Warhammer The Old World Launch Boxes Revealed and NEW Tomb Kings!

[@markshrubb]

Can't wait for tomb Kings missed out on them in the original game

[@hobbywaffle]

Same here, I only had a few TK minis, but just to paint, never played a game with them. Can’t wait

[@markshrubb]

@hobbywaffle I went with skaven then regretted it as tomb king models are awesome

[@hobbywaffle]

@@markshrubb Some of the Skaven is really nice though, I’m still annoyed I missed the Island of Blood starter set

[@markshrubb]

@hobbywaffle Island of blood is what I started with still have some of it had a original abomination aswell gonna redo a skaven army for old world aswell as the 9 armies are available from the start so will just swap bases

[@volcano3493]

Khemri player here. The new box includes in regards to troops only skeletons on foot and mounted versions. However a Khemri army is only working when using your elite choices wisely supported by lesser troops from the box. So everyone hoping to have great battles against the Brets using only the minis provided by both box sets will have a rude awakening.

[@hobbywaffle]

Good to know - I’m hoping those Khopesh we saw in the weapon previews will be part of a new elite unit we’ve not seen before like Tomb guard maybe?

[@volcano3493]

​@@hobbywaffle The knights in the Bret box are one of the most hard-hitting units in the entire WHFB model range. I just feel pity for anybody relegated to play against them with only the Khemri box minis. The devs should have put some special units for Khemri there as well. Alas new Khemri players will feel cheated and probably abandon their army from the getgo damning this entire faction for a second time as it is very hard to play right.

[@OhDearBabajan]

This was the only game that could've brought me back to Games Workshop.

[@hobbywaffle]

And will you be getting into the Old World?

[@OhDearBabajan]

@@hobbywaffle probably, yeah. Don’t know what army to build though. Curious if dwarfs will be what they used to be or if they’re better this time around (mix between version 6 and 8). I never played fantasy unfortunately, but always wanted to.

[@hobbywaffle]

@@OhDearBabajan There’s a sneak preview of the next army at Warhammer World this weekend, and I’m going. I’ll take plenty of pics and do a video on it 👍 Hope it is Dwarfs after the pic of the new dice

[@OhDearBabajan]

@@hobbywaffle thank you! I think the old world is such a great game. It reminds me more of a backgammon board than AoS does, where you have to be a bit more careful how you position units, what spells you buy and units you deploy, and how you use your squares. I think it’s def a more strategic game than AoS and even 40k. Looking forward to more content! Thank you

[@bobdole8830]

I have seen some listings, allegedly the Khemri are 230€ MSRP and the Bretonians 206€

[@hobbywaffle]

Yes the prices are now published on the GW trade section of the website, they are about what I expected, and some of the individual kits are actually ok, seeing as it’s 20 per box (Tomb Guard etc)

[@bobdole8830]

@@hobbywaffle Yeah, a massive price increase to 8 Edition was inevitable. The unit boxes are roughly priced as you would expect, but I must say, I'm pleasantly surprised about the starter box pricing, if you brake it down to single unit prices you get them at prices I paid in 6th edition XD

[@hobbywaffle]

@@bobdole8830 Agreed, not as bad I was expecting and I’ve put my name down for a Tomb Kings starter at my LGS

[@mojoturner5292]

Any word on the box prices?

[@hobbywaffle]

Based on the Leviathan price, I’m guessing £150 rrp with a third party discount price of around £120. There’s a similar amount of minis (72 in Leviathan compared to 76 in the Bretonnia box) and the big rulebook is roughly the same size. Considering the vast amount of minis in both boxes are old kits, I can’t see them charging more than Leviathan - if anything it should be slightly cheaper but I doubt it.

[@The_Horned_Rat]

Really excited for the game. I know a lot of people are hyped about been able to pick up the old models again but they're not for me, I'm currently 3D printing a TK army. I Will be picking up the books and new scultps though.

[@hobbywaffle]

Nice! Can’t wait to see what you do with that Bone dragon

[@Mr_Waffle.]

I'm not really interested in TOW but that Tomb Kings box does look really cool regardless.... the dragon especially is awesome

[@hobbywaffle]

Agreed I really like the bone dragon.

[@SIMONK479]

Didnt GW say they will eventually release new minitures for these armies ? Eg updated knights and archers ?

[@SIMONK479]

Don't want to buy a box of old stuff when tell will update them in a year and the minitures looking dated

[@hobbywaffle]

They did, there’s new stuff coming for each faction apparently, although I’m not sure if that will include core troops like men at arms, or skeleton warriors, at least not straight away

[@OgreOnSprue]

I'm waiting for the Ogre pdf

[@NickCroll]

I was hoping to get a small starter of both armies to be able to play games against my kids, but I'm concerned about price since both boxes come with the core rules. Kinda wish they also had a head to head launch box like 40k

[@hobbywaffle]

You could always get the separate rulebook release, and they will no doubt release the kits individually too, so maybe just a couple of each and do some skirmish games?

[@NickCroll]

Good thinking. Seems like a more economical way to get a taste of the rules

[@CaptinCrofty]

Sell the book it will go quick

[@EngineerJeff]

I'm inclined to pick up the Bretonnians. Tomb Kings look decent though.

[@hobbywaffle]

I think the Bretonnians will be extremely popular 🙂

[@judgecohen1373]

Looks super as usual. I’m not nor do I want to be a Hobby “whale” mindlessly purchasing the next big thing. I want Legions Imperialis to succeed. I bought into it but it is not only untenable, it is irresponsible to just keep buying new systems that I will never have time to engage in or paint to the detriment of those that exist currently. These sales tactics have priced this game beyond my ability to keep up. Using the same methods as presented in Horus Heresy 2.0 is good for their short term profits but they won’t be able to maintain consistent support without a massive expansion of operations and hiring. I love 8th edition but will pass on this one. As they say “I will not be missed.” until everyone like me also closes their wallets. Good video as usual.

[@hobbywaffle]

Thanks for the compliment, and I totally get where you are coming from. I dived into Horus Heresy 2.0 only to realise I couldn’t keep up with the amount of minis I’d have to paint and field to be able to have a decent sized game, so I abandoned a ‘legion force’ and now just pick and choose the odd nice thing to paint for the shelf, so I can concentrate on Legions Imperialis - i I feel like this is something I can cope with from a time and painting perspective, as KZbin also takes up time I don’t have, plus I just love Epic. I really hope LI does well, and hopefully they will keep the support going for the game.

[@derricksmith8354]

Damn. My top two favorite factions. My poor wallet and storage space!

[@hobbywaffle]

Yeah I’m the same. I’m genuinely thinking of selling my Horus Heresy Big Black books to fund this

[@derricksmith8354]

​@@hobbywaffle That's a tough choice! is there a formal release date mentioned on when these will come out? Give me time to save my pennies lol

[@hobbywaffle]

@@derricksmith8354 I’m hearing late Jan pre-order on a two week window, which takes us into Feb, either the 20th or 27th Jan and I’m leaning on 27th for the pre-orders to go live

[@michaeltunnicliffe4935]

I always like the Warhammer fantasy game as a kid but could never afford to do 40K and fantasy. And then it all disappeared and AOS just didn't do it for me. At least not until more recently when I have since picked up some Nighthaunts and the new Lizardmen look incredible. But whilst I am tempted by these boxes, I am VERY concerned about prices. We've just seen the Battle for Macragge box announcement where they are charging £90 for a boxset originally released for less than half of that (and without the rules.) And that pisses me off so much. Especially when the 40k starter box is £65 and gives you more/ better models. It is disgusting to see such a horrific price hike. I mean, even at current inflation costs, the Macragge set should be £69. Not £90 minus the rulebook. That's 125% rise and again, minus the rule book. So if the thieving b******s are willing to hike the price of macragge by 125%, what will they do for this? I mean 8 years ago, they deemed this entire game as defunct. They saw no worth in selling it anymore. And now they are bringing it back, they want to rerelease these old models they saw no worth in 8 years ago but are inevitably going to charge an 125% increase for them. I'm jumping a gun here. Maybe they will charge the original price. But I highly doubt it. And maybe not the same increase as Macragge, but I wouldn't be surprised. End of the day, I'd love to buy each of these boxes. I hold a lot of nostalgia to them, even though i never played the game when it was around. But this is an expensive hobby. I've already spread out to play 40k, MESBG, AOS, HH, Epic and Killteam. I do not want to start another game system unless it's worth it financially. And I do not see playing a defunct 8 year old game as worth it if they want to charge 2024 prices for 2015 and older models.

[@hobbywaffle]

Yeah the Macragge price set was insulting, especially as it’s just the (old) minis and the terrain and doesn’t include the rules or other bits, and you don’t even get the same box, it’s just in a generic Direct only box! Not cool at all GW. I’d say you’ve chosen well with Nighthaunt and Lizardmen, they are both stunning ranges especially the Seraphon, and if the Legacy PDF’s are coming just after launch like they say, you could actually try the Old World with those free lists for Lizardmen and just the rulebook. I’m really hoping they will price the core boxes sensibly and not charge stupid amounts, I’m not going to pay silly money for old Tomb Kings, even with that Bone Dragon.

[@liveanotheranime3526]

That’s a lot of peasants. 😅

[@buffybot635]

A lot of outdated minis. I had been expecting more new minis to be honest. TK really look outdated, while Bretonnian kind of holding up.

[@hobbywaffle]

Yeah the Bretonnian kits have definitely aged better - I was kind of hoping for new skeleton chariots or skeleton warriors but sadly not

[@Bomberman-um6qu]

The Tomb Kings models look absolutely awful. They really needed to update the sculpts.

[@hobbywaffle]

Depending on how well it does, I’m sure we might see new sculpts for troop units eventually

[@McBurnside6380]

GW has a proven track record of ruining rulesets by ignoring the flaws of previous editions, adding underdeveloped new rules and neglecting proper playtesting. Horus Heresy is the perfect example of a game that has serious flaws and playability issues. I'm very worried this game will be over priced and unplayable.

[@hobbywaffle]

It’s certainly possible, although I’m hoping they’ve done a good job with this one. The price might be scary though

[@cristhianmlr]

LET THEM COOK

[@thegreywanderer8427]

I kept my Fantasy Battle armies and moved into Kings of War with them. It's a much more playable, better written game. I might buy one of these Old World Starters and play Kings of War with them if the Old World rules are the usual crap GW likes to shovel around.

[@McBurnside6380]

@@thegreywanderer8427 there's a handful of guys that play 9th age around here. They prefer it to Kings of War. Anyway, that's another option for better rules.