Vtubing Is A Scam...

[@guyk768]

Moral of the Vtuber story is have low expectations and be modest. Spending thousands of dollars on Vtuber models and something you've never tested out is never a good idea. Try designing your Vtuber yourself, that's what a friend of mine is doing and if it doesn't really work out you're not out a lot of money.

[@demoman5844]

I dont understand the end

[@orangenoise6572]

Hope for the best, but expect the worst.

[@RavenL1337]

@@demoman5844 you can make your own vtuber, that will cut a lot of the cost for the streaming setup, you will need some good mic and whatever other expens you will need for streaming, because like rev said, 700$ + whatever streaming hardwere you will need is a lot to invest in just streaming without know if that is even what you wanna do! let alone do it serious!

[@accuset]

That's what I did, can't do 2D models but I made a cheap 3D one.

[@404PageNotF0und]

That what I'm doing except my model doesn't move... yet. The more the channel grows the more I'll work on everything. The channel is a complete dumpster fire but hey I lost $0. XD.

[@samueltitone5683]

This whole spiel is why I love Juniper Actias. She has some of the best models in the scene, and she makes them all herself so they don’t cost her anything. Wish I had a quarter of her work ethic.

[@Tighron]

Juni is cracked in the best way possible.

[@PastTimer]

I love Juni but man does she need to chill with them models sometimes lol

[@Psychoangel-d23]

i´m not even a fan of the whole vtuber stuff but i respect the hell outta juniper. Girl´s build different and awesome for it.

[@lisrainforest]

It does cost something. The main vtuber rigging software (live2d) is like 16$/month. So yeah, it's cheap, but it's not nothing

[@kuro19382]

Depends on your POV I guess. Time is money, specially for streamers, so there is that.. Honestly idk if she streams while working on her models, I suppose that would balance things out.

[@jero10z]

I made my own model, from sketch to rigging just as a project to learn Live2d, and let me tell you, that software is not something you can use and crash course into it. I did rigging for 4 days, and is still pretty basic. Saying that it should be cheaper is really stupid with how much work it takes to do just the basics, and that's why it's "expensive". This is literally "if you say it's easy, go do it yourself and shut up".

[@imutorln2470]

This 🙌

[@xXJ4FARGAMERXx]

You're literally animating a main character. Imagine how much the artists and the animators that worked on Kirby recieved.

[@SergioLeonardoCornejo]

Let's face it. The primary issue is taxes and economic instability have made this more expensive than logical, but while I do understand the fees riggers need, I also understand why many rookies do need cheaper alternatives. If one just begun, the high investment is a bad idea.

[@Rexhunterj]

@@SergioLeonardoCornejo This is an issue of inexperienced business people not realising they are missing out on a niche market. These artists/riggers could offer a cheaper alternative for startups where the quality is lower (but still consistent) so they have less of a workload on it and the value of the work is overall, lower.

[@jero10z]

@@SergioLeonardoCornejo Exactly

[@XShaneX19]

You have to win your model by defeating another vtuber in hand to hand combat. I won't accept anything else.

[@TypicalElf]

Do not speak our secrets.

[@ReiseLukas]

Excellent advice. Just look at Holostars Tempus, people were hating on their models pre debut, but then once we actually met them people loved them. The two (Magni and Vesper) whose models were criticized the most became the most popular of Tempus

[@YeetThyMeat]

Vtuber models can look like whatever ya feel like, without a personality to present the streams they'll be nothing but anime-looking husks. Empty shells of misconception if you will.

[@mythoceanas8874]

Would add to that, you also have to actually stream and/or create content. I joke about it sometimes, but there are vtubers out there who stream like 2 times a month and 1 of those is usually a redebut with a new model.

[@eris-cs]

yeah that’s why Rushia/Mikoneko/Amemiya still able to have audience after a conflict on her previous character, because people like her personality

[@Rembreiker_lychec9257]

Not only the expenses for making the model, rigging it on live2D already costs a lot if you want a good one (Iron Vertex). It's definitely a very expensive business model, although you can get one for cheap. Having a good model doesn't mean you'll get popular overnight. For now, I'll probably stick to watching 30+ hours worth of Blender tutorials because I'm broke and ambitious.

[@ZenithintheMaking]

😂😂😂lol

[@EvilXero359]

Good luck to you 🙏🙏🙏

[@crookedskull2704]

Same. Honestly you can get a basic model off of booth and add things using blender.

[@Troz678]

haha yeah wonder if they'd accept, an order that like "rig this and that smth worth 300 dollar"

[@Troz678]

not only u get vertex rig ur model u it also cheap 🙌

[@-Raylight]

Appearance is important, but being able to entertain and know how to stream should be the main priority Kinda reminds me of some JP Vtubers who started small, using a PNG. Then when they've become more successful, they upgraded their models. Starting small is quite nice way too to practice or make sure you'll be able to go steadily

[@williansnobre]

There are some who start with even companies backing them up but they struggle to get an audience because they don't manage to handle the whole streaming deal very well.

[@Gadottinho]

Exactly most small japanese twitch vtubers are just a PNG

[@DMAN99]

We all know you sold bootleg blu rays of love live to afford your vtuber model, Rev, you can’t run away from this forever.

[@Vinni-2K]

can confirm, he sold them to me

[@JakeMatthews-OnLo]

It’s sad you have to explain this to fully grown adults. It’s like going 10 years to the past and thinking buying a camera and making skits is going to make you internet famous.

[@Prich319]

The people crying "scam" are so shallow and superficial, they failed to realize that having the ability to entertain as a Vtuber matters more than how much dosh they plopped down for their model. if you can't keep people interested in your stream, it doesn't matter how much you spent. It will be a net loss. Expectations of instant fame do not guarantee success, nor does it excuse not assessing risk.

[@lacrossev]

Basically people looking at success stories and think its easy, when the reality is most people are not nearly as interesting as they think they are. The vtuber models are a brand symboi, but if your brand sucks nobody is gonna care if you took out a second mortgage for your equipment and model.

[@regirock7313]

People spending thousands are those who are established and have made it after being in the game for a long while. Because they’re entertaining and loved that they can keep alternating over and over.

[@davidsequeira92]

yes i have seen a couple of small vtubers that have the charisma of tomato, you can tell just by looking a couple minutes of watching their stuff

[@papudlapapi]

thank you for this video. i started streaming recently because i changed my internet provider, made one of my childhood dream come true. i don't care i have 1-2 viewers average, i just do my thing. I'd love to start vtubing but first i gotta see if it's really my cup of tea. sorry for this comment, it contributes literally nothing but made my kinda relieved so that's basically it

[@mangaman3757]

It's like Calli said: "You have to put up the work".

[@Metalseadraking]

I would say a vtuber model is like a tool. You can expand on later if you wish. Like a graphic tablet While a graphic tablet with display might be more convinient, a simple, even smaller one that is just a black plastic board gets pretty much the same job done if you know how to use it proper for much much cheaper.

[@AnglesSol]

As an artist, I can say that the process of making the model is quite tedious be it 2D or 3D. I get why people would put quite a high price for a model if it has the quality to back it up. However, if someone is starting out as a Vtuber, I would recommend making it yourself, use a template or png ilustration, even paying for a very basic model for a low price can be an option. Also, I do think flexing anything, not only models for what price they had to pay is quite cringy lol.

[@icarue993]

Didnt IronMouse started with a default model? Just an example of a popular Vtuber

[@AnglesSol]

@@icarue993 Yeah, Even Vroid models can be a good start.

[@129das]

spending 1k to 1.5k if your spending anything above that your way overspending or being ripped off because yes it a lot of work but even 500$ is a big spend. For sure not for a first time.

[@AnglesSol]

@@129das Very true, you can get a very nice laptop or pc to stream and play games with that amount instead of a model.

[@Furebel]

How long do you think it would take you to make a 2D character?

[@ShoreyardAri]

From the opinion of someone who animates using 3d models I've made from scratch in blender. The workflow for a 3d model typically goes: sculpt > retopologize (so it can be animated without setting fire to every GPU in the local vicinity) > rig (weight paint). each step can increase in complexity and does not include the quality checks and corrections, such as verifying importability, you have to perform to make sure the model will fulfill its purpose. If you want me to come up with a model based off a one pager you've written about an OC, it can take me a couple weeks to go from cube to a rigged model with face animation. So yeah I'd charge a few thousand. But if we're really paying attention to who's popular in the market, Your model won't be the most important thing about your Vtuber because *you* are necessarily the most important thing about your Vtuber. if you're gonna start as a Vtuber you might as well use a single PNG in the bottom corner and at that point it might not even be worth that. tldr: IMO, skip the Vtuber, go entertain, think about the vtuber later.

[@pokemonwilliams2176]

Literally Anything you see costs money. There's no such thing as cheap IRL: just expensive

[@KDB349]

There's plenty of cheap things IRL. What do you mean?

[@pokemonwilliams2176]

@@KDB349 such as?

[@Dargon818]

Even the Dollar store has gone up in price, but that's the easiest cheap thing on the list

[@Dargon818]

My family has one of those bunk bed couches, like a large metal frame of hollow bars and a couple mattress. The bottom can go between couch and flat bed, and the frame busted in the center. I fixed it with a leather belt, a small log, and a mostly flat rock. Compared to a hundred or more dollars for a new couch, I'd say that's a pretty cheap fix, and it's worked for a couple years.

[@baimhakani]

@@Dargon818 *What do you mean Dollar Store doesn't sell things for a dollar anymore*

[@Roriski]

Reminds me of those people buying 10k+ camera equipment, road racing bicycles or whatever just to drop the hobby in a week or so.

[@scp2539]

"spend thousands only to realize their stream is power point" o.0.... how the f are ppl going to get into vtubing and not make sure they have the best pc / connection possible. why drop thousands on a silly image if your pc cant even handle chrome.

[@og_3rd_st_saint_gat]

Vtubing is never a scam wtmd you could make your own vtuber model

[@XionSteel]

The more you want your model to do, the more asset layers need to be made and increasing the price. Honestly if all you want is a model to have fun with, just have a base with movement, eye/mouth control and a few expressions is enough. a few hundred and you're good, can add to it later if you get a following or if its something you want to do long term and dont burn out. Worst case if you do burn out, a few hundred is a lot easier to write off then a few tens of thousands.😐

[@Furebel]

Sir, painting like three objects for this one asset and adding three bones for it is not a groundbreaking achievement, it's up to 15 minutes of work. Don't paint it like 15 minutes of work justifiably let you earn 500$

[@kuro19382]

@@Furebel not sure what you are basing this answer on, he never said it was simple features, some things can be quite time consuming to do. Ofc there are people charing $500 extra to get a different color or a fucking hat, but that is not always the case.

[@Furebel]

@@kuro19382 Define what's not simple than. Something like just wings that can move is still simple, two layers each, two bones, simple physics, done. Glasses would be bit more tricky, you need 3 different bones, and each behaving slightly differently, but still that is simple. The most complex thing usually are smooth geometries like boobs, but that is obviously not something you add or change on whim, it stays with your character.

[@Gadottinho]

"a few hundred" if you want a simple rigging you can do it yourself, it isn't that hard.

[@Katsuhi50]

whatever streaming choices you make just TURN OFF YOUR VIEWER COUNT either you'll see high numbers and get stressed out or panic or you'll see a low number and get depressed just TURN IT OFF and act as though people are watching regardless.

[@glorkbork776]

Think of it as a way to potentially springboard yourself into learning new skills, improve your drawing so you can save on art assets, learn how to animate so you can rig it yourself, improve over time, make fun of your old models, there are so many aspects to vtubing beyond just streaming with an anime hand puppet.

[@PWingert1966]

Its like buying a $30K Red Cinema camera to shoot a daily vlog when you have never vlog'd before. A lot of people forget that people like iJustine have been doing KZbin videos for more than a decade now and were even creating content for several years before they moved to video. In a lot of cases many have a staff as well that are professional at operating the cameras (OR THE OPERATOR OWN THE EQUIPMENT AND IT IS PART OF HIS EMPLOYMENT TO SUPPLY IT) that they use for video. in some cases the equipment as a product ot be reviewed that the company just never asked to have it returned. after the review (Not so common these days)

[@SgtReaper22]

I think the PNG route as a test to see if you want to pursue Vtubing and invest later on in a good model for under $1k and go from there.Revs model for what it cost looks really good and very cute.

[@unknown20005]

this has the same energy as rich people being stranded on an island with nothing and complaining that there is no 300 dollar sparkling mineral water to drink or caviar dishes awaiting there arrival all i am going to say is if i don’t find food i know who i am killing and eating first

[@WineScrounger]

Pro tip: tourniquet, amputate, cook. Keep the rest fresh for later.

[@Rembreiker_lychec9257]

As a 3D artist, I can confirm she's totally right. Yeah, rigging itself takes up a huuuuge chunk of time after conceptualizing, illustrating, and modeling. It's really nice to see one of my favorite VTubers sticking up for us! =D

[@Reddyroe]

so uh, who's gonna tell him?

[@kazakhstanisastate4614]

@@Reddyroe I will

[@kazakhstanisastate4614]

ITS A FUCKING GUY

[@polkalamypekopeko2969]

All the more reason why people like Juniper is super amazing Spends almost no money Except....she spends like 24 hour long rigging days on herself. 7 models thus far I think

[@sgtboom7]

​@@kazakhstanisastate4614 I've been tricked, hoodwinked, and possibly bamboozled!

[@Proctophile]

Rev out here spouting all this logical common sense again. Keep it up man. We need more like this in the world generally.

[@lunaursa]

Very true, I actually streamed before I debuted, so it was easy for me to enjoy what I do. I've also spent about $700 for a vtuber model which isnt bad for the work and quality. If I didn't have the money for a $700 vtuber model I'd probably go for a cheap alternative like a PNG and be a PNGtuber temporarily, there's nothing wrong with being a PNGtuber when starting out especially if the person is unsure if they like it which imo is a great start to test if the person enjoys this type of hobby.

[@VolticWind]

There’s plenty of free to cheap ones you can get just to try it out

[@lunaursa]

@@VolticWind Yes! that too :)

[@LordHonkInc]

This whole situation reminds me of digital art, or art in general, where especially newcomers tend to fall into the trap of "You have to have a $1000 drawing tablet" or "You have to use Copic markers on hot-pressed, 150g/m², pure cotton paper", you know the type. Yeah, you can totally spend a couple grand for a bespoke avatar, and if you know how to get the most out of it then yeah, you'll probably stand out from the crowd, but that doesn't equate money spent with success. Every good artist can make masterpieces with the right tools, but the right tools alone don't make you a good artist. Or, to give another stupid analogy, you wouldn't give your toddler Nike Airs and then get upset when he can't dunk like Michael Jordan.

[@fariysystem8919]

Better paper than normal printing paper is always a plus especial if you want to ink your drawings. I never use pure cotton paper. As for the maker, experiment.

[@toastybagel8412]

4:43 WINDOWS SOUND

[@lowellcamp3267]

A well-designed character can be very entertaining even if you start as a PNGtuber, or close to it. Lip flaps and a few preset expressions should be enough to get your foot in the door. You can always upgrade or replace your model once you’ve found your footing.

[@user-rv8yv4yh9n]

I'll never fault an artist wanting to charge what they feel their time is worth, but much like art, you never want to spend big before you realize it's something you want to do. I spent $50 on a tablet first getting into art, before investing once I knew I liked the hobby, just good money sense

[@Furebel]

As an artist myself, you should be more objective. Jacking up prices like that hurts everyone, even other artists.

[@user-rv8yv4yh9n]

@@Furebel something like making the commissioner feel as if they're getting a worse piece because they weren't charged an arm and a leg?

[@Furebel]

@@user-rv8yv4yh9n Rather that normalizing insane and unfair prices makes people think that everyone will price themselves this much, so they won't even bother finding someone cheaper. Therefore killing potential clients. It doesn't apply to everything, but in this situation, between something that's meh but sellable and something of high quality, there isn't as big of a difference in workload as is in prices. That's why upwards unfair prices are directly harmful to smaller artists, on top of what you said. But I guess art world just is very unfair.

[@ThePandafriend]

@@Furebel When a work is worth the money I don't see a reason for artists to not charge it. Especially known artists who made a name for themselves can and should ask for more than lesser known artists. Keep in mind that becoming a good artist is neither easy, nor fast and if you apply the salary per hour few get a lot of money.

[@Furebel]

@@ThePandafriend "good artist" doesn't matter. Only fame.

[@mattguy1773]

I would rather make everything by myself as I think art skills are important

[@o7Bones]

new content creator: *spends a ridiculous amount of money on a high quality vtuber model* me: if you start from the ceiling then how the heck are you gonna go any higher?!

[@i0am0superBlast]

Another option is to just make your own model. Where the cost is the time spent learning a new skill XD I'm currently trying to learn 3d modeling... mostly because I want to make cute anime girls. So why not make my own model and try out streaming then? Like it or not, I did something productive. And 3D modeling is easy to understand and blender is completely free. Texturing and proportions are probably gonna be the hardest part for me to make stuff look good as a non-artist, but it's easier than learning to draw from scratch... probably. There's also vRoid which makes the modeling waaaay easier and the hard part is just the textures. Though it's a lot more limited than blender.

[@Furebel]

I'm a CG artist - yes, prices are insanely overblown. I saw people pricing themselves for 20k dollars, for not even that impressive from 2D character from technical standpoint. Being generous, making one, relatively good 2D character would take you (if you work on it 8 hours a day) few days for art, up to two weeks for rigging, animating is like one or two days of work. I'd say two to three weeks of work. Earning 20 thousands of dollars per two weeks of work could let you rent a private jet. And people were running over me, when I pointed it out... For 3D model it would be a bit closer, since modeling and painting from all sides would double the workload, but I still wouldn't take 20k dollars for it. Up to two thousands of dollars for a really advanced 3D model would be the most I would take to be fair.

[@Raya.T]

You might be a CG artist but have you considered that the cutting the rigger usually has to do is incredibly tedious since the majority of art being delivered is not cut properly? rigging isn't as simple as it seems either most of the riggers I personally met work usually 3-4 weeks on the model to get everything just right that the client wants and that is with art provided by the client. like I'm not saying the prices are right but to simplify it that much is also wrong. you are saying for a 3d model it's a bit closer but that is more wrong if we talking about the general 3d models that are used by vtubers. They are miles easier to make and take a lot less time to do.

[@Furebel]

​@@Raya.T You have absolutely no idea how 3D works, do you? I know that rigging is tedious and hard, but it's deffinitely not 3 weeks to a month of full time work hours, just for rigging, assuming you already had prepared proper assets. I have created both 2D rigged characters and 3D rigged characters (I know you can find only old minecraft stuff on my channel, but over these past 10 years I done much, much more than that of professional work), it is difficult and time consuming indeed, but it's not as bad as you paint it... And than you come from assumption that 3D just is simpler... BOY! You just haven't seen a well made 3D anime-like character, haven't you? Most likely you did, but it was so well done, that you didn't even knew it was 3D. Point being, if you take the quality of a professionally drawn 2D character, for texturing a 3D character, model and rig it properly, I assure you, you will not even notice it is a 3D character. And that's why people just opt for 2D - why would you add aditional labor to model the entire thing, and rig it in 3 dimensional space, and also put your GPU into slightly bigger strain due to amount of textures and verticles on it? What you usually see used as 3D characters, are models created from 3D character generators, with already rigged almost everything. You than just need to slightly modify the shape, add some assets, your own hair, and texture it, but you can just be lazy and put some colors onto it, and it will still look fine. But if you want something high quality, you either need to modify it so much that you will have to re-rig most of it, or do it all from scratch. So in conclusion, yes 3D is much more consuming if you want it to be as of high quality as 2D. But if you don't have time or money, it's easier to make something in 3D.

[@rentmoney7074]

My personal favorite is when their internet is bad and they say "I'm going to restart my internet I'll be back" and they never come back

[@fuzzynuttz5092]

Although a vtuber model shouldn't be cheap, I do believe that it shouldn't be more than 5000 dollars for the more expensive models

[@UmbreonFlash]

+interest; because lets be honest many vtubers just want to make cash as easily as possible. So if you wanted to make vtuber model of peanut-kun(I was expecting more less chibi design), you have to pay for the commission, along with interest on top of it.

[@fuzzynuttz5092]

@@UmbreonFlash yea true and "peanut-kun" lol. But yea I have even considered of becoming a Vtuber myself but not sure if I should do so

[@UmbreonFlash]

@@fuzzynuttz5092 I mean if you really want to become vtuber, and not bother wasting money on it. Then why not simply make one by yourself? I mean, "I" myself have some knowledge with making anime art experience. I even have 2019 drawing pad too. You know the say, two make a better effort of working out in gym then themselves right?

[@fuzzynuttz5092]

@@UmbreonFlash ahh I see and I already have an image of what I would like my Vtuber model would be about and it would be an Army Drill Sergeant but a part of me feels like it could probably be seen as disrespect cause I'm not a Drill Sergeant myself but my Vtuber personality would be based on a couple of my Drill Sergeants

[@UmbreonFlash]

@@fuzzynuttz5092 For starters it might be better idea to learn how to draw yourself with circles as height for the base. Then draw your shoulders and hip ratio-etc. While adding the features too. I mean I have a lot idea, just lack motivation doing this by myself. Just that I had vtuber beginner buddy just to get started. Level 1 •Draw yourself in anime ~ • Learn to use OBS software ✓ • Strengthen and tone your voice for anime voice ~

[@bakagamingcommentary]

the vtuber bubble about pop when it a lot people will losings their money on top current world fiance situation. some people will learn this the hard way.

[@skullcolectolector]

that´s why i love your content maaaaaan, you give the people what they need to know if they wanna jump to the vtuber world, is like saying "oh yeah, i´ll be a youtuber because yes" but if you´re not enough compromised with this kind of "hobbie" you´ll end up giving up after the first month.

[@fazshura]

I refuse to accept a life advice from someone that is playing WoW. Now I'm gonna spend 20k in a Vtuber model

[@itsCronch]

Underrated comment

[@chromacreate]

Just look at Gura’s model, scuffed, but loved because of the person behind the veil

[@Mamiya645]

Our beloved Rhombus Shork.

[@crazy961234]

Looks does not matter much when it comes to Vtubing but it does help a little. The essence of Vtubing is the personality of the streamer and Hololive knows this which is why their members dominate the community. Take the new Holostars EN for example, the members avatars look decent but every single one of them are multi talented and have great personalities. Great personalities will make the stream more enjoyable for the viewers.

[@Milennin]

It requires having a good PC setup, a good audio setup, a good speaking voice, being able to entertain people and keeping them entertained during long streaming sessions, and probably some skill in the games you're playing too. It's not as easy as it looks on first sight.

[@ThePandafriend]

You don't really need skill in games. You "just" need to be entertaining and keep people engaged. You don't even need a good pc and microphones which are sufficient for starting cost maybe 50$. I'm pretty sure that you can get for less than 500$ into the industry. Commission a png for maybe 50$, mic for 50$ and everything else is free or something which you probably already have. Of course being entertaining is not an easy task and you need to make a character. And of course it's not for everyone and I'm pretty sure that most who see it as an "investment" fail.

[@CHO-lx2by]

@@ThePandafriend You don‘t need it but it makes growing easier. I‘ve turned away from certain streams because I deemed to audio quality to not be good enough, game/stream having some stutters or the overlay/notifications being either too distracting or not there at all. And while skill in games is not a requirement it most certainly makes it easier because for some people watching someone skilled is entertaining enough. In conclusion while you can‘t buy success you can make the road significantly less steep. That‘s just my opinion/observation though :)

[@brianlynch4801]

Like your model. Thanks for info. Friend does this and was gonna help her if she does well and likes it. Had a cost in mind and you helped justify my thoughts of cost. 👍

[@VtuberSenpai]

Preach! I've been Telling my viewers this for years! Some listen. Others don't... Alot of people need to learn the hard way unfortunately

[@specs6637]

I like how no one is talking about the windows noise at 4:43

[@EnvisMavros]

You’re absolutely right. I spent like no money on my model lmao. I learned how to use vroid and blender, and I honestly love kinda just doing my own thing and making videos

[@thatanimegirlwiththecape4807]

I wanna make my own model as well.. can you just draw whatever you want on vroid or do you need a program like photoshop as well?

[@EnvisMavros]

@@thatanimegirlwiththecape4807 you start off with a base to change face and body shape, but for custom skin textures and clothes textures something like photoshop is essential

[@thatanimegirlwiththecape4807]

@@EnvisMavros good to know. Thanks for replying

[@EnvisMavros]

@@thatanimegirlwiththecape4807 ofc! Good luck with all your future endeavors, I’m excited to see the content you make!

[@chitin122]

You don't really need to be entertaining, just being a woman that looks attractive is enough for a lot of men to simp for them. Its just the facts, as sad as it is.

[@mainhill5760]

I disagree, most would actually want to watch someone that is more entertaining than attractive when it comes to V-tubers. The looks are just a small part of it, being fun and having a nice personality is what makes them great.

[@AizakkuAnalysis]

This point becomes a little more valid when he's obviously picked a girl model for that reason too. 😂

[@strife-kun6003]

Nah. You probably only watched vtubers from vshojo that doesnt do anything else other than lewd things most of the time. Don't even compare them from hololive idols which are all good in terms of personality. Hololive idols appreciate their supporters so much and doesn't just bait them by doing lewd things. The only ones that are good from vshojo is kson and nazuna which originally came from hololive

[@129das]

that only helps at the start you will hit a wall if that your angle unless your doing porn or soft porn.

[@flameshana9]

All the simps have come out to defend themselves (and their spendings). _I enjoy her tig ol biddies for their personality! See? Look at how they move individually!_

[@Sashigu-]

I wish I could make a model… but like I don’t have a computer so it’s pretty hard to VTube without the pc…. I’ve always wanted one to be made for me but JESUS WHY DOES EVERYTHING I FIND COST OVER LIKE…. $1K?

[@ashina2146]

I have a Vtuber Model that I commissioned for 30$, I haven't even rig it yet.

[@kiamcd92]

Don't spend money for fame. Hard work and dedication will help get you there

[@Snakedude4life]

Clearly, Vtubers are just a CIA Psy op. 🎩 🐍 no step on Snek! 🇺🇸🇭🇰

[@megagreatgodlywhiteshark2929]

Amen snakedude4lfe!lol 🤘🏼😎💪🏼🐍🇺🇸

[@zacharyrollick6169]

Good thing you separated the syllables of that last word. They yote one of my comments into Oblivion for it.

[@josephjackson4312]

This video speaks to me quite a bit, though I think for slightly different reason than expected. I have streamed a few times and I like it, but I have anxiety and tent to makes excuses to get out of doing things, even things I like, and I am also a 3d artist and wanted to make my own vtuber model and have been using not having that as my excuse...I need to get back streaming.

[@papertroll1876]

I like a good rev rants desu video every once in a while

[@MylonDiggs]

My only real concern about the raise in the cost of models is that some riggers may be increases the price for no real reason just to make more money. Instead of responding to one of the following an increase in their production costs, more people asking them personally for a model, or a major increase in the quality of the models they make for people. Charging people more of the same work just because you can is nothing but greed.

[@MylonDiggs]

@@hahmann Greed is the reason why some people can't afford to pay for food, medicine, and housing. Also, it would be kind of crappy to charge someone more for the same product with no major changes to anything.

[@skullysinner]

Some people pay also for the artist (the vmodel mama)'s fame. Also, is not wrong to charge what you think you deserve and more because technically, artists are also charging for commercial use unlike their usual stuff that is only for personal use only. They are paying for full ownership of the model + time + experience for it.

[@MylonDiggs]

@@skullysinner Actually any artist that is charging a streamer for commercial use and or full ownership of any model they are commissioned for is scamming people and needs to stop. Because commercial use by definition requires a financial transaction to take place which does not take place on streams due to them being free to watch and donating to a streamer is not the same as buying a movie ticket. Furthermore, artists do not own any part of any work they commissioned for. If I pay someone to make a model based on my own original character, they don't own it, I do. Lastly charging people more for the same work because you think you deserve it rather than based on any of the reasons listed in my initial comment is greedy plain and simple.

[@kuro19382]

That is one of the things that blows my mind... There are some vtubers that are/were hyping their debut for nearly two years.. What are people supposed to expect from that? You are taking T W O YEARS to put together a model, a streaming setup and maybe some custom artwork, if you don't even have the time to do it, how tf are you going to have time to stream on a regular basis? Imo those kinds of debuts are pure bs, pretty sure we all already learned that hype == dissapointment.

[@side7oldtype298]

Kinda reminds me of the pitches shown in Shark Tank or Dragons Den, they claim to be successful business but when the investors asked about their numbers, they're below average of what they claim as successful.

[@YuiTachibanaVT]

Let me just say your model is adorable af. Merchandise worthy for sure; Can't wait till you get that rolling!

[@MoonAeris]

Man, i don't even know how people can spend so much in Vtubing just out of nowhere, after a year of streaming i just bought my model, rigging included for 300 Dollars, and i feel its so high quality for the price (also living in a country with a 100 dollar minimum wage, and only doing part time, that 300 felt lke a million dollars to me).

[@Akindal89]

Wait do you mean $1 minimum wage? $100 an hour is way more than I make here in USA. Congratulations on the upgrades!!

[@MrJobocan]

@@Akindal89 She probably means monthly wage.

[@RanmaruRei]

@@Akindal89 Is not it monthly? What did you assume? I don't understand.

[@Akindal89]

@@RanmaruRei its common here for people to express their pay in dollars per hour rather than dollars per month until they make it to a job with a salary pay rate.

[@lagunist1078]

The Windows alert in the background is what sold me on this. I hope you have an amazing day y'all!

[@andresmc1802]

I think this is what I and some other people who are interested in the hobby needed to hear... Thanks rev

[@OcelotOmega]

I definitely agree with points made in this video, especially about trying streaming first. I get such a rush of endorphins while and after I stream, but I can fully understand that it's not for everyone, and streaming before you even have a model is a good way to test your hardware and work out any kinks you might have before sinking all that money into buying a model. Also, VRoid Studio is free, and you can find a lot of cool clothes, accessories, hairstyles, etc, on Booth, and I've even seen a couple things uploaded to itchio of all places.

[@CapoMiyo]

Most I spent on my model is the Live2D cubism subscription since I'm self made. Many people can also just get by with a PNG model. A model can carry you, sure... But the main thing keeping people around will be your personality and possibly your voice. When I started vtubing, my model was a mess and my mic was a cheap USB mic. I had to be a few months in before deciding I really liked this hobby, and I wanted to invest into a better mic. For me was already a BIG purchase JUST for an HOBBY. People jump into this hobby thinking they can make a living off it right off the start and get the money back and to spare, because they see big vtubers do "something anyone could do" with a "cute model". It's just not how it works, wish more people realized.

[@milooo1429]

This info is helpful exactly what I thought at first but wasn't sure enough but you prove it to be true to start small is fine and okay thank you for that as an aspiring streamer to entertain people in the future.

[@stoneomountain2390]

Sounds like a business decision, sometimes you start with a pushcart hot-dog stand, sometimes you buy a franchise. Either can flop gloriously.

[@AmaryInkawult]

You struck the nail with the investment topic. The commitment and investment is MANDATORY in this field. No half assing in any area of time, talent, likability, stream shit, and most importantly quality. If your stream is shit, you can have the most expensive model with as many booba animation and fireworks emotes for the stream, it all means NOTHING when your first stream turns your rig into a smoking brick. And your VTuber career will never get off the ground if you live on Twitter. Dedicate all your time on either VTweeting or VTubing, you can't have both and expect to get paid.

[@MrTobiasRieper]

Holy shit the windows sound at 4:42 made me search my whole screen for what it was lmao

[@Sevennnnnnn]

tbh im not even gonna lie rev's vutber model is the cutest and most expressive model ive ever seen

[@esselellis9979]

REV PLEASE DO A LIVESTREAM SOMETIME UR MODEL IS ADDICTIVELY ADORABLE

[@radiosilence8508]

If rev had a podcast I would watch that

[@flameshana9]

I remember the days when vtubers weren't everywhere. Seems like only yesteryear.

[@Plasmax13]

Agree with everything you said here, I liked streaming first and did vtubing later cause I thought why not. It’s been a crazy experience so far but I’m enjoying it.

[@BasementDragon]

Im going to try and rig my own model that friend made for my lol, prob gonna be bad at the start hehe. Your models really cool to only thing that rubs me wrong is how the glasses also move with the eye instead of just the eyes moving.

[@hokagotanktime5551]

Pretty sure you can rig a vroid model for basically free just need a camera lol

[@Furebel]

Rigging is not THAT easy, you need to first make the 2D drawings properly - layer them out, plan how to separate these pieces, and than set up a proper bones system onto these layers, and let's call it "program" or set up bones to do what you want them to do. For example you want back head piece to move up and face to move down when character will look down. You need to transfer this somehow to the software. However obviously pricing this for 20k USD is insanely overblown.

[@hokagotanktime5551]

@@Furebel i was talking about a software that's free to use, it's basically blender for idiots. With it you can make your model with preset options and if you want you can adjust all the meshes by hand. It's pretty fun to use and there is tons of free assets you can find on booth too. What I was saying is you can then plug the model into blender and use free software on steam, then rig it up to be a 3d vtuber model. Of course it's not gonna track the best but you can get better apps and items if you actually like vtubing. I know how hard it is to rig up a 2d model this is just a alternate option to even see if you like doing it without spending more than 50 bucks. Side note you can also use your model in VR games like VRC and chilloutvr (although they look a bit wonkey and are very hard to optimize for quest users but if you are streaming I don't recommend going into a public world anyway) I saw a video on how to set up a vroid model for streaming I'll link it if you want to see what it's all about.

[@glace38]

i’m over here trying to find those power point debuts

[@biffwellington6144]

That is a good price for your model! She's very cute, and well-animated for what she does (standing around and talking). And you also had a good following built up before commissioning her, which was a smart move. You knew you enjoyed streaming and making videos, and that that's a viable path for you. Taylor the Fiend is technically a vtuber, too, and he was also smart in how he went about it. He started out with a static image to represent him. He built up a following, and then he commissioned a simple 2D animated character. He grew his following, and now he has a cool 3D avatar. It'sAGundam also experimented with a 3D avatar, and I guess he decided it didn't work for him. But he also had a good following built up before trying it, and it seemed like he was doing a lot of work on that avatar himself, so it probably didn't cost him a whole lot of money (just time). He has since abandoned that avatar, but his videos are still enjoyable, so it doesn't really matter. You don't necessarily need an avatar that can do pretty much anything imaginable (including Rule 34 stuff), like what Projekt Melody has. I think she took a big chance on that model. It paid off for her (including a lot of SimplyFans money), but that's not a course I'd recommend to everyone looking to get into vtubing. Not that I'm an expert on vtubing or anything; I don't really even watch any vtubers, unless you count people like Rev, Taylor, and Gundam. But for some reason, I do enjoy watching guys like Rev and Hero Hei talk about vtubers, and all the drama in that community. It's weird. I'm weird. Meh, it's okay.

[@WolfRavN]

Yeah, that's kinda why I'm hesitant to explain that my models take a while and aren't cheap. This was what this wider community needed to hear, because it's time and work on a product that may do absolutely nothing for the buyer beyond look nice.

[@loff_xdd]

Probably important part of price could be where the artist is from.. someone from wealthy country won't be working for weeks for under a grand, but where I live average worker earns like 600/700 euros a month, so working your ss off for 2-3 weeks and earning 1k+ is decent deal in perspective.. can't imagine someone who can earn 3x more working at mcdonalds is gonna willingly sell their talents for as much xDD

[@TheHumbleGeek]

Ever since it became popular prices have supposedly skyrocketed.

[@ZhadTheRad]

Very valid points. And I think literally the only time you should (or well, can) spend thousands on a model before even having your first stream is your financially stable to the point where like $5k isn't really a setback, which I'd say requires a yearly income of like at least $90k - 100k. Meanwhile I, a small VTuber with less than 500 Twitch followers, has spent absolutely nothing on my models, as I've made them myself.

[@Eerie0Innocence]

There’s literally a free program where you can make a PNG move their mouth and blink. You just need four images, and plop it into OBS. And you can find folks that make static images/ PNGs, and their work costs a lot less than the Live2D models. I feel like that’d be a more reason’s place to start, and if you like it, THEN go the Live2D model route. I have pals that are learning the program right now to rig their own models, and it’s a time-consuming process. So I get why it costs so much to make one.

[@josueveguilla9069]

Vtubing is Love, Vtubing is Life

[@og_3rd_st_saint_gat]

On god it is

[@Inariann]

I started with a VRoid model cause it was free. Once I knew I wanted to keep going as a VTuber, I commissioned a fancier VRoid model from an artist that made really pretty textures. Once Vroid updated to 1.0 the model I paid for couldn't work anymore so I learned to draw and rig my own live2D model and updated my own model to be nicer over time.

[@noshi4661]

Okay so on the side note. Your model is awesome and this is the first time I'm seeing it it's pretty cute

[@golovkaanna8757]

A classic situation. Just like buying a 2000€ guitar instead of 200€ when you only start learning to slap. As a newbie you won't even notice the difference or even if you notice you won't be able to use advantages

[@anjuju2]

it might help a bit with getting ppl to drop by, but in the end its the personality and content that has to capture ppl

[@tubefaze]

Every I've seen someone ask Ironmouse about getting started she suggests using a free model first before spending anything. I remember Vei Bei did a rebrand and talked about the thousands she spent but that is reinvesting her earnings into her platform. Daidus was on stream making his own model and just rigging basic movements was taking awhile. There is a reason it's not cheap and people need to make sure they are in it for the long haul before dropping serious money.

[@terrakage4462]

Eh. That’s kinda why I am just making my own. I don’t think it’s **Super** difficult to make a functioning and decent model, just takes time. That’s really unless the model is really high detail, really expressive, etc. And even then there are mods that help to make that stuff easier. Imma just make my own model, if I ever need help or assistance I’ll pay for some help.

[@thelightkitsune9475]

I for one have wanted to be a Vtuber but I need to get into streaming. I’ll admit I’ve done some streaming over the summer and I like it. So big tip is try streaming before trying to be a Vtuber.

[@MidoriMae]

Wow. I'm an artist and I'm shocked the amount people would pay for these models. I should really look into this market thanks! I tried learning the l2d software last year and it's really not that bad. If you have any experience with 3d or aftereffects and understand vertexes, you're pretty much good to go. Of course I won't deny the sheer talent it takes to draw and rig a great model, but a simple one is really not that hard if you're willing to put in the time. 700 dollars? I can eat like a king for 2 weeks on that!

[@KnightofAges]

"How crazy is it to spend $5,000-$20,000 on a hobby you're not even sure you're cut out for". Well, since it's normal to spend upwards of $100,000 to get a degree one doesn't even know they'll like, Vtuber models are actually rather cheap.

[@Vinni-2K]

laughs in European

[@Furebel]

Oh I'm so glad that I can increase my prices just because I spent 12 years learning art. Right? RIGHT? Makes so much sense XD

[@MoeMoeJoeJoe]

Man, I was thinking about becoming a Vtuber. If I do, it'll cost me $0. I'm relatively good at 3D Modeling, Rigging, Weight Painting, Animating, and making Textures. I can do the whole kit and Kaboodle... except for faces.... I need to get better and modeling faces, that shit's hard.

[@Furebel]

You can transplant something from Vroid, or CC0 models from the internet and modify them yourself.

[@HutchTheWolf]

Aspiring Vtubers should start as PNGtubers; it’s probably quite a bit cheaper, gives you time to gain streaming experience and an audience.

[@nightmare_man_00gamingden15]

Geez i heard some of those models where pricey but 20k? Damn

[@xXYoTsuXx]

Thanks, because of this video i got to know its not that expensive to get one live 2d model >w

[@darkspineshadow76]

That's kinda funny that you said that. I've been thinking about trying vtubing but since I don't draw very fast and didn't have a final design yet so I couldn't commission anything I just started randomly streaming games I like while I brainstorm ideas. I get one or two people from time to time since I don't make announcements well but yeah, the one I am planning to get is between 80 and 120 cause I know my current set up can't handle live2D.

[@thediamondplanet_ttv]

Dropping 15K on a VTuber model without having any experience and without knowing if it IS SOMETHING YOU WANT TO DO is the equivalent of buying a car, without a driver's license, and eventually still walk everywhere.

[@DuyNguyen-cs5jj]

Your char model looks the cutest ngl! Keep it up Rev!