The Libyan Civil Wars: Quagmire in a Quagmire

[@IIC-GusBadran]

Would great if you added maps during the video.

[@lupen_rein]

That's especially important in this one, as many things only make sense if you see them on a map with the geography and desert areas and the oil fields.

[@nolongerblocked6210]

Thank you!! I kept thinking while watching this: "I wish he'd show this on a map so I could visualize it better"

[@twotrackjack2260]

Lybia is a North African country on the western border of Egypt. Tunisia is slightly north and west of Lybia.

[@whom382]

@@twotrackjack2260 We know where the country is. It's where the factions are that we are asking for a map about.

[@epg9274]

Preferably one of those “every day” or “every week” maps or that sort of thing

[@route2070]

I knew a guy in college who is Libyan. During his first semester of his year study abroad he got so into on campus events, he didn't study much or do that many of his assignments, so he failed. Due to that he was removed from the study abroad program, that meant his student visa was revoked and he was deported. Shortly after the Civil War broke out. I heard nothing for about 3 months. Then a friend of his made his way to Egypt. There he went to Facebook and posted some updates tagging those who he knew had international friends (due to the internet blackout in Libya). About another 3 months later, the blackout was lifted. He had 3 posts, but 1 came across my newsfeed. He was shot at by 2 of Ghadaffi's troops while he was trying to keep them from taking a bridge his rebel group had taken. He's now a dental hygienist.

[@rivvy2138]

damn

[@thebrennan8263]

Sick story tell your friend I said well done Ireland is proud

[@36minutesago7]

@@thebrennan8263Why would you be proud? Most of the republicans weapons came from Libya during the troubles.

[@thebrennan8263]

@@36minutesago7 smart mouth that's cute I remember when I was 13 enjoy puberty kid, the worlds full of bid bad people and sometimes the enemy of an enemy is a friend and they helped us with demilitarising Northern Ireland with a nice big ceasefire and withdrawal of British troops from Ireland so look at the bright side

[@Adriaticus]

@@36minutesago7 🤦‍♂

[@thejudgmentalcat]

From Top Tens lists to cutting-edge world conflicts...you've crushed it Simon 👏

[@Theshropshireratter]

Agreed

[@i_smoke_ghosts]

cutting edge indeed. i need a bandage please. i am bleeding.

[@grid462]

Where'd that bayonet get inserted, Si?

[@kingace6186]

One major fact check: More than any other powers, the Libyan Civil Wars are one of the theatres of the "Cold War" between Erdogan's Turkey & Putin's Russia. Internationally, Turkey & Russia are the two players with the most skin in the game. So, the Warographics team severely underplayed Turkish involvement in Lybia.

[@Notbuyinganyofit]

I’m so happy someone is paying attention.

[@Baronnax]

They also skimmed over how deeply USA, France and Qatar were involved in fanning the first rebellion due to Gaddafi's refusal to supply Libyan oil freely to France. This was hardly a one-note "oppressed locals rise against brutal dictator" story they make it out to be.

[@anikol8019]

Qatar as well, they pushed Gaddafi's overthrow harder than any other country

[@jimgaston9863]

And gadafis desire to set up an Arab currency based on oil and gold.

[@KawaiiKasai]

Saying Gaddafi was "brutally beaten" to death is a *bit* of an understatement

[@scarletcrusade77]

He deserved it

[@Ep22472]

@@scarletcrusade77why ?

[@scarletcrusade77]

@@Ep22472 Because he's a brutal dictator that not only terrorized his own people but also sponsored terror attacks around the world.

[@scarletcrusade77]

@@marshalerts4148 The African union, Arab league and EU should have decided between them some sort of reconstruction and occupation/oversee plan for Libya rather than letting the rebel forces sort themselves out.

[@yaloluyanda791]

​@@scarletcrusade77It was the rebels who paid in blood while fighting Gaddafi's regime, do you think they would just step aside after being victorious and let foreign powers dictate the future of Libya?

[@lupen_rein]

I'm a Western part-time journalist who has been covering the Libyan quagmire for the past 3 years and my research on every new news update about the country is horrendously extensive because most actors' behaviors don't make much sense and they usually can't be fitted into a clear "good vs. bad" or "islamist vs. secular" or "east vs. west" pattern. It's usually local militias and individuals in it for their own gains, and the diversity of their alliances is just massive and unreasonable. Also, as most of the state's institutions have broken down or been divided among the militias, they speak with hundreds of different voices fueling local interests. This is why it's so complicated: There are no "sides", just constantly shifting alliances of individuals and groups, who are significant enough to make a difference in Libya, but not nearly significant enough to be identified without a looking glass. Also, most people don't care about Libya, even in Europe (except the Italians). These are the situations where peace becomes incredibly hard to commit to: many individual actors with shifting alliances, who therefore cannot be committed to a peace easily, because there's always this individual group who will refuse to support the peace or agree with that one other group they hate the most. You just can't herd cats. Also, by the way, the international backers sound more numerous than they actually are. Most countries accept the Western Tripoli government as legitimate since 2016, but they don't really have much influence except Turkey and Italy. Only the aforementioned backers of the East (Russia, Saudi-Arabia, Greece, France, Egypt, UAE) are really into it, and the extent of their backing is quite diverse. Egypt, Russia, France and the UAE have massive relevance, so does Italy and Turkey for the Western side, but everyone else is insignificant in Libya.

[@zackzittel7683]

I didn’t know that. Thanks.

[@conceitedfication]

Why do the Italians care

[@lupen_rein]

@@conceitedfication Libya used to be an Italian colony and it's just across the sea. But it used to be an Ottoman one too, so that's why Turkey cares too. Most migrants in Italy start by boat in Libya, so that's also why Italy cares.

[@badluck5647]

Sounds like China's warlord era. The conflict only ended when powerful ideological forces (Nationalist and Communists) were able to crush all the warlords one by one.

[@marcobonesi6794]

@@conceitedfication because the entire local oil and gas industry was built by italy in the 60s. Even the local skilled workforce was trained in italy.

[@syndicatefive]

The sheer amount of information I have absorbed to this human's voice. Thanks!

[@KW-qd1bi]

This channel could probably get several videos out of the Syrian civil war

[@lupen_rein]

Actually, the Syrian Civil War is much less complicated than the three Libyan Civil Wars, in the Syrian Civil War there were actually comparatively clear sides of rebels vs. government vs. Kurds vs. ISIS, even if these were 4 sides. In Libya however, there are no real sides, the militias switch allegiances every other month and they don't particularly care about ethnicity or ideology, so it's incredibly hard to predict their behaviors.

[@joeyjojojrshabadoo7462]

​@@lupen_reinSyria got pretty complicated when various other countries decided to get involved resulting in conflicting a web of complicated shifting alliances.

[@lupen_rein]

@@joeyjojojrshabadoo7462 Yes, but the very same thing happened in Libya. Syria is very complicated and a quagmire, but Libya is even more so.

[@Linki8uu]

@@joeyjojojrshabadoo7462 if I’m remembering my us intervetion history correctly we supported the rebels and the Kurds I believe while Russia supported the government and everyone hated isis please correct me if I’m wrong oh and then turkey rolled up in I want to say like 2017 and started killing the Kurds fun

[@joeyjojojrshabadoo7462]

@@Linki8uu From what I gathered yes. Literally everyone hates ISIS though which is honestly a kind of achievement in bad RP.

[@theawesomeman9821]

The odd international support in the Libyan civil war reminds me of the Congo civil war where multiple nations were oddly supporting other sides.

[@suleyman8696]

Look at Syrian « civil » war it’s basically a «Cold War » conflict

[@dekardkain5469]

Quagmire in a Quagmire? Giggidy.

[@HotChronicles]

Was looking for this comment

[@VivaRevolucionDGS]

Very well researched and presented. The quality of content on every one of Simon's channels speaks volumes about not only Simon himself but also the uber talented writers/visual artists he has hired to bring these stories to life. There hasn't been a day in the last few years where I'm not watching/listening to at least one video or podcast.

[@shihtzu291]

Yes he is a very busy man in demand ain't he! Joking aside he my favourite you tuber by far! 🇬🇧👍

[@davepowell7168]

Hardcore simpering

[@rileygrayson1597]

My friend was in Libya when Gaddafi fell (he's a mercenary). The stories he told me of miles long convoys trying to get out the country with only warlords guaranteeing safe passage. Arabs leading groups of blacks to be mass executed as Gaddafi got blacks to fight for him. That whole situation was messed up and 10 years later possibly even more messed up than before.

[@cashwat210]

And the ones they didn’t kill were sold into slavery

[@marcusperez1607]

Do you have any sources about the mistreatment of Blacks in Lybia. I want to look into it.

[@rileygrayson1597]

@marcusperez1607 I don't pal I heard all of this from my friend who was protecting the media and meeting clients in no man's land. This guy was also one of the first whites in Sierra Leon when Ebola broke out ended up training a militia in the jungle 👀

[@michaelotieno6524]

@@marcusperez1607 Amnesty International has issued reports on the execution of blacks and Africans in Libya, the report says that reports of African mercenaries were exaggerated in the media leading to the massacre of innocent Africans by Western backed militias.

[@jasonscott7988]

​@@marcusperez1607there are videos of literal slave auctions taking place in Libya. Try googling "slave auction Libya" and that should get you started on your way.

[@badluck5647]

It is sad that KZbin demonetization has left this topic under covered.

[@recalcitrantprophet9573]

Over a decade later, Khadafi is now seen as a moderate dictator, keeping the crazies in line.

[@juliankraus1011]

He had to moderate himself with the years. During most of his reign he was just another madman backing criminals and crazies all over the world.

[@yourroyalchungusness]

When Simon says "It's Quagmiring time", I know that he will Quagmire throughout the entire Libyan Civil Wars Quagmire in a Quagmire video. Truly the best Quagmire scene of all time, Bravo Simon 👏👏

[@calebbean1384]

What else but Quagmire?

[@lelagrangeeffectphysics4120]

And he Quagmired over everyone else

[@lelagrangeeffectphysics4120]

@@7Beanss NOOOOOO IM GUAGMIRE REEEEEE IM QUAGMIRE REEEEEEE

[@burnnotice2536]

Giggity

[@OmegaTaishu]

Stand back, he's beginning to quagmire!

[@cooper8t]

I think you need to use more graphics (animated maps for example), to really help with the explanation. Good video from the team though :)

[@cooper8t]

Although, greed from the west definitely made the war worst

[@robertortiz-wilson1588]

Agreed.

[@Nick-sz3wx]

That’s a great deep dive on this war. Thanks for all the work you guys put into this documentary. And everything else you guys are putting out on here! Stay on it Simon. Great content!

[@handsomememer]

I love these videos. As they are and as they will evolve. Fantastic, entertaining, informative. I hope my love isn't misplaced.

[@xBruceLee88x]

Ah poor Peter😂 This is a Quagmire indeed.

[@Amen.ahmed1]

Giggity

[@Mickelson1337]

I need to know who Peter is now.

[@xBruceLee88x]

@@Mickelson1337 if I had to guess... He's the "Danny" that got away, and Simon just taunts him now.

[@PanConQueso001]

@@Mickelson1337 I guess he's a man who positively can do all the things that make us laugh and cry.

[@ApplNation21]

Love these long videos, I hate when just the surface of the conflict or history is talked about

[@Jayjay-qe6um]

"The chaotic situation in Libya is definitely creating a threat. Libya now connects the jihadists in Africa with those in those in the Middle East and in Afghanistan. This could have been avoided." -- Yoweri Museveni

[@Mrgunsngear]

Thanks

[@Amen.ahmed1]

Anyone who watched Game of Thrones can understand what is going on in Libya.

[@jamesclouse9947]

Nothing is as hardcore as game of thrones

[@mensreus]

we appreciate your hard work

[@browningcq]

Lesson of this story: never give up your nuclear weapons.

[@065Tim]

Ghadaffi didnt have them.

[@browningcq]

@@065Tim yea, because he gave them to the US shortly after 9/11. If he didn’t give up those nukes, the US wouldn’t have CIA’d/JFK’d him haha.

[@nowfalalmahmody2172]

As a Libyan i couldn't have said it better myself i hope one day my country could come to peace

[@abdalmajedhgaf6049]

تقرأ التعليقات ينكسر قلبك💔

[@nowfalalmahmody2172]

@@abdalmajedhgaf6049 ايه والله

[@ericmunene8521]

Libya once had peace. Largest HDI in Africa, highest gdq per capital,but Libyans saw it's better with western democracy. Libya will have leap what it sowed

[@Arlecchinofan97]

⁠@@ericmunene8521Anarchy isn’t very western I don’t think, not considering how the richest and most stable countries are all western besides a few east Asian states.

[@ericmunene8521]

@@Arlecchinofan97 which rich countries are rich without resources. Those western developed are developed due to US markets and their central banks. The US development inthe 19th century is due to its natural resources and unrestricted information flow from Europe. Development is chained to democracy in any way. This proved by China, Japan and gulf states. Development is due to natural resources and access to markets

[@kukuc96]

The mention of the Benghazi attack reminded me of someone. A US diplomat called Sean Smith, known in EVE Online circles as Vile Rat was among those killed. In short, he was also a diplomat in the largest player organization in the game. Tens of thousands of players showed their respects in game after his death. With thousands of player owned structures renamed. If you search for his name on YT you can find more of the story.

[@CyanidePenguin]

Thank you for including this. Very interesting to see how much support the community gave

[@crocrox2273]

Shame he was killed by that lesser humans race

[@opanababy]

@@crocrox2273 edit: croat found prepare to be liquidated lol

[@xxcoopcoopxx]

@@crocrox2273 Lesser humans recognize lesser humans.

[@rivvy2138]

takes one to know one@@crocrox2273

[@multiyapples]

Rest in peace to those that passed away.

[@wonderwatch2239]

To me it seems like dictator governed countries, simply doesn’t function without a dictator 🤷‍♂️

[@BaronVonMott]

Who'd have thought that a system built around one specific individual would collapse once that individual is gone? 🤔

[@lordmolag45000]

Sad, but can't deny the truth with this statement.

[@Adam-kr1bb]

It's because they hold absolute power. Nobody in the one-man government has any political independence or experience. Which is why so many former dictatorship countries collapse.

[@cnlbenmc]

The Arab Spring was basically an unmitigated disaster with Lybia and Syria in particular being the worst examples amongst them and maybe only one or Two nations actually turning out better than they were before. It went so bad that supposedly some activist groups declared "The Era of the Revolution is Dead".

[@065Tim]

Stating "the revolution is dead" could also be because Gadaffi was a socialist and said he was the leader of the Revolution. Opposing him would make you a counter-revolutionary.

[@cnlbenmc]

+@@065Tim+ Oh the irony...

[@Godzillamonstrosity]

Not a single country turned out better than before lol. They all turned out worse than before 😂😂. The only country which came close to a democracy was Tunisia and then they became a dictatorship last year too after the president declared emergency and dissolved the parliament. Libya, Syria and Yemen descended into all out civil wars.

[@ricardozetino6907]

​@@Godzillamonstrosity The only reason Tunisia post Arab spring looks great compared to their other counterpart is because it is one of the few major countries of the Arab spring still have significant peace and stability post Arab spring.

[@Godzillamonstrosity]

@@ricardozetino6907 And even Tunisia only became marginally better post Arab Spring and all the rest became much worse.

[@theadventuresofkiwi5472]

Quagmire inside Quagmire? Giggity

[@sammedina2011]

I remember hearing about this as a senior in High school. My US Government teacher would put on CNNs student news before class started so I was pretty well informed on this. Thank you Mr. Monje 🙏

[@codidevlugt2153]

Could you possibly do a video on the Liberian Civil war's? Or do a Biographics of Charles Taylor? I would greatly appreciate it.

[@--enyo--]

lol love the Peter jokes across all the channels.

[@REVIEWCORPS]

You can’t tell me that Gaddafi doesn’t look like he’s playing in the World Series of poker in that picture from the intro

[@Fred_Lougee]

I can and will. Only an idiot plays poker wearing mirrored shades.

[@Usmcpantera]

This KZbinr is a quagmire, 100 channels and they all sulk. He mastered the art of looking for info on Google 😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂

[@peterszkiela2768]

My name is Peter. I had this playing in the background while I was working on my PC. The 17:06 point in the video freaked me out.

[@NateTheGnat]

"We Came, We Saw... He Died! HAHAHAHA!" - Hilarious Clownton, 2011

[@orac22]

What? No I didn’t.

[@the1flym459]

While a lot of people take the lesson of the Libyan Civil Wars as "we shouldn't get involved in North Africa and the Middle East," I feel like that's a way too simplistic reading of events. Rather, I think the message is more about the importance of supporting formerly authoritarian states in their transition to democracy. Gaddafi was going to die eventually; he was already pretty old when the Arab Spring happened and it was probably the best chance Libyans had of making sure the eventual transfer of power went their way. But after the death and destruction of the Civil War, the new government didn't have the boots on the ground capacity to maintain order and control during the rebuilding period. If foreign powers were really concerned about the Libyan people, they should have sent peacekeeping forces to help stabilize the situation until the Libyan military could reorganize itself. The US and NATO need to learn that while drone strikes are easier and less risky for them, there's a tangible reassurance that being able to physically see those helping to maintain order that aerial bombardments can never replace. You can't half-ass these sorts of things: you either have to be willing to go all in when staging an intervention or stay out of it entirely, there's no middle ground

[@nathanaeld.striker7191]

Unfortunately, other countries are more worried about the perception of their public.

[@thearpox7873]

They should have given a voice not just to the transitional governments, but to the tribal groups and various small factions running around. When you shut out a large segment of the population, you breed resentment. When that population is well-armed, you're asking for trouble. And here's a hint: When a gun-toting minority side is asking for greater autonomy, either give it to them or be ready to enforce order with an iron fist. If you can't do either of those, prepare for years of suffering. Unfortunately, a core facet of modern Western diplomacy seems to be to just deal with the 'legitimate' authority, and then act pikachu faced when stuff goes boom.

[@robertortiz-wilson1588]

​@@thearpox7873 SO true. Very well put.

[@christophersmith309]

Unfortunately, US and NATO occupation of countries via peacekeepers and attempts to assist a country in rebuilding itself and its institutions has historically rarely worked out

[@nolongerblocked6210]

@@christophersmith309 other than the Marshall Plan, which helped to rebuild nation after nation after WW2

[@Googers503]

Freaking love this channel

[@VR36030]

For the comments here who think Simon is unnecessarily harsh to Gaddafi, British people specifically hate Gaddafi because of his involvement in the bombing of Pan Am Flight 103 in 1988, killing 270 people. He's like an Al Qaeda terrorist to them so any facts about him giving healthcare and money to his people are irrelevant.

[@BacklTrack]

But to Libyans they don't think the same way. And they dealt with the brunt of this power change.

[@ivancho5854]

Quite right. I was very happy to hear how he met his fate. 🇬🇧 God save the King! 🇬🇧

[@RSjs25]

@@ivancho5854go outside

[@CoolManCoolMan123]

​@@BacklTrackBrits also celebrate Churchill like some god even though he was just a good leader in right time, and do I have to talk about his opinions on a neutral Ireland and India?

[@DeliaLange]

The facts are also not facts, they’re false! I am Libyan and whenever I hear this shit and then tell my family members what people are saying that gaddafi did for us on the internet they just laugh in my face!

[@anumeon]

I am doing my best, thank you very much... :D

[@wavydavy9816]

Stirling effort Pete 👍

[@Snp2024]

Hero ❤❤

[@adenkyramud5005]

Legend

[@usonumabeach300]

No mention of the combat knife slid fairly casually into his rectal area?

[@johnreece101]

Simon please please make a podcast for warographics and just upload the audio from your videos. -Someone who is driving across the ENTIRE US right now

[@unfortunately_fortunate2000]

you know you can que videos up, right? also you really shouldnt be commenting on a video while driving, that isn't just dangerous, that's reckless.

[@andyyang3029]

​@@unfortunately_fortunate2000 probably isn't currently driving, but at a gas station or rest stop on the way. But yes, he should just queue up the videos or make a playlist 👍

[@unfortunately_fortunate2000]

@@andyyang3029 I'm aware, I was being sarcastic. but still, listening to podcasts/youtube videos does actually contribute to distracted driving, much like listening to the radio while driving can and has lead to many accidents on the road.

[@devonweber8006]

He confused Libya for Syria when he was talking about the air stricken

[@maryrowe3981]

🤷🏻‍♀️ we knew what he meant.

[@criticalvan939]

That blazer is phenomenal

[@midsue]

Informative video about the very complicated situation in Libya.

[@dogetaxes8893]

Reminds me of that family guy episode where Quagmire was in Libya.

[@sea_clicks]

mega Quagmire talk...Simon!

[@floeckchen666]

Who else but quagmire Giggedy giggedy

[@malikshabazz2065]

great stuff!

[@RandomNooby]

Might need a part 2...

[@KRossKo]

Did anyone else notice at 7:20 when he said Syria instead of Libya, wonder if that's a teaser for a future video lol 🤣

[@scooby45247]

the struggle to monopolize violence..

[@EAcapuccino]

What happens when a dictator is deposed? Power vacuum and a bloody civil war, or many

[@user-uc4vg4rg9e]

not something i want to see happen in russia

[@OK-yy6qz]

Or transition to democracy.

[@walnzell9328]

29:24 I was not expecting the Powder Gangers to be a faction in this war. Holy crap.

[@demeresmith7307]

My heart breaks from the lives lost in these wars. Once stable nations in udder chaos, it is cruel. It humbles me when I think about my problems then realize parts of the world are still like this and will likely continue like this.

[@amstonger]

Pull your head from the sand.... All you peace loving disillusioned people should realize that war will never end... So stay out of the way

[@KironManuelCards]

Utter chaos. Udder means the teats of a cow from which we get milk! And actually Libya was in chaos from day one. see the Lockerbie Crash.

[@bluemutt9964]

Hey Peter, remember the time the UN authorized a no-fly-zone over my country?

[@masfiqratul7559]

Gadaffi is Laughing from Heaven That They betrayed him for this

[@ironman5034]

Do a follow up of how this led to more jihadist in north and west africa

[@lesserson2182]

Nice cleaned up edition of how Gaddafi was killed. Left out the bayonet suppository.

[@jackbolder5734]

Missing reasoning behind outside player's support of the factions.

[@m.c.martin]

It’s crazy how Gaddafi took over Libya when he was 27 and without firing a single shot, to then see a Rebellion over throw him in a civil war is quite odd.

[@doomsncrew]

As Carmine Lupertazzi would say, it's a stagmire in a precipice of an enormous crossroads

[@LowTempDabr]

Giggitty...

[@Bikeadelic]

"The UN get twitchy when it looked like regimes they didn't like started to take back power from the newly formed "stable" government. Although no one in the UN lived there they knew it was up to them to control Libya"

[@OK-yy6qz]

Who else but Quagmire

[@needsmetal]

And now not is slavery back in Libya, NGOs use Libya as a human trafficing location

[@longtabsigo]

I wanna know what happened to his brothers Larrymar and Curlymar?

[@glenipolus9731]

God damn pls give us a map pls. I cant understand anything without one

[@shihtzu291]

I want to know why on earth Simon hasn't got his own TV project yet as he's clearly very comfortable in front of the camera and he's also the most hardest working man on KZbin definitely I mean the amount of top quality content that comes out from him is enormous! If I was in charge of the BBC or Channel 4 or whatever he'd be top of my list of presenters. Not only that but he comes across a really likable geezer with his tipicall British quick wit and humour. Who ever signs him up would have a serious asset with Simon. 🇬🇧👍

[@jamesclouse9947]

Why the hell would you want that?

[@TopStrikerT]

Giggity

[@CruelandCold]

Giggity

[@parfait911]

Omg Quagmire you're during civil war in Libya that's hilarious

[@peniiiiii644]

There is a really good movie about the embassy being destroyed, it is 13 hours: the secret soldier.

[@jameskynnersley3804]

Is it NTC or TNC? The writing around the badge, and the acronym Simon uses, are not the same

[@orac22]

It was NTC

[@dirtyden1]

I swear Simon is the busiest dude on KZbin.

[@m.c.martin]

Does this mean we’ll see a Biographics video on Gaddafi soon?

[@theawesomeman9821]

I believe they already did him years ago

[@rustyholt6619]

has anyone else noticed that when ever society breaks down tribal violence seems to take its place

[@axelrubiocarrillo9719]

Gaddafi deserved better

[@tylerlewis2766]

Lets remember what Ghaddafi warned Europe of if he fell and whats happened since.

[@DogeickBateman]

When Gaddafi said "I am the Quagmire" and turned into a Quagmire I knew this was the Family Guy Quagmire arc of all time, Bravo Vince Edit: Here before the ten gazillion third worlders say "muh American fault" when the UN literally authorized the no fly zone lmao

[@sleepyjoe7518]

Obama is the architect of Libya's demolition.The "intervention" for humanitarian reasons has been so far more costly for EU than Libyans.

[@DogeickBateman]

@@sleepyjoe7518 Least braindead robot

[@abrahamhwang1422]

… giggity…

[@amitkenan3878]

That would explain why his guard was women

[@dustingh]

@@amitkenan3878 And why he was sodomized with a bayonet

[@VitoDRF]

Simon: clearly if you see the amount of time left on this video, you know Lybia's troubles were far from over. Me happe ing to be looking at the time bar: YOU GET OUT OF MY HEAD, SIMON WHISTLER! YOU GET OUT OF MY HEAD!!

[@PMCKnivesAndTools]

How did you know I was confused watching this? 👀

[@hieunguyenrileygekko]

the EU and NATO have kept messing up these regions and then wonder where did the immigrant crisis come from

[@DogeickBateman]

Ok bot

[@hieunguyenrileygekko]

@@DogeickBateman so what, am i wrong? i have heard Germans and Swedish screaming about muslim for years now, if i go into specific, i will probably being seen as xenophobe

[@hieunguyenrileygekko]

@@DogeickBateman btw you are probably from EU or US so take them, have all the "cultural enrichment"

[@DogeickBateman]

@@hieunguyenrileygekko Nah I think they'll enjoy the Vietnamese climate better

[@hieunguyenrileygekko]

@@DogeickBateman where have all the islamic terrorist attacks and incidents happened anyway, yeah the West have fun with that again in the next 10 years

[@3spaceeater3]

Hey Simon nobody can hear you in the back. Can your team work on your audio problem, it’s really bad…

[@JozefLucifugeKorzeniowski]

haftar: I want to drive out destabilizing forces and move towards negotiations also haftar: you know what? fuck that. I'm the destabilizing force now.

[@Beanmanwarby]

I clicked the video because I saw the word quagmire in the title and I like quagmire from family guy. Idk what a Libya is

[@mexicanwitharock]

Giggidy

[@Jondiceful]

I often wonder if these nations with borders created by European powers at complete odds with who lives there would be better off dividing into smaller nations better equipped to self-govern if for no other reason than there being fewer internal factions seeking control. Mind you, this is a musing, not a prescription for peace. If any solution could be so simple, I am confident it would have taken root by now.

[@Allahu_Akbar_the_one]

The oil propaganda against Gaddafi was brutal.

[@otacon5648]

How on earth did it take five whole months to publish this video from the date it was shot?

[@CedarHunt]

It's a shame that the Arab Spring hasn't seen more dramatic change in the region. Gaddafi was scum, a murderer and terrorist who deserved what he got. It is just a shame that we didn't have a game plan for helping Libya figure out what they wanted to be next. Ultimately, stability has to come from within the country.

[@miroslavbozic9091]

You helped enough, please don't do it anymore

[@asavelakuse6865]

Hey now he wasn't all that bad. He did do some good in the country.

[@mitchd1751]

The only thing the west wanted was a disablised africa and to secure gold and oil rights. Reconstruction meant nothing

[@rejvaik00]

Yeah I remember a bunch of geopolitical experts saying the Arab spring would not amount to much lasting change because there was no real government institutions in the nations being afflicted by it They said that it would just swap one dictator or all-powerful authoritarian strongman for another and well they were mostly correct

[@CedarHunt]

@@asavelakuse6865 He people proved exactly how they felt about the "good" he did for his country by stabbing and shooting him to death in a ditch. The guy was scum and everyone hated him.

[@z0ro_62]

I remember a very different series of events then whats painted here for one the rebels where always divided so much so that they where losing only when the airstrikes came raining in did the war start swinging in the rebels favor

[@bmak24]

Gas is getting kinda expensive. Sounds like Libya, needs some freedom 😎

[@parveskoyes9937]

Libya will absolutely never ever recover. And that’s a fact. Doomed forever.

[@60sSam]

There are times that, no matter how much you might not want to, breaking up from a non=functional relationship is the best thing for it.

[@ReaperDCC]

Holy crap Petah Quag's in the war

[@adamscease4126]

self immolation. it’s called self immolation. if you set yourself on fire. not to be splitting hairs but words do matter.

[@tomaswallmur7616]

Yet another fantastic example of western initiative regime change. Libya under their brutal dictator had single payer health care and the highest literacy in Africa, but some NATO countries were really hungry for that oil/freedumb for the Libyan ppl….:/

[@DeliaLange]

our education system was not better than any of our surrounding countries. My dad was a doctor in Libya working there for 12 years when gaddafi was in power. He left Libya when he saved up enough money because he knew how awful the healthcare system is in Libya. Ask any Libyan and they’ll tell you they went abroad for most of their specialist treatments even during gaddafi’s era. It’s very common to hear about people going to tunisia for surgery, turkey for a stroke, jordan for fertility treatment. Trash is also free but it doesn’t make it good does it?

[@keicor]

Very nice summary! Re which nations supported who ots simple... look at the oil fields ownerships and you have your answer. Eni (italy) and BP (UK) have 50% ownership of oil fields in the North, and Total (France) owns 50% of rhenoil fields in the south. Now see which countries are major investors in said companies and you can start building the list presented.

[@robertortiz-wilson1588]

Link!