Warhammer the OLD WORLD - WHATS CHANGED SINCE 8th - Essential rules you need to know!

[@jacawandersmok9043]

1:05:33 detachments 1:06:40 mercenaries 1:08:15 allies i quite intresin in Allies rules

[@JosephAlanMeador]

Hey Russ, this is quite helpful, thanks! Excited to see Fantasy back in full swing so to speak. My reference point is 6th edition, and my old dwarf army was built when it was still the current ruleset. I'm taking notes. Cheers!

[@FarseerB1rdy]

Not heard you this excited for many many months/years about anything. It's absolutely lovely to hear you like this mate.

[@Knoffles]

Cannons were also one of the most misplayed items in 8th as you had to be able to see the spot on the ground you were initially aiming at, so even putting a monster behind a large formation of troops could mitigate a cannon hitting them. Do the cannon rules still work that way and thus will the changes to line of sight in TOW make this defence an even more viable option vs cannons?

[@idiotproofdalek]

Yes!! I didn’t think anyone else knew this! It was played ‘ten from the back’ regardless of whether the cannon could see the spot.

[@idiotproofdalek]

I believe they still work the same way, so you need to see the point. Also cannons are less strength and ap I think, plus do potentially fewer wounds at D3+1

[@dustc]

Amazing summary, as someone who only ever played 8th edition this was incredibly helpful. Thank you! I hadn't clocked the change to stone thrower targeting, that's big. Between that, the overall increase in base sizes and the new "risks being hit" rule (pg95) I think stonethrowers are significantly worse off. You may have skipped it because it's not a hugely important detail but one thing I think a lot of people might miss is that close order gives a static +1 combat res. It's mentioned only briefly and for some reason isn't explicitly listed in the table of things that give combat res points. Thanks again for the amazing content, looking forward to more!

[@FaceHammer]

Thanks for that - I just did a show on weapons and the bolt thrower now seems legit! Thats a great spot on the Combat Res I missed that - Thanks for letting me know

[@andrewbakescakes9684]

Simple, honest praise and discussion. Very nicely done.

[@FaceHammer]

thanks so much!

[@MiniatureRealms]

Really enjoyed all these review videos Russ, thank you for taking the time to do them. Really insightful, looking forward to the next ones.

[@FaceHammer]

Glad you like them!

[@johndethman3563]

New to your channel. This looks like a great game, better than I even hoped. I honestly can't believe it. I am so happy, my high elves and orcs and gobos will march once more. I am off to the basement to free them. Shame about Vampire Counts and the other legacy but such is life.

[@FaceHammer]

yeah the more I read and look at it the more excited I am, I had no idea I missed the old world so much and how excited I would get!

[@saiharris]

Great Video Russ. You've convinced me to get my Orcs back out

[@FaceHammer]

Glad to hear it! thats exactly what i want to hear!

[@saiharris]

@@FaceHammer One question I have without having read the book. The front rank all fights right, dead ones dont. So... Are we going to see lines of 100 x 1 troops? Who needs a rank bonus if you have 100 attacks? Im obviously missing something.

[@Knoffles]

Really good video. I thought I’d clarify the railroading (and also to see if TOW will have addressed this in the changes). It was normally only really used vs random movers (such as steam tanks and hellpits) as they had to pivot, then move. Placing the unit at the side prevented the pivot so they could only move forward. If the random movement rules have changed, then that’s a bonus.

[@FaceHammer]

Yes that's exactly right! i totally forgot that detail - Random move distance works differently now - there is no initial Pivot - you roll the distance and move like any other unit basically. The TOW allows you to break the 1" rule to move as long as you end up away at the end of the move so its hard to block movement this way now

[@Knoffles]

Brilliant, thanks for clarifying.

[@TheWalkinDude]

Thank you for taking the time to make this! Consider me subscribed :)

[@FaceHammer]

Thanks for the sub!

[@AoSCoach]

Great video Russ. Appreciate the granular detail

[@Teugeus]

Thank you for the insight, appreciate the thorough analysis and comparing with the previous editions. Looking forward to future TOW content.

[@FaceHammer]

Thanks for watching!

[@veekleek7535]

Great summary thanks so much. You just reminded me how much I hated not having affordable artillery or repeater bolt thrower options as a chaos player (there is a hell cannon of course but that's usually really expensive)

[@FaceHammer]

thanks! yeah not having war machines/ways to shoot was a pain

[@tanewoodley9806]

Great run down, thanks for posting, will have to watch some more 🙂

[@FaceHammer]

Thanks for watching!

[@sebs2157]

So you can only march in march formation? Can skirmishers march? Also how do bound spells work?

[@FaceHammer]

Bound spells I cover in my magic video - march formation just gives you a triple move - can march normally. Skirmishers can March as normal

[@tommasomedici6650]

how does character on chariot profile works? Im looking at the tomb kings "book" and the dragon specify that it combines stats but the chariot mount still has its own T and W

[@FaceHammer]

its described in some detail in the rules but essentially use either chariot or characters toughness whichever is highest, the wound value of the chariot is added to the character and attacks are made with each individual bit - So for example a Tomb King on chariot T5 with 7 wounds. Armour saves is whatever element has the best save and attacks always against the highest WS

[@julienlesage-c6m]

Thanks a lot for the content! Really appreciated the work

[@FaceHammer]

thanks m8

[@GilthosDrakoniss]

Nice Job! Could you let me know what Impetuous does? if you see this. Is it exactly the same? thanks!

[@FaceHammer]

Basically roll a D6 on a 4+ you have to charge

[@BadSquiddoGames]

I took a shot every time Russ said elegant and now I am dead.

[@FaceHammer]

surely you can drink more than 4 shots ;)

[@BadSquiddoGames]

@@FaceHammer not any more 😭😭

[@nicolasperel8026]

Awesome work !!

[@FaceHammer]

Thank you! Cheers!

[@chihammerfantasybattles8588]

how many people catch the MJF song at the end?

[@FaceHammer]

a few :) Its a royalty free song - which is why he probably used it before he made it big. Currently a bit bummed out by his injury and lack of MJF. best wrestler in the biz atm imo

[@chihammerfantasybattles8588]

@@FaceHammer I agree MJF keeps me watching. I'm hoping AEW eventually gets better stories/booking soon. Cheers

[@hughallen8027]

Thanks Russ, good to see you! (Hugh)

[@angerworm]

We’re back, baby!

[@FaceHammer]

you know it!

[@angerworm]

@@FaceHammer Loving the coverage! Looking forward to more!

[@idiotproofdalek]

As a Kings of War player, these new movement rules appeal to me

[@FaceHammer]

yeah they are great imo

[@CatharsisChaser]

Could you clarify on how armor saves stack for which mounts? Is it just normal cavalry barding or do monstrous mounts also add their bonuses? Also how do wizards and armor work? I think they can't wear it normally but If they gain the option through another option like high elf honours do they get to where it? Trying to do some theory crafting and any additional info would help :)

[@FaceHammer]

Basically there used to be a +1 for mounted (thats gone) but barding gives +1 - so basically mounted with light armour is a 6+ mounted with light armour and barding is 5+. Wizards cannot wear armour unless they have a special rule or suit of armour (like chaos armour or Ithmilar armour) etc

[@hristonikolov1249]

Looking forward to playing this against people I haven't seen in 10 years :D

[@FaceHammer]

I almost name dropped you when talking about warbeasts not counting as min 3 units - that watchtower masters during the end times!

[@hristonikolov1249]

@@FaceHammer Haha, no spoilers, from the looks of it I have an almost full day of Russ Radio ahead

[@FaceHammer]

@@hristonikolov1249 oh yeah loads of videos today and more to come

[@ClydeMillerWynant]

The charging stuff is interesting and I think sounds good. They played it wrong in the Warhammer TV game though if you have to declare all charges and then all reactions. A unit was put at a disadvantage having declared 'stand and shoot' only to be charged by a second unit that it would have been better off shooting at but couldn't because it had to shoot at the first unit (the general which it was never going to hurt). The way you described the rule sounds better to me. Saw a game of 8th Ed recently where a war machine was charged a longer way round than necessary in order to be able to overrun into the next war machine etc and I like the sound of that not being allowed as it also felt 'wrong' though was obviously within the rules and I imagine was common practice.

[@FaceHammer]

Yeah I used to do that a lot which my warrior chariots - needed to do it to "catch" some things - I think its a lot better now. At yeah they did play that incorrect then

[@ClydeMillerWynant]

@@FaceHammer How to protect war machines was something I'd been thinking about a bit as I'd noticed in a few games I'd watched it seemed to be something of a given that they would get a few turns of firing and then get eaten up by something. I'm looking to get back into the game after a very long absence and play Dwarfs so it's obviously of interest to me and it was a very clear example of how difficult it was to protect them well. I imagine it still will be to some extent, but changing that will help.

[@adamsboringvids]

Do spears give bonuses to cav?

[@FaceHammer]

there are different types - so Cavalry spears etc. thrusting spears are for infantry

[@Magyarkhan]

Well explained. Well done

[@FaceHammer]

Glad it was helpful!

[@Magyarkhan]

@@FaceHammer feel free to do more in depths on these topics

[@harveyg3958]

Thanks Russ this is exactly what i needed as an old 8th ed player thinking OW is just a reharsh rip off

[@EyebrowsGaming]

How could it be a ripoff when it's by the same company? 🤔 bit of an odd stance ngl

[@diamend85]

it sounds to me a very different and improved game

[@thomaswall2496]

Awesome can’t wait for more!!

[@FaceHammer]

More to come!

[@swedishclix7248]

What are the ideal sizes of units in this edition? Not interested in 40+ units as standard.

[@FaceHammer]

I think smaller is better now that rank bonus cap is smaller - I don't think you will see huge units. Actually think MSU is the key

[@OhDearBabajan]

@@FaceHammermultiple small units?

[@easychange2345]

MJF music at the end!

[@FaceHammer]

yeah :) I was at Wembley last year for ALL IN

[@easychange2345]

Pozdrav svima iz starog svijeta :)

[@lootnscoot50]

Would like a video targeted to new players!

[@FaceHammer]

I will be doing a how to play series aimed at newer players - GW have released some "overview" how to play videos which are helpful - but yes I will be doing something for brand new players to rank and flank warhammer

[@jacawandersmok9043]

55:10 because settra does not serve rules settra make rules! ;]

[@diegoj4200]

which has changed since 8th, they removed half of the armies making them legacy armies just so it doesn't cross paths with AOS

[@curticusmaximus]

They're getting the same rules as the rest of the factions except for arcane journals (a couple of named characters and themed ways to build the army)

[@FaceHammer]

I believe the PDFs will be great for these factions - we don't know what we will see in the future. I am really happy the Old World is back its a shame about some of my fave legacy armies - Skaven and Vampres... but its a small price to pay to keep Kroak and lizardmen away :D

[@diamend85]

bit too long but insightful. good to listen to. tournament gamer instead of all those advertisement videos telling about what a rank bonus is 😅

[@tomekhekin914]

AP -2 on canons is big nerf. I am afraid about herohammer. As a Empire player I had 4 ways to deal with fighty lords Van horstmann speculum (not available), magic (big nerf), steam tank (big nerf) and cannons (big nerf). Most of things where better nerfed but not characters (looking at you Dwarf Lord with T10 and 7W and armour 2+).

[@FaceHammer]

Its a very different game - you can also take more warmachines than you used to. unkillable heroes are less of a thing now especially with mass armourbane shooting or attacks

[@cmxpiipl]

It's a similar feeling looking at the wood elves. Now they lack str all around (all forest spirits, wardancers hit like whimps) and there is no more killing blow for wardancers or waywatchers to keep the enemy tough guys on their toes. Meanwhile you can now have like 10 wound t6 chaos lord on a dragon with built in ward save and his armor save working even better than before. I guess the only solution is to run a dragon against a dragon. Even Treeman was made a whimp, str5 and what is up with the treewack (I see no point to it anymore, str10 and d6 wounds made it a threat for bigger baddies, now it does nothing the regular attacks wouldn't do better? )

[@arturstasienko2234]

Im sorry if they cared about the game, then they are incompetent. Love fantasy, only GW product will touch. But FM the rule writing is bad.