The ONE Time You SHOULDN'T Backlight...

[@AndreiLucaa]

Cool stuff! More Cine Tracer content 🔥

[@keith-knittel]

My go-to for extending golden hour has been to diffuse the subject from the sun and bring in a light to "offest" once it really starts going down, instead of blocking it out completley. This gives you a few more minutes if needed, but after a while the sky gives it away and it looks too lit. Then using neg on the opposite side (where you were using your light mat). Cheat the camera to the shadow side of the line. My thought process was to have the neg on the other side of the subject from the sun. Same subject positioning from the sun, but opposite of your neg and light setup here. I'm probably wrong. Going to try this setup next time! Thanks for the breakdown

[@innastateStudios]

Great video and software! Wow incredible! I read a long long time ago in a landscape photography book, while using a pol filter, the best location to point the camera at for the bluest sky look is a 90 degree angle 📐 away from the sun ☀️ 🤗

[@flochfitness]

This is amazingly helpful. Please keep learning what you are screwing up and sharing it with us. 💪🏻

[@JLSTibu]

Cine Tracer for your breakdowns feels so OP. I would suscribe to your Patreon again if you do a series of only Cine Tracer content like this. It's really great.

[@Visethelegend]

His courses are done with cinetracer

[@kwa42]

this is absolutely fantastic thank you soo much for the video! appreciate how well you take maximizing shooting time, scheduling and wide shot coverage into consideration

[@DavePattenFilm]

Seconding everyone's comments on more cine tracer content, this is excellent

[@wanderingdp]

more is on the way

[@SketchBenjamin]

phenomenal. Thank you 🔥 And I love that you didn’t edit out the stuff when your computer’s dying

[@jaredfilms]

But doesn’t the key then feel off since the sun is lighting the background but now the key (which is ambient or bounce) is coming from opposite direction? If there’s a building on the blocked site I think it would work but other than that?

[@Studio23creation]

yes ! i commented the same thing. seems off.

[@elliotonl8839]

I guess it depends what look you’re going for. Dune as an example implements some cool blocking & comp to make it feel natural. Sometimes you need a lot of level on the key to illustrate an expression (especially in the current commercial space)

[@DanielScotch]

Great content bro! valuable info

[@NikolayZhukov_nio]

As always till very end. Thank you so much for your time and sharing this brilliant technique 🙏🏼

[@wanderingdp]

1% gang

[@greggant88]

These cine tracer breakdowns are a fun change up from the usual breakdowns. Would love to see more of them!

[@purplekloud1]

Thanks for explaining so well

[@Studio23creation]

Nice one ! But why not use diffusion for the low sun and maybe neg on the other side, instead of the neg shadow and bounce you propose, which introduce a big issue : the direction of main light on the talent is opposite to the direction of light on landscape, thus creating a very artificial look ?

[@bearcammedia]

the neg would not wrap around the talent, it would take away the ambient wrap that he is going for. As I see it...

[@robinsquares]

Good solution! But I wouldn't say this creates an artificial look. We're used to seeing humans in the shadow of a big object at sunset.

[@drewh79]

this is such a great lesson, cheers bloke

[@stu9000]

I’m shooting my first feature right now and we just had a sunset scene that this would have been handy for 😂 Thanks Patrick

[@brackendegn8694]

I love imagining some KZbin DP stumbling across Patrick’s channel and hearing him tell them they’re not very good and imaging their face. 😂

[@flochfitness]

😂😂😂

[@robinprobyn1971]

@@flochfitness I think a lot of the really good ones are a bit insecure , or humble enough to know they are always learning . Even Sir Roger and others Ive read about, always say they are nervous on the first day , or don't like to see rushes or look into the viewfinder to calm their nerves and not have to answer any questions was another one.

[@dukecha]

Not sure if you'll get to this comment since video was uploaded 6 months ago, but I was wondering how you decided which side of the subject to backlight from. If there is a key light wrapping around a subject, when do you stylistically choose to backlight the key light side and when you choose to backlight the shadow side?

[@yottstwitch7222]

Please do a video on backlighting techniques and looks in camera.

[@isaakkimmel6951]

Fantastic! Thank you for your knowledge :)

[@OuterEastLLC]

Great info. Thanks for sharing.

[@haxstir]

IMHO when she's in shadow the soft key, even though soft, is to directional to feel like magic hour. You'd have to use other bounces and reflectors to cover left, right and top to get a real feeling as if it's magic hour that then matches real magic hour when the sun sets.

[@DLHMedia]

You mention starting the sunset look at 3pm, but wouldn’t the sky be blue until sunset time? How would you match the closeups with the wide with a blue daylight sky? Thanks for all your work- I’m also a Patreon sub and love your insights.

[@wanderingdp]

less fov the closer you go means you have a higher chance of being able to control the bg

[@oleksandr785]

Neg the whole scene is not always an option but anyway maaan this is so insightful!!!

[@wanderingdp]

if you can't neg the whole scene you made a mistake before you even showed up

[@coudik]

amazing video as always! i have one point tho. it the bg would be more complex, now its front lit - meaning very flat, right?

[@westwoodmanorfilms7779]

Good Stuff! Thank you.

[@MansionFilms]

Well done

[@JacoxNovak]

Gotta try this out, for me this is really out of the box, haha, good stuff

[@wenjun_n]

Loved the technique, but this method still probably be quite the challenge for places near the equator. The weather changes and the sun angles just don't play nice.

[@wanderingdp]

i've never used the equator excuse before for poor results but I will definitely add it to my arsenal for travel jobs in the future

[@thepropolys]

Why is he using a light to represent a bounce? Is the luminosity supposed to be analogous to different bounce materials?

[@MarineSwan]

why you dont use a diffuser like a full silent or 1/2 for sunlight? am i missing somenthing?

[@younglil7943]

I guess because in the setup he showed, it would’ve been front lit

[@remidays6664]

Nice clip!

[@leoquesto9183]

Why must thou rock? Because ‘tis thine calling, Rocker! Another big banger.

[@virtualcircle285]

These 3d tutorials in Cin data are great

[@michaelrankine2801]

Love this cine tracer content

[@wanderingdp]

everybody seems to like the cinetracer stuff the best. the people have spoken. more to come

[@cinema-q]

This is brilliant...

[@braxtonwoullard1188]

What is the name of this software?🤔

[@thomasjguyton]

Wow so damn helpful

[@jackbarron8880]

Backlight everything....made a difference to my cinematography.

[@CritterElectronics]

Which program is this ?

[@atari1001]

But wouldnt the background be front light and flat such as landscapes and buildings?

[@wanderingdp]

find a way

[@studiojoua]

Hi ! What about diffusing sunlight and putting the neg to the other side ?

[@Studio23creation]

yes, exactly what i commented ahah. would be more natural. seems simpler too.

[@younglil7943]

I guess because it would’ve been front lit like that, and even if you diffuse the sun as a side light, there would still be the sky problem

[@vinc74600]

@@younglil7943 we can move the talent angle and camera a little to have back lit and almost the same sky/background situation.. the setup he presents remains interesting and can be useful in particular cases

[@lucatraverso529]

very helpful!

[@wanderingdp]

I'm glad!

[@MarioGarcia-cp2ql]

Hi! Do you know the name of that computer program for lighting simulation?

[@jaredfilms]

it’s cine tracer

[@qiyuantan]

its Cine Tracer

[@MarioGarcia-cp2ql]

Thank you!

[@haxstir]

@@MarioGarcia-cp2ql you have to run it inside Unreal Engine.

[@chelo111]

[@tutorials859]

more stuff like this in 3d

[@TinyCometFilms]

I'm not very good at cinematography the way you used to be not very good at cinematography back when you were actually not very good at cinematography

[@wanderingdp]

i know that feeling

[@miloplacas]

Epiccccc

[@MylonasFilms]

Cine tracer was killin me. I hope you get better at it 😅😂😂

[@cockerjc]

Great work.

[@Braedin]

I’ve shot into that bright 20+ stop DR gradient in the sky after the sun is gone and regretted it every time. 🫡

[@deonvnzl]

same! haha. this is a great episode.