Warhammer 40k EPIC - The Best game Games Workshop Abandoned...

Check out the innovative TERRAGON TILES! (spon): terragons.com/... - get your own with the code "tabletoptime" and get 10% off an already discounted price for the preorder!
❤️ JOIN the MINI CLUB (Patreon)! / tabletoptimeminis
🖌️ PRINT/PAINT our MINIS: www.itstableto...
👕 Get TTT Merch: www.itstableto...
TTT DISCORD: / discord
Twitter @TabletopTime
Reddit: / tabletoptime

[@Wulferic1]

I would love to see GW bring it back, especially with some of the newer factions - Necrons, Tau... would love to see them in Epic scale!

[@garfieldwithissuez]

You don't need them to bring it back you can get the rules online it's already out out just 3-D prints some models and cut games workshop completely out of the hobby.

[@TFZ.]

@@garfieldwithissuez Ooh... That... Is a very good idea! Thanks!!! :D

[@RickardLejonhjarta]

they are, its all but confirmed at this point Massive rumors from the inside

[@RickardLejonhjarta]

@@wolfie54321 well yeah it takes a long time to plan and produce

[@baalreginon1]

with the release of titanicus, aeronautica imperialis with the same scale, I think we'll have a new version of epic in the future

[@mrbeast85]

I used to play this when it was branded as 'Space Marine'. Yes it was one the best games. It was possible to field huge armies and play games that captured the vast sweep of an epic (pun intended) 40K battle. The rules were relatively simple, fast play rules that allowed the game top flow quickly and logically. A real shame that GW got rid of it.

[@shaggybaggums]

That closely followed by titan legions was the main game I played after years of just painting and the occasional bit of Space Hulk. I ended up with almost the entire Ultramarines chaper with the company colours on the rim of the shoulder pads. I had to paint so many damn toilet seat insignias.... I also had a couple of imperator titans, and a bunch of warlords, reavers, and warhounds painted up as Imperial hunters, inspired by images from the original Adeptus Titanicus photos. Then GW ruined it, especially with the godawful warlord titan models they came up with. I didn't dislike some of the imperial guard and eldar stuff though, and the longer bases as opposed to the square ones could be handy in buildings, I'll give them that. My gaming kinda petered out after that, the painting lasting a bit longer. Many happy times, even the arguments about whether if someone's units are far enough apart to avoid the barrage marker.

[@captainboyband8442]

...plus the box art for Space Marine is still one of the absolute best paintings of Space Marines in battle. ...still have my set. i should make my friends play it with me next time they come over.

[@Grom_the_Paunch]

Space Marine is the game I played when I started wargaming. Such a shame it's gone.

[@snazzy1995]

I’ve always wanted to get into warhammer (played lord of the rings and some war machine) but man if this was the scale I would jump in. I just don’t have the space for wargamming anymore but this with those terragon tiles you can rip full wars on the kitchen table

[@chestersleezer8821]

Yes but when they did kill it off it was around 20%-25% of their overall sales but this meant that gamers like me were moving away from normal 40K to focus on EPIC 40K. I have a lot of EPIC 40K; Eldar, Space Marine, Squats and Orks.

[@MrAuggiedoggy313]

YES Dave should do more Epic 40k retro minis so he can quench his Epic nostalgia

[@criticalbros6514]

I love how the sponsor just upgraded the tiles from heroquest lol

[@samuelgowers1035]

That space marine lander looks just like any UEF transport from the 2007-8 supreme commander. The way it carries its tank payload externally is so rugged and cool.

[@moffxanatos6376]

Thought the very same thing when I first played Supreme Commander, reminded me of the Space Marine Lander.

[@clocksmcgee123]

I definitely recommend getting a game of 4th ed Epic Armageddon in. Netepic Armageddon has been keeping it alive. It's kind of ridiculous how much it blows 40k out of the water with game play.

[@sergefabrizio]

I loved Epic Armageddon, can't it didn't get a mention in this vid, as although it re-used a lot of the original Epic minis, all of the Space Marine and IG tanks got upgrades to reflect the current designs.

[@js463]

lets not forget that there was a epic scale game after "epic 40K" , Epic Armageddon, witch still has a community behind it with updates to the rules and tournaments

[@jamesmaybrick2001]

Epic Armageddon was utter perfection. Not just the perfect wargame BUT the perfect representation of fluff into crunch. Things worked like they should, forget the nonsense that is 28mm 40k. If you want/ed to see the books play out on the table then you go Epic Armageddon. True story (one i like to repeat at every oportunity), i had a detachment of terminators with a landraider or two get into rough ground in the middle of the battle field (sitting on the objective) and then proceed to hold out against an entire ork army. And pretty much beat it off. All while my Warlord titan and my enemies Mega Gargant dueled it out at long range. Goddam EPIC (pun intended).

[@uaputte]

Yes but is not as good as Epic 40k!

[@TheFifthHorseman_]

I was involved with the EA community, a long time ago when it started out. Wonder if some of my old pixel art proxy sheets are still around

[@jamesmaybrick2001]

@@uaputte Maybe. I played it. I have no memories of it whatsoever. I do remember EA. So there is that.

[@commanderstorm8874]

What models does it use?

[@your1friendlyvillain]

I’m so early you haven’t even started cutting models to make them into gaming tables

[@Shadowquacker]

This makes me feel old; I remember it being called Space Marine and still think of the five-in-a-row configuration for infantry bases as the “new” layout!

[@Puschit1]

I've seen the five in a row for the first time now and think it's stupid^^ I mean, unless rules have changed, infantry units don't have an orientation, so you would like the base to be either a square or circle. They can't fall over, are easier to grab, easier to put in formation and I also think they are better suited for close combat.

[@Shadowquacker]

@@Puschit1 The classic infantry bases were square, arranged like the dots on the 5 side of a D6; they still had a fixed orientation and it did make units easier to move, but it was much harder to paint when based and the rear units were obscured by the forward ones, so the five-in-a-row configuration is sensible :)

[@Puschit1]

@@Shadowquacker I know, I still have them. And of course you paint them before glueing them to the base. The minitures may have a fixed orientation, but what I meant is that the unit itself doesn't have an orientation ruleswise. Tanks have for firing arcs and rear armor modifiert but infantry doesn't, which is why a square or circle is the logical choice. A straight line does suggest an orientation and it actually matters how you place them because they may or may not occupy space for other units depending on if you place them horizontally or vertically, it might also mess with LOS. All of which I think the square bases were better. Also, remembering back, I think there are a few models that might not fit next to each other in a row. The X pattern assures maximum space for all models in all directions.

[@mwnciboo]

Hahahaha True

[@garywhitehouse9682]

@@Shadowquacker I painted mine on the sprue then transferred them to the square bases.

[@khublaklonk4480]

I used to have so much fun with my squat trikes playing Space Marine / Adeptus Tiganicus. Eggshells armed with hammers, and short hammers at that, but terrifying when the survivors opened up with their twin meltas. That squat box was something I don't think you'd see today. It was a little army in a box, designed to genuinely provide you with what you needed, great for a skint teen like me. All I had to add was some artillery and a couple of titans. Happy days.

[@jeffwertman184]

This actually was my introduction to Warhammer 40k. I played and created an army of Tyranids (finding the rules was a challenge), using what we knew as the 5th edition Codex. I also got to use the Bio-Titans. Our group had a Space Marine player, one with custom Tau miniatures, a few Eldar players, two Imperial Guard factions. I had to move away, but still keep the Tyranid miniatures. Some of them are custom, but a small set are as close to the original as I could find.

[@yellheahtris]

oh lord, these take mini to a completely different level! And you managed to write legible text on them! I'd be curious to take a look at the older catalog and just older models in general! I'm incredibly new to everything, so seeing where it all started sounds like a lot of fun!

[@TomasQuinones]

The 1989 Space Marine was GREAT. The infantry bases were square and the troops were in sort of X formation like you would find 5 on a D6. Between my friends and I, I think we had fielded all available by 1996 or so. We stuck all sorts of stuff on Rhinos to make Whirlwind tanks, Predators, and Vindicators. So many arguments about rules and if psykers could use their powers from inside tanks. The squad stands also had a hole in them to stick a flag along with some stickers of each of the chapters. So many late nights and missed homework assignments so I could get my armies ready for the next big battle. One of the last huge battles we held included over 1,000 units....Marines, Orks, Squats, Titans, Eldar, Imperial Guard. The Tyranids, Necron, and Tau didn't even exist yet.

[@mightyblowstudio]

Pretty pumped to see the return of Epic via Legionies Imperialis! 😃

[@SeraphimKnight]

I've seen people play regular games of 40k with epic scale models and I found that an amazing solution for portability and being able to play games basically anywhere since you don't need a massive surface.

[@AvoidTheCadaver]

I still have 10s of thousands of pts of Eldar, marines and orks from the predecessor and epic 40k. Watching waves of bombers and fighter escorts flying in to paste the field was always terrifying. But seeing an eldad vampire raider land disgorging exarchs and an avatar into close combat was the height of fear. Edit: As an old timer that played the original Epic (space marine and titan legions), one of the peeves about Epic40k was that the game stripped out all the uniqueness of each miniature. In SM/TL, every model had its own capabilities (for example, vehicles suffered -ve armour save modifiers if hit from the rear or side, artillery could fire indirectly if a friendly unit could see the target but suffered from scatter, eldar grav tanks could hide behind cover and use their grav engines to do pop up fire attacks, making them vulnerable to counter attack) In Epic40K, all of that uniqueness was stripped away. Units deployed in detachments which got a "firepower" rating, or an Anti tank special attack, and combat revolved around counting up your firepower and consulting a table for the number of dice to roll. AT attacks were done separately. In effect, your combat detachments were about the size of large 40K armies and an entire 40K round of combat was settled in 1 dice roll. The firepower system was later adapted into Battlefleet gothic where it worked a lot better.

[@stephenhumphreys9149]

Yeah - Space Marine (the second edition box) was what got me into GW. And the crazy thing was it was hugely popular - it was the main game played at my local GW, I went to a Games Day and it was probably the most popular game for people there too - I even saw a news article about GW and they used Epic as the splash photo. And the new edition's miniatures looked amazing, I was really excited. But like you say, they just killed it stone dead. Some of the ideas were actually really god - anti-infantry and anti-tank firepower was something the base game definitely needed as infantry was kind of crap for most armies, and they did need to improve close combat, but making you have to stop and use a table to work out what your shooting did, or making your detachments all have to move as a big blob just ruined it in most people's eyes.

[@AvoidTheCadaver]

@@stephenhumphreys9149 Some of the other things were definitely in need of a revamp. Like being able to strip a titan's void shields with space marine devastator fire. But like you said the wholesale move to detachment movement totally removed any sort of tactical significance and uniquness of the units. I mean, who moves an entire artillery division in one go *in formation*. The problem with base infantry was that they were little more than WW1 style meat shields. You sent them in waves to assault a position held by other base infantry and then once you took the position massed enemy counterfire just hosed them down giving away huge amounts of VPs. Terminators were cool though. I sent in death wing company to assault an objective supported by a chaplain and a apothecary. The added CC bonus and extra saving throw saved the day. Makes me want to look into Net Epic Armageddon and resurrect my armies

[@Calixtus]

@@stephenhumphreys9149 Yo, are you the Stephen Humphreys from Ireland? We know each other online before you blocked me. Dude, don't do that, all I asked is if you knew where your Northwest Warriors online forum is, I need it for a book I am writing. Do help me get the website address, thanks!

[@WargameCulture]

The original version was far superior

[@simongunkel7457]

Epic:Armageddon, which actually is Epic at its best is definitely worth a go. Each unit feels unique, each army feels completely different to play and play against, you have a much better sense of where the strategic errors you made lead you to lose or which errors your opponent made that allowed you to win than with pretty much any GW game and I'd argue that makes it the best game not just by GW, but a contender for the bast tabletop wargame ever. E40k sort of scared away most SM/TL players and EA being a fanatic thing and never receiving much love (according to what Jervis told me at a GD, GW couldn't justify the cost of plastics for most armies and the few options for new minis out there are generally 3rd party). There is Net:epic, which is pretty much TL/SM, but if you haven't played EA, definitely give it a go first.

[@pistol0grip0pump]

I love watching these old school kits being built and painted, I remember loving just looking at the Epic sets, the concept of having so many tanks, land raiders and such was just awesome to 9 year old me :)

[@colinnelson4080]

3:50 I love that one Space Marine’s expression, it looks like he’s afraid of what he’s shooting at!

[@EpochDarkleaf]

That or the obvious Scarface tracing!! 😆

[@carlotemplo5281]

@@EpochDarkleaf Yep! I love this era where they would blatantly have art that was obviously copied from stills of movies or actors.

[@hamsterminator]

As a kid I used to carry a few space marine epic tanks purely as toys, as being single boxy plastic items they were actually pretty durable. I still think back fondly to an old land raider I used to carry about on holiday.

[@marcbennett9232]

the original space marine was the first war game i ever purchased. i was way too young, set it aside a couple years, started playing around 12 and never looked backed. enjoyed it greatly.

[@tartoflan]

Wait for GW to bring it back in a new, overpriced version with a brand new set of confusing rules, requiring lots of useless gadgets in order to play it, and then forgetting about it in three months tops.

[@IsaacEsquivel-Pilloud]

Aged like fine wine

[@Edsshed]

My first delve into GW was epic. Got the game box for Christmas one year after mentioning the game in front of my mother. Ended up with all my cousins and family ily playing. I had one of them old tin biscuit containers full of khorne troops, my brother had irks and my cousin had marines. Best years of my life, we used to play whenever we could. Just used the floor. It was great. I hope they relaunch it cause if they do, I'm in lol

[@SteefPip]

I was lucky enough to see a few games of this played back in the 90s, was a really interesting game, fun to watch. I miss old Necromunda........

[@beefy256]

Very cool video. I've only been into 40k for about 8 months and into tabletop games for 6 years or so. Seeing models from the history of GW, especially at this insanely tiny scale, is really cool.

[@kulrigalestout]

I remember Warmaster, the Fantasy version. Never played it because nobody else could think of anything but 40K, but I had a blast painting my tiny Tomb Kings. They may look intimidating to paint properly, but they're surprisingly easy and satisfying.

[@philcarrington830]

Interest in Warmaster has grown massively over the last couple of years, fuelled to a large extent by a huge range of superb 3D printed figures and updated rules. Well worth checking out.

[@williammurteyjr.5073]

Warmaster was is very fondly remembered and I played it to huge extent over any other 6 mm game at that time. Little bit of trivia, warmaster is the basis for the rule set for flames of war.

[@MoltenPlastic]

I was looking for this! Warmaster is even less remembered

[@FowaDeLuz]

Do a deep dive on the catalogue! Man, so many nostalgic childhood memories of browsing through games companies catalogs like GW, Wargames West, and others. I'd love to see those again!!

[@soundsurgen3293]

I remember this game when it was called White Dwarf and I love the old magazine art works and the old school cut out buildings for use with the Warhammer & 40k version!!!!

[@stevenwayne3791]

Great stuff! Would love to see more EPIC content!

[@mtvjacknife816]

Yes that would be very Fun! Would love to see a battle report of this game!

[@sirbobulous]

My preference is for the edition after Epic 40k. Epic Armageddon! Still has an active competitive scene in the UK, EU and Australia.

[@CloakingDonkey]

the idea of one box having to contain everything you need for a given unit is pretty new in GW terms. A lot of boxes from this time just featured an arbitrary amount of models. Like most 4th and 5th edition cavalry boxes for WHFB contained 4 models. It wasn't weird that you needed more of these battle group boxes and ended up with spares.

[@timothysmith160]

Aye good times, back to 1993 for me, still got boxes of the minis, huge battles lasting days and getting stoned.

[@Fierrum]

Everyone here is making those HUGE models and dioramas, but there so much fun when the tiny models come into play.

[@cabellism]

@4:08: Space Marine Scarface is saying to a Tyranid"Say hello to my Little Friend!!!"

[@GoblinGreen2021]

Love this vid! I used to play epic and seeing the printed models make it look like a playable game again. Lovely looking army!

[@davidcashin1894]

I would also LOVE to see Warmaster, both Fantasy and Historical come back. The rules are fine I need MINIs

[@Grzybasek]

This was an awesome video! Dunno why, as I never played 40k, but it took me back and made me feel like I was 10 again.

[@PhotoReactionVideos]

Fantastic episode! Thank you for all your efforts in putting this together. Space Marine (Epic) is still very dear to my heart even though I sadly sold off by my armies in 1998 ☹️ Blood Bowl and Epic are my all time favorite GW games, without question! If they brought back Epic I would preorder it straight away!

[@nighthawkog8629]

I was lucky to find a bag of these models believed to be from the space marine box set which I only have some vehicles from both army’s and about 4-5 metal super mini figures but in total there was a wide rage of miniatures from this time of Warhammer and being someone who wasn’t born until 97 this stuff always interests me, it’s annoying that it got dropped but I’m glad to have found some of these minis and been able to go through the time warp of looking into them and identifying their origin 🙌🏻

[@overjoyedleaf]

on the comment of a Thunderhawk dropship for 40k, they used to make one called the Thunderhawk Transporter, Long OOP from forgeworld but certainly was an amazing kit.

[@chrisstokoe3169]

Dude am in the UK and this was my first step into gw what a trip

[@ClarissaMeyer]

6mm scale, so tiny! Dare I even call them cute? Nice teaser there in the background. Jen's look was gold. If you find more of these I would love seeing them being painted

[@jasonwelch5990]

I do love how well this aged, "I would play this if they remade it in the horus heresy setting". Your wish is GW's command, lol.

[@Matt-tb5un]

Epic is how I got into GW back in the early 90's. Fond memories of my Dad and I visiting the GW store in Cambridge and checking out the latest releases. Would be incredible if the game was brought back. Thanks for taking a trip down memory lane!

[@shanefrancis34]

3rd edition was easily my favourite due to the simplicity of the rules. The support for this game by the community is amazing, I have some great printed Dreadnaughts and Thunderbolts, if GW brought it back god knows how much they would charge. Astounding paint job and a great video.

[@timmknott233]

I would love to see more like this. But i just keep coming back to the idea of building a modern list using epic scale minis and 3d prints for the unavailable newer stuff and playing like that, it makes transporting your army easy and a game could be played on a coffee table or something like that. Anyway, rant over. Thank you for the pleasant video

[@matthiuskoenig3378]

And you could use the 28mm armagedon rules on 6mm minis too

[@CrusaderSports250]

Always thought it would be interesting to play epic with 28mm rules, huge armies sweeping across the battlefield, 20 or 30 thousand points or more, it would have been glorious!, a war master directing the overview whilst playing battle fleet Gothic and four or five generals following his lead but having to react to the gameplay as it ran, all played over a weekend, I would use simultaneous move to remove some of the first move benefit or give away, have played that in 28mm and it makes for some interesting game play☺.

[@blacktemplarbrotherlucius1935]

I'd like Battlefleet gothic to be bought back as it could be great for epic narrative play, like in the middle of battle space marines board a ork ship to destroy some weapon batteries, you pause the fleet battle you move over to warhammer 40k 9th edition

[@Tom_Quixote]

Or Space Hulk

[@wedidntstartthefire1]

It is fun. We occasionally play old Gothic sort of tweaked with house rules

[@Pengi_SMILES]

Man O War was my favourite of the discontinued games (well...apart from Fantasy Battle maybe...) but Epic was a brilliant game- I was a big 2nd edition player (Space Marine mostly as well as some Titan Legions later). I've had a long held plan to use the 40k Apocalypse box they brought out a few years ago and is basically Epic Armageddon (Epic 4th Edition) just with 6mm figures. All the army lists are free too!

[@Andy-ub3ub]

The space marine picture art is inspired by the scareface picture of al patino. Havnt seen thet in agez . Nice memories.

[@TigerStyleFanMIZ]

I live for Jen's cameos! 😂

[@lordravenblade]

I've still got that Space Marine box mostly unpunched somewhere. Some of the terrain has fallen out of the sheets just because of age and gravity.

[@Digitalfiendscom]

I've always loved small scale wargames and dioramas ... there is just something about them that's quaint but also forces you to fill in the details with your imagination. I also love the fact that you can have sprawling boards to battle on or go with a small set-piece that fits on a coffee table but still feels epic. Now, with 4K and 8K resin printers, you can get some insanely detailed "epic" scale minis and terrain. With so many great games out there now, unless you live in an estate home, space can become an issue at 28-32mm scales (especially factoring in terrain). Epic scale is just awesome - a whole army practically fits in a moderately sized bits-box. :)

[@printedjester4284]

Pretty common back in the day that GW had odd amounts of units in a box for epic.... Meant you had to buy 2 or 3 boxes to make full units.

[@randomfist797]

Had a squat army. That big land train, huge cannons. Great stuff.

[@djdoug242]

You've confused the editions here; in Epic 40,000 (3rd ed 1997) the detachments were pretty freeform and you could certainly include a single whirlwind with some infantry (re: 2 minute mark). The detachments in this edition were designed to give you the 'feel' of an entire 40k army with the ability to mix and match what you deemed appropriate.

[@zephroc9697]

Exactly

[@triangulan]

I actually think that was one of the problems with Epic 40,000. The army lists were so open that it was a little hard for new players to know "What should I be including in a detachment?" Sure, you could probably work it out with experience, but for someone without experience it just wasn't clear where to start.

[@chestersleezer8821]

It was GW's design to make it so you could not build certain units so that you would be forced to buy additional box sets.

[@triangulan]

@@chestersleezer8821 eh? OK, I don't know the unit compositions for 2nd edition, but in Epic 40,000 the units you made were incredibly free-form and you could likely make a bunch of formations with all the stuff in the box sets, and when they did Epic: Armageddon the units were generally released in packs that matched unit sizes.

[@zephroc9697]

@@triangulan Yeah Epic 40K was super free form. The other thing to remember though was that the single sprue battle force boxes in Epic40K were just re-packaged versions of the Epic 2nd ed ones. You used to get 5 sprues to a box back then, so if the number didn't add up quite right per base I wouldn't be surprised. Not exactly by design mind.

[@jfridy]

Epic 3rd edition was an amazing set of wargaming rules, it stripped away a lot of the extra fluff and focus on letting you fight large battles. Among my friends, the Warhammer players other than me HATED it, while my Wargamer friends LOVED it, praising its speed and need for real tactics.

[@CellHeart]

It's been said that it was the edition Jervis Johnson and Andy Chambers liked the best as it most rewarded tactical play and was the least reliant on dice rolls for success of any of GW's games

[@xenophon1999]

I still love the fact that I could buy 6 plastic Warlord Titans back in the day with all weapon options for £10. Space Marine or "Epic" was certainly a great system for large scale games, something missing at the moment on the tabletop.

[@matthewrawls1184]

4:08 "Say hello to my little bolter!"

[@rokassan]

I’ve still got most of the 2nd edition books and a bunch of miniatures…chaos, Tyranid, Orks, Eldar. 2nd was great.

[@archwombat9250]

I had the first edition of Space Marine, first game I bought after getting the first edition of Hero Quest for Christmas. I loved it, but the Land Raiders were so overpowered that when I got an Ork army they didn’t stand a chance against my Brothers 30 Land Raiders.

[@8bitbonsai]

13:35 forgeworld was selling a 40k scale thunderhawk transporter back in i guess 2005, could carry an landrider or two rhinos

[@Michael-zv8nc]

reminded me of when forgeworld did epic tau and grey knights and they looked awesome

[@ScooterinAB]

I missed playing Epic (it was one of the only games that was out when I started playing that we didn't get into) and always regretted it. It's something I always wanted to go back and try, but it's pretty hard to get into. The rules from edition to edition are so wildly different that I've been really confused about how to build an actual army. I remember things like Command Squad bases being a thing, but in the most recent release we were looking into (Armageddon), they were completely absent and the sizes for armies was turned way down. The things I think about and saw with Epic came from that older version and the Epic: Space Marine era, which took some time to piece together.

[@simongunkel7457]

You still get stands that act as leaders, commanders and supreme commanders (als USRs in the rulebook and mostly taken as upgrades in the Army lists, unless they are part of the unit by default, as in IG).

[@AndorianBlues]

iirc I used a converted Epic scale Great Gargant as an Ork dreadnought way back in early 3rd edition 40K. The idea was the Mekboyz got the scale on the blueprints messed up.

[@zeog303]

2nd edition Epic is where it's at! I remember being excited as hell as a kid and somehow managing to buy the big box.... I was so disappointed my local game shop let me return it. Actually during the shutdown did a bunch of painting and organizing..... Even though I'm in Chicago not like I know anyone who plays : )

[@kudosbudo]

You know if you wanna play somethign sort of similar now theres Battletech Alpha Strike with its additional vehicle and infantry units. Hell you could use some of the old models for the infantry and Elemental battle suits.

[@generaldissapointment1191]

Something I've always wondered about is how this game sold in relation to Battletech, since I get the feeling it was designed to compete with it. Sadly, even though I lived through this era I genuinely have no idea how well Battletech was doing in the 90s, but I remember it being pretty big in my hobby store. It wouldn't surprise me to learn that '97 was a good year for FASA so Games Workshop chose to stop competing with them and consolidate their stranglehold over the 28mm sci-fi market. Pure speculation on my part though.

[@AvoidTheCadaver]

back in those days, GW would release stand along systems along side their flag ship warhammer 40k and warhamemr fantasy games. So you had things like Talisman, Space fleet, space hulk, adeptus titanicus (original), space marine/titan legions, epic 40k, blood bowl, necromunda, inquisitor, etc etc. None of these side games were meant to last for more than a handful of years as they took development time away from their mainline games. Epic lasted longer than most if you combine SM/TL and Epic40k as they were both 8mm scale

[@yolandria]

@@AvoidTheCadaver 6mm was the scale. If you want to call it that. With the bigger models being closer to 3mm as they got bigger. 8mm is not a scale.

[@jonbauml225]

Epic is the game that introduced me to 40k. I'll watch anything epic related

[@awesomlawson]

David's painting just keeps getting better and better

[@RavenShinyThings]

1997 epic 40k with shapnel articles is a je best playing gw game ever made. Try it with full armies and you will have alot of fun

[@ZzaphodD]

Great video! I played Chaos, Tyranids and a bit of Squats..

[@Wolfways]

I had massive epic armies of every faction, and the most memorable game I ever had was using epic miniatures and 40K rules.

[@behemothnemoth]

When you were talking about the history, i was so distracted by that can that looks like bender

[@Harry-cj3yu]

I love that as I write this comment, GW is in fact releasing a heresy era epic game. Love that you've called it

[@dekai7992]

Here, I have to disagree: 🧐 Obviously, Battlefleet Gothic is the best discontinued GW game. For its time, it is exceptionally well designed, and its mechanics perfectly convey the theme of massive sailing ships in space exchanging devastating broadsides. Also, it pretty much single-handedly defined how spaceships of all the major factions in the 40k universe look and work. But Epic is certainly up there, too. Great video!

[@AzraelThanatos]

While they stopped working on things at 97, they still produced the models under their specialist games stuff there along with a LOT of their other short term games. I liked the games under Specialist Games and Warhammer Historicals more than their main games for a while...especially Legends of the Old West

[@ryosukekaneshiro]

Dude that terragon sponsor is the best sponsored ad ive ever seen. legit looks so useful; ive been looking for something like that for my battletech games! #notsopnsored

[@dennistravels4430]

It's so cool to see the older sets being put together

[@wakcedout]

Doubt id play epic, but would be fun to paint up an entire regiment. Even if just to put it on a shelf or in a case and display it. Like an entire legion, would be eaiser to put together in epic scale and display.

[@BluntedBaboon]

Loved the content here! Do more epic 40K! Of course I wanna see Tau, Imperial and Squats!!

[@Dano6sic69]

Used to own SPACE MARINE when I was a kid. Awesome game. They need to bring this and BLOOD BOWL back.

[@boneshaman8912]

The epic miniatures worked well with Battletech. We used the Rhinos for APCs.

[@CatDribble]

You can still buy some through the catalogue I believe

[@notThatguy_883]

Oh jeez those guys are so tiny, I can't imagine the most likely painstaking process of applying the little details with paint

[@AvoidTheCadaver]

It's hours upon hours of work. I used to field orks and naturally they needed to be chaotically painted. One stand of 5 infantry took up to 40min to 15yr old me. These days, with spray primers and contrast/speed paints I could probably smash out an entire clan of several dozen stands in the same time

[@jimofthenorth8090]

Tell me about it. I once converted a bunch of Harlequins at this scale. Probably the most difficult model making I did in my time tt gaming.

[@ococerello]

It all depended on how you painted them. If not painting them like they were wh40k miniatures, painting two dozen tanks on a good level on some hours wasn't that hard, even back then.

[@johnscarr70]

I have a couple of factions which are a mix of 2/3mm and 6mm for walkers and heavy armour from GZG. it's a coat of spray paint and a wash and after basing, I'm done. The models look good. Most reservations about the scale are based on people trying to add unnecessary levels of detail making the end result cartoonish. It's worth the time and effort to get the feel of a real battle. I had SM in the early 1990s and I painted them with brushes and acrylics. What was I thinking?

[@TitusCastiglione1503]

Given how Warhammer Fantasy and 40,000 settings excel at presenting events on a massive scale, I’m surprised Epic hasn’t been brought back. 10mm in the historical market has a reasonably decent sized following, I think.

[@Artificercyrus]

I need some of those tiles for battletech

[@1985slipstream]

I had the metal dreadnoughts and attack bikes from epic 40k. Still have my epic 40k imperial guard leman russ x3 a demolisher a hellhound and 3x chimera

[@elysianfieldstarot]

Wow, that took me right back to all day campaigns against my brother, my Bad Moonz against his Blood Angels. Literally epic battles, swinging from despair to elation as the battle swung in each other’s favour. Classic game

[@dittmar104]

I really like the lander but crazy how just that getting shot down would cost you a whole army in 40K points

[@badwitchproject]

Just a note; Epic Space Marine 2nd edition was released in 1991.

[@richardwalther883]

Make a video series of you scratch building a "Space Marine Lander" as a 40k scale terrain piece.

[@TimeLord675]

Apparently, we're getting Epic back at some point. So, that's something to look forward to.

[@thomassloan5211]

Forgeworld use to have a thunderhawk lander that could hold 1 landraider or 2 rhino chassis

[@Zen17h]

Use those Space Marine models in a 32mm scale 40k game for the real Ultrasmurfs experience

[@MrBounce66]

I still have my Epic armies. Got them when i was 13, im now 46. me and my son still use them.

[@marasmusine]

I have had epic tyranids, imperial guard, space marines, orks for 20 years and I've never played a game :/ Would love to, blast marker mechanic is cool.

[@MickeyMulligan]

Its on the way. Andy from specist games has tongue and cheek hinted at ut several times

[@chriswills418]

I would love to see n hear more I see lots of amazing models on mito but haven't really looked into them until this video

[@matejparak1637]

I love 40k epic, pls more!!!

[@unblessedcoffee1457]

I feel like Epic gave people the chance to experience armoured engagements, use artillery and so on, whereas now, people just can't try that without spending huge money on vehicles that are very large.

[@Puschit1]

Which is probably why the didn't support this format much. Too affordable. When I started playing these kinds of games I could buy a full unit of 20-24 models (regular size) for about 40 DM which is about 20€ and adjusted to inflation about 40€ again. Blood Bowl miniatures were about 25DM for a full team and 16DM for a blister pack of 4 star players. And we are talking METAL miniatures! At some point they started selling out, becoming greedy, watering games down, releasing new editions that did changes for the changes sake and the miniature prices EXPLODED. Now I payed twice as much for half the numbers and all of them were PLASTIC. But for some reasons that I still don't understand GW-players were so brainwashed that they refused to play with anything but the official model. Even in friendly games (I can undertstand to a certain degree if it is about tournaments).

[@bigpappalimey5873]

I got so hooked on this game ! I played the very first version.

[@ectogambit]

my epic eldar had square bases fitting 5 models back in the day.