vPub Live - The Permashelf 2024 (It only holds 10 bottles)

[@Aqvavitae]

Speedy timestamps for express viewing I first covered this topic back in summer 2022, let's see what's changed since then! Link: kzbin.infoqOppEDAsLms?si=lKEhyFqU7DddKW3s Time stamps: 0:00 - Opening 1:53 - Intro to theme 5:08 - Welcoming in the lounge 18:15 - Framing the Permashelf 24:08 - 2022 List: Deanston 12yo 27:50 - 2022 List - Glencadam 10yo 29:48 - 2022 List - Ledaig 10yo 34:07 - 2022 List - Ardbeg 10yo 36:32 - 2022 List - Loch Lomond 12yo Inchmurrin 38:48 - 2022 List - Craigellachie 13yo 40:25 - 2022 List - Glendronach 12yo 48:40 - 2022 List - CB Orchard House 49:25 - 2022 List - Ardnamurchan AD/ 52:51 - 2022 List - Glasshouse Blend (100% malt) 59:30 - Listing off the 2024 challengers 1:00:44 - The Guardian of Islay 2024? 1:12:45 - 2024 entrant - Kilchoman Sanaig 1:21:09 - Replacing the sherry bomb 1:26:24 - 2024 entrant - Thompson Bros. TB/BSW 6yo 1:34:31 - 2024 entrant? - Kilkerran 12yo 1:46:30 - Bonus - a 25yo for £75? 1:50:16 - 2024 entrant - Benromach 10yo vs Glen Garioch 12yo 2:00:32 - Our attitude toward price (as a community) 2:18:05 - The quiz vs chimpanzees 🙈 2:20:04 - Quiz at the End

[@OverlandDrams]

Thank you!

[@gareth630]

Port Askaig 8 gone up £7-oo since this came out on W/E bloody amazing LOL

[@clayblaney6036]

My ten: 1. Springbank 10, 2. Ardbeg 10, 3. Deanston 12, 4. Compass Box Orchard House 5. Benromach CS, 6. Laphroaig 10 CS, 7. Bunnahabhain 12, 8. Arran 18, 9. Kilkerran 12 10. Clynelish 14

[@Aqvavitae]

First mention of a Diageo product in the Clynelish 14yo, but a worthy one! Cheers Clay!

[@markevans7244]

It never ceases to amaze me how the wonderful Tobermory 12 continues to be overlooked by so many...

[@christopherzoeh]

Permashelf: 1. Arran 10 2. Arran Sherry Cask 3. Compass Box Orchard house 4. Ardbeg 10 5. Benromach Cask strength 6. Kilkerran 12 7. Tullibardine 15 8. Speyburn 15 9. Deanston 12 10. Port charlotte 10 @Aqvavitae: I probably said this more than once in the past but Saturday Night has really changed to Thursday night. ❤ Just love your format every single week although I often have to watch on replay. Slainte from South of Germany :)

[@Aqvavitae]

Once more - Tullibardine getting a shout is interesting, not an easy one to find and at 43% I've always stepped back. Curious now though.

[@christopherzoeh]

@Aqvavitae Well, the Speyburn 15 might just run past it with that 3 % extra ABV but it has also gone above 60 € in Germany. Tullibardine 15 is still at 50 €. Even below on offer. It also stands out with that cinnamon note. Would love to see it in one of the next vPubs :)

[@hamo4558]

Great show Roy. The entire show summarised with ....."the only thing permanent is the shelf" . So true. As for the Kilchoman, I'd go for the Loch Gorm, you can stand a spoon up in it haha. The Orchard House ..... Noooooo!! If you're going to replace for a funky industrial, change the Loch Lomond where I'd go for the Benromach CS, although I do love the Glen Garioch too. As for the Glen Dronach, I'd replace it with the Tamdu 15 ( although the Glenturrent is spectacular too !). Tough choices made. Slainte.

[@Aqvavitae]

Some of the choices were really hard Hamo - and it wasn't because I fell out with them or don't like them any more, it;s purely based on mood and the feelings and preferences of right now. tough choices had to be made. Thanks for the nice comments and for participating although that Tamdhu is a bit pricey - I did like it though.

[@RoadtoDram]

Hi Roy, as a newish drinker, who always liked whisky but really started deep diving about a year back, my permashelf bottles right now are: Glencadam 10, Arran 10, Bunnahabhain 12, Ardbeg 10, PC10, Royal Brackla 12, KIlkerran 12, Benromach 10 or 15 (still debating this one, mainly due to price), TB/BSW, Maclean’s Nose. I would squeeze in Aultmore 12 (replacing Arran 10) if it was easier to find. I will definitely keep track of how the permashelf evolves for me.

[@Aqvavitae]

Yet another shout for the PC10 - you may be early on but according to that list you're doing it right!

[@klizzt]

Had to go to bed midway through the live stream, but I really enjoyed the topic and discussion around it. Spent a bit of time thinking about my permashelf an my current list is: Clynelish 14 Craigellachie 13 Edradour 12 Ardnamurchan AD Campbeltown Loch Springbank 10/Kilkerran 12 Ardbeg 10 Ledaig 10 Port Charlotte 10 Wild Turkey 101 Rye (mainly for cocktails)

[@Aqvavitae]

C. Loch - fully deserved. Amazing how few Diageo mentions in our lists but see you have a good one there... nice one.

[@maltymission]

Dropped out after the 1st hour. Catching the replay now. This is such a valuable topic, particularly because it 'challenges' us all to pause and consider our habits, but also our preconceptions. Introspection on a community level, if you will. Cheers Roy!

[@Aqvavitae]

Thanks Menno, I spend too much time looking at repeated empties, realising I buy some things habitually. The shelf also acts like a library in some respects, I never know when I might need them. These whiskies are reliable old reads.

[@sinatra197377]

Nice topic Roy! I always replace Kilkerran 12, Springbank 10, Bunnahabhain 12, Craigellachie 13, GlenAllachie 12, Ardbeg 10, Kilchoman Sanaig, Glencadam 15, Benromach Cask Strength, Ledaig 18. And Springbank 12 CS, Laphroaig 10 CS, Kilkerran 8 CS, Longrow Peated, Ardbeg Uigeadail, Glenturret 12, Edradour 12 Caledonia...🥃

[@michaelhoresh-businesscoac8313]

Such an important vpub, because: 1) For us overseas with limited choice, we learn what is out there. 2) The community learns about each other, and 3) It should tell the distillers what we want / we are drinking (who needs expensive market surveys?!?) Thanks, as ever

[@Aqvavitae]

Thanks Michael, I do wonder how much producers care about community feedback - but should they bother - there's lots of it out there! Thanks for catching it as always!

[@andbe8351]

Thanks for another interesting Vpub! The permashelf is an interesting tonic. There seems to be a consensus about certain bottles. Like Ledaig 10. Unfortunatly neither Glencadam 10, nor Thompson brothers stuff are available here in Sweden.🙁 But there are almost always a Kilkerran for sale, and Longrow peated as well. Here is my list: Ledaig 10 Tobermory 12 Longrow peated Kilkerran 12 Glen Scotia Victoriana Signatory Edradour unchillfiltered 10 Edradour Ballechin 8 Balvenie Week of peat 14 Craigallachie 13 Smögen 9 Anders, Stockholm

[@Aqvavitae]

Well, not getting TB and GC but getting good deals on Kilkerran, it's not too bad really. Excellent pick on that Edradour Ballechin!

[@milesforwin]

I'll try my hand at the permashelf :) it's harder than it might seem. - Ardnamurchan CS - Campbeltown Loch - Laphroaig 10 CS - Benromach CS - Ardbeg Uigeadail - Glenturret 12 - Hillrock Estate Single Malt - Whistlepig 10 Rye - Limavady Single Malt - Knob Creek 9 SiB

[@Aqvavitae]

Decent job despite it being tough - and a couple of there to inspire me - the Limavady and the Hillrock I've yet to try!

[@milesforwin]

@Aqvavitae appreciate the reply! I bet the Hillrock nigh impossible to come by outside the US, but the Limavady is well worth a try. Tons of character from the cask, but still holds onto the pot still spice. Lovely stuff. Cheers!

[@loukdelouk]

Always an interesting topic. Mine are Glencadam 10, Springbank 10, Bunna 12, Clynelish 14, TB srv5, Kilkerran 12, Edradour 10 (signatory). That's just 7, so for the other 3 i will add bottles we've bought seconds of even though not core/discontnued: kilchoman machir bay cask strength, benriach 12 sherrywood, and a cask strength linkwood (current one crom cadenhead's)

[@Aqvavitae]

A good eclectic selection with some quite unique picks - exactly what our own individual permashelf choices should be.

[@djsaunter]

10 bottles, easy(ish) to find on my shelf and easy recommendations? 1. Lot No. 40 Canadian Rye (only bottle I have a backup for) 2. Knob Creek 9yo (or single barrel/store pick if you see it) 3. Ledaig 10 4. Old Pulteney 15 5. Amrut Fusion (to be replaced by Springbank if you actually see a bottle in a store) 6. Tamdhu 12 7. Bushmills 12 8. Glenlivet Carribean Cask (yeah, not fancy, but great on those super hot summer days!) 9. Ardbeg Uigaedail (tough choice between this and Kilchoman Senaig, but I had to pick my first peat love) 10. Craigellachie 13 I could happily survive on those 10

[@Aqvavitae]

Great, varied and eclectic list - even with an admission of a guilty pleasure ('livet Caribbean) and succumbing to loyalty based on nostalgic first love (Ardbeg); so much to relate to and an interesting set of picks.

[@hellswidd4628]

Fab to catch up. You were all much missed! Sipping along on the catch up with a permashelf contender ... sig vintage 10yo edradour! Looking forward to seeing you all next week as we try to get back to some sort of normality! Our permashelf currently consists of the following: Craigellachie 13 Bunna 12 Ardnamurchan AD Loch Lomond peated single grain Cutty Sark Prohibition Ledaig 10 Ardbeg 10 Port Charlotte 10 DL timorous beastie 18 Kilkerran 12 or 8 Much love as always from the two of us 🥰 7/10 for these monkeys 🐵

[@Aqvavitae]

You were very much in our thoughts Hellen, we'll see you back when it suits your mood and thank you for catching on the replay. Great to see lots of consensus and overlap out there. Expected to see a Lakes on your list though! Sending love and strength meantime

[@hellswidd4628]

@@Aqvavitae thanks Roy 🥰. Nah whilst lakes is great whisky their pricing structure of late has seen them drop by the wayside for us! Much better whisky for less elsewhere 🥃!

[@baka3489]

Sipping Ardbeg 10. Finished one bottle and replaced. Permanent on my shelf for sure. 😊

[@Aqvavitae]

And mine! Cheers!

[@baka3489]

@@Aqvavitae especially when I paid £34 in Tesco with colleague discount!

[@ElijsDima]

I've not tried a wide enough range to have 10 spots on a permashelf, but I do have three... * Bunnahabhain 12 - a very reliable (for me) base pour, consistently good, nicely salty and refreshing with just the barest of peat. * Plantation Xaymaca - (for lighter and fruitier flavours, I prefer rum over scotch and Xaymaca is giving me the sense of what I want rum to be - sweet, tropical, fruity, rich). * Ledaig 10 - a peatier spot. This used to be Talisker 10, but the latest Talisker release has been a wee bit mid... This one could be replaced by smth else.

[@Aqvavitae]

The amount of comments and shout outs for Bunnahabhain 12yo makes me feel bad for barely mentioning it, great call and love the malternative shout out too!

[@DrumondArt]

Something like: - Craigellachie 13yo - Benromach Cask Strength - Glenturret 12yo - Kilkerran 12yo - Balblair 15yo - Ardnamurchan AD/ Cask Strength - Glen Scotia 15yo - Springbank 10yo - Ledaig 10yo - Green Spot Château Léoville Barton

[@DrumondArt]

Wanted to squeeze Glenallachie 15yo or Ardbeg 10yo in but had to give it to my Irish fetish bottle.

[@sandrofazzolari8833]

Mine includes: Arran 10 Glencadam 10 & 13 Bruichladdie Classic Laddie & PC 10 Ledaig 10 & Tobermory 12 Ardnamurchan AD/CS & Sherry Cask Glenfarclas 12 Deanston 12 Craigellechie 13 Springbank 10 & Springbank 12 CS Hazelburn 10 & Longrow NAS Thanks and kind regards, S.

[@Aqvavitae]

Was soo close to a Glenturret sneaking in - both years!

[@Aqvavitae]

@@sandrofazzolari8833 Classic Laddie deserves a mention, so much love for it out there - maybe I should be recharging the shelf

[@DrumondArt]

@@Aqvavitae Glenturret it's just incredible since the rebranding. Unless something drastic happens, the 12yo will always be there for me. And just bought the 2023 batch on sale! :D

[@NZDave]

Feels forever since I've been in the bar live but celebrating tonight! Was informed today I've won a trip to Scotland this September through SMWS for their Gathering competition so enjoying a suitably large permashelf Ardnamurchan viewing a great topic so here's my 5cents: 1. Speyburn 15yo 2. Ardnamurchan AD/ 3. Arran Quarter Cask 4. Kilchoman 100% Islay 5. Highland Park 12yo (just for nostalgia) 6. Laphroaig Quater Cask 7. Tamdhu 15yo 8. Glenallachie 10yo BS 9. Kingsbarns Dream to Dram 10. Arran Sauternes Cask

[@Aqvavitae]

Great list - and I didn't even touch upon the very potent nostalgia effect - good shout to bring it up and admit it! Cheers Dave and thank you for catching as always!

[@davidowen2834]

Hi Roy, a very good topic indeed. My perma shelf looks something like this. 1)Bunnha 12, 2) Glencadam 10, 3) Ledaig 10, 4)Benromach 10, 5) Lagavulan 8, 6) craigellachie 13, 7)Benromach 15, 8)AnConc 18, 9)PC10, 10)Benromach CS, Had to include a couple of luxury bottles ( as long as the prices are still reasonable they still make the shelf)Picked up the replay Friday. Slàinte Roy 🥃 .

[@Aqvavitae]

Luxury bottles are fine - it's all about personal preference, it's your shelf after all. And the AnCnoc 18 has been a Whisky of the Year around these parts, nice pick.

[@Hargiwald]

It's probably because I only have around 20 whisky bottles in total in my bar cabinet, but I actually struggled to find ten, where many seemed to get it down to ten. It's probably also in part because I've chased IB:s since I got back into whisky, and many of my old favourite OB:s aren't what they used to be 10-15 years ago. But anyway, here's my best shot: - Kilkerran 12 (it's usually available here in Sweden, even if not always) - Edradour Caledonia - Ardbeg 10 (there's something to be said for a soft, good natured spirit in one hell of a rock 'n' roll peat overcoat. This would be my vote, since I can't seem to fall in love with the PC10) - AnCnoc 18 - Smögen 100 proof (for the sake of a little patriotism, and because Islay style served very craft, with the volume turned to 11) - Ardnamurchan (cask strenght if I can find it, otherwise a regular AD) Then it got a bit harder. - I lack something fresh, crisp and ex-bourbon. I suspect I'd prefer Arran 10 if it was only available here, but for now I'll stick to Glencadam 15. - Well, if I just keep my eyes open I can usually find a new bottle before I run out, because my whisky bottles usually last a few years even when I love them. Springbank 12 CS. - I struggle now, and I'm going to almost repeat myself, just to add a treat yourself-bottle: AnCnoc 24. That's just 9. I'll have to run out and buy more whisky. Maybe the Craigellachie 13, the Deanston 12 or the Bunnahabhain 12 or the Kilchoman Sanaig could get a spot on that shelf? All whiskys I want to try.

[@Aqvavitae]

Amazing to witness you struggle with it all and fun to see you not deny yourself some good stuff! The AnCnoc 24 is a treat indeed when we can get it at reasonable prices! Great stuff!

[@Hargiwald]

@@Aqvavitae Well my philosophy is that if I don't buy way more bottles than I need, I will have more money over to spend on the bottles I do buy. But obviously it makes exercises like these harder. But, I see now the AnCnoc 24 seems to have gone up in price way more abroad than it has here in Sweden, I should probably buy another one while I still can afford it. Because of the price models used bottles can sometimes be cheaper at the government owned liquor stores here, in case of quick price hikes or premiumization. Same goes for the Springbanks, when they are available.

[@MrCasper991]

Only started getting into whisky last year after working in the industry for 14 years with Dewar's them moving to work with Artisanal Spirits (SMWS). I don't have a lot of bottles to pick from at the moment but absolutely there is 2 that need to be in my collection at all times. Dunvilles 10 px finish and Thompson Bro's TB/BSW

[@gregstafford8148]

I must say this is always so hard to buy the same bottles again, and again. I am so whisky permisscuous. If i had to, it would be: 1.Arran Qaurter Cask 2. Port Charlotte 10 3. Benromach contrast : Peat Smoke Sherry 4. Wild Turkey 101 5. Wild Turkey Rare Bread 6. Powers 12 John's Lane 7. Lot 40 Dark Oak 8. Glen Garioch 12 9. MacNairs Lum Reek 12 10. Glenallachie 10 CS These are all regularly available where I live. If not in my province, I could order them here.

[@Aqvavitae]

Promiscuity is healthy! It spreads the success to more brands and producers too! Not the first to list that McNairs, I still have mine on the shelf - might be time for a re-visit! Cheers Greg!

[@greigmartin4339]

Permashelf: 1. Springbank 10 2. Longrow peated 3. Kilkerran 12 4. Ardbeg 10 5. Laphroaig quarter cask 6. Lagavulin 8 7. Port Charlotte 10 8. Bunnahabhain 12 9. Ardnamurchan AD 10. Talisker 10 Total peat head I know 😅

[@Aqvavitae]

No shame in awareness, if peat is your thing get in the swing. Longrow is an excellent shout!

[@bennyfriis601]

Great content, Roy. Just watched on the replay. If I have a permashelf, it is a very small one, indeed. I explore too many indie bottlers and special releases to have a large 10 bottles "wide" permashelf, so mine is as follows: Craigellachie 13 Kilkerran 12 (easy to find in Denmark and very reasonably priced) That's it... these 2 form my permashelf. I always have a (at least one) Loch Lomond bottle open, but it varies over time and also includes special bottlings. Previously it was the core range 12 yo, currently it's the The Open Special Edition from 2020 "Be there in the spirit" (I know that you know that one very, very well!) and your Aqvavitae Barflies bottling from 2022, but both getting dangerously near the bottom of the bottles. Fortunately I have a backup bottle of the "Be there in the spirit" in my stash. Cheers buddy! 🥃

[@Aqvavitae]

It's not the size of the shelf but the measure of the enjoyment it delivery Benny!

[@bennyfriis601]

@@Aqvavitae So true 😎

[@mattholton9341]

Great conversation, Roy; just watched on replay and loved it! Below are my perma shelf bottles … + Bruichladdich Classic Laddie (well-crafted, 50% ABV and it’s around $50 here in California) + Independent bottlings of Dailuaine. (Not in every shop but readily available online and affordable) + Glen Grant 15 (love that 50% ABV) + Bunnahabhain 12 + Glen Scotia 15 + Balblair 12 + Port Charlotte 10 + Compass Box Glasglow Blend Marrying Cask (these seem to be everywhere now but, if not available, the standard bottling will suffice) + Redbreast 12 + Knob Creek 12 (or single barrel store picks which are generally great values) + Redwood Empire Lost Monarch (In my opinion, the best $30 whisky on the market today)

[@whisky1017]

Glad to catch this on the replay, so tired that I could not join live. Permashelf; Arran 10. Deanston virgin oak, orchard house, Bruichladdich the classic laddie, Pc10, Lagg Kilmory, glen scotia 15, wire works (any dram), SB10, HB10(because we are lucky they are available here right now). Then the quiz killed me. I scored 3 and my monkey scored 2. Disaster; normally always a pass mark. Not following this logic again!! 😂

[@Aqvavitae]

Great list and nice to see you can grab Hazelburn. Lots of consensus otherwise! Never worry about having to catch on the replay and thnaks for the honesty on the scores! Tough gig I know!

[@RK-ll4ku]

I wish Australia was the same - Ardbeg $10 alone has increase from $75 to over $100 in the last 2-3 years

[@Aqvavitae]

Not too different from here, we reply on specials and discounts to get it below £50 most of the time, but it's one of those that seems to be on offer somewhere, most of the time!

[@TimHoekstra]

I'm not grabbing any replacements for bottles that would be permashelf. Why? Well I still have ton of closed bottles and I'd like to take this year to open and try as many as I can to get more bearings and to give those a chance to shine. The permashelf bottles would be easily replaced anyway. As for the lack of glasshouse in NL, indri makes up for it.

[@Aqvavitae]

Oh I get it, and not everyone develops a bond with certain bottles, but many do. All of the bottles I shared are about those I love - and love to have on hand to share. Cheers Tim - hope you're doing well buddy!

[@TimHoekstra]

@@Aqvavitae yes improving every week so happy with that. I hope you're doing well as well.

[@gareth630]

Arran quarter cask, Ledaig 18, Deanston 12, Glen Garioch 12, Bunna 12 , GlenCadam 10, Old Porteney 15, Tobermory12, Penderyn madeira cask, Arden, Ardnamurchan cask strength and Thompson bros SLV5 happy days

[@Aqvavitae]

Good to see Tobermory 12 getting some love!

[@majornut9728]

I don't really have a permashelf, however here are a few I have bought more then once: - Ledaig 10yo -Rare Breed Bourbon -Argument Malt Rök (a Swedish Whisky) -Blind Seal Rye (also Swedish) And here are few I am thnking to add to the permashelf: -Ardnamuchan Sherry Cask -Ian Macleods As We Get It Isla Single Malt -Lot 40 Dark Oak Rye -Berg from Highcoast Destillery in Sweden

[@Aqvavitae]

Love the stuff I've had from High Coast, loads of other inspired recs there too - great stuff.

[@murduk88]

Thanks for revisiting this topic ... great info and very helpful. FWIW my 10 would be something like: Arran 10, GlenDronach 15, Deanston 12, Ardbeg 10, Balcones Lineage, Edradour 12 Caledonia, GlenAllachie 12, Balcones Single Cask Corn Whisky, IronRoot Harbinger/Promethean

[@andrewbutler7681]

Norman and I (see FB post...) just caught up. Unfortunately, the only cheap(-ish), available Scotch I rebuy is Laphroaig 10; all other multi-buys/replacements have been limited editions/discontinued/rare old bottlings that new barflies wouldn't be able to find or afford.

[@chrisbrook1234]

Just catching up on the last half of the vPub as I had to drop out. My permashelf is a bit different, I have some specific expressions on there and some spots allocated to specific, favourite distilleries where the exact expression will change either due to availability or my desire to explore their lineup. Expressions: 1. Lot No. 40 100% Canadian Rye 2. Crown Royal Northern Harvest Canadian Rye 3. Glenfiddich 12 year old Single Malt Scotch 4. Wild Turkey 101 Kentucky Straight Bourbon 5. Old Forester 1920 Prohibition Style Kentucky Straight Bourbon Distilleries: 1. Junction 56 (a local Canadian craft distillery in Stratford, ON; I currently have their 100% Rye and 5-grain whiskies) 2. Eau Claire (Canadian craft single malt from Turner Valley, AB; I currently have their Yours Truly Single Malt 2023 Release) 3. Laphroaig (I currently have their Quarter Cask) I also always have at least one other Islay single malt and a Blended Scotch or two, however the specific expressions and distilleries will change. Everything else on my shelf is on constant rotation. Slainte Roy!

[@Aqvavitae]

Thanks for catching on the replay Chris and a huge thanks for a super eclectic contribution and a great list of recommendations - especially for me!

[@chrisbrook1234]

@@Aqvavitae you're very welcome! I try to keep a good variety of things so as not to get bored and to make sure I have a whisky for everyone so to speak. I should have mentioned, for those who are curious, my current non-Laphroaig Islay is Caol Ila 12 and my blends are Compass Box The Peat Monster Blended Malt and MacNamara Rum Cask Blended Scotch Whisky.

[@gibsiani]

Watched on catch up and I loved this perma shelf episode. One of the reasons I started following you was purely on your early episodes of the recycling and I realised then that your recommendations and scoring aligned with my favourites. What’s interesting amongst the baffles is how much we agree, value and opinion bottles sampled and purchased.

[@Aqvavitae]

I've also been struck by the overlap of choices and consensus on so many bottles, the comments section is a goldmine of good honest recommendations for anyone.

[@mtpanning]

Nice stuff. Gave you a like. Here's my shelf. I put a little world whiskey there too. PC10 Laphroaig 10 cask strength Ledaig 10 Kilkerran 12 Bunnahabhain 12 Benromach 15 Craigellachie 13 Wild Turkey Rare Breed (Bourbon) Old Forester 1920 (bourbon) Powers Johns Lane (Irish)

[@Aqvavitae]

Thanks for the like and also for the excellent mentions of the Powers and OF 1020 - both very highly valued bottles in this house too!

[@timoleinonen6819]

Lovely work once again! As a comment I may reveal my cabinet ls holdiing at the moment Glen Garioch Founder's. When it's gone, I probably get a bottle of something I haven't tasted before. Normally only one single bottle on my shelf, if any. Slainte, Roy! VPub is lovely stuff.

[@Aqvavitae]

Thank you so much - if you're enjoying the GG FR the 12yo really is a step up, imo at least. Cheers and thank you for the kind words!

[@adamburger985]

All good stuff Roy! I wish I could find Glencadam or Kilkerran here in the States. I’ve heard so much praise for these distilleries. I need to replace my Craigellachie 13. Fantastic dram! I just finished my Arran 18 and I wish I hadn’t. It might be a while before I find a replacement. Anything from Kilchoman is a winner. I don’t think there’s a bad bottle out there. I would add Glen Garioch 12 and Speyburn 15 to your list. Both are incredible in my opinion.

[@gibsiani]

I must add TBBSW is now my spirit level for judging all new whisky no pun intended

[@Aqvavitae]

Understandable - but it won't be around forever. Grab it while we can!

[@glen5808]

Simplest way to understand how alcohol impacts you is to check your heart rate after drinking. Heart rate will shoot up for about 4 hours after drinking and if you drink all the way until sleep time, your heart won’t get any rest while you are asleep, pretty much impacting all your internal organs. This is why everyone should cut back on frequency/amount of alcohol consumption.

[@amflyer68]

Also don’t run with scissors or look directly at the sun.

[@Aqvavitae]

Something to try - I sleep like a baby on a car ride after a dram, but it's different for everyone. something to try and another thing to be mindful of.

[@glen5808]

@@Aqvavitae Yes, definitely recommend trying a smart watch that measures your heart rate. Alcohol’s negative impact to heart and vein applies to all humans and animals, not just for some. You might think you are getting a good sleep but your internal organs are not. Also, if you consume alcohol on consecutive days then the negative impact builds on top each day and it takes just as many days to get it to normalize. I love your channel and love whisky but just wanted everyone to be aware that just because your blood work comes back clean does not mean alcohol isn’t hurting your body.

[@pmckeown38]

We need to be aware in order to live well, having the best lives which will include things that are not always the best for our health. We can only manage these things by being aware of what is out there in the whisky world and what effect it has on us.

[@christianrausis7665]

Hi from Switzerland and thanks for all your very interesting videos. My permashelf : Laphroaig quartercask, Arran quartercask, Ledaig 10, Port Charlotte 10, Glen Allachie 12 and 10 CS, Lindores 1494, Springbank 10, Port Askaig 100%, Lonrow peated, Adnamurchan CS, Lagavulin 8.

[@Aqvavitae]

So glad to see you listing an Arran in there - I was terrible of me to not even mention an Arran given all they've achieved, but it's an open secret now and that shelf only holds ten! Cheers Christian.

[@christianrausis7665]

Next time we could have a permashelf holding 15 bottles. So I could add for example the wonderful Redbreast CS, the Ilse of Raasaay, the Kilkerran heavily peated, the Bunnahabain CS and the Port Charlotte Bere Barley. Long live Aqvavitae and Sláinte @@Aqvavitae

[@PierreMoisan-vf2ze]

Good job Roy! Almost the same shelf! Except for the Benromach I have the contrast ORGANIC….you should have a look at it….9yrs and 46% ABV it’s better than the 10yrs Cheers 🥃

[@DrumondArt]

Agree! Incredible bottle!

[@Aqvavitae]

Already on it Pierre! Looks decent value too...!

[@pverenkotte]

Fantastic, informative and fun vPub! 🙂👏My Permashelf (restricted to Scotch) would hold (in alphabetical order): 1. Ardbeg 10 2. Ardnamurchan AD 3. Bunnahabhain 12 4. Campbeltown Loch 5. Clynelish 14 6. Deanston 12 7. Glenturret 12 8. Kilchoman Sanaig 9. Loch Lomond 12 10. Tomatin 14 Port Wood Close contenders were Ledaig 10, Craigellachie 13 and Hazelburn 10..

[@nameisunavailable82]

Thank you for your videos, Roy. Absolutely love them.

[@whiskeymusic9684]

My perma shelf... McCarthy's, Tobermory, Lagavulin, Ardbeg, Kilkerran, Issac Bowman, Peerless, Glendronach Port Wood, Nikka from the Barrel, Elijah Craig Toasted. Purposely left off age statements. Great subject Roy...❤...But after a long pause in thought...my longest permashelf is by far McCarthy's...my stranded island Whiskey.

[@jamescostigan3721]

Permashelf is a bit easier for me since I don't like peat, it removes a whole range of what I know is good stuff, but that just doesn't suit my tastes. That gives me a smaller universe to work in, but even so, there are still difficult decisions. In that respect, I pity those of you with a more diverse palate who have too much to decide on. I also envy you because I also have had a bit of FOMO with peated expressions, so I kept trying them. Even Arnamurchan, I recognized its quality, but I struggled to get through it because of the peat aspects. Anyway, I've given up the struggle for now, I want to enjoy my drams, not force myself to like it. Maybe someday it will strike a chord with me. I vote we make Permashelf be 14, so we can avoid the stress of difficult decisions. But I know that's a cop out that will eventually lead to a 30 bottle shelf.😉

[@Aqvavitae]

"I don't like peat - yet!" Hehe, just kidding. And yes the narrower you make the selection pool the easier the task is - that said keep going with an occasional dabble with peat. I spent the first four years of my journey dodging the peat, then one day - boom! Everything changed. It was incredible. Cheers James, keep enjoying what the mood demands - as you say!

[@chrisbankswildlife.3779]

Hi Roy great show last night as always most of my permashelf agrees with yours with a few exceptions eg Ben Nevis when available.slainte

[@Aqvavitae]

Yes, and that's key - when available. I think I mentioned that bottling in the 2022 session. Cheers Chris!

[@Piface2099]

I'm pretty much in the situation you highlighted in the opening bits - new to whiskey, tried the Johnnie Walkers, Glenfiddichs, Jameson, Talisker etc. with the wide distribution, and now looking to expand horizons but being a bit overwhelmed by the sea of 10- & 12-year olds slightly off the beaten path. KZbin channels like this have been super helpful to help me get through the choice paralysis, and I've started to see a lot of overlap in the recommendations - I even just recently started to dig through the list I made on these recommendations by picking up a Ledaig 10 (which I was surprised to find I love). Enough to want to pick up the 18 at some point so already a win there. The list goes on!

[@ElijsDima]

Another aspect of whisky's plateau-ing popularity - other than the already mentioned expensiveness - could be that, well, fundamentally it is an unhealthy thing... As health concerns swing higher, whiskeys have to swing lower.

[@Aqvavitae]

Spot on.🎯 No alcohol or low alcohol alternatives are common, and many younger folks just don't want to drink. It all has an effect, but the plateauing we're seeing right now is fully down to high prices for certain categories and an over-accumulation during the pandemic years. I'm fairly sure of that. The whiskies in tonight's vPub will still be selling.

[@RebMordechaiReviews]

Shelf choices: Glencadam 15, Kilchoman 100% Islay, Caol Ila 18, Caol Ila 12, Signatory Cask Strength Benrinnes 23 YO, Laphroaig 10 Cask Strength, Lagavulin 8, Yerushalmi Burnt Offering, Golani Cask Strength Israeli Port Cask, Kilkerran 8 Bourbon and if I turn the bottle sideways, I can just about squeeze in an Elijah Craig Barrel Proof.

[@Aqvavitae]

You've been a long time fan of the Kilchoman 100% Islay Reb, and good to see you mention some domestic and world pics too!

[@CPW1991]

The Kilkerran's are very easily accessible in Hungary nowadays, they are on the shelves forever over here. You can even buy old vintages of the 12/16 easily, strange how it is so different per country. The only thing I missed was a great cask strength offering for those high ABV urges. Don't really care what your favorite style is but a cask strength option is a must 😄

[@NeilImmortal]

Always on catch up as it is too late for me in Germany. I guess I do not have a permashelf as yet, with over 60 open bottles I am still working out my preference s. There are a few that have multiple backup bottles like Ancnoc 18, Tomatin 18, Deanston 18, Glenallachie 15 and Edradour 10 (46%). Obviously not the cheaper end but purchased when prices were lower to avoid disappointment 😊

[@philbeukerschannel]

This week there is an offer for Speyburn 15 for 48 euro. Cheapest I can get the TB/BSW 6 is 45 euro. I know what i’m buying next!

[@DrumondArt]

Do you have a link for that Speyburn? :D

[@Aqvavitae]

@@DrumondArt it was at the Drambusters site.

[@DrumondArt]

@@Aqvavitae Thank you! But that's UK... Customs would kill me. The only bottles I ever got from there were the Ardnavitaes eheh But paid almost for a third one in shipping/customs

[@aarong.9617]

Roy! Interesting permashelf. Say, you remember that purple haze turntable? I just popped the new Craigellachie 10 Thompson Bros. to sip along the vPub, and eureka!..the single malt purple haze!

[@Aqvavitae]

Amazing - I think I've missed that one too tho! Cheers Aaron, enjoy it!

[@blackfen]

My 10 bottle Permashelf: Edradour 12 Caledonia Kilkerran 12 Orchard House Port Charlotte 10 Cù Bòcan Signature Glencadam 15 anCnoc 12 Green Spot Bain's Cape Mountain Michters US*1 Rye

[@Aqvavitae]

Bains Cape Mountain an interesting one Conrad, a few recommendations of that recently. I have to say my bottle of it (couple of years back) largely went over my head(?) AnCnoc 12 is another good shout too.

[@blackfen]

I wrote that list off the top of my head & in that order, but reckon it's a fair attempt at answering the question. The first 2/3rds is a fairly broad answer to "What is Scotch?", and the rest addresses "What other kinds of whisk(e)y are there?". Most "world whisky" I enjoy is stuff that operates on its own terms rather than trying to copy Scotch. Bain's is made in South Africa & it's the kind of whisky you take to a braai. Braai is an Afrikaans word that means something like a barbecue, but with more people & less rain! Whiskies to sip & contemplate on cold winter evenings are fairly well represented in my list. Bain's is more of an easy access summer pour for me, but well put together & very fairly priced.

[@JustAnotherWhiskyCouple]

Another quality solo effort Roy. I really think that Speyburn 15 should be on that shelf instead of the Thomson Bros blend, but to each their own. Also no Arran on the shelf? Tough to see that one squeezed out.

[@take-in]

just a year in on my journey - my 'permashelf' so far: Inchmurrin 12, Green Label 15, Paul John Edited, Glenfiddich Perpetual 15 Still, not building a permashelf, because I still have so much more to explore and money is better used for new experiences

[@frankhayward6758]

No idea why Laphroig 10 Cask Strength is coloured when it comes is a dark green bottle, and would rarely be purchased by newbies.

[@Aqvavitae]

Very commonly picked by newbies and often the flavour hook to convert people into maniacal whisky lovers, weird how many times a peat bomb has been the gateway or trigger when you hear the stories. Agree fully tho - why colour it?

[@marcwhiskey]

Took some good internal thought for my permashelf. Being in the US, I'd include some American spirits, not just Scotch. Deanston 12, Glenmorangie 14, Timorous Beastie, Port Charlotte 10, Speyburn 15. Wild Turkey Rare Breed, Woodinville Port Finished, Early Times BiB, Chattanooga 111, Russell's Reserve 10

[@SimonneNZ]

Good vPub Roy. I don't really have a Permashelf as I am still on my first bottle for many of my whiskies. One that I have repurchased a few times is WT101. I've finished my current bottle but have plans to repurchase this. Another one that I will definitely repurchase when I finish the current bottle is Kilchoman Sanaig. I considered repurchasing PC10 when I finished my bottle, but the price has gone up considerably. While it is a good whisky, for me it isn't worth the current price. I think that will be the case with quite a few of my whiskies. They were good for the price I purchased them at but have since gone up considerably in price, largely due to hype. The whisky isn't worth the current price compared to what else is available. Cheers!

[@Aqvavitae]

If it's good value and a worthy bottle for people to talk about - that's consensus. When it's too expensive and no longer worth the purchase, that can be considered hype. We back off. Loads of options, spot on. Your permashelf may currently stand at one or two bottles, but with time and repeated moments, it'll likely build. Good luck!

[@smiletwoyou2613]

Roy-Good show. Only thing to say that I was surprised that the Old Perth Cask Strength didn't enter the discussion as a sherried option-too expensive or too much ABV? BTW, have you tried the bog standard Old Perth Original Sherry (or even their 12 for that matter?), I wonder how that would hold up to the Thompson Bros 6 year.

[@Aqvavitae]

I have an Old Perth or two here, but they are limited in their distribution. That said, I didn't even consider them, another good contribution for those reading the comments.

[@MrSmudgerooo]

Completely with you on the tb bsw. That stuff is incredible

[@Aqvavitae]

Gotta enjoy it while it's here!

[@MrSmudgerooo]

I pop into the dornoch shop and get a bottle usually of both blends whenever I am visiting my inlaws who live nearby. Just a shame its so far to drive from London 🤣

[@mcapdevila]

I don't really have a permashelf as I limit myself to one bottle per distillery (or per distillery "brand") at one given time, and when I finish one I replace it with a bottle from that distillery, so I tend to buy a different one. But if I had a permashelf, that would be: Benromach 10, Arran 10, Ardnamurchan AD, Bladnoch 11, Kilchoman Sanaig, Laphroaig 10 CS, Clynelish 14, Glenturret 7 (or 10) peat, Kilkerran 12 and Kingsdrams Dream to dram / Doocot

[@Johncaruso-mo8qm]

Hi Roy: Great job as always. I wanted to know what year is the Glencadam 10 ?? Thanks John

[@Aqvavitae]

Mine is 08/02/2022...Cheers John!

[@juiceterry1818]

My permashelf is pretty much my only shelf as I never accumulate or hoard. Years of whisky drinking has paid off. I am now very selective and will occasionally buy an indi bottle if it is : a) something exceptional / unusual b) under £75 My permanent shelf repeats purchase whiskies are Springbank 15 £80 Signatory Edradour 10 £58 McLean's Nose £35 TB/BSW £37 TB SRV 5 £37 Glencadam 10 £44 Ardnamurchan Cask Strength £65 Total £350 for 7 great value bottles which cover all the bases that I need

[@andyreed86]

Monkey- 3 Me- 5 Fun exercise! Thanks Roy!

[@mwake79]

This topic is as relevant as any to me as I keep only 30 bottles or so in my cabinet at a time and this zeros in squarely on the value proposition. A permashelf of 10 is hard to keep consistent for me given there is so much whisky I want to experience and I purposefully guard against growing the selection, given young mouths to feed and all. However, here is my permashelf were my cabinet twice the size it is: 1) Bunnahabhain 12 2) Maclean's Nose 3) Glenallachie 10 cs 4) Ardnamurchan Cask Strength 5) Glencadam 10 6) Nikka From the Barrel 7) Springbank 10 8) Craigellachie 13 9) Port Charlotte 10 10) Clynelish 14

[@FranzG2]

Great List Roy! It is really hard to narrow down to a 10 bottle shelf. I like the 2024 list but have a couple positions that I'd swap. Arran 10 (enjoy it a little more than Deanston, but both are great) Glencadam 10 Benromach Cask Strength or 15 (love Ledaig, but prefer the 18 or the Rioja) Port Charlotte 10 Clynelish 14 or Compass Box Orchard House (prefer these fruity pours to Inchmurin) Craigellachie 13 Armagnac (love the 13 too) Speyburn 15 (Tamdhu 15 was close) - TB/BSW in unavailable to me Glen Garioch 12 Adrnamurchan Cask Strength Kilkerran 12 (actually fairly available) - love Kilchoman, but prefer Loch Gorm to Sanaig and then too premium for the permashelf criteria) The toughest part of narrowing down the permashelf list was that some favorites were too premium, limited editions, or limited availability. However, I don’t want to be without AnCnoc 18, Ben Nevis 10, Bunnahabhain 12 Cask Strength, Glen Scotia Victoriana, Glenmorangie Tale of the Forest, Kilchoman Loch Gorm, Laphroaig Lore, Ledaig 18, Longmorn 18, Oban Limited Editions Cask Strength, Talisker 18 (I can actually get Talisker 18 at an okay price here, but still too high for permashelf).

[@Aqvavitae]

Ooooh wow, you really idid find it hard! That's a lot of strong performers alongside a few eclectic picks, and a huge illustration how some whiskies run deep. I predict a cookie trail of many bottles more ahead for you Franz - as long as you're enjoying! Thanks for the great contri!

[@pedrohcmenezes]

Having a list of preference list is difficult for me at any point...but here is my Permashelf for the moment (😅😅😅) 1.Glencadam 10 2.Glen Scotia DC 3.Deanston 12 4.Bunna 12 5. Glenturret 12 6. PC10 7.Balblair 15 8.Loch Lomond 12 9.Arran 10 10.Ardnamuchan AD

[@Aqvavitae]

Another strong list with a new appearance in the shape of the Balblair 15... once upon a time expensive, bow other releases have caught up in that age bracket. Cheers Pedro and thanks for chipping in!

[@bercio]

My 2024 permashelf is limited by what I can get here in New Orleans. It includes: Arran 10, Ardnamurchan, Craigallachie 13, Compass Box Glasgow Blend + Story of the Spaniard, Port Charlotte 10, Springbank 10 (still finding it!), Powers John's Lane, Castle & Key Restoration Rye, and Pinhook High Proof Bourbon. Arran Sherry Cask would replace the Story of the Spaniard for my sherry bomb, but I can't find it here! I recently picked up Orchard House for the first time for only $40, but have only had a wee taste. I like it, but I'm not sure if it is my favorite - but for the price, it's great. I also finally found Deanston 12, which I loved, but it is a bit pricey here.

[@McIntyresMalts]

Hard to fault any of those on your Perma-shelf Roy 🥃

[@Mathorr]

@aqvavitae classic vPub tonight 👍 here’s my 10: Ardna CS PC10 Arran 10 Spice tree Classic Laddie Benromach 10 Craigellachie 13 Loch Lomond 12 Inchmurrin Clynelish 14 Macleans nose Tried to cover most bases, no distillery monopoly, and no SB or KK due to availability.

[@Aqvavitae]

You're the first to mention Maclean's Nose (thjat I've seen) very worthy and good to hear you're enjoying it! Great picks.

[@Mathorr]

@@Aqvavitae it’s a high bar along with Thompson Bros stuff - if this calibre keeps coming then there’s definitely no need to belittle the blends!

[@ironmantran]

I could think of no one else better to address this question as an Episode : TO BLEND AWAY (ie: Walker Blue GHOST series) OR NOT TO BLEND (ie: as Release as single malt)EXISTING STOCK OF SINGLE MALTS FROM LOST (DEMOLISHED) DISTILLERIES and Silent Stills (such as INVERLEVEN, INchgower, COnvalmore,,, BUT not the like of ROsebank, or Brora to be revived).

[@jimm8799]

Unfortunately, I can get Glendronach 12 or 15 anywhere (and I like them and have both), Glenallachie 12 and 15 anywhere, but have never seen a Speyburn 15 or any TB…

[@richard9045]

Another enjoyable evening albeit on replay! My perma shelf choices: Arran 10 Glencadam 10 Machrie Moor Signatory Vintage Caol Ila Signatory Vintage Edradour Blue Spot WT 101 Bulleit Rye TB/BSW Laphroaig 10 CS Cheers everyone!

[@Aqvavitae]

Thanks for enjoying on the replay and for contributing to the list discussion - great to see a rye make an appearance!

[@domanz1]

my "permashelf" (=whiskies I always want an open bottle of) Springbank 10, any Kilkerran bourbon CS 8 y.o., Kilchoman Sanaig, Laddie 10 (yeah that one's a problem), Bunnahabhain 12, Benromach 10, Arran 10, Talisker 10, a sherried Edradour at higher strength (because Decanters are dead)

[@GregsWhiskyGuide]

PERMASHELF (in no particular order) Scotch & World impossible mixed list (with replacement alternative choices if choice 1 is unavailable) : 1/ Ballantine’s 12 yo (or Chivas Regal 18 yo) 2/ Compass Box « Oak Cross » (coming back soon & if not, « Orchard House » or equivalent, same company) 3/ Douglas Laing « Rock Island » (or Laphroaig "Quarter cask" though different profile) 4/ Glen Moray nas / Elgin Classic (or Bushmills « Original ») 5/ Artesia nas core range (French single malt from TOS distillery) or Glencadam 10 yo (close profile) 6/ Edradour 12 yo « Caledonia » (or The Glenlivet « Nadurra » Oloroso CS) 7/ Springbank 10 yo (or Glen Scotia « Double Cask » or « 1832 », travel retail equivalent) 8/ Kilchoman « Loch Gruinart » (French batches) or « Sanaig » (though haven’t tried recent batches, again guessing after feedback including yours Roy) 9/ Lot 40 core range 43 % or Millstone « 100 % Rye » 10/ Yoichi nas single malt or Nikka « Taketsuru Pure Malt »

[@Aqvavitae]

Ooooh the Yoichi - a cracker Greg, but pricy here. Surprised not to see more French picks there tho :)

[@GregsWhiskyGuide]

Yep, Roy@@Aqvavitae it's a nice one, though inferior to the old 12 yo imho, my favorite of the old core range (the 15 yo being close) and of course inferior to old age statements single-casks I had the chance to try & own for some (they're ending, so I'm really rationing them, in fact I don't drink them alone anymore savin em to share the experience...as often with unicorns & special bottles). Regarding French whisky, like I said in the chat of the vPub several times, there is currently a boom here with a variety (of approaches & styles, production & choices wise) that didn't exist before a few years ago, and as our production is still very low compared to Scotland (though progressing clearly in volume) & many producers are tiny craft ones, export & even success inside France will take some time, and even if it might appear as hard to choose, our whiskies start to be better distributed for instance in UK : TWE, again, just checked, has currently 40 products listed, from 19 different distilleries (ok, except one version locally produced, all other Couvreur products are Scottish sourced, mind you). As I get a lot of questions about French whisky in English, I will do soon a special video about this topic, with a big update as I did get a lot of new French whiskies recently, but, meanwhile, if you feel like spending some time to discover a bit some recent brands, you can have a look at my Whisky Live Paris 2023 video (it is very long but there are chapters !), or watch some of my English or bilingual reviews of French whiskies...Slainte !

[@henrieliot]

Great VPub! Time for a recycle review?