Wagner-Die Walkure-"Leb wohl,du kunhes, herrliches Kind!"

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Gabriella Alù

Gabriella Alù

Күн бұрын

Die Walkure, from Bayreuth 1976, recorded 1980. Donald McIntyre as Wotan, Gwyneth Johnes as Brunhilde. Conducted by Pierre Boulez, directed by Patrice Chéreau

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@hermanzoon
@hermanzoon 17 жыл бұрын
McIntyre, one of the absolute great Wotans. He is phenomenal here.
@stefanfritz3647
@stefanfritz3647 12 жыл бұрын
The perfect Wotan - a real Bassbariton. He has no problem with the high notes like bass Wotans but also has the warm and strong middle voice that some of the baritones do not. Klasse.
@wagnerfan27
@wagnerfan27 16 жыл бұрын
This very scene from the Boulez Ring was my first introduction to Wagner...it disturbed me greatly and thrilled me beyond words. Wagner truly plumbed the depths of emotion at its darkest (and most beautiful) levels.
@TimothyJonSarris
@TimothyJonSarris 13 жыл бұрын
It's so important to observe that when singing in this theater how the singers are easily able to project their voices. At minute 6:00 one hears how McIntyre bring's down his huge voice to a pianissimo while still being clearly heard. It's another reason why singers enjoy Bayreuth so much because the orchestra is under the stage, allowing them to play out without covering the voices. Pity not all houses are constructed like so. An open pit can cause an imbalance if conductors are not careful.
@serrc1
@serrc1 13 жыл бұрын
The way McIntyre times his walk (3:29-3:39) to the music is astonishing and so overwhelming...
@chuffchas
@chuffchas 12 жыл бұрын
I attended a live concert performance of this last night and even without costume and set, this section always touches my heart. Opera North hit the spot and the tears flowed. Wagner may have been a psychologically-flawed SOB but he was a genius. This performance is the most moving I have seen.
@hamrickdr
@hamrickdr 15 жыл бұрын
I think you must be right, I'm tearing up as I'm listening to this. ;-) I also have a tough, independent daughter who is my spitting image, and this scene always gets to me. One of the most "human" moments in all of Wagner, even if they're gods.
@UlfenDaddy
@UlfenDaddy 12 жыл бұрын
Meanwhile, his accomplishments stand. His massive vision in the Ring required him to do the research, write the books, design the theatre, the props, the machinery; he needed to master optics, lighting, costume, architecture, history, languages, and had a clear enough understanding of Psychology-music and human nature to know, KNOW accurately how his work would *Impact* listeners! NOBODY else in history has compiled anything close to this. He is one of 3-4 greatest geniuses of all, just a FACT.
@Turiyayuro
@Turiyayuro 16 жыл бұрын
All in all, the best DVD Valkyrie out there is Boulez', and this is one of the scenes that proves why. They act as well as sing, and everything comes together beautifully. As long as we're griping about Hotter (poor guy), he's terrible in Solti's rendition (it was near the end of his career--and his voice) but great in Knappertsbusch's 1956 Cycle. Though my favorite Wotan ever is one most people haven't heard: Norman Bailey, Goodall's Wotan in the ENO cycle. Still, McIntyre isn't bad. . .
@Chrysothemis
@Chrysothemis 11 жыл бұрын
Have you read The Perfect Wagnerite by George Bernard Shaw? It was published in the late 1800s, and argued that the Ring is in fact a parable about the time in which it was written. This production just took that idea one step further, and actually staged the work as such. It's just fine to reject that whole premise outright, but it's only fair to appreciate this production as the immensely thoughtful and sincere effort that it is.
@UlfenDaddy
@UlfenDaddy 12 жыл бұрын
And then... then... KNOWING how it would hit us, he wrote... THE MUSIC. I sit and sail in a moment like this, as Chrysothemis said above, that high D# ripping my heart right open and realise... He did this to [us], to me... on purpose. He knew what this would do. *That* is Incomparable, utterly Incomparable, and far from his "weaknesses" making us question the validity of his worldview, the power of his genius SHOULD make rational men question their Own.
@nohaylamujer
@nohaylamujer 11 жыл бұрын
OH Donald McIntyre!!!
@helius69
@helius69 15 жыл бұрын
Indeed ! One of Wanger's great lines
@rwagner83
@rwagner83 15 жыл бұрын
Che musica sublime!!!! La musica più bella mai scritta da Wagner!!!
@HelenJoannides
@HelenJoannides 12 жыл бұрын
Donald McIntyre, he is really a kind of God in this repertoire. I adore his interpratation of this great music.
@franciscolopezus
@franciscolopezus 14 жыл бұрын
Mine too...thank you for uploading this.
@fedka86
@fedka86 14 жыл бұрын
My god... the genius of that! The will to do that!
@UlfenDaddy
@UlfenDaddy 13 жыл бұрын
@Chrysothemis I don't know how I missed your comment before now... Yes that D#, I KNOW! I KNOW!! I KNOW!!! Every damn time. I am an utter wreck by the end of Die Walkure; and as much as I would love to hear-see a full production again I can't do it to myself or other opera-goers. I attended the Centennary Ring in '76, and was fairly dragged from the theatre at the conclusion of Walkure; I barely remember Gotterdammerung at all I was so overwhelmed by the whole Ring.
@puppetoz
@puppetoz 14 жыл бұрын
@Spiritakis yes we all have our favourites- perhaps it would be more accurate to say that this particular performance is wonderful in this highly credited production.
@AtheneNikephoros
@AtheneNikephoros 14 жыл бұрын
@Nixonfan2011 The story goes that Wotan gave up one eye in exchange for wisdom. Earlier in this production, he was wearing an eye patch. However, during Act Two, he ripped it off.
@urmorph
@urmorph 14 жыл бұрын
@Chrysothemis Truly felt and well said.
@Spiritakis
@Spiritakis 14 жыл бұрын
@BorisGodunov Who speaks of logic? And who said that Boris Christoff ever sang the role? I meant his recording of Wotan's Farewell. Of course it is absurd to extrapolate whole role from one segment only - but no more so than maintaining that one has to admire McIntyre, or any other singer, simply because somebody else says so. Which is indeed what I really meant.
@cantanto999
@cantanto999 14 жыл бұрын
@Spiritakis Obviously you have no idea at all! "decently sung"? Donald McIntyre was most likely the best Wotan ever. Chéreau's staging is simply perfect - but that, of course, is a matter of taste! Danalds singing is not a matter of taste. Anyone who has ears and any idea understands that this sublime!
@JTVmistermic
@JTVmistermic 12 жыл бұрын
cool
@Spiritakis
@Spiritakis 13 жыл бұрын
@cantanto999 A good point indeed. Different points of view would naturally produce different results. I do not in the least pretend to have any idea of singing or being on stage. Nor do I think this is necessary to appreciate singing on the stage. It is just personal. For me other singers made McIntyre sound dull. That's my point. PS '' the best Wotan ever'' sounds pretty much like hero worship to me.
@gabrilu06
@gabrilu06 17 жыл бұрын
Yes, hermanzoon. Mcintyre is my preferred Wotan...
@SteveDurnin
@SteveDurnin 16 жыл бұрын
Hotter rocks.
@gianandreanavacchia3550
@gianandreanavacchia3550 12 жыл бұрын
Donald McIntyre, Theo Adam, Bryn Terfel, Albert Dohmen: THE WOTANS.
@EinFremderAusElea
@EinFremderAusElea 16 жыл бұрын
Ach, außer mir, mein Lieblingswotan: Theo Adam!
@CreuvonVolve
@CreuvonVolve 11 жыл бұрын
just search this on youtube to get a preview then :P marion ammann sieglinde akt 3
@BorisGodunov
@BorisGodunov 14 жыл бұрын
@AtheneNikephoros Yes, I'm aware of that. But singing one bit in a concert isn't singing a "role," as it's not remotely comparable to performing all of Wotan in staged performances repeatedly over the course of one's career. Christoff was never Wotan, and there's no way one could logically say that he was the "greatest Wotan ever," even in a subjective sense.
@Wotan123456789
@Wotan123456789 11 жыл бұрын
I am not a big fan of Bryn Terfel. I have seen Rene Pape's Wotan some months ago, and I cannot imagine a better Wotan nowadays (next to Dohmen)
@DRT813
@DRT813 13 жыл бұрын
Honestly, why does Wotan (!) wear a tailcoat??
@CreuvonVolve
@CreuvonVolve 11 жыл бұрын
Still, the production wasn't that bad. At least the walkeries weren't dressed as punk bikers.
@hermanzoon
@hermanzoon 16 жыл бұрын
Hmm.. Hotter a "joke"? That's like saying Johnny Bench was not one of the top catchers of all time.
@UlfenDaddy
@UlfenDaddy 11 жыл бұрын
But the point of "mythology" is to set those huge themes: power and lust, life, death and love, characters larger-than-life but RECOGNIZABLE. For the Greeks, it was Zeus and Hera; in Norse, Wotan, Fricka and Loge... for our "mythos," how about Carnegies and Mellons, Vanderbilts and Kennedys? THAT is what this depicts: the themes are unchanged, the characters still recognizable; the Imagery here is Industrial Revolution billionaires. (How about Valhalla as the White House? Same idea...)
@cantanto999
@cantanto999 13 жыл бұрын
@Spiritakis First: I am not your mate. Second: I do indeed have an Idee about "the essende of art". In comparison to you I am actually one of those ON stage and not off. There is no hero worship here. That Christoff, Hottet etc. were amazing, sublime, perfect in many ways, too is not the point here. How exactly does this make McIntyre worse.? Only someone who has no idea about singing, about being on stage, performing can say that Donalds Wotan is "decently sung". That was my point. Regards. C.
@Chrysothemis
@Chrysothemis 11 жыл бұрын
If you haven't already, check out the 1989 recording from the Met conducted by Levine. It's a killer performance in the traditional style. There's a reasonably priced DVD set, and I believe much of it is on KZbin as well.
@ykan1
@ykan1 13 жыл бұрын
@drommetenrot Because it's all about the rise of Industrial Capitalism.
@cchamp27
@cchamp27 11 жыл бұрын
*kühnes
@medouch
@medouch 11 жыл бұрын
wow no offense but do the producers even know what is it about? is that Odin, high chief of all norse gods, dressed in a suit with -holy shit- a tie? sure why not, thats how they all used to walk about back in the viking days
@pepebuho
@pepebuho 13 жыл бұрын
Did not like it. I prefer the MET one. Come on, she is getting everything she wanted, but instead of looking happy or satisfied,she stands there like all scared-like.
@LoveInAColdClimate
@LoveInAColdClimate 12 жыл бұрын
My favourite production and no matter how many times I hear this it rips me to shreds. Wagner the towering genius.....once you have found him he will never let you go.
@AtheneNikephoros
@AtheneNikephoros 14 жыл бұрын
The music from 2:36 to 4:20: one of the most moving depictions of grief I've ever come across--in any media.
@dmtdekker
@dmtdekker 15 жыл бұрын
I find that what makes this version also so effective is that the performance really shows a father-daughter relationship between McIntyre and Jones. The chemistry between them works extremely well, which is something that you do not see with, for example, obviously aged Brünnhildes like Hildegard Behrens in the Levine/Met version ;-)
@GiselleMeraud
@GiselleMeraud 12 жыл бұрын
Absolutely sublime, I don't think I've heard a better version. Thankyou for posting
@Chrysothemis
@Chrysothemis 16 жыл бұрын
As devastating as I've always found this production, and especially this scene, I always find myself wondering: how many other productions have you seen where the baritone would actually have been able to lift the soprano off the ground?
@Chrysothemis
@Chrysothemis 14 жыл бұрын
That high D# at 3:35 makes me feel like my heart is being ripped right out of my chest. Every damn time.
@Erge08
@Erge08 12 жыл бұрын
What a peformance! So intense. Thanks for uploading.
@leesimmons12
@leesimmons12 13 жыл бұрын
There can't have been many times in Bayreuth's history that Wotan has lifted Brunhilde of the ground!
@SilentShooter53
@SilentShooter53 15 жыл бұрын
I have viewed this Ring and the one done by Levine at the Met. And I much prefer this version, the performance by Dame Jones and McIntyre is so much more powerful.
@BorisGodunov
@BorisGodunov 14 жыл бұрын
@Spiritakis Er, I'm not sure how anyone could logically say Christoff was the greatest Wotan ever, considering he never sang the role...
@Nixonfan2011
@Nixonfan2011 14 жыл бұрын
why is Wotan's left eye closed? was that intentional?
@mucfan
@mucfan 12 жыл бұрын
@UlfenDaddy As a german, I must admit you understand every word he is singing. THAT is important if you listent to Wagner - for me
@parsifal3142
@parsifal3142 13 жыл бұрын
@vidiegoquam I agree. Wagner deemed this farewell so important that he wrote what is the apotheosis of opera to accompany it. Because Wotan has lost EVERYTHING. And so has Brunhilde.
@medouch
@medouch 11 жыл бұрын
looks pretty awesome so far, very very stylish and well produced, I have to check that out closely, siegfrieds funeral is unbelievable , but thats probably because its my absolute favorite moment out of whole wagner
@EinFremderAusElea
@EinFremderAusElea 16 жыл бұрын
Ja, das ist der beste Teil der Walküre, keine Frage. Aber ich kann das besser singen!
@UlfenDaddy
@UlfenDaddy 12 жыл бұрын
I know of no composer, artist or writer that was not significantly (psycho) flawed. Wagner makes an easy target over so-called Nazi-ism; few who repeat those charges have ever studied his actual writings in any depth but are content with half-baked post-war prejudice, and it is just that. It MAY have substance, prejudice often does! but none who has asserted to me how evil W. was has been able to point to a single statement of his writings (much less music) to justify or "prove" that assumption.
@dmtdekker
@dmtdekker 15 жыл бұрын
Indeed :) Actually the gods would, at a certain point in Wagners vision, be only given privilege if adressed as 'human' - the whole idea during composition of the first part of the Ring is the evolution of a race superior to that of the gods, ie humans. According to George Bernard Shaw (in his 'The Perfect Wagnerite') Wagners renewed insights accord for the relatively poor metaphorical or narrative value of Götterdämmerung (imho not when one adresses composition technique ;-))
@UlfenDaddy
@UlfenDaddy 11 жыл бұрын
And that was Chereau's real genius in completely re-visualizing the concept of the Ring. I attended in 1976, I didn't "like" it but I knew I was seeing something hugely important in HOW to understand Wagner. I expected (and wanted) gods 'n goddesses, fairy-tale castles and what we got was this. But 40 years later it's still as important as ever because it contains a key that many (if not most) viewers simply miss. Indeed it could be the White House, or Gates and Obama, etc, and still make sense.
@dmtdekker
@dmtdekker 15 жыл бұрын
If you look at the symbolism, that would indicate Wotan attempting to destroy his pure will (Brunnhilde symbolizing all of Wotans longings notregarding his treaties and pacts he has to control the world). Would seem rather extreme to me indeed ;-)
@EnricoDandolo1204
@EnricoDandolo1204 12 жыл бұрын
Don't forget John Johnson. He's absolute awesome in the Copenhagen Ring. Heck, he can serve Mime cake and still be awesome.
@paulostroff99
@paulostroff99 15 жыл бұрын
Beautifully done. Bravo! TY.
@somnitel
@somnitel 15 жыл бұрын
I saw the same production the following year ('77), and the Wotan was nowhere near as good.
@GlenK8
@GlenK8 11 жыл бұрын
I remember seeing this on Chan 13. Wonder where I can get the full ring like this on DVD (I think that is what they call it now) WOW What memories. I so LOVE my opera. Too bad I have to give it all up. My last season at The Met. Why?? No money. Poverty. It all caught up w/me.
@FlintDeep
@FlintDeep 13 жыл бұрын
Great, but the best version for me it's, Thomas Stewart and Herbert Von Karajan
@petatap
@petatap 15 жыл бұрын
Die Inszenierung ist von Patrice Chèreau (Fernsehuebertragung 1983).
@DarwinsTomcat
@DarwinsTomcat 13 жыл бұрын
@drommetenrot Watch the whole Ring (THIS Ring) and you will wish for Wotan never to wear anything else again.
@vidiegoquam
@vidiegoquam 13 жыл бұрын
@pepebuho Everything she wanted?!? She's saying goodbye to her beloved father, permanently. She's being deprived of her godhood. She's losing everything she's ever known. She has won her concession: she won't be at the mercy of any man, but "only" of a "free hero" ok... but she's still losing her freedom as she knows it (though I'm not of course suggesting Bruennhilde doesn't have freedom/agency in the last two operas.)
@Spiritakis
@Spiritakis 14 жыл бұрын
@cantanto999 Obviously you have no idea about the essence of art, mate. Everything - absolutely everything - is a matter of taste. I don't mind your hero worship of McIntyre; by the same logic I could say Boris Christoff was the greatest Wotan ever, but I personally prefer Thomas Stewart. And then there are Hans Hotter, Theo Adam (at their prime), and a good many older masters like Friedrich Schorr, to name but just one. Considering it is a live performance, McIntyre isn't bad at all.
@rwagner83
@rwagner83 15 жыл бұрын
3:23 Brividi!!!!!!!!!
@UlfenDaddy
@UlfenDaddy 11 жыл бұрын
But his diction... gawd his terrible DICTION!!!
@AtheneNikephoros
@AtheneNikephoros 14 жыл бұрын
@BorisGodunov Christoff, however, did sing Wotan's Farewell during his debut concert.
@Spiritakis
@Spiritakis 12 жыл бұрын
But of course it is - in your opinion. You are excused for ''chiming in''.
@keikobad
@keikobad 17 жыл бұрын
agree with hermanzoon, amazing. Hans Hotter is the joke as wotan
@AtheneNikephoros
@AtheneNikephoros 14 жыл бұрын
@BorisGodunov Yes, of course. It's nothing like actually BEING Wotan.
@medouch
@medouch 11 жыл бұрын
Valkyrie punk bikers, now thats something Id go to ! :-)
@Bastikalk
@Bastikalk 15 жыл бұрын
Das sehe ich genauso. Der war nämlich der Dirigent.
@cantanto999
@cantanto999 14 жыл бұрын
@RVP57 Definetely!
@Chrysothemis
@Chrysothemis 15 жыл бұрын
Yes, it is indeed the motif of Renunciation. It appears at this moment because Wotan is renouncing love (of Brunnhilde, by parting with her forever) in order to secure his power. He could have chosen not to, but that would have been illegal, and thus his authority as divine lawgiver would have been undermined.
@ConqueredSun
@ConqueredSun 15 жыл бұрын
I agree. There is almost an incestuous undertone present in the Levine/Met version that I really haven't seen in other ones. The only flaw with this one's Die Walküre is that Wotan threatens Brünnhilde at spear point when she questions his order to kill Siegmund. It's good sturm und drang, but I can't imagine even Wotan being that extreme!
@medouch
@medouch 11 жыл бұрын
nope never read that, but it definitely puts a different spin on all this. Still Im much more comfortable with what Ring is for me - a kickass mythology tale
@CreuvonVolve
@CreuvonVolve 11 жыл бұрын
PLEASE, Hans Hotter.
@emmanuel54321
@emmanuel54321 16 жыл бұрын
horrible voice -
@windstorm1000
@windstorm1000 13 жыл бұрын
yes, folks this is the infamous prouduction that caused opera's down fall. Take a god and put him in a business suit!! James Morris at the MEt atleast brought a retro against the madness.
@Skidoo22
@Skidoo22 11 жыл бұрын
Boulez ruins this lovely music by not paying attention to the unique Bayreuth acoustics. Listen to Karl Bohm, he got it just right with lovely portamento in the strings
@Spiritakis
@Spiritakis 14 жыл бұрын
Competently conducted, decently sung, grossly overacted, apallingly staged. One of the greatest perversities in the history of Wagner's performence practice.
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