yes mother, I’ve failed you.”😞

[@oddish4352]

"You can use logic to justify nearly anything. That's its power... and its flaw." Another iconic line by Janeway.

[@dhinton1]

That's the irony ... a Vulcan can "logically" justify damn near any act (s)he wants to commit.

[@anthonytd103]

It’s true

[@DarkRob316]

@@dhinton1 The real irony is that the line was uttered by someone who would go on to break nearly every one of her own rules. She killed Tuvix, kidnapped a borg drone and seperated her from the collective against her will, as well as locked a scared young ensign in a cargo bay and almost let some alien creatures suck him dry because he wouldnt betray his captain to her. And thats just off the top of my head. If Tuvok did anything wrong here, then surely he learned from the best. Janeway is still the worst captain ever in starfleet.

[@shindoushuichi0287]

@@DarkRob316 do we really need to go down the rap sheets of all the captains here? especially considering some from DS9 and TNG? Janeway has literal light years worth of reasons to be justified in some of her actions.

[@DarkRob316]

@@shindoushuichi0287 Sure, no doubt. Im not claiming any of them are perfect. Even Picard, who is probably the most morally grounded of all them has stepped in it now and again. But the difference between Janeway and all the others comes down to accountability. Janeway has none. Take the sort of self reflection, introspection, and even self condemnation we see from Captain Sisko here: kzbin.info/www/bejne/gV68qn9tjZl2jdk Now find me something even remotely close to that from Janeway. There isnt anything, because Janeways morality has always just been whatever worked for her at the time. It is she that is able to justify almost anything she does to herself, which is why I find it ironic that shes lecturing Tuvok about it here. Talk about the pot calling the kettle black.

[@boldlygoingedits]

This is my favorite scene in the entire series tbh, acting wise. Such AMAZING power and skill from Kate Mulgrew.

[@Ragitsu]

One positive development: B'Elanna grew to respect Tuvok, because he stood up for her when she faced the music.

[@OptimusWombat]

It's a sign of B'Elanna's character development that Janeway's expression of disappointment in her probably cut more deeply than any sort of formal punishment she could have been given.

[@OptimusWombat]

@WhyAmIWearing ARedShirt that's interesting. I don't know why I never thought of it that way, but now that you mention it I wholeheartedly agree.

[@rasikkom9605]

@@OptimusWombat The arrival of Seven changed a lot of plans lol.

[@dhinton1]

Kathryn and B'Elanna, in many ways, still had that relationship. B'Elanna was a lot more ... mature ... when Seven came. the news about the Marquis kicked in some bad habits .... and her S7 pregnancy kicked in one more that only Tom could get her thru.

[@gorgeous6737]

@WhyAmIWearing ARedShirt no, it did not Several episodes where both Janeway and Torres interacted as mother and daughter. Torres and the reptile like form imbedded on her body. Torres going to Klingon purgatory to save her birth mother's soul.

[@mitchellmelkin4078]

OptimusWombat, Her response to being called out, was foretold in the scene in Engineering, after initiating the trajector sequence had failed. Torres told Seska that trying to hide the incident (or outright sweep it under the rug) was not the course she felt compelled to take, instead, owning up to what had been done. Needless to say, Seska was incredulous that Torres would, without reservation, admit her culpability to Janeway. In a relatively brief period, she had gone from openly condemning the decision to destroy the Array and Janeway's fitness (as Seska did, when finally unmasked), to fully apprehending the responsibilities in undertaking the role of a senior officer, properly characterized as holding one of the handful of position that were absolutely essential to the operation of the ship.

[@Freddie1980]

In summary, Janeway wasn't angry with her officers but was disappointed. When your parents tell you this it always hurts more.

[@HHh-qe2ch]

No holodeck for 1 week and your father will hear about this.

[@chrismc410]

@@HHh-qe2ch all letting my dad know would do is have me going outside getting a switch

[@alonenjersey]

You got that right.

[@shinethief3785]

Janeway is the Mama Bear of Voyager and her crew. And she will bring down the hammer of parental law.

[@r0bw00d]

If you say so. I've never understood how disappointment was greater than upsetness. Someone being disappointed with you means that you're getting off easy.

[@JosephLewisSzaboIII]

Janeway was heartbroken and flattered by Tuvok’s actions. For someone who suppresses his emotions, he brings a lot of feelings out in people. She loves him dearly.

[@skadi8667]

„Dismissed.“ i’d be so scared

[@danielcostello4041]

In some ways, nothing hurts more than being you disappointed someone you admire.

[@Peatingtune]

Tuvok is over 100 years old. He served for three years under Sulu on the Excelsior, spent decades as an archery teacher on Vulcan, lived in seclusion for six years, fathered four children, had another run as an officer, and spent 16 years as an instructor at Starfleet Academy. If he were serving under me on my ship I think it would feel like being in command of my dad. Nominally his superior, but it sure wouldn't feel like it. Having to dress him down would feel supremely uncomfortable.

[@haddy106]

Especially when you found out that what he did was to save you the potential pain of either passing up a way to help your crew or break the laws of a highly advanced civilisation to help your own kind

[@ABCDyeahyeahyeah]

Don’t forget, served on the Enterprise B under Captain Harriman ;)

[@MisterJax]

⁠@@ABCDyeahyeahyeahDifferent character but same actor. Notice the lack of Vulcan ears when you rewatch….And that was a joke.

[@ABCDyeahyeahyeah]

@@MisterJax Yes I was kidding lol.

[@greyjedi1272]

I thought he was closer to 250.

[@Beebee-kn4jr]

The acting from Ms Mulgrew is exemplary! Bravo 👏

[@Dancestar1981]

She made the show

[@Beebee-kn4jr]

@@Dancestar1981 that she did do! ☺️

[@lamueldagon7618]

Watch Kathryn Hepburn, don't take offence but the intonation and hairstyle is exactly the same.

[@VintVarner]

She was so angry, she couldn't even speak, the shaking and hitch in her voice, you could literally feel it. To be told I'm very disappointed in you is even worse than being yelled at

[@davfree9732]

One of the few times the show made use of its premise… Janeway needs everyone working for the team as a whole, to the point she can’t put someone in the brig. Fast forward several years and she’s more comfortable putting people in the brig. Which might be the right thing to do, but in this clip the fact she feels she can’t… means she’s having to compromise in the Delta Quadrant. Somehow that makes the underlying tension of the shows premise more palpable.

[@24juan68]

They should have won the all awards on this scene

[@drhacknslashzombietimelord6768]

I wholeheartedly agree.

[@brookeggleston9314]

As do I!!

[@sleepinggorilla]

Voyager needed more of this in general. It could have been the ST version of Battlestar Galactica. They chose to make the episodes stand alone when the concept needed serialized storytelling. It had a great cast but it focused too much on too few of them. Chakotay and Harry Kim could have been break out characters but they hardly did anything with them. Half the crew were federation traitors, but it was barely mentioned after the first episode. They should have had to deal with long term damages, forcing them to violate federation ethics to get repairs. The most interesting episode to me was early on when they discovered a psychopath who murdered someone and had to decide if they were going to jail, him, Marion him, or kill him.

[@mitchellmelkin4078]

@@sleepinggorilla, I will take issue with just one point you made above. First, by no means did the surviving complement of the Val Jean, come anywhere close to comprising half of the reconstituted crew of Voyager. While I don't believe any specifics were ever mentioned in that regard, it seems very dubious that they numbered any more than a couple of dozen, out of a combined total of roughly 150. Second, I'm not certain that the Maquis were officially designated as "traitors" by the Federation or Starfleet. It goes without saying that their actions against the Cardassians were strenuously sought to be neutralized (although, more critically the case in DS9, it's a fact that Voyager's mission was in support of that same resolute understanding). I would venture that, their exact status, notwithstanding, Voyager being indefinitely removed from the quadrant where that issue had any real impact, made this distinction pretty much a moot point. Having said that, it's also true that the showrunners fully intended such a divisiveness to be a primary plot point, for at least the first year. Regardless of how that might have played out, as you lament wasn't the result, it wasn't the showrunners who changed their minds about pursuing it. That change was mandated by the suits at the network, supposedly because they felt the centerpiece of their brand spanking new broadcast vehicle, shouldn't be distinguished by discord among the crew, but instead, a quick and relatively seamless integration, as there would be enough dangers in the DQ to be concerned about and overcome. So, the producers were given no choice in the matter.

[@UltimatePerfection]

Especially Kate Mulgrew.

[@tilasole3252]

Not just the words or even facial expressions, but her hand movements, even her pacing across the floor, it all adds to the moment and the conflict within her at the time. Just brilliantly done.

[@abloogywoogywoo]

The look of hurt and betrayal from Janeway, is comparable to finding out Task Manager isn't telling you about all the processes and apps running on your computer.

[@Tiger74147]

Holy shit that acting

[@Neanderthal75]

I felt reprimended myself watching this scene in my chair and I wasn't even part of the plot. Janeway's disappointment hurts more than a knife in the heart.

[@jason-the-great]

Tuvok's slow head turn always gets me.

[@malicant123]

Tuvok didnt do what he did because of logic. He did it because he's Janeway's best friend.

[@CrispyGFX]

Ugggh you can tell how crushed the captain feels just in the tone of her voice. She sounds like she's going to crack at any second. Great acting.

[@Gimonbro]

I really feel like this was one of the best clips in the entire season. The acting was top notched and the emotion that the scene elicited was so raw and sincere. It is so weird that the scenes with the Vulcan - the one who would like to make himself devoid of emotion - are the some of the most emotional scenes in the entire series.

[@mountainman5173]

You took the words right out of my mouth.

[@OptimusWombat]

Probably because his suppression of emotion serves in such stark contrast to the others around him.

[@matthewcorcoran2891]

@@OptimusWombat That’s a very good point, and goes to show that a good writer understands and appreciates this. Some people say that playing a Vulcan doesn’t require ‘acting chops’ and or give the actor range, I completely disagree with this. It takes an excellent actor to portray a Vulcan properly. None of this overt displays of emotion or anger that new trek is obsessed with.

[@OptimusWombat]

@@matthewcorcoran2891 agree. The best Vulcan characters are the ones where the actors understand that it's not that they lack emotion, but that Vulcans very much have them but are constantly struggling to suppress them; and can portray that effectively.

[@leif1075]

@@matthewcorcoran2891 so you agree this shiw had good writing at least some of the time?

[@dave87gn]

Mulgrew really played this character flawlessly

[@hayesc0]

She killed it.

[@georgesimon2730]

like an '80's mom!

[@rickymort135]

She wasn't naked enough for my liking

[@k.m.a.286]

@@georgesimon2730 exactly what I think.

[@k.m.a.286]

@@hayesc0 That is not her point. Her task is to play what the author wants. I see here an unsympathetic and unprofessional part of the character.

[@NateSean]

You will be Neelix's potato peeler, don't even test me on that.

[@123RADIOactive]

@@matthiasheppe oh dear god..... 😂

[@aerisgainsborough2141]

Leola root peeler???? NOOOOOOOO!!!!!!!

[@willvgo2950]

You'll spend the rest of this trip taking crew members who eat Neelix's food... and sometimes the food itself it to sickbay.

[@momokochama1844]

@@willvgo2950 she gets to test everything he cooks before it gets on the table 😂

[@DHARK1873]

Love Janeway’s captaincy AND mothering… such a lovely heartwarming scene for all. But also… Something so beautiful about this is that Tuvok, an emotion self-suppressor both by cultural influence and training, does something against his own character in order to ease/alleviate his friend’s guilt. 💘❤️‍🔥❤️‍🩹💝

[@googleuser7454]

The hurt in Janeway's eyes and voice are gut wrenching

[@jonathanfriar7767]

This scene definitely goes down as one of the more iconic moments in the Star Trek entertainment culture; beautifully made.

[@michaelinlofi]

There is some damn good acting going on here. Kate Mulgrews expression when Tuvok owns up is incredibly real to that slow reaction. You can see for a second Janeway doesn't even want to believe what she just heard

[@bradleyj.fortner2203]

This was a rough day for Captain Janeway.

[@bobblum5973]

Here, whispering or talking softly is ever so much more meaningful than yelling would be. You watch the scene, feeling the battle Janeway was having with herself, controlling her anger and frustration but only just barely, because she had to. Such a well written, well acted scene by all involved.

[@therealdudemitch]

This always reminds me of the scene in TNG where Data chastises Worf over his performance as XO. Fantastic moment.

[@doctajastrologyandmetaphysics]

Yes! So true. Another masterful performance indeed.

[@troyandrew6154]

What episode was that from?

[@pattheman777]

​@@troyandrew6154Gambit Part 2 from Season 7

[@dhinton1]

and Data was right in WHAT he said to Worf .... and WHY he said it.

[@jasonknapp8488]

This makes me wanna watch voyager all over again. Totally underrated star trek series.

[@virtualxmm]

I have seen it at least 5 times complete, and I always find new things

[@thewewguy8t88]

Honestly I think sfdbeis and confused Matthew may have been a bit too harsh on this show but they have pointed a lot of things wrong with this show that's really hard to ignore.

[@MorgorDre]

That comment is under all classical Star Trek Series. 🤣

[@NLaertes]

Season 1 Voyager is so criminally underappreciated

[@jefff3886]

This is one of the many reasons Captain Janeway is my favorite Captain in Star Trek.

[@cathevans9859]

Mine too. Flawed, a rather relaxed attitude to the Prime Directive, but the most human.

[@DunestrikeMorgan]

Kate Mulgrew is an amazing actor. The pain and sadness you can hear in her voice is striking

[@Armyjg83]

In this scene Kate Mulgrew among many but this scene especially she played Captain Janeway so perfectly with such conviction and emotion seamlessly Kate Mulgrew was Captain Janeway and Captain Janeway was Kate Mulgrew. Such perfection. Amazing absolutely amazing 💕

[@Taylor_Wolfe115]

“You did it for me” ;-; *cried*

[@larrycopeland2413]

The results of logic are only as good as the premises used as its foundation. If the premises used are faulty, so will be the result of the logic based on them. In this case, Tuvok assumed (a premise) that the Janeway meant that the goal of getting the crew home was paramount above all else, limited only by her own reluctance to break Starfleet rules. That faulty premise is what lead to this situation.

[@DannyDaCat]

It’s good to see Tuvok acknowledge your point exactly at the end... what great writing and thank you for rounding out those last few lines of dialogue he had in this scene...

[@89Keith]

To be fair, that premise was demonstrated in practice on many occasions

[@elliedavis5125]

oof you sound like a vulcan x

[@becausebuzzbomb6133]

Precisely. People, even those in Star Trek, often forget that logic is a tool for reasoning. But first there is something that needs to be reasoned about. Logic isn't good or bad, it's the choices based on it, exactly as Tuvok says at the end here. Another example of this: If you want to sterilize an entire planet of all life, it's logical to sanction the use of the strongest weapons in your arsenal. If you value life above all else, it's logical to ban the use of the strongest weapons in your arsenal. Logic is not in error in either case. That's its power... and its flaw.

[@Brian6587]

"You can use logic to justify almost anything...that's its power....and it's flaw" The way her voice was quivering when she said "From now on bring your logic to me". You can feel the hurt and pain in her voice. Kate Mulgrew was phenomenal here! "Godfather" level acting.

[@007ryanwilliams]

Torres: I was the Senior Officer, I'm the one who should be punished. Janeway: I don't think I could be anymore disappointed than I am right now. Tuvok: Hold my beer.

[@thewewguy8t88]

Honestly I feel like alot more scenes like this were needed in this show. Like scenes like this really show what voyager could have been and should have been.

[@kennethbridgeman6076]

Totally agree. This scene gave me chills. You could feel her anger through the screen. Great acting.

[@thejonrussell]

Janeway’s statement on logic in this scene also brings to mind Spock’s quote from Star Trek VI: “Logic is the *beginning* of wisdom, not the end.”

[@chocopuddingcup83]

Damn, she did the "I'm not angry, I'm disappointed" shtick.

[@IN-tm8mw]

Moments like this are how i can go back and enjoy Voyager after all these years.

[@jamesdietz29]

I think it hit B'Elanna harder to hear Janeway say how "deeply" disappointed she was than it would if she had thrown her in the brig.

[@dhinton1]

it definitely did.

[@Fourthson100]

Here Tuvok finally realized how deeply Janeway felt and how much she counted on him. This was reflected back on the episode Year in Hell when he embraced her (however briefly, haha) before her suicide run against the enemy time ship.

[@cobblerwillorange]

This is probably my favorite delivery of "It was I" I have ever seen in television history. 😂

[@monkeytail1968]

I miss her so much! That is one heck of an actress with a perfectly tuned instrument.

[@hitchadmirer]

This is why Voyager and Janeway were so damned good.

[@eliseives9574]

If Captain Janeway was ever even disappointed in me I'd cry.

[@davidalangay1186]

Genevieve Bujold could never have done a scene like this. Running with Kate Mulgrew to play Voyager's captain was (pun intended) the logical choice.

[@Gnosticpunk]

This may very well be the best scene out of all Star Trek series.

[@tilasole3252]

Katherine - "I NEED You" Tuvok - "Now?"

[@Scorehound]

If I were a Starfleet officer, I would have been proud to serve under Captain Janeway. Her honor and integrity is inspiring.

[@joegrimes9232]

" Voyager has no character development" I direct you to this scene. Janeway was deeply hurt by the revelation and later relied more on group council than solely tuvok. It was partially this incident that closed her off later in the show because she was attracted to chakotay and it closed off any avenue of personal venting. For fear of conflict of interest. A fact she learned even after Mark had moved on she couldn't afford the same luxuary. Picard chose to be alone and could date if he wanted, but Janeway? She'd become the spinster ms havasham she read so much about. Tuvok was her ship councilor and he undermined her trust. When seven came aboard she became her surrogate child and a way of expressing herself for the family she never had but expressed in her dogs, her holo novels and her crew. Now she was adopting a fully grown woman. An abused Foster child that grew up thinking everyone around her wants something from her. Janeway in a fashion does she wants a daughter. It is so painful to watch picard and sering seven become well a drug addled Corey feldman type wearing Clint Eastwood shades. Drinking and screwing and killing the pain away. Perhaps she was best off in the collective

[@voyageradventures1878]

I've said for years that of all the trek series, Voyager had the best character development and that's why Voyager is my favorite!

[@joegrimes9232]

@@voyageradventures1878 I'm a guy in my 30s so my gateway into star trek was next gen. I remember watching it as a small child growing up in a troubled household but we'd always stop and watch star trek together. Over the years I've loved every minute and voyager was the show I grew up with as a young man. Sure it has flaws but it had gems too no one talks a out like blink of an eye

[@joegrimes9232]

I want a new trek made called pathfinder I've been waffling on about for years, where starfleet after the doninion war the accords about exploring a new quadrant fall flat and a small expodition venture to retrace the path of voyager to make first contact the "right way"

[@mitchellmelkin4078]

joe grimes, You make some excellent points, but I definitely don't agree with your contention that what Tuvok did, had any lasting imprint on the solidity and trust that Janeway found in his support and counsel. She says this herself many times over the remaining near to 7 years of the journey. My interpretation of this remonstration of him, that she felt was absolutely necessary, was that Tuvok's assurance of never again taking such a tack, was all that Janeway needed to hear, and that renewed understanding between them went into effect immediately. Once she made clear that he was to make no similar rationalization going forward, I think that she implicitly accepted that a dispute of the same nature wouldn't ever recur, such was the outcome of their having known each other as long as they did.

[@mitchellmelkin4078]

joe grimes, I neglected to append to my last comment, above, that Seven wasn't the first connection of the type you describe, that Janeway experienced. Kes was fully as much a movingly felt daughter (Mulgrew and Lien even having the same sort of connection IRL, at the time). If Lien's behavior hadn't gone so far beyond the guardrails that TPTB put in place (including her absolute refusal to accept any help that was proffered), I've little doubt that their relationship would have continued to grow organically, in that same way, Seven's introduction, notwithstanding.

[@Cyberium]

One thing I love about the older series? Silence. Lack of BGM. Chance for audience to process

[@Ragitsu]

NO SHAKY CAMERA!

[@jasonthewatchmansson8873]

New, fake Trek doesn't need silent moments or varied pacing because there is virtually nothing to process.

[@williamrenz3141]

The depth/writing of this scene, the acting by Mulgrew in it...this is Star Trek at its best

[@thestorysongsnl9397]

Thats why the serie is one of the best

[@mrgummage]

Janeway: "I don't have the luxury to throw someone in the brig for the rest of this voyage." Lon Sudar: "Am I a joke to you?"

[@braddishv3146]

This is a literal masterclass of acting.

[@highlander723]

I remember one time I got into a fight at school My first one. My mom came to pick me up She talked with the teacher She drove me home and while we were still in the driveway she started off with. "I don't know where to start with you" No yelling no screaming but calm words. those words made me realize how much shit I was really in.

[@dlc1119]

At the end of the scene she looks emotionally drained, whether that is 'acting' or she is honestly torn up is a question.

[@lancer525]

I just can't see Genevieve Bujold imparting this much emotion and heartbreaking disappointment into this scene.

[@hayesc0]

Lol she wouldn't have she had no emotion at all it would have been awful thank god they mutually parted ways.

[@L1z43vr]

@@hayesc0 And you know this how? No seriously, how? It’s easy to say this in hindsight, but we don’t know how she would have acted, she might have given a great performance or a bad one, we don’t know.

[@MarkT1700]

She had the emotion of a potato.

[@Ragitsu]

@@MarkT1700Baked or mashed?

[@travisjames3517]

The best Captain.

[@trhointhi9399]

░ Best Janeway scene!

[@slingshotjohnny1]

Holy hells and Hell's Bells... I never cared for her but this was both superbly acted and IMMACULATELY responded to, in terms of leadership. She has, here, earned her place in the Pantheon of Star Trek Captains!

[@streamsofconsciousness8651]

She had this very unusual ability to be quite short in stature, and yet to still dominate strong characters who tower above her

[@AndrewChapman]

And to think, this episode opened with everyone being happy and cheerful.

[@ColinRichardson]

I don't remember this at all. Guess that means watch all the seasons ALL OVER AGAIN

[@drhacknslashzombietimelord6768]

Back when I had the series box set I would binge watch it twice a year.

[@JonathanJK]

Start in chronological order with Enterprise and work your way through you naughty boy.

[@ColinRichardson]

@@JonathanJK Would I not start with 'First Contact' ? Since that is mostly set prior to warp-drive?

[@travisnewberry936]

One thing that I think sets Picard, Sisko, and Janeway apart from Kirk is they they are not afraid to lay down the law with those officers that they consider friends.

[@thesailormercury2]

even the nx Capt was a rule braker as well.

[@shadowtheimpure]

@@thesailormercury2 To be totally fair to Captain Archer, there wasn't really a rulebook in play at that point. Humanity was drunkenly stumbling around the Alpha and Beta quadrants, meeting people and pissing them off.

[@thesailormercury2]

@@shadowtheimpure Archer and Kirk would be great friends if they meet.

[@RichO1701e]

Did you miss the point where she said that she didn't have the luxury throwing Torres in the brig? You know, the whole, "stranded in the delta quadrant" thing. Chief engineers and chief of security aren't readily available in the fucking delta quadrant!

[@captainjefferies9047]

Well you are wrong becuase Kirk lays down the law.

[@andmicbro1]

I think every Star Trek up to and including Enterprise was good and had its moments. Each carried that essential Trek DNA. It really was a franchise that defied the norm of other sci-fi shows, it was fantastical yes, but it wasn't just a dumb action show, it had heart, and it grappled with ethics and philosophy in deep and personal ways. It was an examination of the human spirit, and asked us to raise up and be better. Better to each other. Better to the planet. Better to all living things. It wasn't the cynical and depressing thing the present Star Trek shows are. And yeah, not every episode was good, and some were actually quite bad (see the Voyager episode "Threshold"), but I'll take a few stinkers, because when it was great, it was really great.

[@XThanatos2X]

Mulgrew, and her impeccable performance as Captain Janeway, MUST be in Star Trek Picard at some point. Personally, Janeway is my second fav, next to Picard of course, and I always said that Picard was the one you wanted at the Diplomat's conference, but Janeway was the one you wanted at the head of the fleet when someone's ass needed kicking.. The sheer steel, combined with the vulnerability that Mulgrew brought to the role was fantastic television, and truly shows the range Kate Mulgrew has as an actress.

[@mitchellmelkin4078]

Joao Gomes, My God, no!!! It's bad enough that Mulgrew chose to let herself be involved in the abomination of Kurtzman Trek (really non-Trek) by opting into the kids' show, as a voice artist. I can only devoutly desire that she not be submerged in that cesspool any deeper (along with any other ST featured actors who've yet to succumb to the blandishments that might be set out for them, as lures). Just on its face, why should Janeway be involved in any drama, with a character who's been literally transformed into the exact same type of simulacrum, that all of the CBS productions are, as being in any way, representative of the actual ethos of ST?

[@captainjefferies9047]

Like Picard is good.

[@deanfirnatine7814]

I remember when Star Trek was good, I have forgot how good

[@JoinTheProgress]

Watching Voyager for about the sixth time through, just finished this episode. This will def go down as one of my all-time fave ST scenes. Tuvok gave Janeway an "out," that she never could've implemented herself, while enabling Janeway to maintain protocol in the consequences.

[@johnstitt2615]

They both took the punishment because it went beyond the tenants of Starfleet. Janeway was genuinely hurt by their actions.

[@KingTrunkzdbz]

Janeway had more heart than all the other Star Fleet Captians. She suffered for her crew and watched over them and protected them like a mother watches over her young. She was one of my favorite Star Fleet Captians of all the shows. She was also a lion fighting for her cubs/crew whenever they faced an enemy. She was a true badass, I often fined myself asking this question was she better than, kirk, Picard or even Sisko. One thing is for certain Star Trek Voyager had more heart and suffering of its crew than any of the Star Trek shows. Captian Janeway was truly a special woman and in the end she got them home. What an absolutely incredible Captians she was, she took 7 of 9 in like a daughter, a female human born. She made everyone around her a better person. Belona, Tuvok, Kim, Chicotay, Paris and the rest of her crew, what was an exceptional woman.

[@averyhazen8466]

Having Janeway be disappointed in you is THE worst! 😭😭😭

[@scotthamp384]

Boy, you could so hear the pain in her voice when she found out that Tuvok, the person she trust and relies on the most, had done something that he thought was up to him to do since she could not. She almost felt betrayed. It was like in the Final Frontier movie when Kirk ordered Spock to shoot Sybok, but Spock disobeyed because he could not have killed his own brother

[@frozenlake1215]

This was important to establish early on in the series. There can be no chaos on Voyager. It has to remain a Starfleet vessel with a chain of command if they are to have any hope of getting home again.

[@ShumaniTatankaOwachi]

What a great scene

[@rheiagreenland4714]

That's why you came to me, isn't it captain? Because you knew I could do those things that you weren't capable of doing.

[@steiner554]

That was some GREAT acting by Kate.

[@fdcox]

Kate Mulgrew plays this scene to perfection.

[@keith2366]

It is scenes such as this that have made me always put Voyager ahead of Next Generation.

[@thesailormercury2]

if this happened in the original star trak those two would be promoted quick by Kirk.

[@SantomPh]

apart from Spock, no one actually got promoted on TOS. Even Chekov was an Ensign for all 3 seasons.

[@thesailormercury2]

@@SantomPh the way Kirk was he did not care alot about the rules or regulation

[@Bloodflowers29]

@@SantomPh Chekov was only in 2 seasons.

[@willvgo2950]

It depends on how many of the natives Kirk got to bang first.

[@leonrobinson8180]

It made sense that Kirk was morally flexible. He was a pioneer, and wrote the book on what it meant to be a Starfleet captain

[@mitchellmelkin4078]

What can one say other than this being a gut punch to Janeway (especially, Tuvok's involvement, needless to say). Mulgrew captured the utter incredulity that Janeway would have experienced, even in giving a thought to Tuvok being complicit. It's so apparent how she utterly sold how tenuously the captain was struggling to rein in her emotions, as she had to. It's a compellingly moving scene, however many times one sees it.

[@5Mariner]

Other than Commander Sisko, Janeway is the only captain who has ever been able to give me goosebumps.

[@ranger34ab]

Janeway is mad that she wasn't the one that gave away the library...she betrayed her crew more times than anyone.

[@prairievoices9204]

Voyager was not my favorite series; I felt it relied too much on technobabble. However, this scene is powerful and masterful!

[@raggededge82]

Voyager was not a bad series but it was extremely bipolar. When it was good, like this scene, it could be very good. But when it was bad, it was AWFUL.

[@datboiderrty]

He’s not the first Vulcan to go against the stereotype

[@eradius]

often criticise the character of janeway but my god kate's acting in this scene is really good. you can genuinely see, hear and feel the hurt in her voice, the feeling of betrayal. especially in regards to tuvok.

[@CoralCopperHead]

_"Oh, and Tuvok..."_ _"Yes, Captain?"_ _"...You're confined to quarters until further notice."_ _"Thank you, Captain. That will provide adequate free time for me to re-evaluate the security systems."_

[@williamblake8560]

Janeway the only captain who can intimate a Vulcan...

[@FlameG102]

in the words of the late great james avery, " thats fuckin acting right there"

[@lamueldagon7618]

If anyone does it get it. Star Trek is really about the diversity here on Earth and the relationships we forge with each other. Anyone who doesn't get that doesn't understand Star Trek.

[@Hannodb1961]

Something people dont get is logic is not about whether your conclusion is true or false, it is about whether your conclusion follows from your premises

[@scottyunitedboy2925]

Easily one of Kate Mulgrew’s best ever scenes

[@kashattack]

Loved Mulgrew's acting here. She was so crushingly disappointed in Tuvok she could barely hold herself together. I always loved Janeway skimming on the side of emotion despite trying to uphold her professional standards.

[@-M0LE]

This is flawless Star Trek so far ahead and above any other Star Trek show The acting from all was superb but Kate Mulgrew was exceptional here She truly has the 150 lives on her shoulders she feels that burden pressure and love she is fragile when her crew and friends let her down she trusts them and put so much faith in to them even though it’s all new to her and when it comes to protecting her crew she is stronger than anyone so here this was shock a full surprise and it damaged her dented her she and Tuvok have such a bond and this was devastating to that The look in belannas eyes when she knew she disappointed Janeway was worse that a demotion or losing her career This emotion cannot and has not ever been around in any Star Trek show Voyager is far superior to any tv show

[@LordTalax]

How can she be fragile and stronger than any of them? Your run on sentences make no sense. Emotion alone don't make a series better than all others.

[@-M0LE]

@@LordTalax don't make a series are you even versed in how to speak English correctly

[@-M0LE]

@@LordTalax I said she if fragile when the people she trusts let her down but only momentarily

[@-M0LE]

@@LordTalax the writing the energy of the crew and cast it all made this show so much better

[@saquist]

Somewhere in 1994 a certain Kate Mulgrew was acting her ass off! The gestures, ticks and voice crack were the touches few other actors could emulate week after week of arduous and unrelenting shooting schedule. If only there a proper compilation

[@Scyllax]

Starting in 1994.

[@matthewjones2095]

If only she wasn't written like she always right mary sue so often

[@saquist]

@@matthewjones2095 Janeway is never written like a Mary Sue. She had continuous conflict with Seven and Chakotay. She is portrayed as flawed even in this episode. Shes says she DEPENDS on the relationship with Tuvok, in "Night" she is shown to have an excessively guilty conscience. In Eqinox shes shown as overly aggressive in stopping Ransom, just like Sisko against Edington, or Picard against the Borg. As a scientist she holds the best council on most solutions but she like every Captain depends on Harry Kim's flawed equations in Timeless, has to let go of her scientific reasoning to save Kes, and lost the ship to the Kazon.

[@captainjefferies9047]

@@matthewjones2095 Okay misogynist.

[@Denizen-Unknown]

When Janeway is upset with a crew member I feel like she's also upset with me...