Wait, $300 for a 4060 is WILD.

[@optimumtech]

Old GPUs are still the META?

[@maximus3294]

absolutely

[@PACKTdotSPACE]

always

[@janlukegabriel]

Surely, I mean they can’t be immediately obsolete right. But yeah kinda crazy

[@madhumakshikagaming3128]

Yea

[@HawkBryant]

Yes! It definitely uses rtx 3000 series

[@trevorbarney1796]

No ads, no intro, straight to the point, facts, numbers, no bullshit, sited sources, very professional on camera & all packaged in 6K footage. This is why optimum tech is my go to for PC hardware.

[@_Cookie_Warrior_]

No ads? i got an ad.

[@Scriptdbrawl]

@@_Cookie_Warrior_same

[@Ryouku_]

@@_Cookie_Warrior_as in not sponsoring an ad in the video itself not youtube ads……

[@artemiybzhedugov7034]

​@@_Cookie_Warrior_skill issue

[@explosev6513]

I wouldn’t mind a sponsor, he’d be the one I trust the most in choosing a sponsor with solid products.

[@ventilate4267]

As ive always reminded myself, all these insane GPU prices aren't my problem. It's the problem of whoever buys them before me. 😂

[@Oscilatorz]

Wise men buy their gpu's 2nd hand 😂 😂

[@user-wq9mw2xz3j]

The only "problem" i have with the gpu prices are that 1: they dont press down 2nd hand prices and 2: in a couple of years it seems this will still be the case, so they will be expensive 2nd hand as well.

[@Amzyy]

Currently have a 3070 and wanted to upgrade to the 4080 but 1200 for a 80 series card is crazy. 30 series is still the meta gonna wait next gen and see what’s up if these prices are still heavily overpriced will just get a used 7900xtx or something in a couple years

[@ventilate4267]

@@user-wq9mw2xz3j yeah it's still showing in the second hand market but not as bad as the first

[@tanner8355]

That’s what I said to myself when I picked up a 3090 for 750CAD that the seller had originally bought for 4k at the height of the GPU crisis haha

[@budgetking2591]

The 4060 is really a 4050, but Nvidia knows most consumers will not know this, its a scheme to make more profit.

[@deathtoinfidelsdeusvult2184]

@@Wobbothe3rd source? You forgot they had to stop producing more 4060 because people barely buy it right?

[@hollownexus9316]

@@Wobbothe3rd i'm pretty sure nobody is buying it

[@jthiel0711]

@@hollownexus9316 Sadly uninformed people will buy it. Happens all the time.

[@AntiGrieferGames]

Apple is worse at consumers. Dont cry Nvidia FTW

[@blakedmc1989RaveHD]

@@hollownexus9316 i woulda bought it for my dedicated streaming/local recording/capture card box rig just for tha encoding (only if it has 8pin power connectors)

[@SgtToastieYT]

The 3070 (used) and 6750 XT (retail and used) are just insane deals for those looking for reasonably priced cards right now. Refreshing after the last several years of supply and price madness.

[@triplebb9809]

3070, if you wanna get into Machine Learning. 6750 XT if you just want to play games.

[@Chomakot]

@@triplebb9809 ROCm is supported by 6750 XT altho not the fastest or best still useful

[@maildump4395]

@@triplebb9809most people wanna play games so 6700xt ftw

[@prxzmsAU]

I prefer the nivida options always, just because of how much game support they have. Especially with things like reflex and dlss. Plus nividia cards just work, when I bought an amd card for war zone it took like a year for it to work properly due to driver issues.

[@Boofski]

@@prxzmsAU Like you said yourself those driver issues become obsolete after a year and the AMD card mentioned by the original commenter is just over a year old now, while i do agree with the DLSS part being better, the newest versions of this technology will be locked to newer generations because that's what nVidia decides is the most profitable unlike AMD that is supporting older cards with new technologies (when possible)

[@UsamaAhmedZeki]

Coming From a Shop Owner here, People do still prefer going with newer cards However I do still recommend the 3070 over the 4060 any day of the week

[@kaizer2k2]

because most people have room temperature iq and think new equals better

[@Dorumin]

​@@kaizer2k2Often it is. However a single generational leap almost always isn't worth it, maybe in early days of a technology and then it'd be quite expensive to pay for R&D and enthusiast costs. Add to that the unusual recent history of GPUs

[@deagle7776]

6700xt is way better than both

[@frescosmalls]

@@kaizer2k2 not necessarily, there are a lot of benefits to buying new. most people don't play games long enough throughout the week to care anyway and they just want to not have to worry about the lifespan/warranty of their parts. it's easy to forget that the vast majority of gamers (even PC gamers) don't care about hardware, they just want to play their favorite games when they have free time and not think about too much else. the most popular games currently don't require a ton of power to run anyway, they could pick up a 4060 and play games like league of legends, valorant, apex legends, overwatch 2 etc without noticing a difference.

[@kaizer2k2]

@@deagle7776 ya but I dont want to deal with driver issues.....

[@zhongxina2614]

A secondhand RX 6800 XT can also sometimes be found for ~$300 if you're lucky. The non-XT is also very good.

[@maybemammad3878]

True got a 6900 xt for under 300$

[@ventilate4267]

@@Humanaut. That's what he said

[@mertince2310]

​@@Humanaut.Get a 6700 xt if you want new at that pricepoint. Better performance + bigger vram.

[@truereaper4572]

Never seen a 6800XT below $380. The Non XT can maybe be found for closer to $300 if you're very lucky.

[@HenrySavinon]

@@maybemammad3878got my 6900xt Tuf at $400 new. Only thing is I have some audio problems ever since I updated to windows 11. Something with both audio drivers clashing. Had to remove amds sound drivers for it to work.

[@jomeyqmalone]

If you're really not bothered by power usage, you might want to consider the 2080ti too. It tends to slightly outperform the 3070, especially in games that use the extra VRAM it has, and it can be found for even less

[@giglioflex]

More VRAM too. The downside is that the 2080 Ti's RT performance is terrible, worse than AMD's 6000 series.

[@sharkscanplay2890]

​@giglioflex good thing is, most people don't care about raytracing... especially when you are technically "budget" building anyway... crazy to call a 2080ti a budget card when I would've considered giving a man some top for one when they came out 😅😂

[@Uryendel]

no hdmi 2.1 on it

[@reecep4016]

In that case just get the 3070ti which beats the 2080ti

[@filippetrovic845]

Dont do iT!!! 2080TI is largest gpu die gamer gpu ever, meaning its life should be shortest.

[@JustAverageLarry]

I would still go with the 4060 brand new over a used 3070 if I was just starting out or upgrading from something that was just going bad bad.. you get the newer hardware and software that comes with that.. and yes.. an actual warranty.. peace of mind.. nobody wants to spend $300 and then two weeks later be looking for help because their gpu isn’t working. You’ll always be able to find some older gen tech at a discount price that makes its price to performance better than some newer gen tech.. BUT.. you’re taking that risk burning your money.

[@Oozaru85]

Honestly, the cards arent that old to just randomly break. If you get a used card from last gen and it breaks, it had some factory defect already inside when it was purchased new by the former owner. It was going to break eventually, anyway. This can happen with new cards as well. But its very rare. Sure, the new card has warranty. But I have seen enough cases where the maufacturer refused to repair or take back the card and not refund it. Here in Germany thats not an issue, luckily. We have strict laws for that. Not sure how this works in other countries tho. Anyway. I have been buying used GPUs since the Pascal era. I never had issues with any of them. My current 3070 I bought for €250 used last year still runs like a charm. My old 1080 (which I also got used few years ago) runs in my nephews rig now. No issues there either. These GPUs will still be running when I"m in my death bed, lol.

[@ja-qwellin]

​@Oozaru85 there's always a chance the cards aren't randomly breaking, there's always a chance they can get damaged during the delivery process or the previous owner just didn't take good care of the card, a lot can happen to a GPU over the course of 2 and a half years

[@zackdeux]

I bought a 3080 for $300 few months back. Definitely a satisfying upgrade!

[@altofant]

how all the ones online are like $400 do you just look for local deals?

[@seeking.eternity]

@@altofantprobably, $300 is very lucky, but you could repeatably probably get away with $375-$425 3080 is a beast edit: $400->$425

[@zerocal76]

Where u snag that deal amigo? And what brand?

[@ThisIsExile91]

Lies. More likely $400. 3080's in working condition never actually hit $300 on ebay even during the GPU mining crash

[@zackdeux]

@@ThisIsExile91 I wish I was lying mate. I live in Asia, I considered the possibility of it being a mining card. But 3 months of gaming in 1440/170 and 4k/60 and I never ran into any issue. It's a Galax 3080 Black General OC. And yes it's a local deal, original asking price was $350, and I lowballed it so much that he compromised on $300.

[@Andrey-rc6wp]

I bought a 3080 at launch. I honestly think it’ll be my daily driver for at least 2 more generations. I only really play at 1440p these days and I don’t mind customizing some settings to get a playable framerate. Sure it would be nice to max out all of my settings but I’m honestly at that age that I just don’t care about stuff like that anymore. As long as it looks decent and I can get 90 fps or so most of the time, I’m happy.

[@deagle7776]

3080 and 6800xt can get 70-80fps max settings 1440p on the most demanding games. That's plenty of fps for single player games. Not sure why ur saying u need to customize settings for a playable framerate

[@CatfishBradley]

Yep, got a FE 3080 for MSRP back when they first launched, I'm a high framerate 1080p kind of guy, so I seriously doubt I'll look into upgrading for a few more generations; Until 240hz 1440/4k monitors are

[@mikkelens]

How in the world does your 3080 not run more than 90fps at 1440p? I still have a 1070 and that runs 100+fps 1080p for most games. I guess the VRAM is the same? A bit sad tbh

[@Jbeasty1990]

@@deagle7776 He didn't say SP specifically. There are also tons of shitty games out there that require a lot more performance than they should. He also didn't say he "needed to" just that he didn't mind doing so.

[@akuwdf8057]

​@@deagle7776he talks about 90+ fps, however I have 6800xt and I prefer to max out setting and play on locked 60 fps 1440p. Like you said it's more than enough for single player games.

[@matches0423]

Just picked up a evga 2080ti for $190 to replace my 1060. It's holding up pretty well, I'm having a blast in my summer vacation.

[@theftking]

I recently bought a friend a GPU for his birthday, and I considered going with a used 3070 Ti/3080, but ultimately went with a 4060 Ti for $380. I wanted to get like a used 3080 for him, but gifting a used card was kinda annoying so, eh.

[@kab43]

a 4060 Ti 😭😭

[@paulshizzledizzle6180]

I have a Low profile 4060. Super satisfied. A 3070 is 100 more watts. I already get annoyed sometimes from how my room gets hot. At the same time, I like DLSS 3 frame generation. Double the FPS without room getting hotter.

[@RonT.]

Good choice.

[@George_McLovin]

Yeah I just don’t understand the hate 4060 gets

[@paulshizzledizzle6180]

It's because of the youtube channels. They get used to the GPU progression. Always thinking more power with VRAM. People want GPU's the size of a computer but forget about space, heat and efficiency. They fail to realize that GPU technology is headed in different direction and progressing. People are also thinking about future proofing. Which in my opinion is no such thing. I futured proofed by purchasing on the month of release. lol A low profile GPU is not going to be released for a very long time. I am guessing they may skip on RTX 5000 series@@George_McLovin

[@paulshizzledizzle6180]

Same, I dont understand why people hate on the 4060 either. People seem to forget that feeling when playing games for long sessions and the room gets hot. I talk with people about it and they say they start sweating. Every gamer is different though. Some play super graphically intensive games. Here is an example. I played RDR2 on 1600x900 with a 1050ti. Then I upgraded to a 4060 and tested RDR2 out on 1920x1080. Did I miss out? NO! I didnt not. 1600x900 was great! Personally for me if I had a choose between a 4090 and a 4060. I'd have to think long and hard about it because in the end they are both just GPU's. Meaning a 4090 is not better than a 4060 and a 4060 is not better than a 4090.@@George_McLovin

[@paulshizzledizzle6180]

Thanks. Yeah I made a great choice. Fits me perfect. Picked it up on month of release.@@RonT.

[@Kelekona_808]

Great buying advice for the price range. Really great to see these type of videos being put out when everything before this tended to lean towards "it depends on your use case". Thanks for pointing people away from definitively bad cards for the price point.

[@somebodystolemygoddamncarr520]

I havent experienced the actual good prices for new brand gpus and I have only seen 4060's and 4060 ti's in the $400-$600 bracket in my country. I dont really care about it being almost the same performance as the 30 series ones. The power draw is what hooked me the most so I can spend my time editing, playing, and doing 3D school works for hours without worrying about my family spending a lot on electric bills.

[@Summanis]

I like the performance gap being compared to a generational uplift. Its crazy that at the same price tier as last gen the new cards are a generational leap backwards.

[@OrcCorp]

Yes, and if you can add another $200 to that $300 budget, I bet you can get a used 3080 Ti in US. Here in Finland I just bought a used 3080 Ti for 600€, and it still has 2 years of warranty left. It's more powerful than a 4070, and about on par with 4070 Ti.

[@AGCipher]

Forgot to mention the reduction in e-waste by purchasing a used card too :) Got a 6900xt myself a couple weeks back, absolutely no regrets when looking at what the new stuff goes for and doesn't deliver!

[@rorypendry]

The production quality of his videos is amazing.

[@mapotofuu]

you only realised now?

[@JagsP95]

​@@mapotofuuCould be someone new relax

[@arithmetic7105]

Bot comment

[@mapotofuu]

@@arithmetic7105 not bot, copy and paste.

[@rorypendry]

@@arithmetic7105 am I a bot though?

[@TheACTIONZ]

Also the 6700 xt can go toe-to-toe with the 3070. And you can find them new for a little bit over $300, if you don't wana buy used.

[@leonro]

6700xt is around 10% slower than a 3070 on average (and worse RT) but has 50% more vram, definitely a showing considering that a new 6700xt costs about the same as a used 3070.

[@nightmare4eVerr1]

3070 is utter garbage with its 8 gb ram. 6700xt is way better even though i dont even like AMD lmao

[@Shieftain]

Good guy Ali informing everyone about better options for mid-range GPUs via a short video. I like this format, hope to see more like this! And here's a small tip for those of you looking to buy a used GPU. Most of you already know this, but always check seller reputation and history prior to making any purchases. If something is priced too well, it just might be too good to be true.

[@kaizer2k2]

That depends, just know who your buying from. Get an idea of what kind of person is selling the item.

[@giglioflex]

Yep, as an experienced eBay user I can tell you almost 100% of the time if the price is too good it's likely a scam. Half the time the seller is just hoping they will wait you out until you are outside eBay's buyer protection or they ship an empty envelope to a different address on your street, which eBay technically counts as delivered. You then have to go to the post office to get proof that the package was sent to the wrong address and file a police report. It's a huge hassle and so many people get scammed because they don't know how to deal with it.

[@kaizer2k2]

@@giglioflex Thats why I do face to face deals, Never have bought anything from ebay my whole life. Kijiji, FB marketplace are where its at. You can tell a person is shady by the way they act and answer ur questions irl.

[@AD34534]

@@kaizer2k2That's literally what he just said.

[@Volker_A4]

Old 70 series cards have run about $300 for years. Always great value. With the 8gb VRAM limitation it's hard to justify a price any higher. I bought a 3070 new, but I'm happy to see it not retain value. Things have been far too slow for GPUs recently.

[@YuiSenpai]

legit, the best public service announcement i ever heard of this year. thanks m8!

[@Jacob-hl6sn]

No, don't buy an obsolete 8 GB gpu! This is terrible advice! Buy a RX 6700 XT 12 GB instead! Or any other 12-16 GB gpu.

[@riba2233]

Yep

[@Jacob-hl6sn]

uh, no, the rx 6700 xt is as fast as the rtx 3070, stop posting misinformation it is also better at ray tracing if you run out of vram on the rtx 3070 @@Wobbothe3rd

[@riba2233]

@@Wobbothe3rd yes 5% diff means crushes, good cope. Let's not talk about games which max out their tiny 8gb vram...

[@dio8070]

@@riba2233agreed. Most people don’t even use ray tracing so I highly recommend the amd side

[@jaydeep-p]

​@@riba2233aged like milk

[@jumpman1213]

Used last gen cards are great value now. I'm currently eyeing on a used 3080 as it costs around the same as the new 6700XT/4060 where I live.

[@retroactivated]

I bought the 3070 FE for my first ever build in 2021 and I’m still super happy with it. I play more competitive games at 1080p high frame rate and it works perfectly. It also has enough power to give me a solid frame rate for graphically challenging single player games. I had considered the 40 series GPUs, but found a lot of the reviewers were underwhelmed. Glad to know my card is holding up well, and I look forward to it carrying me a few more years.

[@_TrueDesire_]

Always get every other generation for a better upgrade, only upgrade every generation if you got the cash to spend. I mean I needed a new dishwasher one year, a new sofa the next, spending too much on a gpu wasn't even on the radar at that point. 3070/Ti is still plenty imo for high fps in 1080p.

[@The_Man_In_Red]

Rockin my 3070 for 1080p high refresh as well. People laughed at us for only having 8GB but you really can't argue with the results. I've played Returnal and Remnant 2 - both newer "modern" games that are seen as extremely demanding without a hitch.

[@v5k456jh3]

​@@The_Man_In_RedYup, reality is as long as you play at 1080p, 8GB is enough for nearly any game. Plus u get more fps.

[@adequate673]

4060 ain’t a bad card for a first time build but obouisly not worth upgrading from the 30 series

[@TonyChan-eh3nz]

It's worse performance than the last gen 3060ti under a fan. Just get the 3060ti and save $50. Or better yet, get the 6700xt/6750xt

[@SG-cn3kb]

it is a bad card. Like Tony said, a 3060 ti is far better.

[@SamuelBruns]

@@TonyChan-eh3nzI just like the power consumption and frame gen is really nice. If I had the choice again I would probably get a 3070 or 3080 but I made the choice to get the 4060 so I’m likely stuck with it for a couple of years but maybe I’ll upgrade and get like a 5070 or 6070 someday.

[@fishywtf]

I much rather have better power consumption and be on something newer. The room getting hot is annoying. It's definitely more enticing to get something older though if you're on a budget.

[@Cxzan]

as much as i like all the high end and newest tech. seeing these types of videos is very refreashing

[@Eric_Japa_]

In Brazil, is selling by minimum of 650. With possibility of being taxed

[@robertmorrison4020]

I'm waiting to see the numbers on the next go round of graphics cards. I'm more than happy with my 2080.

[@glitter_fart]

I was rocking an 970 until a few months ago, got a 3060 and p40 for ai use

[@poi24b3]

But my friend has 550w PSU and a 2060, so he cannot upgrade to 3070 due to the PSU, and besides, we live outside of USA (yeah what a surprise these people exist) so used GPU are not easy to find, not to mention AMD prices are not comparably cheap. So in this case, 4060 is the perfect choice for him, sorry😂.

[@thedofflin]

Every day I become more glad that I pulled the trigger and bought a 3080 soon after they launched (and just as the prices were about to shoot up). What a ride it has been, 3 years later it's still the best value GPU around, and if you care about TDP/thermal performance it can be undervolted by quite a lot.

[@reicra]

got my 3080 for 390 bucks used. crazy how almost a year ago i bought a used 3060 for the same price. My best puchase to date and not gonna regret that.

[@crescentmoon256]

4070 draws less power vs 3080 uv and u can undervolt further and has extra 2 gig ram and 3rd gen rt cores with improved rt performance and frame gen support

[@reicra]

@@crescentmoon256 i'd rather upgrade again later at 50 or 60 series, 40 series seems so underwhelming for now

[@Mcnooblet]

@@crescentmoon256 It's the people who don't even own a 40 series who consider themselves experts at the 40 series, and it's underwhelming.

[@deagle7776]

​@@crescentmoon256yeah but $200 more

[@Vss_DBL]

Not everybody is willing to buy used so for new price the 4060 is really good

[@zelbow7322]

At this point, AMD is better at every price point besides the 4090

[@dex6316]

Weirdly enough the 4060Ti 16GB actually makes sense for professionals and the AI crowd. 16GB of VRAM and CUDA is hard to beat for certain workloads. For everyone else just buy RX 6000 I say. The pricing is truly phenomenal.

[@maximus3294]

used Nvidia is pretty competitive too ngl. but there is that caveat of being used as well

[@yeahbuddy300lbs]

4080 too*

[@hiimcortana1568]

@@maximus3294 The thing is even used nvidia sells for much higher than used AMD so AMD is still the best perf/$ choice. At least that's how it is where I live.

[@zelbow7322]

@@dex6316 but the price itself is ridiculous for a card that should have been minimum 12gb from the get go

[@chroniccomplainer3792]

I dont buy used stuff except cars and shelter. If i had to buy a used gpu i think id get a LHR card. Miners are just crazy individuals. Too risky

[@wrth]

When it comes to efficiency - did you compare the 3070 undervolted to a 4060? Would be interesting if you could match or beat the 4060 at performance with similar efficiency.

[@iDeparture]

oced 4090 doesn't get hot, so unless binning cpu cores, why undervolt? Especially a shit 4060 it needs all the help it can get

[@The_Man_In_Red]

My 3070 is around 180W undervolted, 1880Mhz @ 0.85mv. 1080p Heaven Extreme Fullscreen DX11 results: Score of 4248, Avg FPS: 168.7, Max: 364.7, Min: 47 System: R5 5600X, RTX 3070, 16GB 3200Mhz DDR4 Feel free to find those comparison results if you can. Not sure how that compares to a 4060 @ 100% load but since I usually cap my FPS to 90 it's closer to 120-140W while gaming.

[@iDeparture]

@pottingsoil723 3070 beats the 4060 ti in a lot of game benches, and 1440 4k nit even talking 1080p so your 3070 oced will absolutely beat the 4060. 128 bus ruined the cards potential

[@The_Man_In_Red]

@@iDeparture Yea I don't understand why they did that, unless frame gen really needs so much L3 cache to work properly and they had to sacrifice bus width. In which case.....regular upscaling is superior in every way.

[@iDeparture]

@pottingsoil723 yeah I have not clue either if it didn't save them money then no clue but the knew the perormce hit it took obviously they test these cards before they go to market so thats probably why they were stressing dlss so badly with it even to the reviews ex. gamer nexus, for example, they did and said not to show its native and 1440 4k preformace. And thats 1 of dozens of reviewers they send them to just before and at launch. Forgot how the frame gen and Ray tracing performance was. once i saw native performing terrible at 1080 1440 4k and losing to cards that it should have smoked was just ebough nvida straight up trying to screw just like with the 4070 ti trying to sell it as a 4080 12g when it's a completely and obvious cut down chip which it was. I can see the specs sheet. Vexing. btw you could push you 3070 a bit further easily hit over 2000 mhz on the core and idk what you memory is at but id do that and just set a static fan speed 50-70% max thing won't push even hit 70 degrees. bdi ram oc with ur 5600x oced allcore oc to what even ur silocin lets you jit stable with ur cooler keeping temps ideal under load first then get patriot cl19 4400 kit set it to 1.5v run ram at cl14 14 14 28 with super tight subs 3800 Mt/s flck 1900 1:1 ratio 1900 which this kit will do in its sleep should get a 1440 monitor ur cpu and gpu will have no problem

[@ramal5708]

Back in the day we had 1060 6gb with similar price, bought it for 289 bucks iirc, now the cheapest 4060 cost the same 289 for Gigabyte one and 319 for Asus, so yeah since I ran with 1060 6gb for almost 7 years now, with the upcoming games I am going to get the 4060. 4070 and 4080 is going to stretch my budget.

[@alt5494]

Would buy the 4060 if the user streams lots of content it should be much quieter with less coil whine. Three to ten years more service life than a used 3070 is also a factor. The modder in me also likes the super low power draw for custom SFF builds though would probably go 4060ti 16gb. Running a strong workstation that fits in messenger bag is Definitely possible.

[@escapetherace1943]

nobody is using their cards for 10 years anymore bro, we'll never see another 1080ti

[@EarthIsFlat456]

​@@escapetherace1943 Not even the 1080Ti will last 10 years, not even close.

[@escapetherace1943]

@@EarthIsFlat456 exactly, and it's the card that has been used the longest by people in the history of GPUs. Nobody is gonna hold onto a 4060 for 10 years

[@fabrb26]

@@escapetherace1943 My EVGA GTX570HD retired two year ago salute you

[@escapetherace1943]

@@fabrb26 okay, you realize your personal testimony is meaningless against the greater numbers, right? You using a card for 12 years means nothing when the average consumer holds onto theirs for 3 or less. The 1080 was held on to a lot longer and in greater number than any other card (by #'s) even if it's only 8 years old. and honestly people still will be using it 2 years from now that games have sort of stagnated.

[@ormondscott191]

I don’t know why people are so against DLSS 3. If using DLSS out perform a 3070. Isn’t it a better card? That’s like buying a 6 speed manual and people get mad cause you’re using 4th, 5th and 6th.

[@4-0-K]

It's the memory for me. As a 3D artist, I find it so "apple-like" how Nvidia only puts the real ram on the most expensive cards. 12GB should be bare minimum by now.

[@mehck-gk9yn]

Most designers/devs I know are just buying the 3060 12GB for exactly this reason

[@nightmare4eVerr1]

Inb4 they remove all the ports aswell and shift it to their 'pro' offerings.

[@mehck-gk9yn]

@@nightmare4eVerr1 lol you get 1 DP 1.4 enjoy

[@ProjectPhysX]

128-bit memory interface on the 4060 (Ti) and 7600 XT is trash. These GPUs are overpriced entry-level e-waste and will age like milk.

[@UncannySense]

the 6700xt + starfield bundle is where its at for $300.

[@marioserafim7233]

I still use a GTX 1080 overclocked with no performance hit since day one and it can handle everything at FHD. I can´t recommend anyone anything else, specially with this ridiculous prices, unless you want 2K or 4K and have money to burn!

[@jamesdykemedia]

well at least you have accurate benchmarks unlike some youtubers 😑

[@Pm3m_Dia]

Power efficiency matters to me because my GPU coolers are super loud and annoying. I don't care if a card has 30% more performance if the 0% more is already borderline overkill for what I need.

[@VitalyGG]

Same, just bought 4060 for 350 euro. I just play bf and tarkov.

[@neffix6976]

or you get a 6700xt which for the most part has the same performance as a 3070 has 12gb ram and will get a frame generation upscaler....well also fast memory acces if you have an amd cpu

[@weatherchaser1166]

and as I posted above, mid threes at M-Center. I'm getting that one. Nice upgrade for my new build over my 1070TI

[@neffix6976]

@@weatherchaser1166 got one for 340 2 weeks ago, although i upgraded from a gtx 700. Cheers make

[@PeaceDotExe]

im still running a 2080 ti, no complaints 🤷‍♂️

[@coyotex850]

AMD gotta be the world's greatest wingman at this point, no matter if nvidea puts out good stuff or garbage they always find a way to make them look good

[@nightmare4eVerr1]

Im convinced they have a backdoor deal with nvidia. I refuse to believe a truly competitive company would shoot their own foot when their only competitor has gone full anti consumer

[@ShrekLaBeouf]

The xx60 cards used to either be on par with or at least beat the previous gen xx70 cards for a lower price tag.

[@Dad_K]

Snagged a 7900 xt Hellhound for $592 on Amazon before tax. Big win

[@owenjohnson705]

I went from a RX550 to an RTX 4060 I did buy a prebuilt and it had options for GPUs so I said I’ll go with the newer stuff and honestly I got a massive deal so I think I made the right decision tbh

[@pokepokepoke64]

I’m about to buy a 4060 ti for $399. Gigabyte came out with a card with the same dimensions as the evga 3060 xc and it’ll be perfect for a sky reach 4 mini or akkla a3 The 4060 ti is 2080 ti and 3070 performance on 150w I have a 3080 right now but I’m super power conscious so the 4060 ti will be great. I don’t really need a 3080 for what games I play The important thing is inflation. A $399 card is actually a $329 card back when 30 series came out, so think about the 4060 ti as the “true” replacement for the 3060. $499 is $588 now $299 was $250 in 2019

[@walter1824]

Except it`s a 3050TI replacement

[@pokepokepoke64]

@@walter1824 i thought its more of a 3060 replacement as the 3050 shouldn't exist

[@WolfgangsChannel]

Man, those graphs 😩 Smooth!

[@TechnicaX]

I’m not buying anything without warranty. I’ll settle with a 4060 and upscale. Peace of mind is better than arbitrary numbers.

[@saltwaterforlife5601]

Very true, turn off FPS counter and just enjoy the game, anything over 60fps is perfectly playable. The end of the day it’s still a budget card.

[@orangechannel4862]

The situation becomes quite absurd if we compare 3080 and 4070. I do not know the prices in your stores, but in my city the 3080 costs 1.7-2 times cheaper than the 4070, with the same performance.

[@GideonCyn]

I think its important to also discuss software. Raw performance is better yes, but frame generation/DLSS 3 is also a very important aspect going forward with future releases that will support it. I have a 4070 and turning frame gen on is like you just waved a wand at your pc screen and suddenly you have nearly double your frame rate, and it looks and feels great. And also, you cant ignore that power efficiency. Both are great deals in my opinion! but the 4060 has my money if your plan is to play new games for the next few years. If you want to play older games (not released in 2022/2023 and forward) or esports games then absolutely go for the 3070.

[@vncube1]

If you have to wait™️ for the RTX 4060 to be better than the RTX 3070 (or all the other better GPUs at similar pricing) for a feature that only works best for slower paced, single player, CPU-limited games in which latency is not a concern, I'd consider that a mediocre deal. The power efficiency advantage also only matters in small PC case builds and not so much electricity bills for most of the world.

[@GeekProdigyGuy]

If you're buying used cards for the value, then you'd probably wait 2 years for DLSS 3 to become way MORE common, and at that time buy a used 4070/4080.

[@GideonCyn]

@@GeekProdigyGuy A very good argument!

[@vncube1]

@@GeekProdigyGuy Pretty much. Just as ray tracing only started becoming usable with Ampere, not Turing; frame gen will only be adequate (high base framerate, clean image quality, tolerable latency) *after* Ada Lovelace.

[@GeekProdigyGuy]

@@vncube1 if your #1 concern is $ and you live in an area with expensive power it could definitely be a factor to consider. the difference between say $15/year and $30/year seems pretty substantial if you're buying a $300 GPU. agreed it only matters in places with expensive power and for users who are more price-focused than performance focused. more cost over time is probably worth a 30% fps boost for most people, esp. if it pushes slightly more modern games to consistent >60fps given almost all budget monitors are 60Hz.

[@nezke4700]

Seeing all this 40 series flops makes me happy that I found my MSI 3080ti gaming x trio back in december 2022. That thing is a beast and pretty much overkill everything I play

[@uzla]

Was literally about to buy the 4060

[@john.doe.24]

The RTX 4060 may be slower than the RTX 3070, but it supports DLSS3, which adds to its value.

[@Sevastous]

FSR3 Is out for all cards

[@JimbleBailey]

Oh man I can't wait for the rtx 5060 to come out and be equal to the 3070! So hype!

[@LaccerHS]

I mean 30% more performance for a probably miner card and no warranty at all is kinda a Damocles' sword situation. You get better performance but it can fail on you anytime, and then you got a $300 brick on your desk. I'm saying it as I got unlucky back in the day with a one week old 1070. Luckily it was brand new and I've got a replacement in like 6 weeks (thanks Asus btw for the incompetent Customer Service and the shitty RMA process) but it can happen at any time, doesn't matter if it wasn't beaten.

[@Дмитрий-с3п4ы]

It would be great to see similar content, but with 4070

[@zues121510]

Upgraded my 1070ti to the 3070 the other week, it's been great. It's almost in mint condition with the original reciept and I was still able to register for the 36 month asus warranty (still have more than half left), it has only been used for gaming on the weekends but the owner wanted to upgrade to 4k so they sold it on ebay for a really good price :D Also as somebody who had owned a 4k and 1440p monitor for like 7 years and a 1070 and 1070ti and now 3070 the entire time, it was enough for 1440p gaming, but I never tried the super new games. It would struggle at 4k a lot, which was annoying because my main monitor was 4k and the pixel layout made the games look OK but really off at the same time, using the 1440p monitor looked better than 1440p on 4k but it still looked worse than native 4k. Luckily my 3070 can now handle 4k on most games that I play :D

[@heypinecone]

It would make more sense if the 4060 was renamed to the 4050

[@perpetualprocrastinator]

Current gen midrange GPU segment is nothing short of a debacle. I shudder to think what level of performance RTX 4050 or RX 7400 series would bring and what would high and mighty NVidia or AMD charge for those GPUs.

[@N0N0111]

RTX 4060 should be $200. Because Nvidia gimp the GPU at all the angles they could.

[@shinigami1357]

Even with the pump cover bros still huge. Look at them forearms gahdamn

[@aspzx]

Nvidia want you to pretend the previous gen doesn't exist...

[@Shieftain]

I distinctly remember their RTX 4000 reveal video being the exact opposite. Instead of talking about RTX 4000 mid-range options, Jensen just said something along the lines of "For the rest of you plebs there's still the RTX 3000 series you can buy!"

[@NextEevolution]

Great timing for this. I bought a blower style RTX 3070 for just under $300 yesterday for a living room gaming PC for my sister. I would have rather gone for a Radeon 6800 but they were usually selling for $75-100 more. With how Nvidia is cutting the bus width on the 4060s/4070s and how easily they seem willing to not invest their newest version of DLSS into hardware that becomes last gen, I hope the 3070 I bought lives a solid 5+ years, even if I have to tune down some graphics settings.

[@melancholyentertainment]

That’s cool but I’m NOT buying from e-bay 💀

[@СергейПермяков-ф7е]

In my country prices on brand new 3070 are like 20% higher than 4060. So, i think in this case you can go with 4060 and cut some money on power supply.

[@BaBaNaNaBa]

sponsored? nothing beats a used 6800 xt in value right now

[@PineyJustice]

@@Wobbothe3rd A 6800xt is faster than a 4070 in quite a few games, but on average the 4070 is about 7% faster. You can get a 6800xt for 500$ right now and have 16gb of vram so you can keep playing games in 1440p for more than a year.

[@Ciz4Crummy]

Not everybody needs the latest and greeter to have a good time playing games. These types of videos are a great reminder for exactly that!

[@terencedodson9131]

I needed this video

[@ADunleavy]

When the new gpu doesn't even beat the old gen's Ti version by a noticeable margin it honestly isn't justifiable to purchase.

[@Zesmas]

300 for a 4060 isnt wild at all.........

[@ZwaetschgeRaeuber]

i went with 2x 3060 12gb instead of one 4060, can now play my games with reasonable graphics and also can use the second one for stable diffusion/Local LLM

[@Fatal_Inertia]

I got my 4060 new for $285 and I'm not noticing any performance shortcomings especially compared to a used card in the same price bracket. White gpus are hard to come by.

[@legendsocool644]

I recently picked up a RX 6700 XT for $225 and I believe if you don't have an unlimited budget like most people then get 1-2 generation behind the current one saves you money. if you build the exact computer I have new you would spend $870 (pre tax) I5 12400f, 32gb SP Ram, RX 6700 XT 1tb SN570, B760M DS3H, Thermalright Assassin SE, SuperNOVA 750 GT, inside the Bitfenix Novamesh M, I had gotten the RAM as a bday present and I found the PSU on B-Stock when it was good so I only about $680 came out of my pocket you could also get a lower watt PSU but for a B or A tier PSU 650w PSU's really aren't worth it when 750w PSU's are $10-$20 more and you would be putting quite a bit of money into PSU's with how much they have gotten.

[@hedgehog694]

My 6700XT crushes pretty much anything at 1440p and I got it for $225 used. The value of used cards (especially used amd cards) compared to modern stuff is kind of unreal

[@babelfishdude]

Depends where you live. If you are in Arizona where it has been 45 celsius for the last two months - less power created means less AC to get to a liveable temperature.

[@regigoogas2887]

I got a 3080 10gb on the used market for 350$ really glad i didn't upgrade to current gen

[@ArdyneusTheGod]

Yeah, I think I’ll humble myself and use my rtx 3070 Ti (FE) for a few more years. I got it around last year, and I’m planning to continue using it all through college.

[@KeithCVI]

Can you really price compare used GPU vs new? Used GPU are priced to sell. They are always going to be much better deal vs new. If 4060's MSRP is $200 then used 3070 will be $150.

[@_shadow_1]

The only 4000 series card that even tries to be competitively priced is the rtx 4070. Even then, if we disregard power efficiency, minor stability improvements, and a few newer features, it still barely competes with cards of similar performance from last generation in terms of price.

[@GraveUypo]

you can undervolt the 3070 and probably reach very similar power draw to the 4060 but still keep it faster. it only takes 50% of the power to keep 80% of the performance. 50% of the power is less than the 4060 uses, and 80% of the performance is more than the 4060 offers.

[@PropaneWP]

People need to know this. I really like the design of these infographics as well.

[@sgdude1337]

If you have $300 for a nvidia card I’d actually look for a 2080Ti. It’s basically exactly as powerful as the 3070 but it has 11gb of vram. I’d take that over anything in the 3000 series below the 3080

[@Robin-ro5ee]

I am sure I will get a lot of heat for this but I agree and disagree with your video. Biggest thing, and thank you for mentioning it is the fact of buying used and no warranty. I paid $270 for my Asus Dual 4060 brand new from a local retailer. Card is whisper quiet under load due to its extremely low TDP which is important to me. The main thing though (and this is where the heat will come) is DLSS 3 support. Yeah yeah "fake frames" people say but for all the people saying this, have you personally experienced this or just following the trend? I was amazed how smooth Cyberpunk became with higher frame rate due to DLSS 3. I think this video not including DLSS 3 being brought up doesn't show the full picture of what 40 series has truly brought to the table. I do think Nvidia did some shady things with this launch but I do not agree that this was as bad a launch as everyone makes it out to be. I think Nvidia is doing some pretty impressive things with software and power consumption and hope these trends continues with future releases but with better hardware improvements.

[@TSLstudio2010]

4060 should be: 200 dollars. 4060ti: 250 4070: 350-400 4070 ti: 450-500 Something like that.

[@Jogeshonroof]

In my country 3060 is $334 4060 is$ 343 Which one should i buy?

[@MrFierceVFX]

You should add 1080 to this comparison bench mark, and you will be impressed :D

[@mannylupercio8194]

Would love to have just purchased a 3070 but people are nuts and expect $500.

[@darianlee]

not joking, with the cost of electricity right now...

[@Antolioparker]

I bought a 5700 for 150 a year ago and flashed a 5700xt bios onto it and i get 200+fps in apex at 1080p

[@carrickdubya4765]

For me, the 4060 is the best choice, though I am waiting for a Prime Day promo to get one - lol. For one my psu is only 400w so the 115w is a BIG plus. Secondly I am limited to only 247mm(9.7 inches) in length, and lastly my monitor is 60Hz. So I do not care if i am losing 30% in performance compared to an invisible 3070 (that may have been used for mining, etc) as long as I am getting a solid gaming experience with RT. Not my first choice to get the vilified 4060, but who cares as long as it meets *MY NEEDS*

[@maximaus988]

UK retailer 'CEX' sells 3070s for around £300-310 which will have 2 years warranty. eBay finds them at about £250-270 so ymmv.

[@cosmiccustard9726]

i upgraded from a 3050 to a 3070 about 7 - 6 months ago. I bought my 3070 from newegg a used card and I’ve had zero problems surprisingly. I took it apart and i was surprised that it actually looked brand new it had no smell or anything.

[@Isshin007]

6700 XT is like 100$ more expensive than the RX 7600 in my country, not to mention the 6750 XT aswell And there is no way im gonna buy a used GPU online, its either finding someone and go meet them or i'll pass, and thats rarely happens to find people selling GPUs where i live. Also lets assume i find a good deal on e Bay for under 300$, add to that international shipping + Customs and VAT So i have no other choice but to buy new from online market

[@assetaden6662]

bro where do you live? In a cave or smth?

[@Isshin007]

@assetaden6662 And why is that? Just because of the high prices LOL? Some countries dont even have these GPUs available locally