War Thunder [SIM|VR] - Japanese HEF Rounds BROKEN Since Sky Guardians Update

I heard that many other nations HE rounds suffer the same issue, but I can't comment of what I haven't extensively tested. Here are bug reports concerning Japanese HEF and other nations HE rounds as well. If you're also concerned by this, please click on "I have the same issue".
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Gear:
• Thrustmaster Warthog (HOTAS)
• Thrustmaster TPR (Rudder Pedals)
• HP Reverb G2 (VR Headset)
• Honeycomb Bravo Throttle Quadrant (Additional Axis)
PC Specs:
• RTX 2080 Ti
• I9 7940x
• 64 GB DDR4 RAM
Axis Settings:
• Pitch:
- Sensitivity: 100%
- Nonlinearity: 1
- Multiplier: 1
- Dead zone: 0
• Roll:
- Sensitivity: 100%
- Nonlinearity: 1
- Multiplier: 1
- Dead Zone: 0
• Yaw:
- Sensitivity: 100%
- Nonlinearity: 1
- Multiplier: 1
- Dead Zone: 0.05

[@Daniel-CMelinte]

Thanks for the report links!

[@ATC83]

You're welcome! Please support them if you can!

[@2bparistol8]

Is it possible ps5 is different? I know that's not very likely but since the update I could've swore I been nailing people out the sky with the ki 61 premium. The only other explanation would be I got drastically better at leading which I can also see. Learned alot in the last month but the sounds and everything made me feel like my ammo got deadlier idk

[@ATC83]

The Ki-61 hei Tada's is equipped with MG 151 20mm cannons (German guns) which use the powerful Minengeschoss rounds, they are not concerned by this issue. You're lucky haha!

[@2bparistol8]

@ATC83 ok. learning learning thank you sir!

[@reggiekoestoer1511]

@@2bparistol8 and the Ki-61's 50 cals (12.7mm) are pretty awesome too

[@existentiallydead5998]

they broke all 20mms lol jsut fucked like 3/4s of all props in the game good work gaijin

[@ATC83]

Yeah .50 CAL hit harder than 20's and even 30's now... Pretty realistic!

[@lucasr.5863]

Mgff 20mm is terrible too. No damage. (It is the early version; without Mine).

[@ATC83]

Good to know. Yeah apparently most of the 20mm and 30mm HE rounds don't work properly at the moment

[@Alexandros11]

Gaijin seems incapable of breaking the most random things every update - this along with Ar 196 flaps no longer working, some enemy planes constantly looking burnt and VR glitching out if you use DLSS.

[@ATC83]

Oh yeah I noticed the burnt planes too :) I'm always expecting some bugs after a major update but this one takes the cake. Hope they restore HE rounds to what they were soon...

[@reggiekoestoer1511]

I noticed the burnt looking planes too just now

[@BrockRetro]

A lot of the 20mm's have been nerfed it seems. Don't worry, in a future patch they will go back to destroying whole plane.. then the patch after that back to no damage. Thus is the cycle 😆

[@ATC83]

Yeah you're right :) HE rounds have never been this bad since I started playing this game tho...

[@skultew]

Hi! Yeah it is totally broken also if compare with new 20mm shells with new formula. When 12.7 will start use new formula it will be fixed, I am sure

[@ATC83]

Hey hi skultew, long time no see! By new formula you mean the new shell shattering mechanic, right? Anyway I hope it will be fixed soon!

[@skultew]

@@ATC83 Yes, I mean it. And yeah, have not seen long time!

[@TurboOven9000]

the japanese 12.7mm mg's deal more damage than 20mm cannons now :|

[@ATC83]

Indeed... It's really bad :(

[@Avetorro]

Certainly a big difference. I think I may just be able to survive your attacks now! I wonder were they over powered to begin with and they’ve made them correct. I’ve no idea about real life ballistics.

[@ATC83]

Haha! As I understand they introduced a new shell shattering mechanic with this last update and I think they didn't implement it for all the guns as of now. Apparently HE rounds of other nations are affected by this issue too (at the exception of the German Minengeschoss rounds). Do your Hispanos behave like they used to? It's not ultra apparent when firing at a fighter but shooting down a bomber is now very complicated (at least with Japanese 20mm and 30mm HEF-T)

[@focka.]

Yep, gaijin implemented a new shell shattering mechanic that resuming... made most HE useless, they had their fragmentation reduced by a massive amount (20-80%). It's a nerf to all 20mm cannons (exception of MG.151's that did not have it implemented) and a few 30mms. (Ho-155 & Type 5 30mm had a noticeable nerf) Hispanos, Ho-5, Type 99 Mk 1 and Type 99 Mk 2's were the most affected by that imo.

[@ATC83]

@@focka. I guess people are more or less affected depending of what belts they use. Personally I use exclusively the tracer belts (only HEF-T rounds) for my Japanese 20's and 30's so the difference is huge, it's really bad...

[@Avetorro]

@@ATC83 I’ve been flying the mk21 beau fighter that has 4 x 20mm and 4 x 12.7mm. Its hard to say as that shreds anything most of the time. Had a quick fly in a spit and MB5 and seemed to kill things with a quick burst as it has done. So i cant see any difference in British hispanos.

[@ATC83]

​@@Avetorro Ok, well not sure how I feel about that, part of me is happy for you, but on the other hand you were hard enough to kill as it was so... xD

[@derpilot8810]

Gaijin just saw how good ur aim was and decidet to nurf them

[@ATC83]

Hahaha! I hope not :)

[@Avetorro]

Yep this is true, its to give the rest of us a chance 😅

[@ATC83]

@@Avetorro xD

[@combichristevilnice6581]

Yeah it's total trash right know, I noticed this when I was flying on j2m2 and n1k1. I was wondering why the hell I only giving crits when I was certain that target i shoot would be dead....

[@ATC83]

Yeah right? That A-26 in the video (and many others since the update) should have been obliterated in one or 2 passes but instead I spent like 600 rounds on it. Granted only a fraction of those rounds were on target, but still...

[@alexanderk5522]

*なに?!*