Walt Clyde Frazier: Why Michael Jordan is NOT The GOAT

Walt Clyde Frazier weighs in on the GOAT conversation.
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[@daviddavis2648]

Loved when Walt Frazier and Earl Monroe manned the Knicks backcourt. What a great team.

[@davidabney7700]

Well said! That whole team was was one of the "best-evers" in pro basketball. Barnett & Walt at the guards, Bill Bradley and Dave Debusshere at the forwards, and Willis Reed at Center. Later, Earl the Pearl Monroe would join the Knicks and what an addition he was. The Pearl could handle a basketball with only one peer to rival him at ball handling, that being Pistol Pete Maravich. Earl could spring, pass between his legs and his opponents legs with such ease. He was also a court magician with his passes and impossible shots made. A very exciting player to watch! What great games I saw in the 60's and early 70's with the Knickers my favorite. There were so many All Star Players in those days that don't receive the recognition they so richly deserve.

[@tombkk1322]

@@davidabney7700Unbelievable team. Ball movement was incredible.

[@EricHansen-fr3cz]

Saw Earl monroe when he was on the bullets 1970 at msgnyc un real .could not stop him & knicks 72 changed his game. Great Times at msgnyc..70s..

[@watchmanonthewall14]

@@davidabney7700 Those Knicks teams were the most balanced and and most beautiful half court team I've ever watched. One or two of the Spurs teams almost matches that half court beauty and balance.

[@emmanuelenyinwa1443]

"Played every minute of every game for a whole season." That, to me, is the most amazing Stat of all.

[@anthonyjulianelle6695]

Almost true; he missed eight minutes after being ejected in one game with eight minutes left after getting his second technical.

[@nonamewillbegiven7228]

Yawn troll

[@carlweaver3243]

Dipper NEVER Foul Out of an NBA Game, Regular Season or Playoffs. He was Ejected from 1 game. He averaged 46 minutes per game, career. BTW, I Totally agree with Clyde about Unitas. If Johnny played today, He'd OWN all the Passing Records.

[@N.Y.A.Beat_Dump]

@@anthonyjulianelle6695 48.5 mpg, he played ot to compensate but yeh

[@phillipschuman4307]

@@anthonyjulianelle6695 True enough, but he still played enough OT minutes to make up for it, and therefore averaged over 48 minutes a game (48.5 that one season, and 45.8 for his career as well).

[@normiewoo787]

Jordan himself said that it's not fair or even really possible to correctly compare players of different eras, especially since they never played against each other. Yet people keep comparing.

[@JadenSmithEyes]

Who else is looking into Wilt Chamberlain and how he is definitely a GOAT? The man was a walking legend. Basically a myth at this point.

[@casualfandestroyer2503]

Grack bill> wilt

[@user-uq2gz5qq1d]

100% I think wilt deserves that goat tittle . At worst I’ll put him number 2 with rusell on number 1 . It’s hard not too , only MJ fans will cry and have a problem with that but I’m sure there’s a bridge close to them that they could jump off 😩💯 1 Wilt / rusell 2 Kareem 3 Kobe 4 Shaq 5 MJ/LBJ MJ or LBJ are not on my Mount Rushmore

[@casualfandestroyer2503]

@@user-uq2gz5qq1d I’ve thought about putting Wilt over jordan/Kareem but I don’t think I can put him ahead of lebron

[@nonamewillbegiven7228]

He aint the GOAT you 1d1ot

[@madddoggsrhymes2871]

he is like a greek god

[@wymple09]

Walt is spot on. Wilt is the only superman who ever played the game.

[@innosanto]

But this does not mean the best basketball player. Burd was better than Wilt and Jordan and Magic were also. Kareem was also better. And Kareem has said Bird was the best he ever played against.

[@wymple09]

@@innosantoWilt holds more records, in BASKETBALL, than all the players you just named...combined.

[@watchmanonthewall14]

@@innosanto Frazier did not say Wilt was the GOAT. He said Wilt was the most dominant ever. I was there. I watched hundreds of his games. And I've seen all of the absolutely dominant players since that time. Wilt was THE most dominant. Size, strength, and athleticism. And he could dominate entire quarters on both ends of the court, scoring at will and shutting everything down in the defensive paint. As for GOAT, there is no single player that's the GOAT. It's all opinion, with so many ways to judge it. Kareem says there's no GOAT. MJ says there is no GOAT.

[@allistermcginlay6476]

​@innosanto , before Wilts devastating knee injury, he easily out performed Kareem without trying, and afterwards, he was able to match him defensively, which was his main sports criteria in the later part of his career. Wilts team won most of the games and reached most of the finals and beat Kareem's team on the way to the final and winning the championship... 33 games in a row, the lakers team dominated like no other team in nba history and Wilt was the team captain an anomaly that took Kareem's team at its best to stop!

[@elrifle24]

I’m in my 20s but as a lover of history it always bothered me how people underrate the stars of the past.

[@pikabk8829]

I’m literally 13 and I am saddened at how they underrate the 60s and 70s

[@nonamewillbegiven7228]

Shutup you two

[@wesleycarter7775]

@@pikabk8829 they just not as good as today. deal with it.

[@JAWrightonline]

@@wesleycarter7775 So, Embìid and Anthony Davis are better than Wilt or Kareem?

[@Getdown8319]

@@wesleycarter7775there was more talent at the center position in the 60s than today. Get over it.

[@dennymk6454]

Russell has 11 rings, not 13

[@anthonyjulianelle6695]

True but you could argue that it should count as 13 as the last two championships he was a player and the coach.

[@hitek9too255]

@@anthonyjulianelle6695 That's insane. 13 rings with two as a player-coach. Incredible.

[@antav9371]

@yjulianelle6695 I think Russell got hurt in one of those losses too, not positive. What Russell did is amazing. People try to diminish it by saying " but they only had 10 teams back then..." So what? That just means he had to face one of the most dominate players ever at his position much more often in Wilt. Who's the comparable competition for Jordan at his position like Wilt was to Russell? Plus all the other players of Russells era played against the same teams and era rules. Can't diminish what Russell did in order to hold up MJ as the goat.

[@brucescott4261]

​@@antav9371 ...FINALLY!!! THANK YOU SO MUCH!!!

[@antav9371]

@@brucescott4261👌!

[@genobourn7423]

What is ironic is many get.mad at MJ because they call MJ the GOAT. MJ never stated or claimed to be the GOAT! He stated that it would be disrespectful to past era Star's.

[@Snotboxrocked156]

I dont think any nba player has called themselves the goat, and ppl aren't mad at michael jordan because of that. The anger is really geared towards his fans. Folks are delusional

[@alekseinilychkirillov8230]

@@Snotboxrocked156 "That one right there made me the greatest player of all time". - LeBron James

[@QuintonLuster-ys6fc]

Yeah he said that but, his actions later showed he wants the goat title. That mini movie he made about his career as a Bull screamed , I'm the goat . Call me the goat. LOL. Michael Jordan is one of the most me myself and I people on the planet. When King James was in his prime, Michael Jordan always had something to say negative about him . He heard the goat talk about LeBron and he didn't like it. LOL 😆😮

[@steffyranger]

​​@@QuintonLuster-ys6fc because it's disrespectful to compare LBJ to MJ. Jordan is not stupid 😂

[@QuintonLuster-ys6fc]

@@steffyranger Yes he is. He got his father killed.

[@jorgesilen1824]

Unquestionably Wilt Chamberlain is the GOAT!!!!! No one comes close

[@fml5910]

Kareem was great too, and so under rated.

[@Rah-Dollar]

Playing against small white boys make you a goat 😂😂😂😂

[@dwightlove3704]

Chamberlain had a streak 515 games in which he average 40 PPG and nobody is touching that

[@DeCurtaRican]

If Shaq, Hakeem, Moses, Ewing, D. Robinson, Mutombo, Parrish, Mourning, Dawkins, Bol, and Dougherty had all been in the league in the 1960s and 1970s instead of beating up on each other in the 1980s and 1990s, do you believe Wilt would have averaged those 50 PPG and whatever other gaudy stats he had? I say absolutely not. Wilt was special, but he only had six centers to beat: Jabbar Russell (limited offense) Gilmore Thurmond Unseld (undersized) Reed (undersized) Only Jabbar eclipses the centers I named above. Russell, Gilmore, and Thurmond would have been a problem in any era. Reed and Unseld? Nah.

[@wvu05]

​@@DeCurtaRican You forgot Bellamy and McAdoo. And here's the difference. When Wilt played, those HOF centers he played against _were in the majority of his games._ Expansion dilutes the talent pool, so nowadays, you're lucky to see someone play HOF caliber talent in 10% of their games. I'll give an example of expansion diluting the talent pool. I was born the same month Magic and Bird played their first regular season games. Their careers overlapped for 12 years, and they played each other 37 times. Wilt and Russell overlapped for 10 years, and they played each other 143 times.

[@christopherdreher2790]

Thank you!

[@MrThumbs63]

@@DeCurtaRican that's fair.

[@MrThumbs63]

@@wvu05 that's fair too.

[@ehoffman2260]

I love MJ, but Wilt was the greatest scorer, the greatest rebounder and the greatest shot blocker that ever played the game. That’s hard to fathom.

[@UnconventionalReasoning]

It would be amazing if we had official blocks stats from the 1950-60s. I expect Wilt and Russell would separate themselves from the rest just like they do with rebounds.

[@larrylinn1221]

Walt was one of the best guards also. He was an all around player. I think he was noted for his defense. Walt and Oscar Robertson was right up there in the best backcourt position ever that played the game. Great to see Walt .

[@bjmartin1215]

You're right about Walt Frazier being one of the best ever. He is extremely underrated now when so called experts talk about the greatest players of all time.

[@manny4552]

True

[@user-jf7xp8fk1b]

Don't forget Jerry,Kobe,and Magic.

[@manny4552]

@@user-jf7xp8fk1b and swingman John havlicek

[@kwarunner]

Walt had the sweetest jump shot. Most players that played with or against Wilt say he is the GOAT.

[@Uprising771]

Wilt said he could have averaged 50 pts his whole career but he was asked not to score too much. HIs field goal percentage was incredible. I honestly wouldnt even put Jordan at number 2. THe stats speak for themselves!

[@tombkk1322]

Will could do anything he wanted on the basketball court. They told him he was a ball hog so the next season he led the league in Assists!

[@Cdub177]

No center will ever be the Goat because of the height size and strength advantage over everyone else. It's easier to dominate with all those advantages. The Goat is the one who individually dominated everyone without those height strength and size advantages

[@Whity447]

And thats lebron ​@@Cdub177

[@dnice6120]

Yall do realize there was only 8 teams back then right, full of white boys, so of course he dominated.

[@Uprising771]

@@dnice6120have you ever seen a more athletic big man than Wilt.? did you ever see the clip of him high jumping? He would have dominated ANY ERA.

[@Rumble225-qe7fy]

Wilt averaged 21 31 rebounds and 10 assists against Russell Celtics in 68 ecf. I’d say that’s pretty versatile lol prob was averaging almost 10 blocks too. Wilt could do anything cept freethrows lol

[@marckellough529]

Actually that was '67 and that was the only time he ever beat Russell in the playoffs

[@gringeroid]

… and win enough rings to be higher up in the GOAT power rankings

[@J0SHOFFICIAL]

Played every minute of every game in a season.

[@bartonpercival3216]

And as I recall, Wilt never fouled out of a game either!!!!! 👍

[@jingqi9106]

Wilt Chamberlain is the most dominant player I've ever seen. No player has averaged at least 30 points and 20 rebounds a game in a season, except Wilt. Wilt averaged 30 and 20 for his CAREER (30.1 and 22.9).

[@ehoffman2260]

Yep, when you can do for your whole career what no one else could even do for just one season you are the Goat.

[@lindellhandysr3128]

I agree but Mr Chamberlain was 7 foot he was supposed to DOMINATE

[@jingqi9106]

@@lindellhandysr3128 Wilt was never the tallest player in the NBA but he was the strongest.

[@cbiizzy]

​@lindellhandysr3128 sure, like Kwame Brown.

[@christopherdreher2790]

Wilt was the Boss! In Basketball, Volleyball, and Tango.

[@terrelparris8642]

Walt Frazier is absolutely correct. Wilt was the most dominant player in the NBA. Rules were changed to stop him from dominating. The Big O, Oscar Robinson was versatile. He was 6'5" and weighed 220lbs and was quick. Russell had all of those championships. Yes all of the teams he played on had some of the HOF greats (Cousy, Sharman, etc). Michael Jordan resurrected the NBA, but in my opinion he's not the GOAT. The greatest is the Big Dipper. No one will ever avg 50 pts a game even with the 3-point shot. There will never be another player to get 11 championship rings like Russell. Wilt was created on Mt. Olympus. He has dined with Hercules, Zeus, and Cronus. Walt "Clyde" Frazier comments were on point.

[@jerrysmith8899]

Magic Johnson resurrected the NBA with his amazing game and awesome endearing personality. Michael Jordan was boring as Hell, and his personality was a 1 out of 10.

[@chuckgraham1695]

It all depends on the metrics you use as being the GOAT. Greatest of All Time. To me, that means individual accomplishments, and not one single person can stack up to Wilt.

[@user-uq2gz5qq1d]

When he said they were in good system they wasn’t dominating I felt that 💯✊🏽 gave me a whole different type of respect for that opinion .

[@entertainingsportshighligh7525]

He said Bill Russell won 13 CHAMPIONSHIPS. I thought he won 11 CHAMPIONSHIPS ??

[@jonjon5665]

2 as a coach

[@calvinlewis8924]

Walt is spot on about Wilt Chamberlain’s performance and dominance !!!

[@michaelblum6537]

What a pleasure and privilege it was to see Walt Frazier play. He's still bringing it with his targeted insights in this interview.

[@tallrobshortpants7190]

Otto Graham is the Bill Russell of the NFL. Taking the Cleveland Browns to 10 consecutive championships, winning 7.

[@acewilliams7917]

Indeed 💯 Automatic Auto!!!

[@scottdatplanetsave]

Chamberlain and Jordan discussed this before. Chamberlain ended the discussion when he said, to paraphrase, "The League changed the rules which made it easier for you to play. When I played the League changed the rules to make it harder for me to play." Examples: the hand-checking rule became a rule which made it easier for Jordan to score. Meanwhile goaltending became a rule to negate Chamberlain's ability to block shots: "if the balls is on a downward trajectory then it's goaltending." Case closed.

[@scottdatplanetsave]

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[@jamessansone3455]

If Bill Russell says Wilt is the goat then bank on that

[@jamessansone3455]

With the sneakers they wear today compared to the Chuck Taylors of the old NBA its crazy to think that today's game could have survived if they played the game wearing those sneakers

[@ronaldshiffman9171]

You know what, Clyde Frazier just gave one of the smartest analyses of the great NBA players and sports in general I have heard recently. Thanks, Clyde.

[@tom7471]

Wilt The Stilt was the Superman! Right on, Clyde! Bill Russell had 11 Championships in 13 years and he had two NCAA titles and an Olympic Gold. Not too shabby...

[@PorkyJohnson328]

The reason why Jordan and LeBron James are called the greatest. Is because they're benefiting from social media.

[@IgnorancEnArrogance]

Pound for Pound as an individual player, I totally get this argument. You also have to talk about the criteria, like Walt says, and that answer will change. MJ & Kareem Abdul Jabbar have the best case for the all around most accomplished basketball careers. Wilt would have won more championships if he changed up his game to help his team succeed, and had a coaching staff that pushed for team strategies, instead of just letting Wilt do whatever he wants the whole game. MJ started out like this, but it wasn't until Pippen & Jackson joined the bulls that he was forced to adapt to a more team play mindset, and develop a serious leader mentality. BTW Walt mentioned 13 chips for Bill Russell, and I was confused. I know he was a player coach in 68' & 69' but are we supposed to count those wins as two each? Is that an official ruling or what?

[@allistermcginlay6476]

At least get Wilts career actions in order? Wilt chamberlain did what his management asked him too...with teammates that arguably we're not going to be able to beat the Boston celtics players or their management...but Wilt at both ends of the court did the impossible took them to the playoffs or finals and made a games of it... 46 minutes (or more) a game playing both ends of the court, scoring well against the best defensive center in the nba Bill Russell and matching or outperforming Bill Russell defensively with less time... In that part of Wilts career it was putting bums on the seats and packing the stadium with a audience, Wilt dominated in that too! Wilts secon half of his career he dominated in another way by being a better center than Bill Russell, when he was 100% healthy, scoring less and playing to facilitate his team's scoring and playing defensive basketball... He did this with a career threatening injury with reduced his lateral movement and even then he managed on numerous occasions to slow down or even totally dominate defensively Kareem Abdul-Jabbar who many consider the goat... No body in nba history had the impact that Wilt Chamberlain had on both ends of the court! Wilt had two careers one was the most outstanding player in NBA history with one championship to his name against the Boston Celtics super team and his second part of his journey in the nba, a injury hurt Wilt became a greater defender than Bill Russell (admitted by Russell) Wilt won a Title and rewrote the record books with this strategy of play...33 game winning streak and the lakers first championship... Either part of Wilts career stacks up against any other player in history, you separate them and Wilts first 6 or 7 years is unquestionably the greatest sports individual performance in history and the second part of his career is equally memorable in his defensive specialist achievements, only one other player came close to match, the legendary Bill Russell...

[@dumisatonyjohnson8145]

Over 100+ records to his game -100 points in a game -55 rebounds in a game

[@Uprising771]

i never knew he had 55 rebounds in a game. incredible!

[@antonihardonk8970]

@@Uprising771 yes and not against a plumber or fireman like ignorant haters are gonna say. 55 rebounds against Russel one of the greatest rebounders India own right.

[@Uprising771]

@@antonihardonk8970 you mean *in his own right

[@antonihardonk8970]

@@Uprising771 yes thank you. 😀👍🏻

[@chipschannel9494]

A 62pt. Game against Russell also

[@Michael-xk3sp]

11 rings for Russell of 13 years in.

[@rickguerrero2282]

Clyde spoke the hard truth. Wilt came down from freakin” outer space……that is the only logical explanation for his early years. Jordan, Kobe, Magic, Bird, Shaq, Dr. J, Elgin……..all incredible players. But none come close to way Wilt did in his first few years on the league.

[@matt4sure364]

Jordan did for basketball, what Tiger Woods did for golf and Johan Lomu did for rugby, made the world want to watch. You can not quantify this by stats and figures.

[@user-fz8jl6lb1o]

No, media access (cable tv, 24 hour sports channels, the internet) and its push of Jordan, with the help of the NBA did that. Many people saw Dr J rarely, if at all, because of the way basketball was covered in his prime. It got better in Bird/magic’s era but was still nothing like it was for Jordan, and now you can’t look at a tv for 10 minutes without seeing Lebron’s face

[@clydeb7713]

He also NEVER fouled out of a game!

[@BingCherry11]

If Wilt would have had Magic as his point guard we can rest assured Wilt's points would go up by a lot!!!!! Lol!!!!

[@nonamewillbegiven7228]

1d1ot

[@bjmartin1215]

Walt Frazier and David Thompson are my two favorite players ever. I agree about Tom Brady, and about people calling whoever is playing now or recently the greatest. But Michael Jordan should definitely be in the conversation for greatest player ever.

[@mattveteska8559]

He s wrong about Brady though

[@antonihardonk8970]

1 - Wilt 2 - MJ 3 - Kareem 4 - Oscar Robertson

[@milojanis4901]

bjmartin, youve nailed it. It's human nature. Also known as "what have you done for me lately?"

[@123slasher.16]

How come the greatest player ever never played for a state title in high school or LED his college team to a national title? Jordan played on a title team LED by Worthy and Perkins but when he was the man the next 2 years, they didn't come close to winning a title. He's not the greatest, Jabbar is.

[@brucescott4261]

​@@123slasher.16 ...YOU ARE SO RIGHT!!! THANK YOU, THANK YOU, THANK YOU SO MUCH!!!

[@Michael-xk3sp]

Re Mercury: WILT is the GOAT. The dude had a lethal hook shot from 30 feet without looking. Swish.

[@jamespenny9482]

Just a reminder: The Knicks were only in the Finals because 1969-70 and 1972-733 were off years for the Celtics: In 1970 Russell and Sam Jones had retired and that dynasty was over and it was rebuilding time. In 1973, the Celtics won 68 games in the regular season, but in game 3 against the Knicks in the ECF, Havlicek injured his right shoulder and was basically no good for the rest of that series and thus the Knicks won in 7 games. That was the difference as evidenced by the fact that Havlicek came back and was the Finals MVP in 1974 when the Celtics beat Kareem's Bucks. Take that Stephen A and the rest of you Knick fans, lol. Much respect to Bernard King though, dude knew how to score, unlike (often, not always) clueless Jayson Tatum, but I digress.

[@bjmartin1215]

Walt Frazier is my all time favorite player, but Michael Jordan was versatile, dominant, and a champion. He was great in all areas of the game.

[@user-cz9vy9mu2l]

I AGREE CLYDE WILT CHAMBERLIN IS THE GOAT

[@kingsleyjackson8287]

The goat with only 2 rings

[@antonihardonk8970]

He would’ve had 15 rings if he had played for the Celtics with coach Auerbach.

[@MPerry-ox9qb]

@@kingsleyjackson82873-5 great players on a team will always beat one great player on a team. Even if they’re the GOAT.

[@ryanboyd100]

Walt Frazier gave the best discourse for the GOAT Convo of football and basketball

[@stevekatz4372]

I will be 80 years old in a few weeks and I have been watching pro sports for over 6 decades and I have seen all the greatest teams and players of that time and I must agree with Walt because what he is saying is what I have been saying for many years! Wilt was a super human sports legend and IMO He is probably the only player in Basketball History that anyone can say is "The GOAT"! Those of us so called old timers who are educated sports fans know who all the great p[layers and it makes for heated discussions but without solid resolutions But it's Fun to listen & Laugh, because it's just Entertainment!

[@RaysDad]

Gotta love Walt Frazier, the coach-on-the-floor for the great Knicks championship teams of 1970 and 1973 that had hall of famers at every position.

[@aaronfleming4176]

I can't argue with Clyde

[@anselmaule865]

Yes you're accurate and the block shots, great criteria, excellent, educate them.

[@RickeyWilkersonVoices]

Clyde is just keeping it real folks.

[@scottcook3046]

Jordan had to wait until the Celtics, Pistons and the Lakers got old to start winning championships They barely be got by the Pacers in the Eastern Conference Finals in 97 to 3 peat that 2nd time Their compotition wasn't as tough during that era either

[@edisonedison7588]

Walt Frazier has the right analysis, and I agree with him about Johny Unites my favorite quarterback

[@o751106]

Wilt played against guys with a height of 5"5 when he was 7 feet tall. You guys are Jordan haters

[@yehor_ivanov]

@@o751106 well, MJ played against Spud Webb and Muggsy Bogues just check the average height in the league in the 60s and 70s, it's almost the same as in the 80s))

[@lonnieodom8036]

Oscar Robertson, to me, is the best player to ever play in the NBA. Russell was on the best teams, Wilt had no other 7 foot all-stars night after night to play against . Basketball is more than just shooting.

[@brucebevans1912]

Out of all the great players that was and is, who made these owners and players the most money in the history of the game, and made it world wide. What player did that?

[@davidabney7700]

Walt was "exactly" right about his pick for GOAT. Wilt Chamberlain stood at the top, who the hell is going to score 100-points in a single game? Many teams don't break 100, let alone 1-player, like Wilt did. Same accolades fall at Bill Russell's feet. 13-Championship Rings, what other NBA player comes close to that. Even with the 3-point shot bonus that would come years after greats like Jerry West, Pistol Pete, the Big O Oscar Robertson, Rick Barry, Walt Frazier, Bob Cousy would have scoring records that would have stood for years. The elimination of the "zone defense" in pro basketball would enhance scoring but nothing like the 3-point rule did. Imagine Pistol Pete Maravich and the 3-point shot, in college and the pros. Wilt would not have benefited much with the 3-point shot, because his scoring was in close, down and dirty. Man, Wilt was strong under those boards!

[@seangermano1563]

Look holes can be made in any argument tbh. The more factors you look at the clearer the picture, but its just not possible to analyze every facet. That being said MJ checks more boxes for me, the analytics that try to look at the overall impact on the enrtire game say he was the best ever. He is as accomplished as anyone whos every played, had athleticism in spades, and was a top tier winner.

[@user-uq2gz5qq1d]

I actually like how frazier put it because they put MJ on number one and don’t look in to the real factors .most people say it because another person said it . Those who saw all these generations got to see everyone so they really kno . I’ll take any of these old school players point of view seriously just because they make you feel their opinion . But sounds to me that MJ only checks few boxes and might not even be a goat candidate after all . With that being said 👇🏽 1 Kareem 2 bill rusell 3 wilt 4 Kobe /MJ 5 DUncan / LBJ 6 SHAQ My comment is not meant to change your opinion at all . Tbh to me it don’t matter what you think . I’m just putting my opinion just like you did yours . I know I’ll have to revisit this debate again every year until LBJ retires . I think the goat debate will die down once LBJ retires . LBJ gonna be the last candidate for the goat argument for a very long time and he’s points away from each spot from 4 to 1 . Kobe beat MJ because the years in the league , all time leading score , made more finals than MJ and won 80% of them and not once retired . Counts for some for me . MJ had the opportunity and could’ve been number 1 on the all time score , and most likely made more finals and probably won as well , but he folded on that and retired twice . It’s all his fault now on whoever keeps on passing him . Now let’s see how my comment age as far as LBJ . Everything else stays the same and just keep bumping them down if LBJ keeps on climbing!

[@Celothxu]

@@user-uq2gz5qq1d yeah this is a ridiculous comment, no offense. Kobe passed Jordan? Kobe copied Jordan. You realize Kobe learned by watching MJ, not mj watching Kobe. Jordan NEVER had the opportunity to look at anybody from the pros, till most likely 17 years of age. And he's still the goat. Kobe was studying everything MJ did from like 9. Same for LBJ. And still MJ is the goat. Kobe can't surpass MJ when he 1) played in a weaker defensive era, the zone, where old ass MJ avged 25/5/5 before he got injured 2) when Kobe said mj was ADVISING Kobe in every chip. Jordan didn't get advice from Kobe lol 3) Kobe choked away a ring in 2004, despite Shaq was giving him 27ppg on 50% shooting. 4) When Kobe let his 2X championship team get SWEPT by the mavs. Didn't win a game. MJ Never Lost a round When his team had the homecourt. Ever. There is not one player on your list that can say that. NOBODY. And that includes magic, bird, Hakeem, etc. That's how incredibly difficult and near impossible that is. Mj did it 24x. Plus 72-10 10 scoring titles DPOY (while avging 35 ppg on over 50% shooting lmao) There are only 3 three peats since 1969 Jordan owns 2. (Shaq owns 1) Jordan wins 3. Retires. And became the first to return from retirement and win a championship (forget about 3x) The most points scored in a single playoff game, 63, vs the top defensive team, the eventual champs, with 5 hofers including Larry Bird. Mj has the highest scoring avg in a single finals. Which sealed his first 3 rings. And I know. It's a team sport. Mj didn't win by himself. Very true. Only thing is, MJ was the main component in every chip the bulls won. He's the main reason. Where as Kobe is the main reason why the Lakers lost in 04. (In the zone) Lbj is the main reason why the heat lost in 2011 (dwade gave him 27ppg) Jordan don't have this. That's another reason why he's the goat.

[@Advent616]

@@user-uq2gz5qq1d anyone can make statistics if you're good and you play along time though. Say you're the all-time leader in assists. The moment somebody passes you you are now number two instead of number one. It totally erases that achievement for you. You can't erase accolades. Five championships will forever be five championships. You don't suddenly fall 24 championships it because somebody passes you and gets six championships. Also versatility in statistics doesn't mean nothing if your team isn't winning. It is the Fatal flaw in the argument for Wilt Chamberlain as the goat. You shouldn't just play for your own statistics. You should play so the team around you can win. Jordan's teammates get a share in those 6 championships. Wilt Chamberlain's teammates don't get a share in his statistics. My guy @seangermano1563 is right. You can poke holes in any argument. Walt Praises Wilt Chamberlain for being all around player and also praising Bill Russell for having more championships than Jordan. But Wilt played too much for statistics. And Bill Russell wasn't the go to guy on his team like Wilt Chamberlain and it's funny dad Walt Frazier will say Jordan is a great player that was in the right system when you can say the same thing about Bill Russell. Jordan was like the perfect balance between Wilt Chamberlain and Bill Russell not too offensive and not too defensive.

[@antonihardonk8970]

@@Advent616 any kind of atlete plays for two reasons. Win prices and set records. That’s also what owners, coaches and fans want them to do. In basketball you’re much depending on your team and how it’s coached. If your team just isn’t strong enough to beat a stacked Celtics after you singlehandedly brought them there you might get only the records. Now don’t turn it around and say playing for records is a bad things as it’s literally part of their job description. When you do that you’re just trying to attack the persons character as you can’t attack his contributions. And claiming that Wilt was selfish doesn’t hold up as he transformed his game many time just to fit in the strategy his coaches had for the teams he played with.

[@phillipschuman4307]

@@Advent616 Wilt led two separate teams to the all-time season win total (breaking his former team's record). The first time, he led his team to stopping the mighty Celtics title streak at 8, in a near sweep. (Went up 3-0, won 4-1). The next time he led the 69 win Lakers to the all-time win streak of 33 games. It still stands to this day, 40+ years later, as the longest win streak not only in the NBA, but also in all major pro sports. It took the defending champion Bucks with prime Kareem to stop that streak, and the Lakers had to go through them in the WCF to make the Finals. Wilt lost four times in a game 7 to the Celtics, with a total margin of loss just 9 points. Basically one bucket made or missed per series. Both Kareem and Rick Barry apologized later for calling him a loser, and both say he was the GOAT over Jordan.

[@callawayproducts]

Wilt Chamberlin is definitely thee most dominant player in the history of the game! But Michael Jordan is the GOAT! Hands down, and even Wilt said that NBA players should be given MJ a portion of their checks due to the way Mike transcended the game, no one comes close! And people forget that basketball is a Big Mans game and MJ at 186-215lbs was no big guy but played like one and his stats literally show it! We know the game is team play & Phil, the Bulls organization, and Nike all had a part, but the investment paid them all tremendously! Everything Mike touched turned to gold, he saved the NBA by himself! Saved Nike, saved Gatoraide, Hanes, the way players get paid, shoe contracts, endorsements, you name it, this guy should be the logo for the game! Wilt & Kareem were def good because they were the tallest & biggest in the game like Shaq! But lil azz Mike doing what he was doing on offense and defense? Come on! And made sure you held your own if you played on his team? Lol come on! Only guy I know who is undeafeated in the Olympics and beat the NBA allstars 7-0 as an amateur! Wilt is the Man, but MJ is thee GOAT

[@Tanfo77]

Wilt was way ahead of his time. Every other players in that era was just wasn't as skilled. Just watch the games back then. Just a lot of awkward dribling. But I do agree about Tom Brady.

[@Come-soooonn]

When Walt Frazier played, I think he carried himself with dignity, not like these trash talking street thugs in uniform.

[@rufferto5429]

Walt asks the right question, What's the criteria?

[@johnhanover2229]

If you break it down by position, there are a lot. Wilt The Stilt used to deadlift big men out of the paint. As far as Centers go it’s Wilt then everyone else after that.

[@seriousone8229]

Wilt lead the league in assist as a center 1967-1968 (702)

[@sabastianhaskins9339]

If Walt really thought about it only M.J.is even on the list of every criteria he used.Scoring,dominance, versatility,winning

[@ImadogGarcia]

yeah and Jordan was some of a few topscorers to win it all, before they call Jordan just a „scorer“

[@JAWrightonline]

Why do you Jordansexuals always leave out rebounding and blocks. He never led the league in either category. You can't check the box on those categories with Jordan. Even Julius (Dr. J) Erving was better in those aspects. Oscar Robertson and Russell Westbrook are better rebounders and they were shorter.

[@jemahoney]

The only reason why you are kissing Michael Jordan‘s ass is because that’s who you saw play you didn’t see the dominant players before Jordan

[@Snotboxrocked156]

Bruh are u dumb? No the hell he's not. Defending for example isn't jordans strong suit on the bulls the time he played, that went to pippen. So how does he dominate? Yall jordan fans are delusional

[@kurtadams3021]

Facts 💯💯💯💯💯💯💯💯💯

[@ssuuppeerrbbooyy]

"Because I predicted he wouldn't be so good, and he proved me wrong, so I can't cope with that fact other than denial." All these talks of BIll Russel and Wilt is like trying to make the case that sprinters from 50s would beat Usain Bolt.

[@Uptown59]

I agree with Walt Frazier on both Michael Jordan and Tom Brady. Thanks for sharing this.

[@tedfio1tedfio1]

Walt and Larry Bird are my favorite NBA players!

[@ehrren7228]

Clyde is SPOT ON !!! Both about Jordan AND Brady. Period 💯🎯

[@____2080_____]

The NBA in trying to erase wilt Chamberlain from the wreck books. Discussion is like Marvel comics, trying to erase John Byrne and Jack Kirby from the history of comics. If we’re talking about any single player, will Chamberlain is the greatest human to have ever played the game of basketball. Any other greatest of all time discussion, including Michael Jordan, is merely a narrative we like to have. The media created this for media ratings. The greatest teams is a bit better, but still, depending on the rules sets is a non-starter of a discussion. For instance, the so-called handles of Steph Curry and Kyrie Irving, the so-called euro step moves would be traveling in the early 80s and earlier.

[@superchas1164]

Wilt was the original stat padder, he cared more about winning his way, that’s why he only won 2 rings, once was because he was so dominant and the second was when he learned to be a team player at the end of his career

[@dylanmylesyoung796]

Buster = GOAT

[@keithkarvelis82]

I love Clyde but he's wrong about Tom Brady. He's one of the greats.

[@UnconventionalReasoning]

People find era-specific reasons to dismiss or diminish the careers of players like Wilt, Russell, Robertson, West, and Baylor. But they rarely talk about the era-specific disadvantages they had to deal with. For example, all five were drafted before MLK's "I Have a Dream" speech. They were playing in a time of rampant racism, hotels and restaurants which refused to serve the Black players, Sundown Towns where a Black person better not be out after dark, etc. People often say Shaq was more dominant than Wilt because Wilt played away from the basket more. He wanted to be a "skilled" player. It was bad enough being called "Goliath", the "King Kong" label was probably close to being used.

[@ridhowiranatakusumah6531]

love walt from indonesia

[@LeolovelifeLL]

11 not 13 championships for Bill.R.

[@drummajor]

Before the media made this GOAT conversation so relevant, it used to be MVP on a year to year basis... who's the GOAT for this year or who was the GOAT last year....💥

[@Merino11]

Where can I buy Wilt tennis shoes?

[@Pop-lr6yb]

No sneakers in that era

[@ConfusedAstroStation-mb2ch]

criteria for GOAT is player who changed the game...most impactful..with that criteria I can list 3.. a. MJ - high flyer, unstoppable fade away, in your face dunks, clutch game winners. everyone wanted to be the next MJ, from Grant Hill, Vince Carter, Kobe, Lebron etc. b. Shaq - changed the game by changing the NBA rules, reinforced backboards, enable zone as no one can guard Shaq c. Steph Curry - revolutionized the game, literally changed the game from pound the rock back to the basket post game to shooting opening the game..now literally every team in the NBA has to shoot 3s now, just watch a NBA Highlight and almost every possession is a 3 pointer..

[@timv6141]

cool interview

[@alberg6290]

"he knew every stat"------------THAT was the problem------Russell only cared about one stat---WINS

[@bigdogfromnj]

I'm 43 years old if it didn't happen in my lifetime it never happened 💪🏿

[@brianyakata1978]

There is no greatest. Like you said what is the criteria? You were the most dominant player during the championship runs.

[@stevegullins9479]

Wilt is the best of All Time, Walt Frazier is correct, Chamberlain avg 50 rebounds a game avg 50 points a game scored 100 points in a game, my grandmother gave Wilt his first basketball in Philadelphia.

[@stevenhearrell1564]

Walt is right when asks, "What criteria?" I think the parameters need to be set, and evaluated. Then perhaps, you can round up a number of greatest players. It's all a bunch of hype. It doesn't mean anything. What matters is how you carried yourself as a player, and that is an intangible.

[@SmileyMikey]

Clyde is right!

[@syedshamrezrehanshahkazmi3324]

100%

[@throw3348]

Gave me something to think about! 😂

[@nonamewillbegiven7228]

No it didnt

[@KIWILEMONADE123]

Facts he aint lie

[@robbourne1950]

Point well taken.

[@aaronclark885]

Clyde is my ALL TIME favorite player. The GREATEST Knick of All Time. His opinions are 99% on point. In my opinion this must have been Opinion #100 because he missed this one. GOAT? It's Mike, PERIOD. If Mike played in Chamberlain's Era? C'mon. He could probably get 100. Elgin got 60 something in The Playoffs (Finals?). You're going to tell me with a straight face that Mike couldn't top that? I RESPECTFULLY disagree Mr. Walt Frazier. .But you'll always be my Favorite. Love you Sir.

[@arielmunoz9835]

couple of things Clyde doesn’t see..yes Chamberlain was a great Center and he did a lot of great things at his position..Michael Jordan is just a total different animal - he came into the league with his own blueprint and he changed the Paradigm of the game from the game revolving around big men (Centers and Forwards) to revolving around him and the Guard position..and so he took the Big Men right out of the Equation..so he changed the paradigm and revolutionized the game simultaneously..if you ask an old school player that ? they will always back up the Old School players…been watching the NBA since 1973 and no player then or now comes close to Michael Jordan..Keep in mind he carried Chicago Bulls with no all stars or superstars on the team all he had was roll players..Scottie Pippen became just an all star in his third season….

[@willerauguste7021]

11 rings.

[@yehor_ivanov]

13 * check it

[@baileytheinvestor2622]

No disrespect to the late great Mr Russell but those rings were when there was 10 and less teams in the league. Nobody ever says that. Mike def gotta be in the conversation at least. 6-0 with like 30 teams.

[@KIWILEMONADE123]

FACTS

[@livewithaffection6905]

I think Jordan showed the most intensity on the court and that’s why he is thought of as the goat.

[@imdoneguessing]

Listen to an individual who had the flyist kicks designated after him . On and off the court.

[@havindy]

There have been a lot of great players. Walt is still my favorite. For the record, Walt, Willis and the Knicks beat Wilt, Jerry and the Lakers in the 1970 NBA finals. That was a good time for NY. January 1969, Jets beat Baltimore to win the Super Bowl. October 1969, Mets beat Baltimore to win the World Series. May 1970, Knicks beat L.A. Lakers to win the NBA Championship. Good times!

[@PorkyJohnson328]

Maybe Clyde was counting the two championships Russell won at USF. The University of San Francisco.

[@traviswilliams8943]

How do all these milk toast interviewers always sit in the seat of judge of greatness

[@anversailles]

Wilt was dominant but he wasn't out there to tear your heart out which he absolutely could do. He just wouldn't do it. Plus he kept on losing to Bill Russell. Wilt didn't play with scrubs, he had Elgin Baylor and Jerry West. He is up there with the greatest, but I can't put him as GOAT on individual accolades alone. Bill Russell is the next best candidate for GOAT because of his utter success as an athlete but he wasn't dominant on both ends of the court, and a lot of the factors of that area honestly just made winning easier for such a good player. The seasons have less games, the format made good teams get first round byes and a significantly easier time because they suffered much less wear and tear. Kareem is a scoring beast but in almost all of the stats he loses out to Jordan despite the fact that big men often get higher ratings in metrics because they capture greater measurable stats. Jordan was two-way, at one point being the DPOY and the scoring leader in the same season. A feat that has never been replicated to this day. I would argue that Wilt could do that too, but he wasn't a killer like Jordan so he never approached the game with the same vicious competitiveness and drive. This held Wilt back. This is just speaking about the abilities of the players, not mentioning the fact that Michael made basketball a global sport and must-see TV, as well as elevating the status of the black athlete similar to what Muhammad Ali accomplished with boxing.

[@seanobrien8861]

He played with West and Baylor at the end of his career.

[@Davek7110]

one problem w comparison is the difference in roles each superstar had. Wilt really typifies this. He was asked to score a lot in the first 6 years....So he did. Then back in Philly he was asked to share the offensive load and pass and rebound... he did.... his scoring dropped. Later in LA he pretty much was asked to give up scoring and just facilitate West, Baylor and Goodrich, and play defense. He did. If Wilt had continued to be a one man scoring machine(like Jordan), Wilt's numbers would be out of sight offensively. WHich they are anyway. West is closest to Jordan as far as his role....Score first and assist next, and play defense. I read that if West had a 3 pt line, he would have a 34 pt career average(someone did the research). So, yes Jordan was probably top three all time guard (West, MJ, and Clyde?), but WIlt has to be all time Center even with changing roles... 30/23 lifetime.... no one else did that for even one season!! Consider that! RIngs are team accomplishments.... and Celtics deserve best team ever in the 60's. Nine rings. wow!

[@Davek7110]

btw, I'm happy to include Big O as a top guard, but I think he played forward quite a bit at Cincy....

[@kevinsho2601]

I love how people think giannis is more athletic than Wilt was. Wilt is the only dude from the olden days that I think would be able to be the best in todays era if he was exposed to todays coaching and advancements in the game. He would have been giannis on steroids

[@nanmanledamtong7282]

And yet He was beaten by Bill Russell, .......that was the difference between Him and Jordan...... nobody has it all, but Jordan a 6'6" guard, dominated his era, won 6/6 in his era, and won more accolades within a short span of 15 years .....above all he made the game global, while playing for a franchise that had not history of winning till He came.....He also made a shoe company an iconic international brand......enuf said.....

[@rayvonweaver562]

WALT CLYDE FRAZIER NY ALL TIME FAVORITE NY KNICK!!! SPEAKING THE TRUTH!!!

[@ojob9262]

Facts

[@nonamewillbegiven7228]

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