War Arc Sage Mode Naruto vs Pain | The Rematch

[@hobbyhorse5848]

Naruto: And would you like these shadow clones to use frog kata or not?

[@kodoqbesar4301]

You should do a video of "What If Sasori ACTUALLY Went to the Tenchi Bridge". Obviously he would get jumped and Hiruko would be destroyed by Kabuto, but I'd like to see Sasori vs Orochimaru and Kabuto. Orochimaru was sick and nerfed because of the shinigami, and let's assume Sasori is all by himself, no Deidara. Can Sasori pull through?

[@rayndy]

Real

[@spit-fire]

🔥

[@ThunderGodTG]

I’ll deadass cook this fire ass topic I’ll shout you out in the vid

[@hiddenmarco]

Now THAT is a video topic

[@kodoqbesar4301]

@noahblevins9569 This is Tenchi Bridge Orochimaru, so no Edo Tensei

[@dragonknight1560]

Everyone forget, including me, that War Arc Sage Naruto is pretty damn OP. It's scary what if Naruto had this during the Pain Invasion. Almost wonder how well this Naruto would do against End of Five Kage Summit Sasuke (fully healed with no Mangekyou drawback). Not well. Maybe War Arc Sasuke for sure.

[@punanie8262]

Wait r u saying he wouldn’t do well against end of five kage summit sasuke? Or he would? The way u worded it got me confused 😭

[@Black_Guy]

I thought this was a great topic. The appreciation for sage mode is needed. This video shows that Naruto was rivaling Hashirama is his proficiency with sage mode.

[@ExoticZah]

The video we all needed! Thanks TG!

[@emssasukeisunderrated7946]

Good analysis. The mind scape fight is weird cause him standing still allowed him to stay in sage mode but considering what Naruto was capable of doing in the war arc either in BASE or Sage Mode, it's clear that the mind scape fight was something he was capable of doing in real life. With that being said, NO that sage mode Naruto is not even close to Half Kurama's power. Kurama was shocked at Naruto's power on his own but was still not close as Bee and Kushina really helped plus Kurama didn't attempt a bijuudama other than the two times. I think it's fair that early war arc Sage Mode ~ original KCM Naruto albeit I would probably give the edge to KCM Naruto. But that's the thing people forget about these characters. As they get power-ups, their BASE and other modes get stronger too. Like even war arc Base Naruto is capable of doing some Kage level feats. So yeah I completely agree and here's how I'd rank Naruto pre-six paths in the war (including Pain arc) with all forms/modes: 1. KCM2 + Sage Naruto w/ Kurama Avatar 2. KCM2 + Sage Naruto 3. KCM2 Naruto w/ Kurama Avatar (should be the same between mastered and initial, just the link timer is longer) 4. Mastered KCM2 Naruto 5. Mastered KCM (1.5) Naruto 6. Initial KCM2 Naruto 7. Late War Arc Sage Mode 8. KCM Naruto 9 (or t8). Early War Arc Sage Mode Naruto 10. 6 Tails V2 Naruto 11. Pain Arc Sage Naruto ~ Base War Arc w/ Kurama's chakra (Pain Arc slight edge cause of 2 rasenshurikens) 12. Base War Arc Naruto 13. Base Pain Arc Naruto

[@gameuniverse5973]

@@emssasukeisunderrated7946 you did not just say sage mode over kcm Last I check during the Madara fight they asked can he go kcm with Naruto saying he cant basically forcing him to go sage mode the fact kishi moto made them mention kcm for him to enter before sage mode shows narratively kcm is better

[@supersaiyan9949]

I don’t know…Sage mode Naruto could use Odama Rasenshuriken(or even Cho Odama, cause he says that he should make it even bigger), the only time when he did it before is KCM1,5/MKCM, so I would say that Late War arc SM≈MKCM.

[@emssasukeisunderrated7946]

@@gameuniverse5973 This is an early war arc Sage Naruto who is relative but probably still is weaker than KCM Naruto. Naruto does tell Nagato he’s stronger but his sage mode is stronger than Pain arc even by that point in the war

[@emssasukeisunderrated7946]

@@supersaiyan9949 Potentially the only thing is a Mastered KCM Naruto can use mini bijuudama’s which I think is probably a stronger jutsu than even the rasenshuriken. Still they are pretty close I agree

[@Chris-vn7sd]

Time for Six to make Pain vs War Arc Sage Naruto Nah im playing dope vid as always

[@safeandsound712]

Yo another banger from my favorite toad/frog themed avatar KZbinr 😊 good stuff TG

[@andrewdeibel3030]

Such a god tier topic

[@williammoore1050]

U know it’s a good day wen TG post

[@Virhtue]

firee

[@Archer170]

That sage Naruto and sage jiraiya vs kabuto fight look a little more promising now.

[@ΔημητρηςΜαυρικης-η4χ]

Love the video. Next please make how strong could a Sage mode Naruto WITH amphibian technique be ! Or maybe a hypothetical PERFECT sage mode jiraya !

[@hawkboy1792]

Hopefully you read this, but heres an idea i havent seen covered. DMS obito, vs alive madara, edo madara, etc different versions. Which ones could he take, and why. Would looove to see that vid

[@ThunderGodTG]

I could def make a DMS Obito video, thanks for being subbed!

[@Kaldrean]

I wish we got to see full power Nagato. We got a glimpse when Kabuto reanimated him and he absorbed some of killer B to restore his vitality and legs. But it was still Kabuto controlling him and using his abilities in a much poorer manner than the real Nagato would. I think Nagato having all of his abilities and chakra in 1 body makes him more powerful and potent than his 6 paths.

[@1of1MaccSauce]

You think ? There’s no reason to just “THINK “ it’s common sense Tendo itself is directly half of nagatos original chakra so that means nagatos would be twice as strong as Tendo

[@FunNHonesty]

Smart video idea, Thunder

[@ThunderGodTG]

🫡🤝🏻

[@abk.gmt713]

W video 🔥

[@logicalityztm6759]

off topic but yo honestly you should make a video on Obito vs Gojo and how their abilities would interact with each other

[@UberRoot3294]

Fantastic video as always. Personally i divide SM War Arc Naruto into before and after kurama link cuz it's kinda different kind of bread but i think it's not changing the outcome of this matchup anyway

[@ThunderGodTG]

Yeah I kinda took the peak version by the end so I didn’t have to make those distinctions & help explain stuff

[@UberRoot3294]

@ThunderGodTG Understandable, sometimes it's also nice to watch something short, keep doing good, i'm looking forward to power ranking series!

[@ThunderGodTG]

Bro that video might be my magnus opus I’m actually insanely proud of it got to throw in a lot of new scaling + translations into the vid too

[@Nubin2000]

Naruto’s Cho Odama Rasenshuriken or Cho Odama Rasengan Barrage solos all Six Paths of Pain. Also, his Sage Mode is vastly superior by being stronger and longer!

[@sohomporey7846]

Please make video on war arc Kakashi vs 4th raikage

[@Arcadia_warlic]

0:40 Pain might be weaker just by operating in Konoha since he is potentially controlled Pain from a farther distance and has to allocate some amount of chakra/focus to scrambling his chakra signature to prevent detection (it is unclear if he did so in Ame), so his real full power in Ame would be stronger still (though he would not in-character use his full power as to not harm his own village). Also likely that the second Chikushōdō was weaker than the first, so a "fuller" power Pain would also have his problematic summons more difficult to disable. 1:38 Most of those are kana, not kanji. 5:25 The rate at which he enters Sage Mode also determines how long it lasts. Shortly after being bound by Iruka he falls out of Sage Mode, and against Sandaime Raikage later he has to charge for longer to get enough to actually fight him, though I agree his overall rate of "charge" and his total ceiling are both higher than before (noted during the Gokage Kaidan during his brief "training"). If it was as instant as this was suggesting, he would not have needed the alliance to stall him, and he also would have instantly gone into Sage Mode against Madara instead of needing Gaara to buy him some time. 11:29 The bottomless swamp that is Gakidō, alongside Tendō?

[@ThunderGodTG]

Irrelevant to the discussion since the weakened pain is being utilized in P1 and it’s entirely incalculable how much stronger he’d be in the Rain Village being closer although I’d agree he’d be stronger there. Naruto exiting SM was more so due to his focus being thrown off via Iruka rather than it not lasting long as we see in the war his SM has no issues lasting a much longer duration with comparable charge up times. We actually don’t know when Naruto sat down to start gathering nature energy in reference to Madara’s movements only that he was able to activate it shortly after. Entering SM in a conversations time as he does when Minato & Obito are talking further exemplifies the short nature of it. Clones just seem to take much longer to actually go into Sage mode. We know for a fact that they’re not bottomless as Nagato has a limit and didn’t continually absorb Base Bee’s chakra, this is more likely just hyperbole via the Databooks playing into the Rinnegan’s Vague nature & abilities. Madara also noted the Rasenshuriken is “too much energy” causing his palm to steam meaning there are upper limits to the absorption, unless you argue Nagato can fundamentally absorb more than Madara.

[@Arcadia_warlic]

Not sure one needs to retain focus on Sage Mode after the chakra is already balanced. Naruto was not paying attention when he fell unto a bed of spikes, I imagine. Ripping B from Version 2 all the way back to base is potentially more chakra than the entire assault. Base Naruto;s chakra is shown visually compared to Kurama when linking via the clones, and Naruto is a very small fraction. Even multiplying this with Sage Mode, it would still not be equal to it, and Hachibi is closer to that amount than it is to Naruto in terms of volume, especially with Tendō blasting others away. Gakidō Pain did absorb a Rasenshuriken just fine, and it seems very unlikely that a single Rasenshuriken has more energy than B's entire Version 2, so it might be referring to the energy composition in the Rasenshuriken rather than its volume.

[@ThunderGodTG]

Mental states have been shown to have a much more severe effect on fighters compared to physical at times, the way the conversations is presented Naruto is responding to Iruka with his SM turning off unless they just happened to line up during the conversation when Naruto was given bad emotions. This doesn’t detract from the fact it proves Nagato’s absorption reservesi aren’t infinite as he outright stops. I also don’t think the Kurama & Naruto chakra measure visually is that indicative since SM is beyond Naruto’s own Reserves by a pretty substantial amount nor do I think it has much relation of Habichi who’s chakra levels are stagnant yet strength improves. Gakido Pain did absorb a Rasenshuriken fine although it’s more likely a weaker variation from a weaker variant of Naruto thus having less chakra allocated. Idk why it’s inconsistent that Naruto’s Rasenshuriken have more chakra than V2 Bee when it’s demonstrated that it does.

[@Arcadia_warlic]

When he charged his Sage Mode (albeit, as a clone) against Sandaime Raikage it only lasted one attack before fading shortly after, so it could have, in theory. Sage Mode is an amplification of Naruto's own chakra with natural energy. Given the estimate of other senjutsu, probably a dozen or so times over. Still not comparable to Kurama, and likely inferior to Hachibi in terms of raw volume. Chakra is not stagnant, volume also increases alongside strength. Because Version 2 is a significant portion of Hachibi's chakra (Kisame was able to drain even Hachibi to near zero from Version 2) which is more comparable to a portion of Kurama's, whilst one attack from Sage Mode would only be some amount of Sage Mode Naruto who is shown to be small in comparison. Gakidō's ability to absorb chakra might have also been hampered as Nagato was being strained, not that it had any problems even then. Jiraiya has monstrous chakra even in base, then amplifies it with Sage Mode, and joins forces with Fukasaku, who is the strongest toad in Myōbokuzan, stronger than Gamabunta who initially required Naruto to tap into Kurama's chakra or mental amplification to summon, who could keep pace somewhat with a full power Icibi, and Shima, Mother of the Toad Way, and all three of them combining their output of chakra is immediately evaporated, alongside a mountain-carving sphere. Seems dubious that a single Rasenshuriken output more than that/Version 2.

[@johnchris2122]

​@@ThunderGodTG the absorption of chakra from the preta part is limitless. Gakido stands for "insatiable hunger". Great video regardless would have loved war arc sage mode Naruto vs Nagato.

[@taecampus]

Haha..... "I-Ruka" 😂

[@safeandsound712]

Have you ever done a "what if Sasuke actually went to konoha instead of being sent after Bee by obito?" I think Taka and Sasuke probably get folded up pretty badly tbh 😅

[@ThunderGodTG]

Bro getting absolutely bodied my gosh

[@safeandsound712]

@ThunderGodTG obito saved him with that one lol, a better match up would be danzo fight ms Sasuke with taka vs konoha in the same scenario. Bee fight fresh ms Sasuke might unironically get killed by the Kakashi and Choza and choji that fought the deva path during pains invasion lol

[@gameuniverse5973]

@@safeandsound712 wait tho Obito might come there to save him

[@safeandsound712]

@@gameuniverse5973 he'd probably just bail him out and run, i don't see him trying to solo the village lol

[@gameuniverse5973]

@@safeandsound712 I don't know Obito might either throw some cryptic riddler Cheshire cat style stuff then leave with Sasuke or just take over on what Sasuke with taka already accomplished with summoning a bunch of zetsus as back up

[@ontheinside]

Ngl I think pain is wayyyyy above what people say , think he slams easily, especially if he knows what his abilities are for round two. Dope topic idea

[@ladellcalhoun9415]

Where do u think pain is😭

[@1of1MaccSauce]

@@ladellcalhoun9415above EMS sasuke

[@ladellcalhoun9415]

@@1of1MaccSauce that’s debatable

[@1of1MaccSauce]

@@ladellcalhoun9415 it’s not

[@ladellcalhoun9415]

@ how the hell is it not

[@oscarperez5539]

Lol are you using the yugioh soundtrack for this video?

[@dominicwiltz689]

Peak baby

[@demon_legend1]

Can we Get a Video of each Akatsuki pair taking pain's place in invading the leaf and fighting sage naruto?

[@timetraveler5547]

Any possibilities of an "X kage royale" matchup? Where all kage of their respective generations duke it out. So all the first kage fight each each other, all the second fight each other, etc etc.

[@misoooAnime]

common ThunderGod W Great Video

[@CB-di2mi]

Have you've thought about doing naruto what ifs?

[@louise.4748]

Love

[@asa-c1y]

J finished the video, gotta say the editing quality has been gone up from before. You've come along way my GOAT

[@ThunderGodTG]

Ahh my man appreciate it fr 🙏🏻✊🏻

[@Foxes4035]

This vs depends a lot on Intel if Naruto have the knowledge of the Nagato fight he knows how to break the Chibaku Tensei but if is a no Intel battle then he would probably lose to CT

[@ivanbluecool]

War arc Naruto is basically what the fan base thinks jiraya with prep time knowing what each path of pain does before fighting pain would be like. Remember people. Statements aren't the same as feats. Obito said itachi could beat him. Deidara said sasori was stronger than him. Tsunade kakashi etc said Naruto surpassed Minato pre pain. Meanwhile we see something completely different when action occurs. And most importantly. Naruto surpassed jiraya as said by many people in story Mutiple times and still got bodies by a weaker pain who isn't on home turf advantage without the almighty push power needing 9 tails and Minato charge and just barley clutch the win.

[@deathcon6261]

I still think Deidara was weaker than Sasori while your other statements were half true and half not. Tsunade, Kakashi, and them thought Naruto reached or surpassed Minato’s proficiency with the Rasengan never fully surpassing him and Obito more stated Itachi is a big threat to him which is true considering he nearly got his life ended by a prepped Konan.

[@noahblevins9569]

Naruto had surpassed Minato in a few areas, just not speed. Minato had to be given KCM just to be worth having around in the war arc. Even with it, his performance fell short of the hype. That is why people still have grounds to argue Tobirama being more powerful than Minato. Tobirama was more effective in the war for sure. Sasori may have been more powerful than Deidara. Just not in a single attack. That doesnt mean Deidara lied, or was wrong. Sasori was more durable, didnt have to wait on clay to infuse for attacks, and didnt risk harming himself in his attacks. Sasori could also attack from many angles at the same time....and he didnt have to kill you immediately, just wound you one single time. Itachi would likely figure out a way to kill Obito. Obito had good reason to be afraid of him. You also have to remember that war arc obito is not the version that said that.

[@cypherbrittainnethegodofsl4988]

Nah Deidara is definitely weaker than Sasori. If they were to fight, the fight will end with either Sasori winning or a draw via C0. Sasori only needs one hit to end the fight while Deidara has to deal with the iron sand which is stronger than regular sand. C4 isn't an option since Sasori doesn't breathe

[@Christo_Trismegistus]

Stop disrespecting Itachi. Itachi would clap Obito no diff

[@Archer170]

If konan almost defeated obito with prep Itachi obviously can.Kakashi and tsunade were probably talking about rasinshureken being above Minato AP. Naruto certainly wasn’t the caliber of ninja jiraiya was.I always figured a sage jiraiya could beat a sage naruto despite the power difference. Also naruto still had one sage clone left at the mountain.Its pure plot armor how he summoned it tho

[@mattmcguire958]

Glad I got the notification

[@Goldenkhan801]

Next hokage sage mode naruto(without kurama) vs six paths pain

[@ashuprice9719]

😂

[@Goldenkhan801]

@ashuprice9719 what?

[@ashuprice9719]

@@Goldenkhan801 horrible mismatch

[@Goldenkhan801]

@@ashuprice9719 Why?

[@zerox6615]

Didn’t Kakashi snap a rod or is that anime only?

[@ThunderGodTG]

Anime only in the manga he just backs out of the rod

[@zerox6615]

ahh ok thanks.

[@greyfang8694]

@@ThunderGodTG Same with Hinata I assume? Was that was anime only?

[@ThunderGodTG]

Anime only as well

[@gameuniverse5973]

Can you do a video of what if sasuke did kill Naruto in part one and had ms against itachi like his brother told him he should have Would this hypothetical Ms cm2 hebi sasuke genuinely beat sick Itachi

[@sergperez5484]

I personally views late war arc sage naruto as strong as initial biju Naruto He was able to take a hit from and react to base alive madara who’s pretty much as strong as base hashirama, and earlier he was able to do pretty heavy damage to juubito with a basic rasengan, and with a rasenshuriken being able to destroy hashiramas wood dragon that biju Naruto’s avatar struggled to damage

[@saritatiwari439]

Here's a topic for you if you like. What if Naruto and Sasuke exchanged abilities?

[@rodneyford8]

Didn’t kakashi snap one of those blades?

[@alibaba-255]

Puts pain on a shirt

[@jimmyk.s3579]

We did see the 2nd fight with them. Nagato clapped bee and naruto at the same time and he was in a weaker edo state

[@MyNindo2000]

What do you think is gonna happen to Naruto later in TBV? "Hero's Comeback"???

[@djashovel]

Fun question Which Akatsuki Members would make great Sith Lords

[@TheRealShawnSky]

Konan 📄

[@samueljackson3512]

That Yugioh music lol

[@oscarperez5539]

I noticed too in the first part of video lol

[@samueljackson3512]

@@oscarperez5539 All I can hear is REVERSE CARD! OPEN! HOLY BARRIER, MIRRRAA FORRCCCEEEEEEE

[@domsErzzzejshdy]

Naruto was able to sense the ten tails because it was made of pure nature energy he couldnt sense it till he went into sage mode if i recall

[@ThunderGodTG]

Correct Naruto did that since the Ten Tails doesn’t have emotions or feelings, but it doesn’t change the fact that he’s still able to visualize the ten tails movements and act according, it does help explain why Kurama & Co couldn’t react as well. It’s more so relevant in Gyuuki’s & Kurama’s case less for KCM2 Naruto since he couldn’t track the statue’s chakra at all compared to Kurama who can sense the statue.

[@royjones0824]

Naruto in sage mode takes pretty much each stats W ( speed, strength, durability, rasenshuriken is the series most lethal justu, plus he’s a taijustu god) the only issue was the time limit which is why I still say sage mode Naruto is one of the strongest characters in Boruto ( stronger then sasuke to ) sage mode amps their base stats the greater the base the greater the power up

[@Jd-ow4im]

W video, now the obvious move is ichiraku ramen guy vs the Konoha stone face photographer and his assistant

[@ONEPEAKFRFR]

Which anime character would survive the 12 houses from saint seiya

[@supremelore_1533]

From sasuke's perspective, Naruto was a little pipsqueak he could beat with just a sword (Oro hideout) -then he barely saw him lol (going blind) - then suddenly he's this biju level chakra beast contending with the 10tails with some eye makeup BEFORE even using the 9-tails chakra! Can Sasuke even sense nature energy? Sure he knows of it through oro and juugo but he shouldn't understand sage mode right? So its just eye make up lol

[@ThunderGodTG]

He can sense it by the time he has the Rinnegan as he directly notes it when Kurama gathers nature energy for Naruto but, prob not before then.

[@supremelore_1533]

@@ThunderGodTG So Sasuke was unaware of roughly half of Naruto's potential during the war. Kinda poetic

[@ThunderGodTG]

Yeah essentially lmao

[@札克]

Banger

[@e.e-c9d]

Next video: Why Tendō Pain claps all forms of Sakura.

[@Christo_Trismegistus]

If Sakura could punch Kaguya she could definitely punch Tendo and one punch from Sakura would destroy Tendo

[@e.e-c9d]

@Christo_Trismegistus but can she survive bansho Ten'in + black rod pin down?

[@ohhellwhereami2574]

​@@Christo_Trismegistusthat feat is overrated all she did was push kaguya with her thick weighted brain

[@Pain-106]

Like Itachi always win when 1 v 3 or 1 v 2 😂​@@ohhellwhereami2574

[@Pain-106]

End of the war arc Sakura >> Pain

[@MyNindo2000]

"Hero's Comeback"

[@zirotsero6951]

Kinda shocked this vid is saying he’d out perform 6 tails

[@ThunderGodTG]

I mean 6 Tails Naruto is strong but, he’d also just lose to KCM1 Naruto

[@zirotsero6951]

@ personally idt your sage naruto vs Planetary devastation argument works, when you look at the manga, pain’s version already built up a lot of rubble by the time kurama attacked the core. And idt Sage Naruto’s rasenshurikens are provably comparable to Kcm Naruto’s. Idt size matters either since that’s like saying Base Naruto’s odama rasengan is stronger than kcm2’s normal rasengan. Sage Odama may be stronger than Kcm rasenshurken but idk about the full combined attack. You brought up it destroying wood dragons, but they were made by a very fatigued hashirama, weaker characters provably make weaker constructions.

[@ThunderGodTG]

NGL using Nagato as a baseline is more so generous to Pain as his CT should be stronger - similar to Madara’s and how his meteors form faster and larger than Nagato’s, meaning they’d have to have a stronger gravitational pull with a stronger core. All Naruto needs to do is make 3+ Rasenshuriken before the core gets too much rock around, 6 Tails Naruto was operating off instinct and shot at it MUCH later. I don’t think the analogy presented works that well as I’m more saying saying Odama Rasenshuriken > SM Rasenshuriken which are comparable to KCM Rasenshuriken or Naruto’s AP is comparable to KCM as even SM Naruto’s regular rasengan can damage the Third Raikage so they’re clearly not tiers apart.

[@zirotsero6951]

@@ThunderGodTG sage naruto's clone didn't really damage raikage, atleast not that much, while it pushed the arm, the point of the strategy was that raikage was the only one who could damage himself. that's something reiterated even after the fight.

[@ThunderGodTG]

If you actually look at the panel Naruto, Rasengan cracked the arm of the Raikage before it pushed it into the Raikage’s chest, a feat replicated by the Rasenshuriken via Naruto earlier in the fight. The point of the fight was that Naruto needed an attack that would one shot the Raikage as the Rasenshuriken doesn’t & Naruto resorts to the Bijuu bomb after.

[@kodoqbesar4301]

I have a question. Can Hashirama cells heal the user from these types of power/situation? 1. Sasori's poison 2. Deidara's C4 3. Amaterasu 4. Particle Style 5. Truth Seeking Orbs 6. Respira from Bleach 7. The Compulsory from Bleach 8. The Deathdealing from Bleach 9. Hidan's ritual I just want to hear y'all opinions on this

[@mattmcguire958]

1. Yes. 2. No. 3. If you cut off the burning section. 4. No. It negs regeneration. 5. Same with particle style. I don't know much shit about Bleach. Hidan, yes it can heal from that. Highest damage hidan can do is stab his heart and Kabuto healed Sasuke's heart with hashi cells.

[@adylutai10]

No to all of them, they basically negate durability, not really regular damage like what Tsunade is able to heal

[@giannixx]

You mean a person with Hashirama cells like Obito or Madara? 1. I don't think we have evidence to say Zetsu bodies are immune to poison or venom. They aren't immune to the Aburame microscopic bugs, since Obito had to detach his infected arm. I think something like a poison cloud would work unless the person's whole body was made of Hashirama cells. Either way it might not outright kill them because of the healing factor, but I think it would still be effective to some degree, like causing pain and numbing the body, until the effects were healed. Venom would work in a similar way if the Zetsu/Hashirama cells body parts have a circulatory system. Obito doesn't bleed when he cuts off his Zetsu arm, it's just a goo, so without blood to carry the venom throughout the body, it would only work if Sasori managed to scratch a natural part of the body. On the other hand, a lower level of Hashirama cells would still carry blood and thus be susceptible to venom, such as Danzou's right arm. And, unlike Obito and Madara, Danzou didn't show any healing factor. 2. They could heal the damage if the person only inhaled a small amount of bombs, but the point of C4 is exploding all the cells of the body. We see the lizards and birds, as well as Sasuke's illusion, being basically Thanos-snapped by C4, almost as if they were hit by Particle Style. And you can't enhance your insides. So Rinnegan Obito and Revived Madara could in theory die to C4. In reality though Madara would never get caught, and if he did he probably could disarm the explosives by absorbing the chakra inside them. And Obito also wouldn't get caught not only because of his speed and the Sharingan allowing him to see the bombs as a cloud of chakra (and the fact that he was Deidara's partner and he knows how C4 works), but because of Kamui. 3. No, Amaterasu just keeps burning and would outdamage any healing factor. Even Sage Kabuto was afraid of Amaterasu, and even the Ten Tails had to detach the part of its body that was hit by Naruto and Sasuke's Enton combined jutsu. 4. Yesn't? Depends on the amount of Hashirama cells and the amount of damage. If Ohnoki disintegrates Obito's arm, he's not regenerating that anytime soon. But if it only causes minor injuries, then they could heal it. But given how Particle Style usually works when it hits, taking chunks out of a person's body, if not outright fully atomizing them, if they're not an Edo Tensei, Obito and Madara are going to lose limbs and/or die. Only Juubidara showed the ability to heal a third of his body being exploded by Night Guy. I reckon Black Zetsu would also be fine as long as we wasn't fully atomized, and Orochimaru and Sage Kabuto as well. But without those higher regen hax, Hashirama cells never showed the ability to regen limbs mid fight. 5. It's the same situation as with Particle Style. It prevented the Edo Tensei from regenerating because it negated the jutsu itself. Would the damage dealt by the TSOs prevent the person from channeling chakra into the affected body part, or the cells themselves to start multiplying and healing? Idk. You could interpret it either way, since they "negate Ninjutsu". Is the passive healing factor from the Hashirama cells a Ninjutsu? I personally think you could heal it in principle, but then again, you're not healing a lost arm mid fight. 6-8. Idk. I never watched/read Bleach and I don't like crossverse scenarios because it's near impossible to equalize the magic systems without any kind of biased compromise. 9. Yes, in general. Hidan only inflicts damage, so if he pierced his hand and the damage was transferred to Obito's Zetsu hand, I reckon he would be able to heal that kind of wound without much issue. He can only heal minor wounds though. He can't regen limbs and he was going to die after Kakashi pierced his heart had he not become the Jinchuriki of the Juubi. So if Hidan pierces his own heart, for example, Obito dies. Now just for fun I'll apply the same questions to the progenitor of Hashirama cells, the one composed of 100% Hashirama cells, Hashirama himself. Keep in mind that, according to Madara, Hashirama's healing factor was similar to Tsunade's Byakugou/100 Healings, passive regen, though it's unclear if he had that ability in base or only in Sage Mode. Since he can enter SM in seconds, I'll assume he has his full regen Madara was praising during his fight with the 5 Kage. 1. I reckon it would only affect him if he was low on chakra, and only for a short time. He would outheal any damage natural toxins would be able to deal to his body. 2. Hashirama is one I believe would be able to simply regen a lost limb. It doesn't feel right to assume his healing factor was inferior to Tsunade's, so we can use that as a frame of reference. If Hashirama doesn't notice the bombs (which he would if he was in SM), then I believe he would die to C4. He would only realize once his body started to decay from the inside. If he was aware though, he probably could just absorb the chakra in the bombs. Maybe he could focus on healing before the explosions went off, kinda like how Kabuto survived Naruto's Rasengan in Part 1, but we have no way to prove which one would be faster. You have to keep in mind that the bombs would be exploding at the same time across his whole body. 3. I don't think Hashirama would be able to outheal the damage from Amaterasu, but he would counter it in other ways. If you subscribe to the notion that his cells give them the ability to absorb chakra (and also nature energy, explaining Hashirama's Sage Mode being his own, not linked to any animal), then he can just do that the same way Madara did when Sasuke hit him on the back. If you don't think he can, Wood Style could. He can sprout wood out of his body, for example when making Wood Clones, so that's pretty easy. So one way or another, Amaterasu wouldn't work on him. 4-5. Hashirama could regen a lost arm or leg, but he's probably dying if half of his body, or his head, gets erased. But in the case of TSO, if you think they negate passive abilities involving chakra flow and not just Ninjutsu, then maybe Hashirama's healing factor would be turned off in the areas that were hit. I don't think that's the case though. His healing factor would be at the very least as good as Tsunade's Byakugou, and definitely not as good as Juubidara's. 6-8. Idk 9. Hidan can only kill Hashirama if he chops his own head off. Hashirama is going to survive his heart being pierced and any other kind of damage Hidan could transfer to him, as would Tsunade.

[@nwk1626]

respira? when hashirama heals he shortens his life span iirc sooo

[@Kryp6]

Doesn’t Kakashi snap a black rod in half with his hand when he first starts fighting Pain?

[@ThunderGodTG]

Anime only, anime changes the rods to where Kakashi \ Hinata can snap them I.e they’re weaker in the anime

[@arsenewenger4847]

Future Gohan is underrated video when?

[@ThunderGodTG]

Bro’s ass fym underrated?

[@mattmcguire958]

​@@ThunderGodTG😂😂😂😂 why the disrespect? He's ass cause bro couldn't train to get stronger and got dog washed by the androids.

[@ThunderGodTG]

Yes he should have clutched up (he is cold af tho)

[@mattmcguire958]

​​@@ThunderGodTGAndroid victim 😂😂😂😂 Bro, don't forget the hiruko video. Thanks.

[@m4z391]

Unfortunately the truth is that he's butt

[@JayJones-s2q]

what if kakashi went with jiraiya to fight pain the rain village but in the same way he did originally so 1 path then 3 them 5

[@1of1MaccSauce]

You need to go rewatch the show and listen to Pain speak “ Now that I am a GOD I no longer think like man” ect then Jayriah trying to pull the “Your still MY student and I know your every move type shi” and Nagato is just looking like “just shut the f** up “ and presses him and his sage toad with just the animal path and Jariyah tried to pull the the same card again with the “ Nagato your still a rookie “ IT BACKFIRED IMMEDIATELY and just came to thought Jaruiyab TRIED IT A 3rd time and died Nagato was clearly toying with his former sensei and the only reason he even stood a chance in the first place it because he knows Nagato personally

[@glizzypizza]

So pain scales above kcm 1 Naruto?

[@ThunderGodTG]

I personally have KCM1 over but, you gotta keep in mind he can clone himself 13 times so Pain is getting kinda waxed. For reference Dodai thought a clone was more valuable than Gaara or Onoki saving the clone when Madara did Tengai Shinsei.

[@gameuniverse5973]

@@glizzypizza kcm one Naruto is destroying pain w t f

[@She_namedme_DJ]

Naruto getting punched by Pain doesn't mean that he took much damage from it. And if you ask why he would react to the punch the way he did, then I would say physics. If a 12 year-old punched me in the stomach, even I would react to getting hit. Even if he sent Naruto flying with a punch, it doesn't mean he took much damage as Naruto is only about 115 lbs pounds, and he's getting hit with punches that could kill an elephant. Not only that, Naruto, in a partial sage mode transformation, fell off a cliff during training and took zero damage from it.

[@ThunderGodTG]

It’s not measurable how much damage he took from it but, Naruto is reacting to the force of the punch meaning he is affected physically to a degree. It’d just mean Pain can enhance his punch force with bansho tenin to physically affect Naruto. It’s much more consistent to say Pain just knocked the wind out of Naruto or did hurt him to some extent rather than assume he didn’t.

[@CH1C4N0444]

Damn, never been this early to a Thunder Bark vid Pain prolly still wins, but im always looking forward to watch the Content Woof God!

[@Couldnt_think_of_anything]

Love how the thunder bark joke is still alive even though that live stream was like a year ago

[@ThunderGodTG]

I think it’s def possible for pain to pull a W Naruto just has more consistent avenues

[@TRJ42]

Nah Naruto got that W even the second time

[@DS-dw3pz]

Pain would lose but I don't think Nagato would lose cause he can just spam Shinra Tensei

[@manwithoutmercy]

Didn't Kakashi shatter a rod?

[@ThunderGodTG]

Anime only, the Anime downscales the rods crazy to where Hinata can break them. Kakashi only backs out of it in the manga

[@Wasnt-1]

naruto can literally spawn millions of kage bunshin at this point tho pain can threw him here and then but it'll just fatigue the already skinny guy and would eventually lead to naruto's victory

[@username2168]

Well, didn't naruto fight pain while having 3 clones in myuboku ? technically he wasn't even at 100%

[@kakuzugoated873]

Bro Sage Naruto post Bee Training is dogging Pain 😭

[@hass512]

Itachi is upper here

[@andreware2039]

Without watching, I can only say he claps all with no assistance whatsoever. The improvement in his handling of sage mode is no joke from that point in time 😭

[@UnlimitedRadioButNoSoap]

shadow clone spam bodies horrifically but deva can repel them 💡 okay. now what's he doing about the next wave? 😂 and it's implied naruto can tank the rasenshuriken, so all the chaotic almighty push is doing is nerfing pain.

[@ThunderGodTG]

After reviewing that chapter and thinking about it I disagree with him tanking the Rasenshuriken since it would have blown pain far beyond Naruto’s original body.

[@spicyboi544]

Sage mode naruto is always wack regardless of which point it is in. super useful form

[@kamitaku4548]

I don't think it is much of naruto's sage mode getting stronger in the war but naruto using full power of sage mode in the war. Clones split Naruto's chakra and in pain arc naruto use two clones to gather nature energy, So he was at one third the power of sage mode in pain arc. This is kinda consistent as well if you look at thewar. In the war naruto used five rasenshurinkens before running out while in pain arc naruto only use two and ran out.

[@iricotengu3319]

Pain still wins hahaha

[@Freekell6]

Pain a cool character but he is overrated by the actual characters in the show. I don’t think he was that strong fr

[@noahblevins9569]

He was absolutely that strong. He took out the entire village, ran the fade with Sage Naruto multiple times, beat the tailed beast form Naruto, and beat the most powerful ninja toads. He finally lost after Naruto got a refill from Minato, and exhausted that energy too. He ran a gauntlet, laughed about it, and ran it again. In the war arc he was competitive with 3 of the strongest ninja around at the same time. He isnt the strongest in the series obviously, but he deserves the credit he is given.

[@ohhellwhereami2574]

​@@noahblevins9569 competitive? Bro got susanoo'd by itachi 💀 All of those feat aside from his fight with naruto is fodder

[@noahblevins9569]

@@ohhellwhereami2574 The Totsuka blade got him after it took 3 people to counter his move. The Totsuka blade is also haxx that would take out anyone that gets hit by it. That isnt really evidence that Nagato isnt strong.

[@ohhellwhereami2574]

@noahblevins9569 watch the scene again blade was outta smoke from his distance fair bit still couldn't react

[@bigrob8517]

​@ohhellwhereami2574 silly comment, just looking at how a fight ends and basing how strong a character is because of it is very low iq. Pain and nagato are very powerful, we never get to see all the paths fight at once against an enemy without a handicap or massive amounts of intel and prep against them He also wasn't trying to kill naruto in either fight and was under kabuto's control against itachi. Many more things contribute to a fight more than "bro got susanoo'd" 😂