That weird switch which nobody could figure out - Beat Cut!?

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VWestlife

VWestlife

Күн бұрын

Exploring that one weird switch or button on your stereo system or boombox which you probably never knew the purpose of, or didn't even notice.
Time flow:
0:00 Introduction
1:10 Ambiguous terminology
3:03 Bias explained
4:41 Why it's needed
7:12 Example of its use
8:04 Beat Cut alternatives
9:59 Real-world sample
11:36 Still exists today!
12:25 Conclusion
#cassette #boombox #beats

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@endingman
@endingman Жыл бұрын
Obviously they couldn't use "Beat Off" as the nomenclature for that switch.
@danny-li6io
@danny-li6io Жыл бұрын
😂 nice!
@erictaylor5462
@erictaylor5462 Жыл бұрын
It's like on a fishing boat. They never call the person in charged of the bait the "Master Baiter"
@3rdalbum
@3rdalbum Жыл бұрын
They should have called it "Whistle Out"
@Wstarlights
@Wstarlights Жыл бұрын
"Sometimes you just gotta 'choke the chicken' when recording AM radio" ~ every AM radio recording enthusiast ever.
@SalMinella
@SalMinella Жыл бұрын
Kinky
@ok4todd
@ok4todd Жыл бұрын
Dude. You took the time to demonstrate for the world a puzzling mystery for me and my generation of radio geeks. Thank you!
@frankd.4528
@frankd.4528 Жыл бұрын
Agreed. I would’ve paid to know what the beat cancel button meant on my boom box on 1980!
@blaircox1589
@blaircox1589 Жыл бұрын
Lol, would have been helpful three decades ago! 😂
@AstrosElectronicsLab
@AstrosElectronicsLab Жыл бұрын
I figured it out a few years in to my adulthood and experimentation with radio receivers (building them and such) that they were referring to "beat frequency". But, when I was 10, I was just as perplexed as to what is this "beat" switch for as switching it on or off did nothing.
@SofaKingShit
@SofaKingShit Жыл бұрын
Before the internet you just had to ask around. Any book at the public library which might have helped was already stolen and that was that. Nowadays no one on You Tube even knows what a library is any more.
@lunarmodule6419
@lunarmodule6419 Жыл бұрын
Exactly!
@volvo480
@volvo480 Жыл бұрын
I have been tinkering with radios and recording since I was a kid and those devices were new, have a full amateur radio license and have a degree in high frequency electronic engineering AND I NEVER KNEW UNTIL TODAY WHERE THAT SWITCH WAS FOR! Thank you for explaining this unusual but very useful feature. 😅
@Recordology
@Recordology Жыл бұрын
I think it’s interesting that over the years they didn’t come out with a marketing term that would explain its function better for people who had no idea. Something like “Radio Noise Reduction” akin to Dolby.
@rijjhb9467
@rijjhb9467 Жыл бұрын
Sony got close: ISS "interference suppression switch"
@GaryKeepItSimple
@GaryKeepItSimple Жыл бұрын
@@rijjhb9467 The term Beat is technically correct it is a beat frequency.
@Owyn_Merrilin
@Owyn_Merrilin Жыл бұрын
@@GaryKeepItSimple And the technically correct term for what Dolby Noise Reduction does is compansion, but they sure as hell didn't market it as a compander to the general public.
@andrewstewart8704
@andrewstewart8704 Жыл бұрын
The all new (beat) function allows you to cut the whining noise when recording AM stations lol Marketing timing 50 years too late lol
@AstrosElectronicsLab
@AstrosElectronicsLab Жыл бұрын
Why would they. It's like "2000W PMPO" found on boom boxes in the late '90's, early 2000's. No one actually knew what that meant, either - except maybe for people like me. Another fictitious marketing measurement of perceived output power. It's interesting that they can get 2000 watts from an amplifier that was running on 12V maximum producing under 3 watts.
@disgruntledfaerie
@disgruntledfaerie Жыл бұрын
Having parts of your narration play from cassettes was a really cool touch in this!
@lukasgayer5393
@lukasgayer5393 Жыл бұрын
This video fixed my childhood! And I am pretty sure not just my childhood. Thanks for the explanation!
@kpanic23
@kpanic23 Жыл бұрын
When recording from FM radio it's actually the opposite: The 19kHz pilot tone of the stereo multiplex interferes with the bias frequency or the frequency of the erase head, causing a beat frequency resulting in an audible whine. That's what the MPX filter is for: It's just a notch filter that removes the 19kHz pilot tone and the 38kHz subcarrier.
@davidg4288
@davidg4288 Жыл бұрын
The 19kHz can also interfere with Dolby noise reduction when recording tapes. I also discovered another use for the MPX filter, some CD's and even LP's were very hard to record, they'd produce distortion on cymbals when recording. Changing the bias and recording levels reduced but would not eliminate the problem. Other cassette decks and even reel to reel would also have the problem. I finally realized frequencies in the cymbal sound were mixing with the tape bias in a nonlinear way and producing an unpleasant sound. I don't know if this was intentional analog copy protection or just an artifact. MPX filter would almost completely solve the problem even though the recording was from CD or LP and not FM stereo.
@circattle
@circattle Жыл бұрын
@@davidg4288 Did this happen mainly with rock music recordings? I guess the reason is because the drum sounds and cymbals are always very compressed on that genre of music making them consistently loud at a relatively high level. That would do it.
@davidg4288
@davidg4288 Жыл бұрын
@@circattle This was a long time ago, I recall it happening in progressive rock and fusion jazz which was NOT very compressed but did have all the highs they could record. Recording at a lower level did not fix it, it was more frequency than loudness related. I no longer have working tape machines to test with.
@shipsahoy1793
@shipsahoy1793 Жыл бұрын
BNMRR .. Beat Noise Mitigation for Radio Recording!😉
@judsonleach5248
@judsonleach5248 Жыл бұрын
OK!.... "It's Official" - You are NOW my New Hero! - They NEVER taught is this stuff back at Berklee in Boston in the 80s! - So GLAD I found your channel!!! 🙂
@EddieJazzFan
@EddieJazzFan Жыл бұрын
This was very well done and explained so you can easily understand. Next, you should do a video on the "MPX' filter button on cassette decks.
@CraigTube
@CraigTube Жыл бұрын
Yes, sort of a related topic but different.
@nakazul1
@nakazul1 Жыл бұрын
Yes please, if anybody can make me understand MPX it is Mr VW 👌
@eDoc2020
@eDoc2020 Жыл бұрын
MPX is FM stereo. It works with a nearly inaudible 19kHz carrier tone which could beat with the recorder's bias oscillator. The MPX filter removes this high frequency so this doesn't happen.
@Anon-fv9ee
@Anon-fv9ee Жыл бұрын
MPX is short for "multiplex". An FM signal can have up to 6 signals mixed together - L+R, 19kHz pilot, L-R, 57kHz RDS (scrolling text) plus 2 hidden subcarriers at 67kHz & 92kHz. I've never seen an MPX filter button but it would work on the same principle. I have seen MPX line-out sockets on vintage Sonys (mid-70's). This was when FM was new and allowed outboard equipment to decode the stereo or subcarriers.
@chrislawuk
@chrislawuk Жыл бұрын
@@Anon-fv9ee wow, that’s very cool. As fascinating as the Beat Cut issue although I never saw an MPX marking on the many radio recorders I had growing up, unlike Beat Cut which was a constant mystery. I’d love to know what the optional FM subcarriers were used for - audio? Surely not? Do the illuminati have their own commercial free versions of popular radio stations? Military use?
@toasTr0n
@toasTr0n Жыл бұрын
Finally! The answer to one of those technical quandaries that used to drive me crazy, and an answer I had all but forgotten that I wanted to know. LOL! I wish I had been able to solve this about 35 years ago, but better late than never. Although I am unlikely to ever use one of these switches again, this satisfies me greatly. Great demonstration, too. Thank you! 😁
@dukeofthebump
@dukeofthebump Жыл бұрын
For anyone who doesn't know, "beat" in this sense can refer to the observable difference between *any* two frequencies, not just audio (although audio is where the term is encountered most often, which no doubt adds to the confusion with the musical homonym.) But for example, if the turn signals on two cars seem to be flashing in sync, but the signal on car A is just a little bit slower and starts flashing more and more behind that of car B, you're seeing the signals' beat frequency
@crabby7668
@crabby7668 Жыл бұрын
Pilots of multi engined bombers during ww2 used to synchronise their engines to prevent the loud "pulsing" of the beat frequencies between the engines. Allegedly the Germans didn't bother so much and people could tell the difference between formations of German and allied planes because the German aircraft had a distinctive drone caused by the beats.
@paulh5293
@paulh5293 Жыл бұрын
100%. If it's of interest: before the days of digital tuning meters this is exactly how pipe-organ tuners used to "lay down" the middle octave of a set of pipes, playing fifths and fourths - each interval between 2 notes should have a specific number of "beats" (different for each two notes) in the same way as you describe. Once you've laid the bearings of that reference octave, you then simply tune the rest to exact octaves of each note with no beat audible.
@crabby7668
@crabby7668 Жыл бұрын
Irc another example is when you see wheels or propellers in films, slow right down or even reverse as the vehicle is moving. This happens because the "frame speed" or frequency of the camera is interacting with the frequency of rotation of the wheel or propellor. When the frequencies get close to each other, you start to see the beat frequency or difference between them. This is what gives the odd looking effects and can often be seen best in old movies with stage coaches or steam trains with spoked wheels.
@TheParadiseParadox
@TheParadiseParadox Жыл бұрын
In music I have heard it referred to as "beating" which can be a clearer term
@Intimatycal
@Intimatycal Жыл бұрын
@@crabby7668 not true. Germans used tiny propelers on their wings that would create siren-like sounds during high speed dives so they can psychologically dominate over people by frightening them further more. Look it up
@thomaslau8806
@thomaslau8806 Жыл бұрын
Thank you for the explanation, my younger self back in the 80's always wonder what the beat cut switch did.
@CoolDudeClem
@CoolDudeClem Жыл бұрын
A long time ago back when I was a kid I didn't know what that button did, so I tried it and smoke came out! It was obviously faulty but for a long time after that I stayed away from ever using that on anything else that had it.
@blitzstrahl
@blitzstrahl Жыл бұрын
So it did what it said, it "cut your beats".
@crazyrickhixon5977
@crazyrickhixon5977 Жыл бұрын
😂
@PassengersMusic777
@PassengersMusic777 Жыл бұрын
I think you had a Mission Impossible tape recorder
@KeepsOnBurning
@KeepsOnBurning Жыл бұрын
More than 30 years I have been waiting for this explanation. Thank you so much.
@Hotpack7279
@Hotpack7279 Жыл бұрын
You solved a mystery for me I never knew I had. 😂
@Earcandy73
@Earcandy73 Жыл бұрын
Great explanation! While living in the UK, I had a 1980 mono radio-cassette recorder manufactured by PYE. The beat switch was labeled RIF. Later on, here in NJ I received a crappy Soundesign boombox (1988). It had a beat-cut switch.
@gordonwelcher9598
@gordonwelcher9598 Жыл бұрын
As an amateur radio operator I immediately recognized the function.
@duprie37
@duprie37 Жыл бұрын
I remember back in 1985 I was 12 years old and had saved up for months & months to buy a boombox costing AU$120 (AU$390 in today's money). It looked a lot like the one you used to show what DC bias sounds like. When I got home I was so disappointed and took it back saying the record function is broken, it sounds all hissy and distorted. So they gave me another unit, different brand, same build. It had exactly the same problem and I took it back again. This time the salesman got annoyed with me: "what are you talking about, it works fine, I can't hear a thing!" I played him the hissy FM recording & he stood there saying he couldn't hear anything. He must have known it was DC bias that was causing it. But anyway I had to keep it. These days I know what the issue was: they were indeed using cheap DC bias circuits in many "cheap" mid-80s boomboxes. Unbelievable that they were charging the equivalent of $400 for such a rubbish product! I was so upset I didn't buy another boombox for 4 years. Everyone's nostalgic for 80s gear now but it was mostly just one massive scam as I remember it. The quality of audio gear you can get for a fraction of the price nowadays is just incredible.
@AVERYhornyMrDinosaur
@AVERYhornyMrDinosaur Жыл бұрын
everything's still a scam.. the target just moved away from sound systems a bit
@jenx5870
@jenx5870 Жыл бұрын
I am your age. I have misophonia, and I have very sensitive ears, but I also have extremely good hearing. I can hear people whispering across a room when I teach classes (I am an RN trainer, and sometimes surprise my students when I hear what they say). The point is, my ears picked up everything when the music coming out of a cassette or record player was good or bad. My parents had both good and bad stereos, and I had a good Walkman growing up. There weren't scams, unless you bought from a less than reputable dealer who gave you a fake product. There were, however, limitations in the technology available back then. We didn't have the dehissers that we have now, the ability to compress like we do now, etc. It was limited in the recording, so the sound coming out was less than ideal, therefore, the sound we heard was less than ideal. Stereo was a newer concept, and the mono songs were being converted. Some hiss was expected, because that was part of the original recording process, and needed to be removed by using the dials on your equipment and dialing the treble and bass, etc. Audiophiles, such as myself, have grown to love the familiar pops and crackles of vinyl. It's the imperfections of recordings that bring them to life. It's nostalgia. If you go back and listen to the original recordings, you will hear those same hissy (and in the case of mono, tinny) imperfections. It is what it is. The music was far superior back then, despite the technological recording limitations. We had creativity on our side. I will take the 80s any day.
@AudioMobil
@AudioMobil Жыл бұрын
Thank you very much this video! For many years I've seen these switches again and again...but never could figure out any difference when turning them to a different position (because I never recorded AM radio).
@jeremyzenkar8996
@jeremyzenkar8996 Жыл бұрын
"...I know this topic may be of diminishing relevance..." It certainly isn't. This is an excellent representation of the phase shift in frequencies that college physics students learn about that you can hear. When you are doing the calculations, it's hard to visualize what they mean. This is a great tutorial.
@2011joser
@2011joser Жыл бұрын
Thank you for solving a 40 year old question for me. That switch has mystified me since my first boombox.
@michelealessandrini3421
@michelealessandrini3421 Жыл бұрын
My god I had it too in the 80s and never had any idea of what it was! But here in Italy AM radio was never used, even back then. I remember asking my cousin (expert in all kind of audio equipment) and he was like "uh sure that's... uhm... the beat... cut" and changed topic 😂
@BradTheProducer
@BradTheProducer Жыл бұрын
In the 90's, I inherited my dad's 1982 F100 pickup that only had an AM radio in it (the kind with the 5 preset buttons that go KER-CHUNK when you press them.) The only station I could stand listening to that wasn't Hits of the 50's or hardline conservative talk radio was Radio Disney. But that station always had a high-pitched squeal that directly lined up with how hard I was pressing the gas pedal. So as I was accelerating, the sound would drown out whatever S Club 7 sounding stuff I was trying to rock out to. Now I think I understand what was happening.
@brianleeper5737
@brianleeper5737 Жыл бұрын
High pitched squeals that change with the engine speed are almost always due to alternator noise. Either the radio or the alternator had a problem.
@Narayan_1996
@Narayan_1996 Жыл бұрын
This video was so nice to watch, I love both cassettes and AM/FM Radio, I used to record music from the air broadcasts of my city on my tapes back when I was a kid, and oh boy, I miss those days with my little and cheap Lennox all-in-one.
@error52
@error52 Жыл бұрын
I remember I found what that switch is for, when I read the manual for my favorite soviet boombox - the VEF 260. That thing is an excellent AM receiver, with the regular medium wave band split in two for better selectivity, so the engineers who designed it put some care in explaining what the bias switch does. The switch has three positions, but what was NOT explained was that it would shift the bias frequency enough to allow recording on chrome tapes.
@needfortweed8734
@needfortweed8734 Жыл бұрын
I have not had this problem (Radio stations here in Norway typically used FM, and those were the ones I recorded off of) but I am still thrilled that I now know more about recording and radio and such. So thank you for that, mr. Westlife.
@GeneSavage
@GeneSavage Жыл бұрын
I NEVER knew the difference in the sound quality of certain recorders was DC bias vs. AC bias. Holy crud! This video amped up my knowledge in several areas. Thank you!!
@dolphincliffs8864
@dolphincliffs8864 Жыл бұрын
AC/DC
@stevie.dx1710
@stevie.dx1710 Жыл бұрын
This is such an informative and fun channel. I actually knew about this and used it all the time on a JVC boombox with AM/FM/SW in the early 80s. It was labeled BFO. Loved those days.
@stevie.dx1710
@stevie.dx1710 Жыл бұрын
@@gorak9000 Beat Frequency Oscillator. But you were close. LOL
@vanhetgoor
@vanhetgoor Жыл бұрын
I think it was somewhere around the year 2006 when AM radio was switched off for over here in Holland. I live approximately 15 kilometers from where a big transmission site was, one megaWatt of power and all over the band there were hums and hisses, clicks and tones, everything else was completely unlistenable caused by the disturbance. Recently I bought again an AM radio and to my surprise the disturbance was gone and so where all AM radio stations, I knew that the biggest part of them were closing down, but I never bothered to try. Now there is some talk radio in foreign languages and so now and then a far away station with unrecognisable local pop music. It sounds like going on a holiday, then I always listen to whatever station that is on the air. Recipes and politics in French and people worrying about nothing important. Goodbye AM, it was nice 40 years ago, but not any more.
@JesperD87
@JesperD87 Жыл бұрын
I'm also from The Netherlands, the last high power AM transmitter here was switched off in 2019: 1008 kHz from the Flevoland transmitter. Originally 400 kW daytime power, only 100 kW or so in the later years. Shortly after the final closedown, the transmitter was demolished. It was a nice piece of engineering, an anti fading antenna transmitting on both 747 and 1008 kHz, 400 kW each. 747 went off air in 2015. Nowadays, several low power AM stations are legally on air all over the country on numerous frequencies, power levels between 1 W and 100 W. Maybe one of them is nearby, maybe you're able to receive several after dark. I like that :) Apart from that, I tune in to Radio Caroline on 648 kHz broadcasting from Orfordness, UK from time to time. One of the few music stations transmitting on AM/medium wave.
@vanhetgoor
@vanhetgoor Жыл бұрын
@@JesperD87 Yes, it was a year in the two thousand range, the programmes were aimed at elderly women ("de Muzikale Fruitmand" and that programme with Willy Walden and Ase Rasmussen, "Raad een Lied of Niet").
@RealEpikCartfrenYT
@RealEpikCartfrenYT Жыл бұрын
I'm from Bosnia. I sometimes catch a Romanian AM station but they seem to be exclusively a talk show station. Other times, when I'm out in the field, I catch a (I think) military station all the way from Russia at night.
@chupathingy5862
@chupathingy5862 Жыл бұрын
You ought to archive these tapes! How fascinating! Thanks for solving this mystery, I've always wondered about that.
@vwestlife
@vwestlife Жыл бұрын
The tapes *are* my archive. They've lasted longer than any computer or CD-R I could've transferred them onto.
@JaredConnell
@JaredConnell Жыл бұрын
I dont even own any tapes, records, or even cds anymore but i love watching your channel on subjects like this! Thanks for all the entertaining and educational videos!
@MrZedblade
@MrZedblade Жыл бұрын
I grew up in the 80s and 90s. I think I owned (or more likely my parents owned) at least two of the exact stereos shown in this video. I used to record music from the radio all the time. I had no idea what that "beat"/"iss" button did. It only took like 40 years but now I finally understand it!
@Hydra360ci
@Hydra360ci Жыл бұрын
yeah... well... who in the 80 and 90's recorded from AM, regardless?
@RacerX-
@RacerX- Жыл бұрын
Nice clear explanation. I did always wonder about it back in the 80s but I never recorded AM. Still, it’s nice to get an explanation decades later. Thanks!
@nazznomad
@nazznomad Жыл бұрын
I'm amazed and blown away that you even thought of a video like this. Only you Sir and what a great video !
@straightpipediesel
@straightpipediesel Жыл бұрын
Many ham radios and high-end shortwave radios have a "beat shift" or "clock shift" as well. The interference is from the local oscillators and CPU clocks. With CPUs, IFs, and internal buses now in the tens to hundreds of MHz, it can affect VHF/FM radio, and similarly, the feature changes oscillator frequency slightly to place the "birdies" off the frequency you're listening to. Most modern radios have firmware that automatically activates this when you punch in a problematic frequency, so you'd never know it's being used.
@ceticobr
@ceticobr Жыл бұрын
I love these mystery solving videos by VWestlife. Now I know.
@atomicagegamer3693
@atomicagegamer3693 Жыл бұрын
Holy Crow; that was a good explanation! Just based on the term "Beat Cut", I would have thought that it had something to do with adding blank sound, before the start of a recording, which wasn't even close.
@davidsmall6322
@davidsmall6322 Жыл бұрын
Excellent stuff. Always good. But, this one in particular scratched a very deep itch.
@dav1dbone
@dav1dbone Жыл бұрын
Wow, never knew that, also think there could be a reason to do a video on bias too, maybe comparing different methods and frequencies, could also record in Audacity and pitch shift so we can hear different AC bias signals, cool!
@paolorams767
@paolorams767 Жыл бұрын
thanks for this video, I always asked about it, but I never found a so clear and easy explanation
@gideon3648
@gideon3648 Жыл бұрын
An excellent video. Despite being big into recording I never knew this, but then pretty much all my radio recordings were from FM and like many others I obviously didn't read manuals as fully as I could have. Thinking about it, I feel the switch should really be called AM Whine Cut.
@circattle
@circattle Жыл бұрын
@Vaquero357 But that is superheterodyne beating caused by two stations in close proximity, rather than that caused by the tape bias oscillator. I think the marketing departments of these products wouldn't want to claim they are solving that problem which is actually most of the whistling sounds on AM.
@Taketimeout3
@Taketimeout3 Жыл бұрын
I truly learned something today. And just because you have spoken about them the under appreciated cheap end stereo systems of the 80s might get the respect they deserve. There were some great systems produced round then, like the Aria FX series, even the cheapest FX 20 came with a neat linear tracking turntable. No kidding.
@Lachlant1984
@Lachlant1984 Жыл бұрын
I've owned several stereos with a beat cut switch, when the time I was about 9 or 10 I discovered that if I was recording on AM radio and played with the switch, I'd hear that whistling noise, I have a recording of a radio program on a tape and I was playing with the beat cut switch while recording, so you hear lots of whistling noises. I remember Mum had a Sanyo portable stereo with a beat cut switch, and I remember recording on it in around 1991 and the switch was set in the wrong place, so all through that recording, you hear that bloody howling noise. I was only 7, so I didn't understand that I needed to change the switch setting. My own tape recorders were DC Bias, so didn't need a beat cut switch. This video makes me wish KZbin had been around in the 90s. BTW, I love your collection of radios and tape recorders, I wish I had more like that. I have a Sony CFD-S28L that has, I believe, 5 ISS settings, and I never knew what that did. Mind you I've never used that unit to record AM radio, only FM.
@JeffBreyer
@JeffBreyer Жыл бұрын
I had always wondered what that was. I had played around with it thinking beat cut literally meant it cut the drum beat out of a song. Of course it didn't. Thanks for sharing this!
@TorontoJon
@TorontoJon Жыл бұрын
Thanks, VWestlife, for your in-depth video about the beat cut switch. I recall seeing that switch on some of my previous boomboxes from the mid-1980's to the 90's (Prosonic, Samsung, Fisher, etc.) and never understood what it was for. Now I know and knowing is half the battle. G.I. Joe! All the best. :)
@ctrlaltrees
@ctrlaltrees Жыл бұрын
What a fascinating video - today I finally learned what the mysterious "beat cut" was all about! Thanks! 🙂
@coondogtheman
@coondogtheman Жыл бұрын
I've had a few stereos that had this beat cut switch but I could never figure out what it did. I now know thanks to your video. Back in the 80s my parents had a JCPenney stereo system which was a receiver, a tape deck, and turntable up top. I remember it having those function symbols in blue on your stereo seen in the beginning of the video but clear because they lit up on a gray background when a function is selected.
@grantm902
@grantm902 Жыл бұрын
"Beat Cut" is why Edward Scissorhands never looked at naughty magazines
@molybd3num823
@molybd3num823 Жыл бұрын
lol
@misters2837
@misters2837 Жыл бұрын
😂
@rocktech7144
@rocktech7144 Жыл бұрын
Hahahaha
@zakskinner4780
@zakskinner4780 Жыл бұрын
🥇
@chrissanders2562
@chrissanders2562 Жыл бұрын
🤣
@HannuPulli
@HannuPulli Жыл бұрын
Nice to know, I remember seeing such a swich and also wondering about the purpose of those loop antennas.
@pcno2832
@pcno2832 Жыл бұрын
I remember those switches. I think there was even one one, or the markings for one, on a boombox that had a flip-out erase magnet and wouldn't have needed such a switch. The other mysterious switch I remember from that era was the "stereo wide" switch, which emphasized the sounds that were different from left to right, making the stereo effect more pronounced, despite the close spacing between the speakers. It was a cool feature, but if the speakers had been angled out on more boomboxes, there would have been less of a need for it.
@hello_world777
@hello_world777 Жыл бұрын
Great video! Thanks for the knowledge!
@danny-li6io
@danny-li6io Жыл бұрын
Thank you so much for addressing this! It’s an unsolved mystery from a crappy boom box I had as a child. The completely unnecessary, meaningless “beat cancel” switch. It was only to fill space.
@jasonwilliams6005
@jasonwilliams6005 Жыл бұрын
I have it on my RCA boombox. Never knew what it was until now.
@MacPhantom
@MacPhantom Жыл бұрын
This was a genuinely good and informative video, even if AM is pretty much dead where I normally live. I just recently even came across beat cut switches and at some point even mistakenly assumed they were for signal rewiring to cancel the centre portion of a stereo song (i.e., cut out vocals on cheap Karaoke systems). D'oh!
@steeviebops
@steeviebops Жыл бұрын
Great video, I never knew what this switch did either! Since you mentioned long wave, the Irish station on 252 kHz (RTÉ Radio 1) is closing it's LW transmitter on Friday 14th April, less than two weeks away. Not much left although BBC Radio 4 on 198 kHz is still clinging on for now.
@Choralone422
@Choralone422 Жыл бұрын
I have always wondered what the purpose of those switches were on radios from decades ago. I never did record anything from AM onto cassette tapes so I never figured this out. Excellent explanation and demonstrations too!
@nickvickers3486
@nickvickers3486 Жыл бұрын
Fascinating video, I didn't know what it was for either! What I do know is that after seeing this many folks will be flocking to MW, popping in a tape, pressing record and seeing if their old machine rocks a 'beat cut' facility... Let the good times and the cassette decks roll!))
@kaitlyn__L
@kaitlyn__L Жыл бұрын
Always wondered why it was sometimes called an oscillator switch. I’d assumed it introduced a 180° out of phase signal into the tape recording to filter out something from the radio, didn’t realise it was the tape deck’s own bias frequency. Slightly altering the frequency so it’s no longer harmonic makes much more sense than a phase inversion too, especially since you need the switch in one position for some frequencies, another for others, and makes no difference in yet others. Nice demonstration. Also makes your recent poll contextualised ;) I always saw MW called AM or AM/MW here because I’m a child of the 90s, but had figured it was “medium” by means of exclusion from being included alongside SW and LW even though it wasn’t labelled MW on my dad’s fancy receiver.
@barthandelus8340
@barthandelus8340 Жыл бұрын
40 years later, I finally find out what that means. I can rest easy now. Thank you!
@Linuxpunk81
@Linuxpunk81 Жыл бұрын
😂Wow I don't remember this at all, probably because I would never have used it. But as soon as you mentioned AM radio I knew exactly what it was for 😊I could hear the AM beat in my head, my mom used to listen to a lot of am radio, she was older and AM played music from the 40s and 50s etc. Great video 🖖
@davidclarke6658
@davidclarke6658 Жыл бұрын
Very interesting, I never knew what it was, and I'm 49 years old. I mainly recorded from the FM band, so it wouldn't have been really an issue for me back in the day. AM still going strong here in Australia. They have mainly voice for AM and FM for music with exceptions. I live in Country Victoria and they have a music radio station on AM (531 khz). Nothing beats the range of those low frequency AM broadcast stations.
@KristopherNoronha
@KristopherNoronha Жыл бұрын
I can imagine a country the size of Australia needs something better than line of sight for transmission. I once picked up a faint signal from radio Ceylon in Mumbai on a pocket handheld, I remember it was during a power cut back in the 80s so local interference was probably low enough to let it through. still, that signal travelled over a 1000 miles with a few mountains in between!
@Sierra747
@Sierra747 Жыл бұрын
Very interesting. I’ve seen those buttons years ago in the 80’s and 90’s on my old boom box radios but as never recorded off mw radio I didn’t need it not that I knew what it did back then anyway!
@albertocabezas282
@albertocabezas282 Жыл бұрын
This is the clearest and cleanest explanation about this mysterious button. Thank you very much.
@garp32
@garp32 Жыл бұрын
Great job explaining that. I myself have always wondered what that was all about. Very cool you had some real life samples and could duplicate the issue. Thanks for the new wrinkle in my brain!
@jamesdye4603
@jamesdye4603 Жыл бұрын
I still have the only two "boom boxes" I have ever owned, and neither of them have the switch. But, being the nostalgia hound I am, I'm certain I will own one at some point.
@PascalGienger
@PascalGienger Жыл бұрын
I learned now that "beat" or "beat frequency" is what is called in German "Schwebung" - the amplitude changing signal resulting in two frequencies next to each other. The amplitude changing frequency is then approximately the difference of the two involved frequencies (in first order). Was an effect very used by musicians on their analog synthesizers ;-)
@lawrencedoliveiro9104
@lawrencedoliveiro9104 Жыл бұрын
The English technical term is “heterodyne”. Also used as the basis for higher-frequency radio receivers (e.g. FM).
@cptnpycho
@cptnpycho Жыл бұрын
Love the videos!!! Everything you post is both informative and educational. Thanks for taking the time to make these, even if it’s simple stuff. Greeting from Northeast PA
@freemanconnell8134
@freemanconnell8134 Жыл бұрын
Great explanation, thanks! I have not recorded off AM in 40+ years but good to know exactly what that little beat cut button did, not to mention its the same as OSC, ISS, etc. 😊
@KarlAdamsAudio
@KarlAdamsAudio Жыл бұрын
Very well explained. I would imagine that the 'correct' setting moves the beat frequency above the audible range. I suppose it would even have been possible to automate this - with a modern radio tuner having a digital display, there's enough information available to pick a bias frequency that won't beat in the audible range without requiring user input, not that this would have ever been cost-effective in the sort of devices that actually needed it.
@denmoer
@denmoer Жыл бұрын
This is the most useful video on KZbin I have ever watched, I have a GPX AM FM & tape player, I bought way back in the 80s, "still works LOL", it has a Beat switch on the end by the power input cord, never in my life, could I figure out what it did, thanks to you video, I now can get a good night sleep, without the perplexed worry I always felt from that Beat unsolved mystery
@yueibm
@yueibm Жыл бұрын
I forgot how confused I was with this back in the day! Thanks!
@M6GOF
@M6GOF Жыл бұрын
A brilliant video. I always wondered what the hell this function was on portable stereos back in the day, and it was also poorly described. It's been a question circling around in my brain for years. Thanks dude.
@richmorrison8194
@richmorrison8194 Жыл бұрын
I used to work in retail electronics and did not have a friggin' clue what that beat cut switch was for. I too looked through the manuals for an explanation to no avail. Thank you for clarifying that for me.
@tallyankeegal
@tallyankeegal Жыл бұрын
I have been a electronics hobbyist over 50 YEARS and I Learn something, thanks! 👍
@haqitman
@haqitman Жыл бұрын
Even reading the instructions back in the day I didn't understand what problem it was trying to solve until seeing this video. Thank you!
@FilipMaes
@FilipMaes Жыл бұрын
thank you for this weirdly satisfying video coming up with an answer to a question we had 30 years ago... This must be high on the list of "practical reasons why we need time travelling"
@TechNoPhobiaGirl
@TechNoPhobiaGirl Жыл бұрын
Awesome video, as always, my friend! I'm astounded at how much WORK/TIME/EFFORT you put into your fantastic demonstrations! You are to be COMMENDED! :)
@zaphodb777
@zaphodb777 Жыл бұрын
I always wanted a SW boom box with a BFO. Beat cutting is fine, and thanks for telling us. But I like to be able to listen to SSB transmissions too. :)
@THOMMGB
@THOMMGB Жыл бұрын
Thanks so much for that very thorough explanation. I knew about the Beat switch and knew it had something to do with AM radio, but that's about it.
@OneRoomShed
@OneRoomShed Жыл бұрын
I've never heard bias compared to msg before. That had me in tears. 🤣🤣
@rsmith8119
@rsmith8119 Жыл бұрын
Excellent video. Thanks for taking the time to explain this. I never knew either!
@atrainradio929
@atrainradio929 Жыл бұрын
Thank you VWestlife for making these well done videos on topics few know about.
@peterbradburn9115
@peterbradburn9115 Жыл бұрын
Thank you for making this. Always wondered what it was supposed to do. In UK, in the mid eighties when I was recording from the radio, pretty much all music stations had gone to FM, or VHF as we liked to call it, so no wonder couldn't work out what it did
@bobblum5973
@bobblum5973 Жыл бұрын
The "beat" is basically beating two signals together. It's the "B" in BFO, the Beat Frequency Oscillator, which mixes a second signal with a received single sideband (SSB) one to allow it to be heard normally.
@lawrencedoliveiro9104
@lawrencedoliveiro9104 Жыл бұрын
Getting that frequency wrong produces some entertaining effects ...
@devintariel3769
@devintariel3769 Жыл бұрын
We use those in ADF
@16mmDJ
@16mmDJ Жыл бұрын
Thanks for taking the time to share this with us!
@KarlWitsman
@KarlWitsman Жыл бұрын
Great job! As soon as you mentioned it in the venue of shortwave, I knew exactly what beats you meant.
@ukstevengill
@ukstevengill Жыл бұрын
Seen this on various products growing up and never knew what it was for! My father said 'its mainly for LW and we dont really listen to those frequencies' so thank you for that! Very informative!!
@FixerUK
@FixerUK Жыл бұрын
Finally got the answer for something that puzzled me without realising until now for some 30+ years. Thank you, I can rest easy now😉
@HelloKittyFanMan
@HelloKittyFanMan Жыл бұрын
And you even explained what sort of disadvantage might come from just leaving beat cut on all the time, hence the ability to turn it off. So thanks, nice video!
@dougbrowning82
@dougbrowning82 Жыл бұрын
It becomes more confusing when, as on a couple of units in the video, the same switch has multiple functions, ie: tape playback eq, ISS mode, and FM stereo mode.
@Ian97469
@Ian97469 Жыл бұрын
I used this for the first time on Friday to make a posterity recording of RTE 1 on 252kHz longwave using a Siemens RK770. As soon as I pressed record I got a loud whine, but having watched this video just a few days before I knew what to do! Perfect! Thank you! (The SWLing Post brought me here).
@phildavis1723
@phildavis1723 Жыл бұрын
Congrats! This is the first time you filled a gap in my knowledge that I always wondered about!
@drjankenstein
@drjankenstein Жыл бұрын
i love how your videos are like, this wonderful trip to the fever dreams of trying to figure out ham radios growing up in mercer county with the random ass stations you test with
@TheVintageApplianceEmporium
@TheVintageApplianceEmporium Жыл бұрын
Wow, you learn something new every day. Thank you! Always wondered what that switch did
@Darrylizer1
@Darrylizer1 Жыл бұрын
Wow! I used to have that very GE boombox at 9:14. that was a good little unit. I had it in my art studio and it was painted with extra paint and a little splattered as well.
@tangosucka8526
@tangosucka8526 Жыл бұрын
Fantastic video my Man! You just solved a 30 year old mystery for someone who owns around 20 boomboxes. I was always meant to research it, but never got around to it. And for that I thank you, all the way from Western Australia 👍🏼
@CapnKetchup
@CapnKetchup Жыл бұрын
Awesome breakdown and explanation. Thank you. I love this kind of nostalgia.
@damnperrys1
@damnperrys1 Жыл бұрын
Thank you so much for improving my knowledge! I humbly thank you for your efforts!
@bbishoppcm
@bbishoppcm Жыл бұрын
I had a 1994 Sanyo boombox back in the day with this switch in the back. Thank you for answering this question after 29 years of head scratching.
@samsungtvset3398
@samsungtvset3398 Жыл бұрын
I always thought it was in reference to a possible beat between the bias oscillator and the 38kHz FM pilot tone. You learn something new every day.
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