Want Hi-Fi Sound on a Budget? Watch This ELAC DEBUT DB63 Review Now

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Erin's Audio Corner

Erin's Audio Corner

Күн бұрын

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@losergamer04
@losergamer04 3 ай бұрын
I love the data behind your observations. Objective with the subjective. Thanks for the consistent quality reviews.
@dlloyd6300
@dlloyd6300 3 ай бұрын
I love you adding the EQ walkthrough! This should be on all speaker reviews where applicable!!!
@leeh4722
@leeh4722 3 ай бұрын
Yes that’s a great idea…
@mattholland315
@mattholland315 3 ай бұрын
You do have to be careful as adjusting the on-axis might not result in the idea estimated room response. It depends on your room and your positioning, but EQ with some caution.
@User_not_found_403
@User_not_found_403 3 ай бұрын
Erin - appreciate you breaking down your definitions and the added diagrams. Really helps clarify, on access, tow-in, distance from wall. Many other reviews make too many assumptions :)
@ErinsAudioCorner
@ErinsAudioCorner 3 ай бұрын
Glad it was helpful!
@fonkenful
@fonkenful 3 ай бұрын
As well as having entirely different ideas of what those terms represent.
@User_not_found_403
@User_not_found_403 3 ай бұрын
@@ErinsAudioCorner Also appreciate the pragmatism. If people are buying bookshelf speakers, typically space is a constraint, otherwise we could opt for towers. So the measurements and space from wall tips really help, especially when in a non ideal listening space.
@johnvolanski7879
@johnvolanski7879 Ай бұрын
I bought a pair of these DB63 speakers in September 2024 after hearing them at the THE Show. I have them in my living room, being driven by a Proton AA-1150 power amplifier (which can deliver up to 400WRMS/ch on dynamic peaks, but 50WRMS/ch normally). My living room is huge- about 40' wide with a cathedral ceiling. I have the Elac speakers paired with a Velodyne F-1200 servo subwoofer to handle the bottom of the bottom octave. In short, this system sounds ABSOLUTELY PHENOMENAL for this price point! The sound certainly is dependent on the source material, but for some of the music I've done in my own studio and played back at 24bit/48kHz, the soundstage image is no kidding the full 40' wide by 10' high with excellent depth. It is really hard to believe that the sound I'm hearing is coming out of those little bookshelf speakers. When people come over for a demo, I tell them to close their eyes and listen, because the visual of what they are seeing in front of them doesn't at all match the audio soundstage they are hearing. Interestingly, the Proton amp never goes into Dynamic Power on Demand mode even when I have these cranked (which means it is putting out 50WRMS/ch or less). I can HIGHLY recommend these Elac speakers for their outstanding price/performance ratio. I am an Electrical Engineer and an Audio Engineer.
@flash4973
@flash4973 3 ай бұрын
As always, amazing video. Great info straight to the point. Thank you for this man you are the only channel providing such high quality, non biased information. Never stop bro.
@andrewforsythe7240
@andrewforsythe7240 3 ай бұрын
I have the B6.2's, the tweeter was always holding that speaker back. Glad they changed the tweeter. My B6.2's are back in the box in mint condition. Now rocking Klipsch. Great review thanks.
@serjturischev9557
@serjturischev9557 10 күн бұрын
holding back? but it has way more clear and transparent response, how can it be holded back?
@maxvargas1007
@maxvargas1007 2 ай бұрын
which one is a better buy Debut 3 DB63 or the DBR62?
@DragonWhisper14
@DragonWhisper14 18 күн бұрын
He said if you have the 62 and you have extra money, you should get the 63. You can probably sell the 62 for more than the cost of the 63. 62 looks better imo but they may drop the price soon.
@pylgrin
@pylgrin 12 күн бұрын
He say the opposite
@jamesquinn2759
@jamesquinn2759 5 күн бұрын
@@DragonWhisper14 dbr62 is not the same as the db62
@jamyv7826
@jamyv7826 4 күн бұрын
2 months and still no answer 😢 Debut 63 or debut reference 62?
@deankeaton162
@deankeaton162 9 күн бұрын
Man, the job you do and advice you provide is invaluable. You remind me of one or two best university professors I ever had. Deep knowledge transferred simply and effortlessly. Absolute top of the game. Respect and best wishes!
@ErinsAudioCorner
@ErinsAudioCorner 9 күн бұрын
Wow, thanks!
@lukeselker5175
@lukeselker5175 3 ай бұрын
Thanks for the review Erin!
@1patula
@1patula 3 ай бұрын
First of all, man you know your stuff!! It’s a level of knowledge and confidence that I relate to but in a different domain. But when I listen to you I can feel that you like it, and that you think about all this a lot. And that is great, and that is so precious for me as someone who wants professional review! Well done sir!
@DiyMan-g3i
@DiyMan-g3i 3 ай бұрын
How would you compare these to the DBR62.
@teamstevensonGenEric
@teamstevensonGenEric 3 ай бұрын
Have owned these speakers for 3 weeks now and feel they are just starting to get broken in. Very happy with them great starter set to get into the brand motivating to look at ELAC's next level speakers.
@419jeremy
@419jeremy 3 ай бұрын
Wow great review. They way you can show what you’re hearing by implementing the graphics helps explain things so well. Nicely done sir. Subscribed
@fwiler
@fwiler 3 ай бұрын
I bought a pair along with the center. I did do an A1 evo audyssey calibration, which brought them into a very flat response and really enjoying these. Personally, I can't hear a 1-2db difference like you show in your in-room responses. In fact I've never seen any speaker not have 1-2db dips or peaks. I definitely don't hear hallow or loss of detail and that was comparing to Klipsch RP-150, and SVS ultra evolution nano's. Thanks for your review.
@1337sim1
@1337sim1 3 ай бұрын
Great review ! Thank you for providing the EQ as most would set these up with a WiiM amp or another value oriented product 👍
@user-a33kixd2wq41
@user-a33kixd2wq41 3 ай бұрын
wiim amp is really a game changer. Unfortunately, it's still quite expensive in the used market.😂
@1337sim1
@1337sim1 3 ай бұрын
@@user-a33kixd2wq41 it was just on sale in my country. Also, a new "pro" version should come out. I expect sales coming up to liquidate the stock. Hope this helps 🙂
@Karto86
@Karto86 3 ай бұрын
Wiim streamers also have peq :)
@user-a33kixd2wq41
@user-a33kixd2wq41 3 ай бұрын
@@Karto86 Wiim Pro + Steoro Amp (Fosi/Ayima) cost the same as Wiim Amp, but no Arc input and no sub-out. I think Wiim Amp is a better choice.
@DearSX
@DearSX 3 ай бұрын
How can you eq gain setting on wiim amp? I see some eq for speakers say something like -2db gain before eq
@psyphonyxaudio
@psyphonyxaudio 3 ай бұрын
We are all better off for having your analysis in this hobby. Thank you.
@timomy8
@timomy8 3 ай бұрын
Yep as already mentioned extra points for the eq recommendations will help many who may not have the ability to test.
@shipsahoy1793
@shipsahoy1793 3 ай бұрын
👍Heyy, thanks for the review Erin.. It still seems to me that the DBR 62 reference is a better bang for the buck for a few more (bucks). Cheers, y'all ! 😉
@ErinsAudioCorner
@ErinsAudioCorner 3 ай бұрын
I agree.
@pkdude5334
@pkdude5334 3 ай бұрын
I have the dbr62 and it was one of the best purchases I've ever made. After trying the Klipsch rm600 and triangle bro03, I finally tried the dbr62 and couldn't be happier.
@x-techgaming
@x-techgaming 3 ай бұрын
Or DF63! 3 woofers instead of 1, for only +$100!
@25-8
@25-8 2 ай бұрын
I have the RPM600 and I'm debating between the triangles and the Elac DBR62's.. why did you settle on those? ​@@pkdude5334
@serjturischev9557
@serjturischev9557 10 күн бұрын
@@pkdude5334 dont you think that dbr62 sounds like more layed back, dark and dull in comparison of triangle br03 or klipsch 600?
@dereky3095
@dereky3095 3 ай бұрын
To be honest, I have a hard time with Klipsch the Fives with the piercing hurt on my ears. Then I understand I will never enjoy the bright speakers for rest of my life. I switched ELAC Debut 3.0 today and couldn’t be happier. The mid range is so impressive, and my ear doesn’t hurt on the highs. Anyone hesitated if you see this video, I will give you my honest feedback based on my experience. Science matters, your actual hearing matters too.
@crBudgetWatches
@crBudgetWatches 3 ай бұрын
I am upgrading from the Edifier 1280DB to these , still hunting for an amp , can't wait to get them!!!!
@anxiousappliance
@anxiousappliance 19 күн бұрын
I hear you. There's bright and then there is bright. I feel the same way about B&W - like a dentist drill on my molars. But SVS, which is considered "energetic" is fine and entertaining. These boxes are interesting.
@AbsoluteFidelity
@AbsoluteFidelity 3 ай бұрын
Measurements dont look too bad... Its ok for its price range. I can see why some people like it from that on axis and EIR graph, its inoffensive and will in no way sound fatiguing. MD is rather high at a sensitive region though, so it will sound shouty when cranked up.
@bryede
@bryede 3 ай бұрын
13:50 Often you'll get surround resonances off the woofer too which typically looks like a dip followed by a peak in the lower midrange. This happens when the rubber surround starts to flap out of phase with the cone.
@ErinsAudioCorner
@ErinsAudioCorner 3 ай бұрын
Yeah. Usually these are closer to 1kHz on a 6.5” driver (wavelength of effective radius).
@Cringing_Cranium
@Cringing_Cranium 2 ай бұрын
Q350 vs db63?
@jacobsimm9609
@jacobsimm9609 3 ай бұрын
yet another stellar review amen
@corumuk67
@corumuk67 3 ай бұрын
My Dynaudio Emit M10's are 6 inches away from the back wall! Not ideal but the room isn't wide enough for any more. Sometimes practicalities have to outweigh other considerations. They still sound great to me, although I don't play them that loud.
@UnitedRedDevil13
@UnitedRedDevil13 3 ай бұрын
I have rp600m bookshelves for home theater use in 5.1.4 using Dirac. What’s the upgrade route from here ? 😂
@austinobrien6009
@austinobrien6009 2 ай бұрын
Are these good value for a Home Theater Setup?
@stormtrooper9404
@stormtrooper9404 3 ай бұрын
I know a reviewer who is neck deep with Elac and promoting them waayyy too hard... I already know who is cursing now 😂 cheapsomethingsell or similar 😂 Thanks Erin for being objective!
@AndrewB23
@AndrewB23 3 ай бұрын
I used to enjoy his stuff until he got a taste of the high end and even started promoting power cables 😂
@swllz
@swllz 3 ай бұрын
that cheapsomethingsell only provide some entertainment value if some one finds his video has entertainment value for some viewer's.
@4thewinir344
@4thewinir344 3 ай бұрын
He’s the only salesman (I mean reviewer) I’ve actually unsubscribed from due to his blatant profiteering. I enjoyed his early videos as he really sold the ‘ I’m salt of the earth’ schtick. Then out came the Mcintosh gear and sponsored trips to Europe by his supplier friends.
@AbsoluteFidelity
@AbsoluteFidelity 3 ай бұрын
@@stormtrooper9404 Mr SSCS5 himself.
@fonkenful
@fonkenful 3 ай бұрын
@@4thewinir344Some folks have a word for those who so clearly sell their integrity like that.
@trevorbartram5473
@trevorbartram5473 3 ай бұрын
Hi Erin, I purchased the 62 based on your excellent review. At $225/pair they were a bargain. I do not hear sibilance? The 52 has boosted bass & my fear was the 63 would go the same way but no. The 62 & 63 have the same 750Hz resonance. The 62 xover has a notch filter across the midbass driver to tame the resonance. It is only partially successful. Perhaps a peak is better than a dip, considering the shelf that precedes it? Danny's 62 YT video shows stored energy at 750Hz, Danny did not identify the source, midbass driver or cabinet?
@SirWaddlesworth
@SirWaddlesworth 3 ай бұрын
You may have answered this before, but I might have missed it and I'm kind of curious but Why do resonances show up in the impedance graph? I thought impedance was more about how hard the speaker is to drive rather than the sound it produces.
@socksgratecheese
@socksgratecheese 3 ай бұрын
I'm not sure why the comment section has been so down on this speaker. It's an Interesting speaker. The looks are a definite upgrade from the 6.2. Distortion, compression, multitone, and on-axis linearity are good for its class. In room response is good. However, the resonance at 650hz and the directivity at 2 and 5 khz aren't well controlled. This seems like a good contender if your budget is fixed below $500, but Elac, Revel, Wharfdale, and KEF's step-up options are very compelling and imo very much worth the investment.
@ManFromLaBamba
@ManFromLaBamba 3 ай бұрын
The low mid dip is a real problem for many types of music. As are the upper frequency issue. KEF q150 or even q350 can be had for less and don’t have the problems of these and image wonderfully. Or The Polk es series and at this price the Polk r1 seem better performing overall, though with issues, and also image well.
@socksgratecheese
@socksgratecheese 3 ай бұрын
@@ManFromLaBamba the Q150 is discontinued and discounted to ~350/pr and has great directivity but elevated treble and less output capability. The discontinued Q350 retails for 800/pr and can be had new at a discount for ~50 percent more than this speaker. For sure, though, you can compare any speaker to any other speaker.
@AndrewB23
@AndrewB23 3 ай бұрын
​​@@socksgratecheese the q150/350 aren't discontinued they're still available on all audio sites and kef has nothing about it being discontinued on theirs, those are the actual prices they just raise the prices to make it seem like a deal the 90% of the time
@socksgratecheese
@socksgratecheese 3 ай бұрын
@@AndrewB23 The q150/350 have been replaced by the Q1 Meta and Q3 Meta, as you can see yourself on their website.
@omeee
@omeee 3 ай бұрын
it looks like it is just a worse DBR62 at a similar price.
@hgamba46
@hgamba46 3 ай бұрын
Which model sounds better between the ELAC debut 3 or the Elac Uni-Fi 2.0 UB52? thank you
@seanb3303
@seanb3303 3 ай бұрын
In most rooms putting a bookshelf speaker 3 feet from the wall will maximize the SBIR dip…which is above subwoofer crossover and is difficult to treat with bass traps.
@ErinsAudioCorner
@ErinsAudioCorner 3 ай бұрын
Sure. But that’s not my typical audience (I’ve polled them). It’s good to have other options. 👍
@seanb3303
@seanb3303 3 ай бұрын
@@ErinsAudioCorner acousticians can’t really explain why pulling speakers from the front wall creates the illusion of depth. Do you have any theories?
@authenticNL2
@authenticNL2 3 ай бұрын
I'm no acoustician but I'll try. Soundstage depth, firstly, is arguable between listeners' setups. Some people say it's fake, or that it is real. I think it has to with the speakers frequency response/directivity, size of the room, distance of the back wall to listener and speaker, and listener's distance from the speakers. The further the speaker is from the back wall, the more dispersed the sound will be. The "wider" dispersion will make the original sound quieter. Additionally, the greater distance between the speaker and backwall will delay first and second order rear reflections. As we know, early side reflections can ruin soundstage width, so it's safe to assume that soundstage depth will also be affected. The listening position also needs to be away from the rear wall as well to delay reflections. Directivity applies to reflections in order to keep the speaker's soundstage and imaging accurate. Frequency response in my experience may matter. Bloaty bass can mask frequencies used for sound localization. This is why some speakers need to be moved away from boundaries to achieve soundstage depth. But by pulling out the speakers far into the room and removing low-end may help unmask localization cues. I think it's bad speaker design in some cases such as bass is masking sound, tweeter distortion, bad crossover design, or unsmooth frequency response. The information I used here is not 100% objective. It is from my own listening experience. I do suggest listening to speakers nearfield at low volume to decrease the effect of room reflections, and with your eyes closed. I achieved a very odd effect of soundstage width, and a little depth from crappy laptop speakers with EQ to remove the bass bloat. If you have any questions, I'd love to try to answer because I'm bored. Cheers. ​@seanb3303
@seanb3303
@seanb3303 3 ай бұрын
@@authenticNL2 thanks for sharing. Magnepans generate amazing depth perception as dipoles do…so i think we can agree that it’s the loading of the dipole that creates an effect or coloration. If we wall mount the speaker like a high end studio does, recordings that don’t have depth spatial cues will sound flat and that sucks…but my guess is they can still have depth if it’s in the recording…which kind of gets back to the listening to your hi-fi vs listening to a facsimile of a recording debate…and I’m going to say that pulling your speakers 3 feet into the room to add extra depth is a very hi-fi thing to do as is ignoring SBIR consequences 😉
@holbobb6777
@holbobb6777 3 ай бұрын
Hey Erin. I noticed you did speaker eq based upon the on axis response. I think I noticed in the past you did speaker eq based upon the in room response. Can I ask what changed your mind? I'm interested because I do speaker eq on my Revel M106 - and there is a peak around 4.5 - 5k in the on axis response which doesn't show when the in room response is calculated.
@ErinsAudioCorner
@ErinsAudioCorner 3 ай бұрын
The eq suggestions translate to all axes due to the pretty good directivity in those regions (except the 2-3kHz area). The suggestions therefore translate to the EIR. Hope that helps.
@regulartxdude7813
@regulartxdude7813 3 ай бұрын
Loved the review! Are you planning to review any of the higher priced Elac offerings like the Vela VBS404.2 GB that retails for $3,499?
@flagshipdog9299
@flagshipdog9299 3 ай бұрын
Would you consider the Polk XT20 better than these?
@ErinsAudioCorner
@ErinsAudioCorner 3 ай бұрын
Hmmm. I’d need to go back and evaluate but there’s a lot of positives for the Polk, for sure.
@rags015
@rags015 3 ай бұрын
@@ErinsAudioCorner The Elac DB63’s have much better build quality than the Polk XT20. Also the Elacs have magnetic grilles! So a win win all round!
@JoseFerreira-zb7wh
@JoseFerreira-zb7wh 3 ай бұрын
​@@ErinsAudioCornerthat would make for a nice comparison. They both seem very equable.
@ManFromLaBamba
@ManFromLaBamba 3 ай бұрын
Isn’t the Polk es20 or even r1 (often on sale for $400-500) a better comparison?
@DearSX
@DearSX 3 ай бұрын
Loving the EQ info
@romboom2405
@romboom2405 3 ай бұрын
I have just discovered your channel ! Thank you so much for existing, I am really impressed by your test rig and the complete experimental protocole you are running through with each speaker you are testing ! I have also watched your complete playlist about the measurements understandings. Very well done ! I was just wondering you are planning to make one on impulse response (I may have missed it) ? Just to explain how difficult it is to find a trade off between ported and sealed speakers for low bass qualitative response. Again thanks for this work and for making your data and script accessible ! A home-theater enthusiast from France ;)
@tomasmikeska
@tomasmikeska Ай бұрын
excellent review and EQ tips, thank you
@cschwacofer
@cschwacofer 3 ай бұрын
Infinity used the same style/type of tweeter wave guide.
@ErinsAudioCorner
@ErinsAudioCorner 3 ай бұрын
Many have. It’s an interesting one.
@cschwacofer
@cschwacofer 3 ай бұрын
@@ErinsAudioCorner make sure you get this posted to r/budgetaudiophile
@tomschwiehn
@tomschwiehn 3 ай бұрын
Great review! Thank you!
@ErinsAudioCorner
@ErinsAudioCorner 3 ай бұрын
Glad it was helpful!
@gregorymorrill7558
@gregorymorrill7558 3 ай бұрын
These look very good for the retail price and certainly the price will be discounted further for the holiday's. Nice job here. Some flaws but no deal breakers IMHO.
@DiyMan-g3i
@DiyMan-g3i 3 ай бұрын
So after all that testing and interpretation of the results. What did they sound like? I know its in the ears of the beholder and other factors....but did you like them? Would be nice to know.
@JLudwig06
@JLudwig06 Ай бұрын
How close to the wall would you say is the limit? Reason i ask is im shopping for my next speakers. Would be a 5.1.4 system and im searching for atmos and rear surrrounds to match. Front would be towers. My rear surrounds need to basically sit on a shelf against the wall.
@MargaQuarki
@MargaQuarki 3 ай бұрын
Can anyone compare the Elac DB63 with Heco Aurora 300?
@MrWslindsay
@MrWslindsay 3 ай бұрын
I have the Heco 300's. I love them. I have the Elac db53's, the smaller brother of these new Elacs. The 53's are pretty darn good. But the Heco's are another level above IMO. I did have the Heco 200's but returned them. The 200's only reproduced about 70 percent of what the 300's could do. I may try these db63's at some point. That would be a head to head you're looking for but I thought I would throw that out there. At the same time though. I'm keeping the Elac DB53'S. They're good if you like a laid back, refined, Elac budget "house" sound
@Karto86
@Karto86 3 ай бұрын
Heco aurora series measures really well, there are reviews on KZbin with measurements
@crazyprayingmantis5596
@crazyprayingmantis5596 3 ай бұрын
Hecos look way better imo.
@MargaQuarki
@MargaQuarki 3 ай бұрын
@@MrWslindsay Thanks for you feedback, dude! I'm using the Heco 300 Aurora as well - they sound great!
@ManFromLaBamba
@ManFromLaBamba 3 ай бұрын
Great review as always. I can’t understand why anybody would intentionally design a speaker to have 500-1000hz suck out that these have. Lowering response in the 2500-4000hz region is often found, and is often called “British sound” or BBC Sound. A slight boost at 150-350 or so can also compensate for a small speaker’s limits below 100hz (gives an impression of low end fullness and can raise a port response for increased low end from it. But the dip these Elacs have are going to do bad things to many recordings, especially vocals in that range.
@gregorymorrill7558
@gregorymorrill7558 3 ай бұрын
They are going to fill near a wall. Many people will place these very close to the wall so not a bad design IMHO. For folks with more hifi intentions you'll have peq so just do that thing up.
@einekleineente1
@einekleineente1 3 ай бұрын
I dont understand most of the tech details..In summary it is a good speaker for that price?
@yottabyter
@yottabyter 3 ай бұрын
Not speaking for Erin but I think he summed it up pretty good. If you have the ability to eq it's got good bang for the buck. Also don't forget the sub to bring up that low end.
@hartsickdisciple
@hartsickdisciple 3 ай бұрын
Yes
@einekleineente1
@einekleineente1 3 ай бұрын
@@yottabyter thank you
@greenbeginner9221
@greenbeginner9221 3 ай бұрын
You speak of setting up an equalizer at specific frequency points. Where do you get an equalizer these days and how would I hook it up to my integrated amplifier with turntable, CD player and a streamer? I haven't seen an equalizer for sale since the '70s
@ErinsAudioCorner
@ErinsAudioCorner 3 ай бұрын
You can buy something like the miniDSP. Or as I said in the video use something from WiiM’s product line which has built-in EQ options. If you want to go high end with EQ then there is the DEQX brand of products.
@greenbeginner9221
@greenbeginner9221 3 ай бұрын
​@@ErinsAudioCornerIs that how everyone is doing that? Wiim products are popular but I can't imagine that every one of your viewers owns a wiim or the other product you mentioned.
@Mark198d
@Mark198d 3 ай бұрын
@@greenbeginner9221 Many (most?) people are listening to music through streaming (Spotify, Tidal) or music files (FLAC, mp3) and not physical media (CD's, vinyl) anymore. So people have access to EQ through their streamer like the WiiM, through PC music playing software (foobar2000), or the miniDSP products. Schiit Audio sells analog EQ products (Loki, Lokius) similar in function to those from the 70's, but the digital ones are more precise.
@ManFromLaBamba
@ManFromLaBamba 3 ай бұрын
@@greenbeginner9221well another option is to buy speakers you won’t need to eq…or at least not like these need to be. WiiM is just an example. However, I recommend checking out one of the Wiim preamp/streaming devices that has a phono input and phono preamp built in. Of course it also has at least one line level rca input for your cd player and a couple digital ones if your cd player has a digital output. For very little money that little Wiim likely matches and outperforms the preamp section of your integrated. Alternatively, as erin mentioned, if your integrated has preouts between the preamp section and power amp section (usually with jumpers across rca jacks) you can put a minidsp device between them and everything you run through the integrated will have whatever eq or dsp you set it up with. You can even do room measurements etc. Or you could put a minidsp device before the preamp one one input and use a passive signal switcher to switch inputs. Some of the devices can accommodate more than one source and have multiple channels of output. But that’s is a mess of cables! The mini dsp devices will let you eq anything, including turntables and cassette tapes to your hearts content. The analogue signals are first converted into digital, then eq is applied, and then output. I’m sure the idea of converting a turntable signal to digital will be horrifying to some, but these days if done right you will never know and in any case and degradation will be far less than an old analog eq. Old analogue graphic equalizers are obsolete. We are in the golden age of eq, dsp, etc. without ANY signal degradation. Capabilities now goes far beyond basic eq, you can compensate of time delays, many room reflections, etc. Though as erin notes: you cannot eq or dsp away every issue, and some speakers eq well and others do not. Most decent streaming devices have eq , some better than others. If using a computer as a source, with software like roon etc you can eq to your hearts content. Most AVRs have at least some sort of rudimentary manu al equalizer you can use. And any decent one will have now have decent auto measuring dsp protocols (audessy, Dirac, etc) . Not using those with an avr is like trying to drive a car without a suspension.
@tylerrynberg
@tylerrynberg 3 ай бұрын
It's primarily done in software these days, not hardware. Most people use digital sources so it is straightforward to do so. Pro audio world still has analog PEQ boxes.
@aladdinswunderlampe
@aladdinswunderlampe 27 күн бұрын
thank you very much! How do they compare to the Kali LP-UNF?
@maxigabime5308
@maxigabime5308 10 күн бұрын
Great review! I don't know if someone could give me a hint or your thoughts, by prices here in Argentina I could get the polk xt20 at $580 usd, the polk es20 at $720usd and the Wharfedale 12.1 at $620usd. If you scale the speakers, the prices scale too, just to give you and idea, the Polk r200 is $1325usd so scaling in speakers it's not an option haha Sadly buying them and returning them it's not an option here, so what do you think it will be a better choise? Thank you!
@maxigabime5308
@maxigabime5308 10 күн бұрын
Ah yeah, and this Elac goes around $640.
@lisjak82
@lisjak82 Ай бұрын
You really have detailed reviews to make it easier for people to decide, because it's really not possible to test all speakers live before buying. I'm looking for bookshelf speakers for a 3.1 system that will stand near the back wall. Which would sound better, the KEF Q150 or the Elac debut DB53, the price is currently practically the same. Thanks
@ErinsAudioCorner
@ErinsAudioCorner Ай бұрын
I haven’t heard the DB53. So for that reason I’d default to the Q150.
@lisjak82
@lisjak82 Ай бұрын
@@ErinsAudioCorner honest answer 😉Do you recommend any other brand or model in this size and price range that you tested?
@middleearthltd
@middleearthltd 3 ай бұрын
Interesting Not surprised that all the KZbin reviewers said this was punching 10x above its price point 🤔 Thank you for doing all this work and putting out the review You do the community a great service At some point Danny will be asked to do an upgrade As one comment noted, they bought from Crutchfield and did an in home demo and returned
@AndrewB23
@AndrewB23 3 ай бұрын
Snake oil Danny 😂
@middleearthltd
@middleearthltd 3 ай бұрын
@@AndrewB23 Danny/GR Research are fine by me so my opinion is contrary to your opinion I do believe that he will end up with a pair of these speakers for upgrade Because the owner thought they were buying a great speaker and did not, or were not, able to do an in home demo to see if they liked them Some I expect would be just fine owing these speakers and be happy and that is all that matters 10% of Danny’s business is speaker upgrades Snake oil to me is shilling sub-optimal components on KZbin
@CC-xu2yz
@CC-xu2yz 3 ай бұрын
@@middleearthltd You mean like power cables?🤣
@Chris-sj5fh
@Chris-sj5fh Ай бұрын
Looking for a close-to-back-wall, truly on a bookshelf, speaker. Stereo, w an SVS sub. I currently am trying these ELACs and am enjoying them a lot. I do feel like I'm missing some "warmth" so hoping someone has advice on what I might try or like?
@frankmaze1972
@frankmaze1972 3 ай бұрын
What about the ELAC SW1225, which is the most bang for your buck?
@josegallegosdds
@josegallegosdds 2 ай бұрын
Would you buy these over the Wharefeld Lintons 85?
@ErinsAudioCorner
@ErinsAudioCorner 2 ай бұрын
Heck no.
@DanAndreiVladut
@DanAndreiVladut 3 ай бұрын
Erin, I just picked up a pair of the XT20 and have not even unboxed them for $200 new. I have access to a pair of the DB63 for about 400. Is it worth the upgrade? I have a Wiim amp and plan to do some serious room correction.
@angelotero2581
@angelotero2581 3 ай бұрын
In your opinion, is this one better than the Kef q3 metas you recently reviewed?
@AndrewB23
@AndrewB23 3 ай бұрын
I wouldn't think so
@trinityflow
@trinityflow 3 ай бұрын
Nice review! Quick question… Is it possible that the room correction on the WiiM can damage speakers? It seems my Klipsch RP600Ms sound lifeless after running the room correction. Even with room correction off or on.
@LucMaasgreenwolf49
@LucMaasgreenwolf49 Ай бұрын
Great review! Are you also going to review the DB53? I'm really curious how they compare.
@Mjaybird
@Mjaybird 3 ай бұрын
Would you recommend these with the towers for a starter 5.1 system then add onto it?
@asx1248
@asx1248 3 ай бұрын
⁠Hi @ErinsAudioCorner, what software calculates EPDR for you? Do you happen to have the formula? Thanks.
@ErinsAudioCorner
@ErinsAudioCorner 3 ай бұрын
I have a formula in matlab that takes the impedance phase and magnitude and calculate it. I don’t recall where I found the equation offhand, though.
@jamestimmons6022
@jamestimmons6022 3 ай бұрын
What software did you use? i mean the eq software?
@ErinsAudioCorner
@ErinsAudioCorner 3 ай бұрын
What I showed on screen is REW. What I used to make the adjustments is in the WiiM Ultra (or the WiiM Amp).
@jamestimmons6022
@jamestimmons6022 3 ай бұрын
@@ErinsAudioCorner ok i wonder if i can use equalizer apo to do the same?
@CC-xu2yz
@CC-xu2yz 3 ай бұрын
@@jamestimmons6022 Pretty sure you can.
@ManFromLaBamba
@ManFromLaBamba 3 ай бұрын
Did you screw in the speaker feel? Huge difference! Kidding. Sorry.
@nukmuk
@nukmuk 3 ай бұрын
Since you said most people would have these in a living room setting, what do you look for in a speaker for a setup like that? Of course the bass shelf like on the KEF, but other than that, is it just good directivity, flat on-axis response, and low bass extension? Also do you have a list of the best speakers at certain price points? For example based on your reviews, for $400 I would definitely get the Kali LP-6v2 over these ELACs. But then I'm left wondering if there are even better speakers than the LP-6v2's for the same or less money 🤔
@ErinsAudioCorner
@ErinsAudioCorner 3 ай бұрын
Those are what I’d be looking for, yes. 👍 I do have a few different videos at different price points. I believe I did one last fall for under $500. And I’ve had others sprinkled in.
@DominikV235
@DominikV235 2 ай бұрын
You gave more information and did a great work with presenting this amazing speaker then Pfizer ever gave info about the vaccine. Thanks for this you are amazing. I am now tempted to buy
@Billy-rr7re
@Billy-rr7re 2 ай бұрын
these vs debut reference. are the reference really better than these?
@David-tp5rv
@David-tp5rv 3 ай бұрын
Where can I find that shirt? 👀
@NotSure89
@NotSure89 Ай бұрын
DB63 sounded "thin" to me so after listening to a dozen other speakers I went with Polk ES20 instead and to my ear it's perfect AND it's almost half the price of these Elacs. I wonder why no review for ES20 a hidden gem IMO.
@Chris-sj5fh
@Chris-sj5fh Ай бұрын
I'm trying these ELACs now and while I like them I also find them "thin". Not sure I will keep them.
@daniellawdaniel5695
@daniellawdaniel5695 22 күн бұрын
Toe them in and you will hear a difference
@cbayardelle
@cbayardelle 10 күн бұрын
Moving the speakers away or closer to the wall would make changes in the bass & mids that you hear, great reviews
@Time-Travelling-Lesbian
@Time-Travelling-Lesbian 3 ай бұрын
When you say that the sibilance is crossover related what do you mean exactly? And why can't it be resolved by equalization
@ErinsAudioCorner
@ErinsAudioCorner 3 ай бұрын
There’s a directivity mismatch that is “baked in” to the design where the on-axis response differs from the off-axis a good bit in the crossover region. And since you cannot separate on axis from off axis response you cannot EQ them separately. Which means you can’t “EQ away” those kind of issues. Not without sacrificing something else in tonality. This was more prevalent in the previous model. Not this one.
@paspolc
@paspolc 3 ай бұрын
Thank you for the review. However, I didn't quite understand, despite reading all the comments, whether it would be worth switching from Elac Dbr62 to Db63. Opinions are welcome.
@hiroshisama
@hiroshisama 3 ай бұрын
he basically said, if you have money itching to be spend, you might get a minor upgrade, so sure go ahead. If you don't really have extra money it might not be worth it, since its just a minor upgrade
@paspolc
@paspolc 3 ай бұрын
I would be curious to listen to those new db63, but there aren't hifi shops nearby, unfortunately they all closed.
@ziggy8757
@ziggy8757 3 ай бұрын
so these debut 3.0 are not significantly better than the previous debut 6.2? this statement is holding me back to buy this ones...omg
@trevorf2098
@trevorf2098 2 ай бұрын
Would you choose the Kali LP6 over these?
@ErinsAudioCorner
@ErinsAudioCorner 2 ай бұрын
Yeah.
@trevorf2098
@trevorf2098 2 ай бұрын
@ Thanks!
@MechAdv
@MechAdv 3 ай бұрын
So if you have the cash, it looks like it’s still quite a step up to get the DBR62. I wonder if they’re going to refresh the reference model pretty soon as well.
@victorvalenzuela6949
@victorvalenzuela6949 3 ай бұрын
Hello 👋🏼 What about the 3.0 Towers?
@EclipseCircle
@EclipseCircle 2 ай бұрын
How are these for near field? Like on a desktop?
@ErinsAudioCorner
@ErinsAudioCorner 2 ай бұрын
Kind of overkill. Check out the Kali LP-UNF. Review here: kzbin.info/www/bejne/noDOfomYjJyMqtU
@ThomasKahalepuna
@ThomasKahalepuna 3 ай бұрын
Erin, any chance of you getting Ascend Accoustics too Bookshelf speaker any time soon
@lammy884
@lammy884 21 күн бұрын
thanks for the review, can someone out there help me with how the elac behaves in comparison to the triangle br03. thanks
@dangerzone007
@dangerzone007 3 ай бұрын
Any frequency response problems can easily be fixed with a Behringer 31 band EQ. .
@ManFromLaBamba
@ManFromLaBamba 3 ай бұрын
Not true. Depends on what is causing the response problems, as erin noted in the review. You can’t fix problems stemming from directivity for example. Or many crossover issues. And please…there are MUCH better, More precise and flexible and sonically superior ways to apply eq than that berringer. In software or software/hardware. And 31 bands are ok but will never be as good as proper parametric eq.
@dangerzone007
@dangerzone007 3 ай бұрын
@@ManFromLaBamba ok but most frequency response problems can be fixed with EQ
@CC-xu2yz
@CC-xu2yz 3 ай бұрын
@@dangerzone007 Not necessarily.
@Vladetz
@Vladetz 3 ай бұрын
Hi Erin! Do you have plans to review Mission 700 or 770, or maybe new Leak sandwich? All of them are designed by Peter Comeau
@Mjaybird
@Mjaybird Ай бұрын
I am going to use your link to buy the center speaker
@ErinsAudioCorner
@ErinsAudioCorner Ай бұрын
Well, thank you.
@oliviu11119
@oliviu11119 3 ай бұрын
Are the db53's same liniar, does somebody know?
@SuperSnks
@SuperSnks 2 ай бұрын
Hi! I have the Elac Debut Connex (The small active ones). While they sound good, anyone have any idea how Debut 3.0 compares?
@kaplandjk
@kaplandjk 29 күн бұрын
Why doesn't anyone review the ELAC Debut 3.0 DF63-BK Floorstanding Speaker. I see no reviews out there, but you all went crazy on bookshelf version.
@ErinsAudioCorner
@ErinsAudioCorner 28 күн бұрын
You thought I went crazy for this speaker? Are we watching the same review?
@kaplandjk
@kaplandjk 26 күн бұрын
@@ErinsAudioCorner Rewatched video. I think you kind of liked them. But I love your data first review style. Strong work! Hope you do 63 floors.
@tomerikstokness276
@tomerikstokness276 3 ай бұрын
What I see, is a little to mild baffelstep compensation. If you ignore the resonance at 750hz, there is a step below 1khz-isj.. Most likely a "voicing" decision done, because most of the buyers will use this near a wall..
@sertacersin
@sertacersin 3 ай бұрын
Hi Erin,I would be glad if you review Mission Qx5 Mk2.Thank you
@scottbennett3119
@scottbennett3119 Ай бұрын
Very informative review.. Thank you. It would be really cool if you would review the smaller DB53 version to see how it measures and compares in sound quality. Randy, 'The Cheap Audio Man' likes the DB53 better. Have a good one.
@dannyrichie9743
@dannyrichie9743 3 ай бұрын
Hey everybody! That made me laugh! A couple of thoughts on this one and something for you to consider or try.... I'd love to see you add a spectral decay to your measurements. This speaker is a good example of how that will give you some very useful and telling information. That big peak in the response at 650Hz could be a number of things. If it is a resonance then it will show stored energy at that spot and it will show up in the spectral decay as an area that takes longer to settle. Or it could be more of an amplitude peak with little to no ringing. Typically a peak like this will be ringing, but the spectral decay will show how bad it is. It could be ringing a little or a lot. We also sometimes see a dip and peaked area in the 800 to 1,100 region that is actually a reflection or diffraction from the inside edge of the woofer through hole if it was not radiused with a rounded or chamfered edge on the inside. This diffraction will cause issues in the response like that but it will not have the ringing of a resonance. That problem is also solvable with a special round over bit for a router that will round off the inside edge. It would also be interesting to see the spectral decay before and after you apply the EQ to fix it. EQ is basically turning it down in the peaked area. If it is a resonance then it turns the level down a little, but the resonance is still there and there will still be ringing, and still be audible. So it could be a band aid and not a real fix. Also, a bad resonance will often show up in the impedance curve. That will confirm the resonance.
@ErinsAudioCorner
@ErinsAudioCorner 3 ай бұрын
Haha. Glad you got a laugh out of it. Thanks for the recommendations on the other stuff. In the past I’ve taken out drivers to make sure the issue isn’t that (basket resonance, surround resonance, etc). I need to go that more often in cases where we see these high-Q resonances. Take care!
@mustdobetter6748
@mustdobetter6748 Күн бұрын
I’m in the UK; I sit 3ft away from the front wall! 😅
@PossibleAudio
@PossibleAudio 3 ай бұрын
Thanks Erin!!!
@KillerSneak
@KillerSneak 3 ай бұрын
Still have to watch the full video (doing now) but I ordered a pair last week (they didn’t arrive yet) but I have the feeling I should cancel the order.. Will update/comment once I finished watching the video.
@KillerSneak
@KillerSneak 3 ай бұрын
Well I think for me personally I’ll keep them. They still seem like nice speakers for the price point. And I’m sure after running Audyssey and my custom REW script afterwards I can get rid of some of the issues you mentioned.
@williamdirks5805
@williamdirks5805 3 ай бұрын
Could you please consider reviewing the new Dali Rubikore 2 bookshelf speaker? I'd love to see some objective measurements. Thanks
@GeirRssaak
@GeirRssaak 3 ай бұрын
Well spoken!cheap audio man is just cheap! Where is the old cheap audioman?!
@jukingeo
@jukingeo 3 ай бұрын
@Erin. It would be nice if you could take things a step further and take the speaker apart to show how well it is built inside. I know GR Research does this as well as a couple others. I like it because it does help to justify the build quality vs price and to know if I am getting a good deal or I am just being trolled.
@CinnabonMcTasty
@CinnabonMcTasty 3 ай бұрын
This speaker really disappointed me, and the Erin professional test results solidified why. I had bought a pair from Crutch and returned a week later, just something about them.
@MrCommunistGen
@MrCommunistGen 3 ай бұрын
*Interesting* I'm just listening to the intro now, but I was going into the video kinda expecting these to perform "pretty OK".
@Carl-bd1rf
@Carl-bd1rf 3 ай бұрын
Must be the cheesy crossover!!😜
@CinnabonMcTasty
@CinnabonMcTasty 3 ай бұрын
@@Carl-bd1rf Oh boy not Danny, its probably got some real cheesy parts in it ROFL, He wants you to buy his $400 crossover network upgrades for a $300 speaker though.
@Carl-bd1rf
@Carl-bd1rf 3 ай бұрын
@@CinnabonMcTasty Lol, exactly!
@alejandrobusquets6214
@alejandrobusquets6214 3 ай бұрын
@@CinnabonMcTasty With all due respect, it makes sense to me: that way I can enjoy a pair of speakers for $700.00 with $2,000.00 performance...
@NotSure723
@NotSure723 3 ай бұрын
Large radius port flares damp pressure wave tuning. Andrew Jones had it right on the original Debuts.
@maynard5492
@maynard5492 3 ай бұрын
Speaking of Danny. But he would say .... u will need a 300 to 600 dollars for a upgrade I've heard these speakers and yes it Needs something
@AndrewB23
@AndrewB23 3 ай бұрын
Lol yep
@dannyb5874
@dannyb5874 3 ай бұрын
7.2kg Erin :) Simple math, wight in pounds / 2 and then substract another 20%... or weight in pounds and devide by 2.2 :) thanks for the review btw
@flash4973
@flash4973 3 ай бұрын
I would love to see you review the Evoke 30 speakers as it is a speaker i am seriously considering but i have no means to listen to it and even if i could i would still wait till you make a review on it.
@crazyprayingmantis5596
@crazyprayingmantis5596 3 ай бұрын
Get a pair of EPOS instead
@Mikeymikemike
@Mikeymikemike 3 ай бұрын
Erin, you keep menitoning the March audio amplifiers which are Purifi based. I am looking to purchase the new stereo amplifier once it is available. Can you please do a review of these or comment here on how they perform, especially this versus their stereo models or versus other class D or AB amps in the same price range. I know they are also releasing a new stereo model. You could end up putting march Audio (a small western Australian company) that genuinely makes good products at a good price on the map and I am totally here for that!
@gio-garagedambrosio3144
@gio-garagedambrosio3144 3 ай бұрын
Previous serie have front reflex now rear...I dont understand why...mah really misterious 😂
@JF-em6hr
@JF-em6hr Ай бұрын
3 Ft? Really? I don't have that kind of room anywhere in my home. Why can't they just make them front ported?
@Chris-sj5fh
@Chris-sj5fh Ай бұрын
Same here. I'm leaning DBR62 because of the front port.
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