VS Code vs. Vim?

[@cylonscion5470]

Oh look, he got into vim so fast; now only he could remember how to get out of it!

[@jaimix31792]

I use vim and my first week this was my truth. Cheers 😆

[@BinaryReader]

q!

[@Sazo1]

esc :q ez

[@CripplingDuality]

This is a you problem.

[@cherryramatis2508]

ZZ

[@Wandering_Horse]

As a Vim user, I will say its not about the editor, its honestly about the key bindings that make you, the programmer so fast. Its about getting away from the mouse, its about programming at the speed of thought. They have Vim plug ins for vs-code, intellij, pycharm, etc. You dont have to actually use Vim itself, matter of fact its quite impractical for advanced development unless you have a very, very highly configured setup. That wannabe obviously has absolutely no clue what he is babbling about and should be disregarded as a meaningless waste of bandwidth.

[@Nunya58294]

I had recently started making use of the vimrc configuration as well as plugins. My favorite part is the key mappings because I have: CTRL + r -> hot reloads my vimrc while I'm working on it CTRL + s -> saves current window CTRL + d -> remove the line of text the cursor is on CTRL + q -> exit vim I've got two more setup for Makefile building (with the Makefile plugin I found) CTRL + m -> select Makefile CTRL + b -> build project with selected Makefile I'm still learning as I go, but just this so far has really improved my overall speed in programming. Vim is absolutely powerful and I absolutely love it!

[@ThugLifeModafocah]

@@Nunya58294 and even when you add a lot of suggar plugins to make it more IDE like, it is still faster than VSCode. At one point I had my enter key calling the shell to access a docker container and run jasmine.js unit tests if I was on a .js file or calling the docker to run ESpecs tests if I was on elixir code. I could also jump from the prod file to the test file (and vice-versa), if I remember correctly, just by pressing comma 2 times. Vim is indeed awesome. Most of people in comments saying that the comparison is like using paint (vim) and photoshop (vscode) or write with pencil and paper (vim) just because vscode is slow, I guess it is because never really learned to use vim at a minimal level. I was like that before give it a try. It is just that powerful indeed.

[@Shonicheck]

Ehh, i mean it doesn't really has to be specialised, REPL is easy enough to make in pretty much vanilla vim, all the filemanager/snippet/doc/auto-completes are pretty small plugins, and you don't even need them(you can just easily integrate outside tools) However i'd say that vim is not about all that, after years of working with it, i find myself just using vanilla vim with very little customisation my go to solution, since its fast, easy, and functional like text editor should be. As for my dev needs mostly vanilla nvim +lsp +dsp configured does it just fine.

[@bwets]

MSPaint loads so much faster than Photoshop. Screw Photoshop

[@ChristopherSalisburySalz]

I see your point but it's not really a fair comparison. VIM can be configured to do nearly everything that VS Code can do. I say nearly because I can't say with absolute certainty that VIM can do it all but I suspect it probably can.

[@anonymousalexander6005]

@@ChristopherSalisburySalz You can’t if you’re simply configuring it, but after that, it’s true for all text editors.

[@bwets]

@Mohammed Mesum Hussain what is way superior is the ego of vim users who believe they are better than gui users. You just demonstrated it again

[@datboijdope]

@Mohammed Mesum Hussain That's moot point. VS Code has all your terminals built in. Also you can install an extension for Vim in VS Code. There's literally no point even wasting your time just to try to make Vim act more like VS Code when you can just use VS Code.

[@datboijdope]

@Mohammed Mesum Hussain Vim beats VS Code when it comes to features? 🤡 Yeah okay, buddy. 🤣

[@andregraes]

Two guys speaking at the same time is nice because we can't understand either of them.

[@VerdASMR]

I like when my apps take a little bit to load, it lets me slouch in my chair and take a sip of my drink ☕

[@joaopauloalbq]

lol

[@earthian2777]

I agree

[@crizzlevideos]

You have nice hair. Enjoy it while you have it. As a bald man I concur 😂

[@thatsalot3577]

He's a going to lose all of it if he kept using vim.

[@jikosauce]

I don't see how either is a bad thing

[@danboos]

"You have beautiful hair ... really ... enjoy that while you have it" LMAO

[@kyryllvlasiuk]

VS Code is so slow... on this 105 AD paper, it takes forever to boot up. Pencil on paper is the way to go. You can start scribing immediately ;)

[@aneeshyr]

Lmao

[@sumanpanda157]

😂

[@devabdee]

😂😂😂😂😂 Thats the Best Cmnt I have ever read on theinternett man 😂😂

[@ThugLifeModafocah]

@@devabdee yeah, compare vim to pencil on paper shows how much you know about vim: zero.

[@rasmusturkka480]

@@ThugLifeModafocah your lack of common sense makes me think you're an arch linux user btw

[@Terzaghi12]

When Scott goes back in time to have a duel with himself

[@jestempies]

I guess if you start and close your editor all the time it makes a huge difference. I literally close my IDE perhaps once every 1-2 weeks when I restart things.

[@drawmaster77]

Exactly.. who cares how long it boots up. I had notepad++ open on my machine for the past 3 months...

[@yoyo12345]

@@drawmaster77 you didint shut down your pc for 3 months!

[@qqqalo]

It's easier to open files in vim too. Just go into your terminal and type vim followed by the file name. Also there's tons of things that take a few seconds in vscode that take at most half a second in vim. Once you learn the shortcuts repetitive things can be done in a fraction of the time.

[@GabeHandle]

@@qqqalo That's great and all but at the end of the day when you just spent the last hour staring at some Javascript code that won't work for who the hell knows why, it just doesn't matter.

[@ryaniswhoiam5695]

@@qqqalo I’m not a professional, only in Uni so I may be wrong, but how can it hard or slow to open a file? You find the file in file explorer and click “open with code” or you find it through vs code and double click

[@adamclarkson]

Yeah but it takes me 27 minutes to figure out how to exit Vim anytime accidentally open it. So there are trade offs 😂

[@than10]

You just reboot your machine... If it's on the cloud, then you reboot the cloud!! 😂

[@adamclarkson]

@Mohammed Mesum Hussain I bet you’re fun at parties!

[@datboijdope]

@Mohammed Mesum Hussain 🤦‍♂️

[@TheKisem]

@Mohammed Mesum Hussain triggered :D

[@alicem3415]

Everything has their uses. All editors and languages are beautiful creations that someone (or many) put a lot of thought and effort into. We're blessed to have so many options shared freely with us. 💖

[@Angelo-vb6dg]

"Beautiful hair, enjoy it while you have it" words to live by as a man, that's why I'm enjoying my really long hair :)

[@CristiNeagu]

My Surface Go booted VS Code faster than his "Mac"... Also, as we all know, how fast you can code in an editor depends only on how fast you can launch it.

[@ChristopherSalisburySalz]

Good point. This kid was just trying to have fun with playful rivalry. He's just cheering on his team so to speak. Tools are only as useful as the people using them.

[@huistelefoon5375]

Yes, and the selling point of Vim is the editing paradigm, which is far more efficient than notepad-like editors such as VSCode, which the person in the video completely neglected.

[@CristiNeagu]

​@@huistelefoon5375 Except that you can have the same editing paradigm in VSCode like you do in Vim, so that's not really an argument.

[@acidhauss7018]

I love Scott hanselman so much - keep sticking it to these young whippersnappers

[@shanselman]

🥰

[@KaidenBird]

Before Vim, was Vi, released in '78.

[@GabeHandle]

I've never once in my career felt the full Visual Studio IDE was loading too slow. I spend the bulk of my time writing or troubleshooting code and not launching editors.

[@pratt_p1]

I love how Scott at the end complimented his hair 😂😂

[@themike97_58]

Vim is certainly a learning curve, but because there is no mouse integration, that means your hands are always on your keyboard, so when you do get comfortable with all the commands and macros, it is very efficient. Definitely not for everyone tho

[@pedro_alonso]

There is mouse integration, you only need to enable it

[@0mer870]

So you don't think Vs code has great keyboard shortcuts. I disagree. The only reason I favour Vs code is because of it's shortcuts and they are way more intuitive. Vs code + Emmet and a lot of other extensions customizable to anyone's needs that's why it's on the top ;)

[@pedro_alonso]

@@0mer870 I never have said that Vscode don't have great keyboard shortcuts, only that vim also have mouse integration. Both Vscode and Vim are awesome editors with great extensibility and awesome plugins that get the job done be in code completion, emmet, remote editing, database acess, and others functionality. It's only a question of which do you prefer, in my case I use both of them depending on the context and the language

[@motif5775]

"You have beautiful hair", hilarious 😂!! Good stuff!

[@catsgotmytongue]

I like vscode with vim bindings and vim/neovim. Depending on what I'm doing I might even use a completely different text editor. There's more than one tool, use what works for you :)

[@alirezajadidi9730]

Its not just the editor, it’s also how beautifully it fits with other terminal tools like tmux

[@rjampinto123]

Hi Scott. He really has a nice hair.

[@shanselman]

luxurious

[@metalzzzx]

Vim is awesome. I wish it had more support.

[@graydhd8688]

lol the hair compliment had me rolling

[@matthewrease2376]

His video is cringe, but it's hard to deny the superiority of modal editing, and keeping your hands in one place.

[@dhulker]

I use VSCode with the NeoVim extension. I feel like I get the benefits of Vim without trying to figure out how to quit Vim.

[@dcascato]

Best advice ever: enjoy your hair while you have it.

[@ChristopherSalisburySalz]

Once you go VIM you'll never go back. The arrow keys seem so far away and inconvenient when you use a none VIM editor.

[@edwardhoffenheim3249]

Ah yes. Save 5 seconds to miss out on numerous quality of life features that save me hours collectively. Very cool

[@SpuxyYEZ]

tell me which and i can send u plugin for that

[@huistelefoon5375]

​@@SpuxyYEZTUI and integration with unix tools built-in :help documentation fully open source (even the "plugins") first-class support for universal modal editing ranges proper extensibility and configuration (not just installing third-party JS-based plugins and having limited configuration using GUI settings screens, if that's what you were thinking) treesitter not needlessly hogging memory etc, etc. There's more specific examples as well, treesitter was one of them. VSCode has it's selling points, and so does Vim. It's naive to think any editor is inherently superior and will cover all the use cases. And simply making the argument "well Vim can do that too" isn't that meaningful either. Let's just use the editor we prefer and be satisfied, or the Emacs users are going to join the conversation, and then it's over for everyone.

[@chris-ryan]

Close vs code and watch him cry trying to get out of vim

[@apex-lazer]

Amen. And get comf with getting comf!

[@vasaniyakush]

It's not about how fast it opens...... it's the speed after that.

[@Thristle]

Ah yes, startup time. Now if only an IDE's job was something other than starting up really fast I would say that metric is completely irrelevant

[@OluGt]

The ending part got me 😂

[@saoudiwalid]

He must try Ms Dos, with the new hardware we got today the booting will be lightening fast :D

[@miroslawpieta]

Scott 😂 Keep doing what you do!

[@sudo-matx]

I code carving stones.

[@JonBrookes]

This is so funny. Scott, you are the voice of reason. Again.

[@user-v2u-c2j]

Great video as always!

[@BinaryReader]

Hipsters will be hipsters.

[@PatrickSierak]

Start up time > everything else

[@SeanSmith73]

I loves me some vim.

[@Lklibertad]

vim keybingins are now (and then) everywhere so its fine, love both

[@houstonbova3136]

Anyone who points to vim as the best for its load times doesn’t really understand why it’s better…

[@RobLang]

Speed of opening an editor = productivity now? Haha! Vim's cool but it gets used as some sort of cult object. It's just an editor, peeps!

[@RobLang]

@Mohammed Mesum Hussain VSCode has keyboard shortcuts too. Vim is fine if all you have is terminal access. However, it's not 1995 and being a Vim user doesn't make you 1337. It's what you do with it that matters!

[@marklnz]

Who the hell *was* that guy???? SOMEONE GET ME HIS ADDRESS!! I'm gonna go round there and......touch his HAIR!!!

[@BUYXRAYS]

*COUGH* *COUGH* Emacs *COUGH*

[@yogeshdharya3857]

Neovim may be fast but we should at least be respectful to our first old IDE . Vs Code, Old is Gold 😇🙏🏻

[@dbldekr]

I use vim all the time, but really only when sshed into a remote machine or dicking around in a docker container. Vs code for everything else.

[@RichLee_laughingblade]

Bald guy here. Great hair. Use what you like. VSCode takes 3 seconds on my crappy Dell laptop here, but tbh I only start it once o twice a day & honestly think that's probably a poor metric to lead with - if that's your best shot ;)

[@stickman393]

It's not about startup times. It's about the delay between pressing a key and seeing the character appear or disappear from the screen and the cursor moving to the new location. Anything less than INSTANT is really really annoying,.

[@BenjaminBarda]

People be worrying about editors and then leaking even the for loop counter.

[@MrC0MPUT3R]

Man, if only my editor opened in a femtosecond instead of 500 milliseconds. That's 500 milliseconds of lost productivity!

[@NotARealPerson12345]

The only thing I like about Vim is its editing mode, but it’s not an IDE. I use VS Code + Vim extension so I can type like vim but also embrace all the power of VS code.

[@cherryramatis2508]

Neovim can be more than an ide

[@GERARDOJHP]

I love code as an all purpose editor and I use a vim extension cause it helps me out not moving my fingers from it's place in the keyboard, so as Scott says do what makes you happy :D

[@justalawngnome7404]

Of all the reasons I might give for recommending Vim, the ~2 second difference in startup speed between it and VS Code is not one of them.

[@buntun3670]

My colleagues use vs code, I use vim and Emacs (yes it's better than vim). I respect them as they are as productive as me even with different tools. I think the time I spent configuring my environment could have gone to better use, hence I only do it on my spare time now.

[@beanMosheen]

Loads notepad in .1 second. SuPeRiOr DEv SkILLzzz

[@AndrewCodeDev]

Such elegance... such ferocity... much Hanselman.

[@mmahgoub]

I don't know abou the editor but if you know VIM motions you are invincible

[@thegr8497]

"you have beautiful hair....enjoy it while it last.." why is no one talking about this🤣🤣

[@majam1n]

That vertical split in a vertical video is triggering me

[@yoyo12345]

Finally! A guy like me

[@nelsonazolukwamprojects]

Do we get tabs?

[@oscardruke5106]

As a vim user I can confirm that I have in average 20 seconds more to stare at my code with no fucking idea what is happening there.

[@JohnCodes]

my co-workers know about my tiktok now because of this 😂😂😂😂

[@Xtremedave2]

Guess this guy never heard of VsCode Vim extension

[@ThugLifeModafocah]

Scott, vim with a lot of plugins transforming it more in an IDE than just a text editor stills open ups faster than VSCode. I know you know, you know we know. VSCode is a superb tool, for sure, but Vim is indeed something great. Vim motions, the keys combination to execute actions, oh man... that is unmatched.

[@larhard]

VS Code with VIM mode

[@quelloliciccionedidoraemon4790]

As a Vim user damn I have Vim but I care so much as been seen as cool

[@jamesmorgan1327]

Use the Vim extension for VSCode and ascend

[@BeansEnjoyer911]

Jokes on him I use both. Am I just changing a config, script, small change, or I am already super familiar with the codebase? Then sure, vim will be great... but for anything else, VS Code just has so many great visual features, that its great to have as a tool. Also VS Code loads in like 0 seconds on my computer, not sure what his Mac is having issue with.

[@Sun_Seeker]

"use whatever makes you happy" is the last thing you should tell to anyone that doesn't know what editor to use. You should definitely try them all until you realize that Emacs is the best text editor ever made :D

[@johannhernandezarmenteros6292]

This is result of put all you brain designing you hair style instead think what you drop to the internet. VIM and VS Code are text editors not race car, so boot up speed doesn't define it which one is better. :D Thanks Scott for share it.

[@zebapy]

Vscode + vim extension is the way to go

[@Efebur]

Why does it matter if it boots in 10 seconds? You probably only open it once a day anyway.

[@miguelcr1982]

My notepad is more so fast, Im happy too!

[@ahtupot]

last comment was very funny 😂 . " you have a beautiful hair " 😂😂😂😂

[@Mohammed8778]

yo vim is alright. I still use nano cuz i cant be bothered learning vim but vs-code doesnt work on the command line at all, so thats a big plus for vim

[@yifengkou3298]

Writing 0 and 1 using machine code is much faster than any programming language in the world. The compile time it needs is 0. Only needs a hardware interpreter. Screw all programming languages.

[@PaperBenni]

I think it's kind of funny how this guy thinks cli apps start faster and therefore vim's startup speed doesn't count (they don't, apps that are well optimized and small start fast, the choice of UI tech stack isn't the determining factor. Vim has various GUIs, and they still start fast) Also, the startup time isn't that important, if you're going to spend hours in the editor, waiting 10 seconds more makes just a tiny difference. All the guy on the right demonstrates is that vim is better for quick spontaneous edits which is kinda obvious. He doesn't make any statements about actually using the editor

[@particle1988]

I’m using VS Code with vscodevim extension. Am I doing it right? 😂

[@soheil424]

you may get into vim so fast, but it's like getting into hell! but vscode is not hard to use like vim with strange commands. And even if you have a fast device, like a new surface, I bet starting vscode is just milliseconds.

[@nhanNguyen-wo8fy]

I used to be a Vim user, I was a brokie with a 4gb laptop. 😂

[@AminMesbahi]

This level of speaking is evidence of being empty of knowledge and experience!

[@williamliu8985]

I think boot up speed is also a kind of user experience. Hope VScode can make it better...

[@NoMis8882]

Well, at least it proves that his macbook sucks. I have a PC from 2012 with an i3 that starts VS Code faster than this. Or he intentionally loaded up VS Code with so many extensions to proove a point.

[@CheesyAceGameplay]

Scott should do more roasting videos. Too many want-to-be ‘coding influencers’ out there

[@chonky_ollie]

Y’all who hates on VIM just don’t know how it works and how comfy/useful it is

[@abhijoydas4478]

Its in text mode and has beautiful hair 🤣🤪

[@edgarvb6]

But Scott can write code faster than you can boot vim… the program is important I give you that, but the programmer is critical!

[@citizen320]

No one cares about the startup time. It's about the keybindings and flexibility

[@Stevez027]

But my Notepadd++ has tabs, so it's fast and tabby! I still use vscode thanks to your videos. Love the content!!!

[@diedie111590]

Vim has tabs too

[@mhzprayer]

Both. Together.

[@hpdipto]

where is the rest of the video??

[@sebastianramirez5781]

I don’t see it as gatekeeping, he just gave an alternative to vacode and I’m pretty sure that’s it, I’ve seen more people on VSCode saying they’re the best and it’s dumb to use anything else then on the vim side honestly

[@bhavyakukkar]

I've seen the exact opposite and I don't blame it. I did it too when I first started using vim

[@SayoojSamuel]

Just like that everyone forgot emacs exists.

[@afroboi7454]

I don't understand how he's gatekeeping.. He simply has an opinion that vim is a better editor(he could be wrong or right) , anyone is welcome to try vim and if they don't like it, they are free to choose their preferred editor.. 🤔 isn't he just showing people his editor of choice and one of the reasons why he likes it? How is it gatekeeping? 🤔

[@Stephen-wh7vl]

Vim > *

[@thejeffkershner]

I love you, Scott! Haha

[@StudyWithNika]

VS CODE IS THE BEST. Just upgrade your ssd and it will load faster Xd

[@TheKisem]

There's no best. People are different.