Was Alberto Santos-Dumont the Real Inventor of the Airplane?

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[@ricardomobile8479]

Sadly he suffered the same problem take off Michael Jackson's... And many more others... Repressed homosexuality... 😮😢 Self guilty... The father of computing science as well... Alan Turing

[@llewev]

From your accent you sound British - so it should be "inventor of the aeroplane" - we are not the 51st state yet!

[@daltonagre]

The history of Alberto Santos Dumont (1873 - 1932) shows that the past is decided in the future. I live in Brazil.

[@awyeagames]

Santos Dumont invented the airplane ✈️

[@NorskInjustis]

a little better diction and slower pace would be nice - shape the words more - you rush a little! Slow down and shape the words thining about what you say - the meaning

[@pachecodecastro2593]

This is common knowledge in virtually all European countries and, most definitely, in Brazil.

[@youngfossil]

No wonder Europeans laugh off US education 😂

[@Scrubermensch]

My heart is warmed to know fellow Europeans give credit to Brazil instead of US regarding the invention of the airplane. Really good to know 🇧🇷

[@greatBLT]

Huh, probably just the ones who speak Romance languages because I've seen many Europeans discussing the Wright Flyer as the first plane. Plus, the Fédération Aéronautique Internationale, which was founded in France, based in Switzerland, says that the Wright Flyer is the first plane. And it's the governing body in charge of designating official aeronautics and spaceflight terms. Perhaps they were paid by the Americans to do that. Who knows?

[@pachecodecastro2593]

@ perhaps… who knows…the US have always been great at scheming.

[@unassailable6138]

@@greatBLT Being an Aeronautic Federation while impressive has no factual scientific basis for verifying data and establishing that Wright's design was more than a glider instead of a de facto airplane which by definition can take off and fly unassisted . That would require an expert corpus, documentation and tests. The Wrights and their witnesses and photos haven't been substantiated or verified historically to have been produced and submitted on the exact dates claimed. Additionally, Dumont's plane can both fly unassisted and has chronological congruity to his claims. Therefore the weight of evidence and credibility is on his side, as well as the ability of his design to actually fly in modern reconstructions. Current evidence suggest Wrights were the inventors of the glider and early developers of flaps/slats and Dumont, of the modern airplane. While it would be possible for the Wrights to have actually produced an airplane one or two years before Dumont, there is insufficient substantial evidence for solidifying those claims.

[@sombraarthur]

Funny enough, the Wright Brothers Flyer was remade by a few people, they even managed to use the same catapults made by them, and the thing never flown. The Flyer had no proof of flight as well, as the Wright Brothers "did not allow" journalists to take pictures of the thing, both in the sky or out of it. The first pictures of their machines were taken in 1908, two years after Santos Dumont took off, flown and landed 14 Bis under its own power. The replica of the 14 Bis made by a FAB pilot flew flawlesly. Santos Dumont IS the father of aviation, period. Those who come with the "patent" of the Wrong Brothers, conveniently never talk about how the US patent Office STOPPED asking for a fully functional specimen of the invention before the patent was granted. And yet to this very day, not even a SINGLE ONE replica of the "patents" of the Wright brothers fly.

[@vidal9747]

Because they were conman! They did nothing special. It is astounding how Americans want to steal every achievement from other countries when they already send mankind to the moon. There is no end to American narcissism

[@walterdearrudafortesjuni-wp5oh]

Não voa, o motor indicado no original dos irmãos é muito pesado, pelos cálculos já sabiam disso, mesmo na época e a própria cientific América dúvida deles, pede provas, elege santos Dumont como o primeiro tá no jornal

[@joaovitorrotta479]

@@walterdearrudafortesjuni-wp5oh que? mas foi exatamente oq ele falou kkkkk, somente a replica do santos dumont é funcional, a dos irmaos nao funciana.

[@shuratobrc]

Wrong brothers! Hahahahahahaa nice

[@sutirk]

@sombraarthur do you have any sources for the patent office stopping to ask for a fully functional specimen? I couldn't find that anywhere And i saw a video of a flyer "replica" actually flying with a rail/catapult, but that probably uses a modern, more powerful and lighter motor

[@karadpal]

He actually flew an airplane... Not some Angrybirds experiment.

[@peet3449]

HAHAHA

[@mateusheine2656]

Real

[@anderpalma]

yep, that's the whole point...

[@PauloJrchannel]

Santos-Dumont is the father of aviation regardless, even if one wants to argue the Wright Brothers flew first (which is debatable.) The Wright Brothers patented just about all of their blueprints and filed unfair lawsuits against just about any inventor who tried to make any design even remotely similar to an airplane, basically stalling the American airplane industry, until World War 1 when the American government snatched their patents to use in the military. Santos-Dumont went out of his way to make his designs public and have them be published into newspaper, which was a huge step in making the airplane more affordable and easily accessible to the public, as well as giving other inventors the chance to improve on his designs. Santos-Dumont in the long run ended up simply being more important to the history of aviation than the Wright Brother, even if we were to say the Wright Brothers flew first (which, again, it's debatable.)

[@Jader-x4n]

​@@mateusheine2656 Nobody in France considers Santos Dumont to be the inventor of the airplane.

[@juliomac2007]

Santos Dummont’s first flight was seen by hundreds of people while alleged Brothers flight was witnessed only by a 13 year old nice and no pictures or film were ever made. The story of Brothers earlier flight came out only AFTER Santos successful flight.

[@NankitaBR]

This!

[@nivdel]

At the time they already had photography, so why didn't they take a picture?🤔

[@marcoantoniogarcia8576]

@@nivdel There is a picture of their first flight.

[@anapaulaamaral1514]

And the Dumont flight left from the ground and came back while the brother's flight needed help to start....

[@Catto_Ninja]

And also there was a dog! Don't forget the dog!

[@JS-vl2pk]

Don't forget that the Wright brothers exchanged letters with S Dumont about his engine. Santos Dumond was an open source believer and shared all his technology.

[@cardinalRG]

Will you provide the source for your claim, please?

[@notachannel4u]

He is one of the early examples of the OpenSource movement.

[@UmEditorMarxista]

@@cardinalRG no, bc the source is open he already said it (jk)

[@CraigHocker]

discussing engine details isn't relevant to what was most critical for success for powered flight.

[@GokudoBarzinho]

@@cardinalRG common knowledge for anyone that isnt bombarded by american propaganda. Just read the lettters lol

[@festol1]

Dumont is in another league, first in: wristwatch, airplane, airports concept, fashion, ballons, aerodynamic controls. Dude was awesome. I visit his office at his home country: he even invented home officing before internet was a thing!

[@pashakdescilly7517]

William Morris, Lord Nuffield had an office at home for his car-building empire.

[@agranero6]

@@festol1 Men's wristwatch. Women already used. He wanted something practical, but the project was beautiful as well, beyond form follows function. As always he let Cartier sell it under his brand as he made it following his instructions. This created a problem: his family (Dumont side) was into jewellery business and made the same watch in Brazil under Dumont brand. There was an gentlemen agreement of some kind...but hundred years later there was a suing and countersuing about the design. I don't know what happened.

[@acics]

​@@agranero6Have never heard or seen a such Brazilian Dumont family made watch, but anyway the patent is sure now expired, and can be made by anyone, just only one can have the Cartier name on it.

[@agranero6]

@@acics The name in Brazil was obviosly Dumont...now Dumont belongs to Saab...mean belonged...Technos (another Brazilian watch brand) bought the group later.

[@deck614]

The wristwatch was invented by Cartier for Santos-Dumont.

[@milk-it]

Even today, Brazil is a significant player in aviation. Embraer is the third largest producer of civilian aircraft after Boeing and Airbus (according to Wikipedia at least), and having flown on several of their passenger jets, as a private pilot I can attest to their consistency and quality design work. Brazil is definitely overlooked when it comes to high end manufacturing in aviation.

[@ChockHolocaust]

If you think Embraer's have quality design work, you've evidently never been in the hold of an Embraer 190 lol

[@georgemiller151]

That’s not really true. Embraer is more of a final assembler. Most of the high tech components of Embraer aircraft are imported from the USA. For example, almost all of their jet engines are made by either General Electric or Pratt & Whitney.

[@bartomalatesta5652]

@@georgemiller151 what are you talking about? Pretty much no airplane manufacturers make the engines, these are two completely different businesses. You won`t find any Boings or Airbuses with their own engines.

[@w.benson3011]

@@ChockHolocaust . . . or you having a Boeing or Airbus passenger jet fall out of the sky under you.

[@fwmlp]

@@georgemiller151And who does the engines for Boeing and Airbus again?

[@leonardospinola926]

Nas palavras do próprio Santos-Dumont (do manuscrito "O Homem Mecânico", de 1929): “Não posso deixar de ficar profundamente estupefato por essa reivindicação ridícula. É inexplicável que os irmãos Wright pudessem ter realizado inúmeros voos durante três anos e meio sem terem sido observados por um único jornalista da perspicaz imprensa norte-americana que tivesse se dado o trabalho de assisti-los e de produzir a melhor reportagem da época”. In the words of Santos-Dumont himself (from the manuscript "The Mechanical Man", 1929): "I cannot help but be profoundly astonished by this ridiculous claim. It is inexplicable that the Wright brothers could have made countless flights over three and a half years without having been observed by a single journalist from the perceptive American press who had taken the trouble to watch them and produce the best report of the time."

[@AzureCz]

Brutal

[@rodrigorafael.9645]

Dormam com essa gringuitos.

[@Didoff_5.45x39]

​@@rodrigorafael.9645 "dOrmam" é foda tbm kkkkkkk

[@pauloziliani260]

É o típico oportunismo gringo. E se colar colou, essa não podemos deixar colar.

[@leonardospinola926]

​@@pauloziliani260 Não só oportunismo. É deliberado. É proposital. É uma campanha. E já vem de décadas. É a expressão da megalomania, do egocentrismo. É um povo que não consegue se ver fora do "primeiro lugar" em nada. Que acha que o mundo é uma extensão do país deles.

[@ch1pr1to]

In Brazil, we have an popular expression abount the Wright brothers, "With a slingshot, even a rock can fly"

[@Rasfa]

the "angry birds" pioneers

[@fantabuloussnuffaluffagus]

The Wright Brothers did not use a catapult for their first flights at Kitty Hawk. The Catapult came later when flying from a field near Dayton. So, while the saying may be popular, it is irrelevant.

[@Rasfa]

@@fantabuloussnuffaluffagus sure.

[@fantabuloussnuffaluffagus]

@@Rasfa From a simple search: First flight The Wright brothers' first flight took place on December 17, 1903 in Kitty Hawk, North Carolina. The Wright Flyer I took off unaided, using a bicycle wheel hub attached to the skids to guide it down a 60-foot wooden rail. Catapult use The Wright brothers began using a catapult to launch later versions of their aircraft in 1904. The catapult was a tower-and-drop-weight system that used gravity to pull the plane down a rail and help it reach flying speed. The Wrights' catapult was so effective that they could use a 60-foot rail for safe takeoffs even in light winds.

[@NankitaBR]

​@@fantabuloussnuffaluffagus Except they have no proof of that apart from "trust me, bro" while Santos Dumont literally took off from a busy square in the middle of Paris with people taking photos and filming it. Also, the Wright Brothers changed their version of what happened a few times, so their "trust me, bro" is even less believable.

[@lucasalcavalcante]

There is a problem of criteria: Americans count the first flight of the Wright brothers prototype as the first flight. Brazilians count the first public presentation and the proof of the concept as the first flight. But, in both cases, Santos Dummont invented the plane.

[@cardinalRG]

All criteria for _flight_ and the _airplane_ are subjective, as is _proof of concept._ By the criteria I subscribe to, Santos-Dumont did not invent the airplane.

[@ReavinBlue]

​@@cardinalRG thats just relativism.

[@aedes947]

@@cardinalRG Cope and seethe

[@NankitaBR]

Also, they have no real proof that they flown their plane first, while Santos Dumont took off in the middle of a square in Paris with a lot of people recording it. For all we know, their first plane was not able to fly and they "tweeked" it after Santos Dumont flew his airplane to take the patent for themselves. There is no way of proving it.

[@cardinalRG]

@@NankitaBR --The Wrights' patent application was submitted in 1903, before the brothers had flown at all. Their patent was granted in mid-1906, long before the 14-bis first flew. As for "real proof", your criteria are clearly different than mine. Please realize that photographic images are not the only form of evidence. Many of history's significant events recognized as genuine, were not recorded on film, even after cameras were available.

[@samaBR333]

0:30 - nope, he's not largely forgotten today. only by north americans.

[@SrTullioZ]

This

[@bitesizeenglish3716]

When you say north Americans, do you mean Canadians or Mexicans?

[@Sameeer_Saker]

​@@bitesizeenglish3716 Santos Dumont is widely known only in South America and France, so I assume canadians and mexicans also don't know about him. So yes, north americans

[@パリの放火犯]

​@@bitesizeenglish3716Those who live near Alaska

[@paulopacheco7768]

​@bitesizeenglish3716 we say "north Americans" to define Canadians and/or USA people, depending of the context. Mexico isn't part of North America, but central America. We refuse to define USA people by just "Americans" because they aren't the only ones in the American continent

[@jptrrs]

Worth noting: as far as roll control goes, the Wright's warping wing was a technological dead end. All planes after that used ailerons just like the ones Dumont used on his 14 bis.

[@cardinalRG]

_Most,_ not all subsequent aircraft have used ailerons. The devices that Santos-Dumont added later to the 14-bis weren't really ailerons, but were a sort of inter-wing stabilator. They were clever for the time, but likewise a technological dead-end.

[@martinishot]

When warping was not a technological dead end. In Fact someone who created flaps To bypass the patents lost the lawsuit. Every wing is still achieving the same control system Any plane today has to control its flight with exactly all the same principles as the first plane..They are just doing it with a rigid wing in which only specific areas have movement Not the entire wing. They are still using the same controls.Except for planes with applied by wire.

[@Pingu_1929]

@@cardinalRGbut all modern airplanes take notes on the original 14-bus, while the wright-flier rots in history books

[@cardinalRG]

@@Pingu_1929 --Santos-Dumont was a genius, but you'd be hard pressed to identify any of the 14-bis' original features that found their way into subsequent, let alone modern, aircraft design. Even Santos-Dumont considered it to be a dead-end design, which is why he abandoned it altogether in designing his follow-on aircraft, the wonderful and innovative _Demoiselle_ which itself _was_ influential. In contrast, the Wright Flyers, while quickly surpassed by the designs of energetic competitors from about 1908 onward, was far more influential on future aircraft design. Just one example is the Wright-style propeller which even Santos-Dumont adopted use of, and which connects to nearly all propellers still in use today.

[@Pingu_1929]

@ yeah but the prototypes for the motors where inspired by the Dummont designs, I was mistaken when I said it was the 14-bis, but the designs of the subsequential aircraft’s where inspired by Dummond

[@Tea41.]

During the celebrations of the centenary of fligth of 14 Bis, 2006, an officer from the FAB (Brazilian Air Force) built and flew a replica. The flight was completely autonomous, without the use of catapults. The event reproduced the historic flight that took place at Campo de Bagatelle, in France, in 1906. The 14-bis weighed 290 kilograms and had a 50 horsepower motor. The Flyer weighed 300 kilograms and had a 12 horsepower motor. The relation weight/power in the Flyer was not enough to take off.

[@andreluis7mmv]

Exactly the point: the Flyer could only take off (with or without a catapult) and sustain flight with exceptionally favorable winds blowing. The Kitty Hawk flights was carried out in strong winds, so strong that the Flyer was damaged by it in the end. The other flights also were the same case: extremely strong winds demonstrations. The Wright Brothers Flyer was a powered glider, not an actual working airplane.

[@vidal9747]

Because it is a lie made by conman. Dumound was the real hero of aviation!

[@Rob.DB.]

I am ecstatic to learn about this gigga-chad legend of a man! A true hero that Brazilian people should be extremely proud of! The whole planet should celebrate a man of such awesome character!!

[@chpsilva]

Rest assured, we are _very proud_ of Santos Dumont.

[@macwilliambasilio4128]

@@chpsilva Boa!

[@videogamemusicrenditionsby7625]

I lived in Brazil.for 25 years. I even learnt about Him at school😊

[@wandrescape]

Yeap. But remember, how to suppress other nations and rob them with swift and exchange, domain propaganda and alienate its ow ppl in order to force a version of history. This is what every dictarorship does. And use a continent name to yourself and say all aliens from space only see ur country 😂😂😂😂😂 the list could go for days. Win money with war at any cost.... but... Slingshots....

[@leonardomontibeller1009]

One of the our few heroes we value here. Bravo Dumont

[@Imbel.40]

Léon Levavasseur invented the V8 engine, direct fuel injection and radiator cooling. He was an engineer, designer and inventor, but above all, a genius, a personal friend of Santos Dumont. He was the one who made the 14-Bis engine at the request of the Santos Dumont himself… further proof that Santos Dumont was the true pioneer of aviation.

[@beds1827]

Santos Dumont is recognized in Brazil as the first inventor of the airplane not only because he created an aircraft that could take off on its own, but also because his flight was the first to be publicly verified. He demonstrated it before hundreds of people, including journalists from across Europe. In contrast, the Wright brothers conducted a public flight only years later, using an airplane that required a catapult to launch. Before that, their claimed flights were allegedly conducted in secret, with only a handful of friends as witnesses. In other words, the “scientific evidence” for their achievements boils down to a classic “trust me.” And let’s be fair: if catapult-launched planes count, Otto Lilienthal had already done that in the 19th century. But his invention was simply called a glider.

[@erickbrags]

Yeah, the Wrong Brothers just launched their glider with a slingshot lmao

[@BubbleBFDI]

Wrong brothers 😭😭 in that case shoutout to my man Demônios Dumont for inventing the airplane for real

[@Tkm-bi8gk]

​@@BubbleBFDI...how did your autocorrect get to "demônios Dumont"???

[@Andersonfaaria]

@@Tkm-bi8gk he's actually just repeating the pun "wright" -> "wrong" and "santos" -> "demonios". Antonyms...

[@BubbleBFDI]

@@Andersonfaaria valeu por explicar a piada pra ele

[@DanishWistara]

do people call rails catapults in brazil? I'm confused

[@vladimirvale]

The flight of the Wright brothers is just an anecdote. An American legend. Santos Dumont's self-propelled flight was documented and filmed. But, assuming it is true, they conceived airworthiness (which is not easy either) and Alberto conceived airworthy propulsion. The Wright brothers invented manned gliders, Santos Dumont, the aviation.

[@Samuel-lq7kp]

Gringos will be gringos.

[@Lyncin]

This is still false. Their glider didnt work. There is no replica of it that works. There is no footage that they flew it. There was one, 13 year old witness. For 3 years.

[@fiilisboa]

"to many Brazilians", many, like, all??? "He's largely forgotten", to you, Americans, every city and town in Brazil has a street named after him. In France there are streets and squares named after him. He's the father of aviation! And the sky in São Paulo is larger than anywhere else.

[@AlineDreams]

We also have schools, clubs and several institutions named after him! A true Brazilian hero!

[@vitorhq1]

Well for Americans, there's no such thing as "rest of the world"

[@TiagoSeiler]

"Like an absolute fucking legend" is right. Viva Dumont!

[@markstevenson6635]

I missed the part about his s x life being extraordinary.

[@WillianOrlo]

​@@markstevenson6635 i dont understand, fucking in this context is not like increbile?

[@tiaosemperdao7134]

​@@markstevenson6635S#x life? Dayum

[@sephirotic87]

Not a single replica of the Flyer I (or II ) ever flew. There are no videos or actual proper reports from before 1908. All witnesses reports are questionable. The Brothers weren't the ones to invent a heavier than air controllable aircraft. Their machines did NOT have enough power to sustain flight on its own either WITHOUT A STRONG HEADWIND. An airplane that can only fly with strong headwind is a glider with an ornamental engine. The inefficient chain transmission, underpowered engine and gear ratio spinning at an abysmal slow 490rpm are what made the Flyer's not capable of sustained heavier than air flight. Photograph is not evidence without headwind data. Put a replica of Flyer 1 gaining altitude with zero wind, then we talk.

[@macwilliambasilio4128]

Touche...

[@Oil2024]

Now a days everyone carries a film camera in their pocket but back then things were not so. Film was rare and expensive and, besides, people didn't think about it all the time. Only in these TikTok and Instagram days would people think that video is oh-so-important. The fact that there are no videos or even still photos of something does not immediately mean that it didn't happen.

[@oreomilkshake7632]

​@@Oil2024 no pic no proof

[@markogle9083]

Where are the videos of the Wright brothers.

[@ediliosdd]

@@Oil2024 2 renowned inventors wanting to record their greatest moment, and no one, not even themselves, has a camera to record it? Are you kidding me? come oooooon man!

[@megret1808]

Dumont was seriously badass

[@paulmcgugan4994]

Albert Santos Dumont wanted an accessible time piece to time hi flights while in the air. Henri Cartier made a wrist watch for him. The model was named “The Santos”. Still available today and probably their most popular model. The current design has changed little from the original. Albert stills lives on among the high flying jet set.

[@AndreAs-su3ss]

In fact, with Dummont everything was public, open and documented. To say that the Wright brothers invented the airplane is the same as saying that the Vikings discovered America! In the case of the plane, speculation became history.

[@emylily8266]

Except we have more evidence of vikings landing in america than the wrights fliers funnily enough. Now now, we have to take into consideration that it didnt matter that the vikinga found america first. The "discovery" was only ever eelevant later. Same as Dummonts Demoiselle being much more of the harbinger of aviation than any prior prototype.

[@DanishWistara]

@@emylily8266 the harbinger of aviation could only fly two kilometers when every other flyer around it could fly hundreds

[@marcioaso]

What the W-Bros had after 1 year? SD had the Demoiselle. A front-side propeller model with a directional controlling tail. "The first aircraft of the type was the Santos-Dumont No. 19, which was built in 1907 to attempt to win the Grand Prix d'Aviation offered for a one kilometre closed-circuit flight. Powered by a 15 kW (20 hp) air-cooled Dutheil & Chalmers flat-twin engine mounted on the leading edge of the wing, it had a wingspan of 5.1 m. (16 ft 9 in), was 8 m (26 ft 3 in) long and weighed only 56 kg (123 lb) including fuel. It had a pair of hexagonal rudders below the wing on either side of the pilot, a forward mounted hexagonal elevator in front of the pilot and a cruciform tail which, like the boxkite-style canard surfaces on the earlier 14-bis biplane of 1906, pivoted on a universal joint to function both as elevator and rudder mounted at the end of a substantial single boom. There was no provision for lateral control. The undercarriage consisted of a pair of wheels in front of the pilot and a third behind, supplemented by a tailskid. Santos-Dumont made three flights on 17 November 1907 at Issy-les-Moulineaux. Modified Type 19 Later, Santos-Dumont made a number of modifications: he repositioned the engine, placing it below the wing in front of the pilot, fitted a different propeller and removed the forward elevator and rudders." "Wright brothers"... yeah... right... SD was the real deal, not some patent scammers.

[@ZelphTheWebmancer]

W-Bros? More like L-Bros

[@DanishWistara]

wright flyer I, flyer II, flyer III, wright model A(1907-1909), military flyer (1909), model b(1910-1914), model r(1910), model ex(1911-1912), model c (1912-1913), model D (1912), model ch(1913), model E(1913), model f (1913), model g (1913-1914), model h(1914-1915), model hs(1914-1915), model k (1915), model L (1916), liberty eagle(1918) (fun fact, it was unmanned), aerial coupe (1919). in 1908, Orvile Wright could fly a distance of more than 120km (in public, winning the 1908 Michelin Cup), while in 1909 with the newest iteration of the demoiselle Santos Dumont could only fly 2.

[@marcioaso]

@@DanishWistara so AFTER SD? hum.

[@DanishWistara]

@@marcioaso the wrights made successful flight before santos dumont, I'm just making a comparison of the demoiselle

[@marcioaso]

@@DanishWistara nops. And you should name them Rights Brothers, not Wright Brothers. They were very quick into monetize ideas of others. Again... In ONE YEAR SD had the Demoiselle. All the propelled models from the Wright Brothers came AFTER the Demoseille made it's first flights. And it's well documented that the WB and SD kept contact.

[@pedrojardim2655]

In Brazil we have a popular saying: a catapult is not an airplane

[@cardinalRG]

And a a pineapple is not a squirrel, and a sneeze is not a shoelace, and so on... But so what? A catapult is just one of several methods of takeoff, and its use does not disqualify an aircraft.

[@Hellgazer]

​@@cardinalRGYes it does.

[@cardinalRG]

@@Hellgazer --Feel free to elaborate your claim.

[@missgms7781]

​@@cardinalRG catapult a cow and call it flight, simple! The honework was to make machines that fly on their own and 14 bis did it, and Santos Dummont showed it and shared all the info he discovered or tested or invented instead of hiding it behind shitty patents, meanwhile the Wright Bros couldnt make their invention fly on its own, never showed or let the public document its flight and made a patent over it while Dummont never patented out of genuinely wanting other inventors to try out and make different or better models. Your Wrong Brothers were patent scammers and the USA only let the patent happen without testing and verifying their supposed machine because they were competing industrialy and needed to be the inventors of everything even if it meant creating a hoax, and it led to a delay in american airplane designing cuz the brothers sued everybody who tried to make an actual airplane Oh also, their model cannot fly, people all tried several times to repeat the cake recipe, meanwhile the 14 bis flies flawlessly no matter what happens, coincidence much?

[@picadediamante8492]

Aonde esse ditado? KKKKKKKKKKKKKKKK

[@neilgagarin9331]

Yes, the Wright brothers were disqualified by using a catapult. If it is just a technicality, many guys "invented" the airplane heavier than air before the Wright brothers because they were capable of some flight. Hezârfen Ahmed Çelebi crossed the Bosphorus, from Galata to Constantinople in 1630, using rocket powered wings. If the Wright Brothers catapult is an airplane, thus the airplane inventor is a Turkish guy. There are many other examples... This is the reason why such "technicalities" are important

[@HOI4notsoproplayer]

The catapult was a performance preference not nescessity. Every engineer analysis of for example the flyer states this fact. I am brazillian and i dont deny Drummond massive breakthrough but he cant get a title he wasnt truly responsible, he didint make the first plane, he made the first FAMOUS plane. By using french stuff.

[@cadeomarcio]

@@HOI4notsoproplayer So, the turkish guy won, he is the inventor 🙆‍♂💁‍♂

[@HOI4notsoproplayer]

@cadeomarcio not really. Unlike the flyer, the turkish bro was indeed only a glide, given the short period of time and dependence on gravity and wind. Something the flyer was able to prevent, even if just slightly.

[@neilgagarin9331]

@@HOI4notsoproplayer if the Turkish guy had infinity fuel, he cold fly forever, like any rocket powered plane

[@HOI4notsoproplayer]

@neilgagarin9331 turkish cockroach man is a certified super saiyan

[@wandrescape]

Besides Dumont have invented a lot of super important things, it's not the "Brazilian folk's opinion". It's accepted by many countries. But the "Merikan" Ego is bigger than his achievements.

[@cardinalRG]

Ego drives some of both Americans and Brazilians, friend, as well as advocates in New Zealand, India, Germany and other nations whose native sons lay claim to having flown first. It is not exclusively a "'Merican" thing. There are also sensible, objective people in those places too. Why not set aside nationalistic arguments altogether, and make a technical argument instead?

[@wandrescape]

@cardinalRG not my opinion. The whole world never told all these countries are egocentric and pretentious. But it is a fundamental basis of usarian personality and ideology to be diagustingly arrogant, pretentious and egocentric. Read again: it is a global perception.

[@ediliosdd]

@@cardinalRG It seems like the comment affected YOUR EGO.... come on duuuude!

[@cardinalRG]

@@ediliosdd --There is no self refence inmy comment, nor self-benefit, nor self-gratification...so how could it be about my ego in any way?

[@HOI4notsoproplayer]

Actually no. The Wright brothers were the first to make a functioning plane, sure it only takes off by a kitty hawk system but still its a airplane. Drummond helped ALOT on the technology but he wasnt the first to make it. Its not american ego, its french ego, as Drummond used frengh engineer support, french equipament and flew in Paris. Guess why he is more famous?

[@mariliaribas]

I had an excellent physics teacher in high school. In our 1st year, he started a project with all the classes with the objective of building a replica (a smaller one) of the 14-bis and finishing it with us until our last year. On our graduation, he made the thing fly. It was amazing!

[@mtrivelin]

It seems youtubers discovered Santos-Dumont, doesn't it? It's good to know that our story is being publicized, whether through genuine interest or through clicks. Anyway, this isn't the first time I've mentioned this in these recent videos about our hero-inventor-pioneer, so I'll summarize: As already said, there are many inventors who collaborated in the creation of the airplane, who came before and after the Wright Brothers and Santos-Dumont. We can say that the Wrights invented the airplane by taking off with their flying contraption, with or without the help of a catapult, but it is a fact that they hid this from the public for a long time and wanted to patent and sell their invention. Santos Dumont, on the other hand, always made all the plans for his inventions available to the public, free of charge. We can conclude that if the Wright Brothers were the (secret) inventors of the airplane, Santos Dumont was the Father of Aviation, due to his generous personality and effort in spreading knowledge without charging anything for it. At least that's what I believe.

[@fwmlp]

By using a catapult you can make even a boulder fly.

[@Pedrogog]

Wright brothers invented shit. They tried to copy Dumont and failed.

[@tatsuyas.drakensang4826]

​@@fwmlp not by 30 and something kilometers lolol

[@aedes947]

@@tatsuyas.drakensang4826 Their only proof of it was "trust me, bro". Santos Dumont did it in front of hundreds of people.

[@grudgebearer1404]

​@@tatsuyas.drakensang4826yes we fucking can make things that aren't planes fly over 30 km by giving them external propulsion. Don't try too hard those mental gymnastics to justify the wright bros failure.

[@birgitfenzl3376]

The 23rd October is Day of Aviation here in Brazil because of the first flight with the 14-Bis on 1906 in Paris.

[@vidal9747]

And the first real airplane flight ever

[@teenagestacker6063]

I remember learning about Dumont when I was looking into watches, his story was so incredible I just couldn’t get over it! F*cking legend

[@itsjonesh]

Here in Brazil, we have a tome of heroes where we scribe the names of every single brazillian that has amply contributed to our country, be it at the sciencies, defending us or as a leader, and that is the Steel Book. As the name implies, it's a book made interely out of steel. And Alberto Santos Dumont's name sits there proudly as our number 10. Guy was a legitimate badass. He opened most (if not all) of his patents to the public domain because he believed that technology and it's benefits were a fundamental human right and should be avaiable to everyone.

[@_tripalong]

I'm from Rio and I've never heard of this book. Sounds awesome! Where is it located?

[@itsjonesh]

@@_tripalong It's on Brasilia. Alvorada's Palace, I believe. I think there's guided tours where you can see the Steel Book (among other relics).

[@_tripalong]

@@itsjonesh nice! I'll make sure to check it out when I visit Brasilia :)

[@emhl]

The Wrigh Brothers were the "First to fly", but Santos-Dumont is truly the "Father of aviation" because it is the Demoiselle, not the Flyer or the 14bis which is the forefather of all airplanes today. The Flyer and the 14bis used the Cannard configuration (rudders and elevators on front), which was utterly unstable and dangerous. The Wright bros. wanted to continue development in this config. whereas Dumont abandoned it shortly after the 14bis flights. One of the Wright bros. died in 1912 in a crash and the other was severely injured because of this. The Demoiselle is the basis of all airplanes today, not to mention it took off and landed by itself, whereas the Wright brothers never wanted to abandon the catapult system.

[@cardinalRG]

Neither Orville nor Wilbur Wright died in a crash. In addition, the first Wright aircraft did not use a catapult, nor did the later Wright aircraft.

[@Coyote27981]

So much wrong information there ... that i'm amazed you actually wrote the names correctly.

[@DK-hs3oz]

The Canard was a safety device for the wrights, taking the brunt of damage from many a poor landing. (Aviators died while developing their airplanes, this was not lost of the Wrights.) Wilber Wright proved the Flyer could take off on it's skids in 1908 shortly after his first demonstration flight. A catapult made sense if you fly from rough non level prairie. The WB Flyer has 2 rudders, one behind each propeller. (NOT in front). When demonstrated in 1908 in France nearly 5 years after their first flight. the Wright Flyer was the first airplane in France to achieve controlled, coordinated flight.

[@kensummers7757]

Wrong. The Flyer had rear rudders. Wrong. Forward carnards actually made the Flyer safer as the front wing stalled before the mains. Wrong. The Wrights eventually used wheels….

[@jonathanj.7344]

Wilbur Wright died of typhoid fever in 1912.

[@clive373]

I read somewhere he was called "the father of aerial navigation". Love the idea of flying to a bar in down town Paris.

[@AfonsoBucco]

yep, he used some of his little powered balloons as rich people do with Helicopters in busy cities today. Balloons are more vulnerable to the wind than helicopters, but they were pretty more silent, and could be "parked" everywhere just tied in a pole like a person would do with a horse. To make that lots of pressure valves had to be implemented. And Santos Dumont implemented them in way in certain conditions it automatically corrected the pressure.

[@LucianoSilvaOficial]

Santos Dumont used the Deimoselle dayly to comute for 1 year and share its design because he truly believed that the airplane would integrate mankind breaking all geographic barriers. He was committed to give the man the means to fly and he achieved it.

[@bernardohoffmann1258]

0:30 Santos Dumont is definitely not forgotten today

[@andreluismansurdearaujo9870]

Have you noticed that modern airplanes have little resemblance with the Wright Brothers aircraft? Actualy, it was the Demoisele that set the standard for airplanes configuration as we know today, not the 14 Bis, or the Wright Flyer.

[@leonardospinola926]

Ou, nestas outras palavras dele mesmo (do seu livro "O que eu vi, o que nós veremos", de 1918): "No ano seguinte (1907), o aeroplano Farman fez vôos que se tornaram célebres; foi esse inventor-aviador que primeiro conseguiu um vôo de ida e volta. Depois dele veio Blériot, e só dois anos mais tarde é que os irmãos Wright fazem os seus vôos. É verdade que eles dizem ter feito outros, porém às escondidas. Eu não quero tirar em nada o mérito dos irmãos Wright, por quem tenho a maior admiração; mas é inegável que, só depois de nós, se apresentaram eles com um aparelho superior aos nossos, dizendo que era cópia de um que tinham construído antes dos nossos. Logo depois dos irmãos Wright, aparece Levavasseur com o aparelho Antoinette, superior a tudo quanto, então, existia; Levavasseur havia já 20 anos que trabalhava em resolver o problema do vôo; pode-se, pois, dizer que o seu aparelho era cópia de outro construído muitos anos antes. Mas não o fez. O que diriam Thomas A. Edison, Graham Bell ou Guillermo Marconi se, depois que apresentaram em público a lâmpada elétrica, o telefone e o telégrafo sem fios, um outro inventor se apresentasse com uma melhor lâmpada elétrica, telefone ou telégrafo sem fios, dizendo que os tinha construído antes deles !? A quem a humanidade deve a navegação aérea pelo mais pesado que o ar? As experiêcias dos irmãos Wright feitas às escondidas (eles são os próprios a dizer que fizeram todo o possível para que não transpirasse nada dos resultados de suas experiências) e que estavam tão ignoradas no mundo, que vemos todos qualificarem os meus 250 metros de ‘minuto memorável na história da aviação'; ou é aos Farman, Blériot e a mim, que fizemos todas as nossas demonstrações diante de comissões científicas e em plena luz do sol?" Or, in these other words of his own (from his book "What I saw, what we will see", from 1918): "The following year (1907), the Farman airplane made flights that became famous; it was this inventor-aviator who first managed a round trip flight. After him came Blériot, and it was only two years later that the Wright brothers made their flights. I don't want to take anything away from the Wright brothers, for whom I have the greatest admiration; but it is undeniable that, only after us, they presented themselves with a device superior to ours, saying that it was a copy of one they had built before ours. Soon after the Wright brothers, Levavasseur appears with the Antoinette device, superior to everything that existed at the time; Levavasseur had been working on solving the problem of flight for 20 years; It can therefore be said that his device was a copy of one built many years earlier. But he didn't. What would Thomas A. Edison, Graham Bell or Guillermo Marconi say if, after presenting the electric light bulb, the telephone and the wireless telegraph in public, another inventor presented himself with a better electric light bulb, telephone or wireless telegraph, saying who had built them before them!? To whom does humanity owe its heavier-than-air aerial navigation? The Wright brothers' experiments carried out in secret (they themselves say that they did everything possible so that nothing of the results of their experiments leaked) and which were so ignored in the world, that we see everyone calling my 250 meters a 'minute' memorable in the history of aviation'; or is it to Farman, Blériot and me, who did all our demonstrations in front of scientific committees and in full sunlight?"

[@WillianOrlo]

O brasileiro francês era pika

[@kurtwaldheim4048]

The Demoiselle was an insane level of improvement over the previous aircraft.

[@markstevenson6635]

What sort of treatment was there for such insanity in those days?

[@kurtwaldheim4048]

@@markstevenson6635 Lol, that was hilarious, I cannot deny that.

[@martinishot]

The improvement was accepting that propeller and wing specifications, flight controls must be that of the Wright brothers. That way a crosswind is not suddenly controling the flight. No more having a moving boxkite sticking out the front of the plane.

[@awyeagames]

Santos Dumont also invented the wrist watch. The dude was on fire!

[@kronicky]

professor! o senhor por aqui!! XD

[@awyeagames]

@kronicky kkkkk e ae

[@mikhailbakunin8334]

Santos Dumont asked his friend Cartier to create the wrist watch.

[@ManoelAraujo-db9rf]

The first time I see a non-Brazilian talking about Santos Dumont. I'm Brazilian myself and when I learned English I was shocked that all the other people in the world not only thought the Wright brothers invented the airplane but didn't know Santos Dumont at all. When we're kids we learn on Brazilian books that Santos Dumont was the inventor of the airplane and took his life after seeing his invention being used in war.

[@cardinalRG]

As a non-Brazilian and someone who's spent decades in the aviation community, I can attest that many people outside of Brazil know who Santos-Dumont was. Perhaps not so many outside of aviation, but among airplane aficionados like me, many do. But you shouldn't be surprised that the Wrights are better known, if only because first-time achievements are typically better remembered than those that came afterward.

[@johnsonrodrigues7407]

​@@cardinalRGthis must to be a joke

[@cardinalRG]

@@johnsonrodrigues7407 --To which comment are you referring, please...the original poster's or my response to it?

[@johnsonrodrigues7407]

@@cardinalRG "if only because first-time achievements are typically better remembered" this is parcially true, but in this context i think is unfare, to say the least. US is a cultural power, the stories that they sell have much more projection than anyone else and the motives vary, but the result is the same. If the situation was inverted the "irmãos wright" would be damned, "Saint-dumont" would be the unconsteted father of aviation around the globe and this is it. This isn't direct related, but for example in my country the most watched movies are the americans, our cinema doesn't recieve its value, and is here, in the country itself.. The only crime that dumont commited was been born in the wrong place, nothing more. My english is very poor because i'm begginer and brazilian, as you may have known, but i hope that isn't unreadable

[@cardinalRG]

@@johnsonrodrigues7407 --Thank you for the clarification, and your English is just fine, very readable. I regard your characterization of the US’ projection power as overstated in the balance, when weighed against the ability of Brazil, through its own media and especially its education system, to make a captive of this historical topic and teach a narrative of its preference. All nations do this, and to assume that the Brazilian consensus about the primacy of Santos-Dumont is any less biased than that of any other nations for their own native claimants, is naïve. For me, the only worthwhile debate is among people who approach the topic objectively, and I’ve found a higher percentage of those people in the aviation community than elsewhere. Most of those opinions for which I can account, including my own, hold that the Wrights flew before Santos-Dumont. For that and other reasons, it’s reasonable for me to state that opinion as my premise, while still acknowledging that other people, such as you, disagree with it. In other words, I speak for an informed opinion that may be accurate or not, but which is not a product of US-dominated propaganda. Frankly, I think that introducing nationalism into this technical, historical topic at all only hinders any effective reckoning of it. The achievements of Santos-Dumont and the Wrights were the achievements of individuals, not nations anyway, and no Brazilian or American alive today shares any credit for them. The Brazil-versus-US squabbling is driven by false pride, and it demeans the legacies of all three men.

[@alexsf4248]

History is written by the winners. I was touched by the comment that a photo of Santos Dumont at the Smithsonian is at dark corner as the only mention of one of the Fathers of Aviation. The impetus to be the first eclipse the reality that more often than not inventions come about from the aggregate efforts of multiple minds.

[@Lucaz99]

YES! Both Santos, the Wrights, Adler and many many others contributed to heavier-than-air flight. Who actually managed to fly a couple meters of the ground first isn't even that noteworthy but humanity loves their idols. I will say however that while the Wrights actively sought to claim to be the first, Santos-Dumont did it because he had an incredible passion for aviation and as far as I can tell never pursued this for fame and is remembered by many still today. He was a delicate and loving soul who was tormented by the fact his ideas and inventions started being commonly used in warfare. In fact, this along with depression and/or bipolar disease led to his death by his own hands.

[@sensaiko]

Well, it's the Smithsonian, what did you expect?

[@joao_kula_01]

I am a journalist and two years ago I witnessed the successful demonstration of a teleportation machine by two brother inventors in the interior of my country. They do not want to show their invention yet because they are afraid that it will be copied. Would you believe that?

[@ericacaa]

Nope 😂

[@RTPJu]

I am one of the brothers and choose a YT comment reply to say that this story is true

[@luis303]

​@@RTPJu😂😂 good point.

[@anywhoyt]

The Wrights' patent for the airplane was granted in May of 1906. Dumont's first successful flight was in October of 1906. Simple math, really. The Wrights had hours of controlled flight under their belts by the time Dumont was lifting off in his flying box kite.

[@RTPJu]

@@anywhoyt I can file a patent for whatever I want and it doesn't need to work

[@tonyb4773]

You can see a Demoiselle fly at the Shuttleworth collection in the UK, alongside a Bleriot monoplane and other ‘Edwardian’ aircraft.

[@AbelMcTalisker]

Strictly speaking, it's a replica built in the 1960s for a film. It is however a good replica of the model 20 "production model" of 1908 of which something like 50 were built by various people as Dumont made the plans available for free. Also in the Shuttleworth collection is a Blackburn Monoplane which is a still functional aircraft from 1912.

[@DanteMoraes]

It's impressive how you put all the history on the table even though does leave the impression that you have some bias. I think the demoiselle is the ultimate proof that Dummont should be more credited as the inventor of the plane, not only is a machine which the current prototypes actually take flight without trails (unlike some brother's), but it's also the machine that resembles the most the design that current planes still follows

[@bearcb]

Neither the Wright's Flyer nor the 14bis started the aviation industry. The Flyer twisted the wings for steering, the 14bis used boxes as wings, both solutions were dead ends. The machine that kickstarted the industry was Dumont's Demoiselle. As the video said, hundreds were made, and based on it Louis Bleriot designed the first commercial production of the airplane that crossed the English Channel in 1909.

[@martinishot]

Wing warping was not a dead end. Others just discovered that only specific parts of a wing have to move and they can avoid the patent.

[@UmEditorMarxista]

A charriot is not a car. A glider is not a plane

[@JorgeDaCapadócia-u8u]

Companheiro?

[@Vitor0101F]

Chora mais comuna do qi 60. O avião dos irmãos era capaz de voar sem a tal "catapulta", mesmo com esse fato, até hoje em dia os caças do exército usam propulsão externa em alguns casos.

[@Salt-UNDER_LINE]

@@JorgeDaCapadócia-u8u Camarada?

[@EduardoDistassi]

Catapult amunition is not a plane

[@justgabiyt]

camarada 🫡

[@luisluis1170]

he is a genius.... yes.... he invented the airplane.... yes, a great man and great to all.

[@andreybiz4789]

Not many brasilians would say Dumont invented the airplane, All brasilians would say it

[@HOI4notsoproplayer]

No, every single brazillian who studied the aspect says Drummond was the father of the technology, not the one to make it first. The Wright brothers did in fact make the first place. I recommend pinhel's shorts

[@kuromoriofi]

@@HOI4notsoproplayer no, unless the plain started alone, fly alone, and landed alonecis not a plan, wright plain only glided,

[@HOI4notsoproplayer]

@mateussoares3569 no? Thats N the definition of a plane. Besides the Wright plane didint enter the category of glide by the time it maintained it self on air without losing altitude

[@kamiwriterleonardo6345]

​@@HOI4notsoproplayerNo one should use SHORTS as their source of knowledge.

[@HOI4notsoproplayer]

@kamiwriterleonardo6345 lol the dude provided 3 different sources why exacly shouldnt i trust a dude well respected in the histoey and scientific community of the whole Internet?

[@scientech7906]

In the words of Santos-Dumont himself, from his manuscript The Mechanical Man (1929): I cannot help but be profoundly astonished by this absurd claim. It is inexplicable that the Wright brothers could have carried out numerous flights over three and a half years without a single journalist from the sharp-sighted American press bothering to witness them and produce the greatest report of the time. Dans les mots mêmes de Santos-Dumont, tirés de son manuscrit L'Homme Mécanique (1929) : Je ne peux m’empêcher d’être profondément stupéfait par cette revendication absurde. Il est incompréhensible que les frères Wright aient pu réaliser de nombreux vols pendant trois ans et demi sans qu'un seul journaliste de la perspicace presse américaine n’ait pris la peine de les observer et de produire le plus grand reportage de l'époque.

[@danielrodriguespinto5318]

The Wright brothers invented the Angry Birds, not the plane.

[@Rodrigo_Silveira]

Even if you consider the Slingshot duo the creators of the plane, Santos Dumont was rich as fuck bro, so he didnt patented shit cause he didnt needed the money, which contributed HUGELY for the aviation industry, as anybody could copy and improve his work. He is much more deserving of the title "aviation father"

[@davidgbf]

Santos Dumont committed suicide on July 23, 1932, at the Hotel de La Plage in Guarujá, on the coast of São Paulo. For many years, it was rumored that the disgust of seeing his invention used as a powerful instrument of destruction led him to kill himself. In fact, the inventor always regretted seeing the airplane causing so many deaths in the war, although he suggested its military use for observation. What is known today is that Dumont seemed to have serious depression, never properly diagnosed and treated.

[@clivestainlesssteelwomble7665]

His Heart was removed and preserved in a glass urn held in a silver lattice frame. It is guarded by a formal guard at the HQ of the Brazilian Air force. Having read the book On the wings of madness ...the story of his life, it struck me he could almost be the inspiration for David Bowie's The man who fell to Earth.

[@heisenberg4330]

He gave bail out

[@danielgay1772]

Regardless of anything else this man is a human hero for pushing the limits of what humans knew where possible at the time

[@cardinalRG]

I have tremendous admiration for the man and his achievements. Plus, he had such _panache._ Imagine typing up your airship outside of the restaurant you've gone to for lunch!

[@arthurfunk3104]

When you mention the Wright brothers, why do you keep showing Glenn Curtis's airplane?

[@comosdedos]

Cause the Wright's catapultplane doesn't look as cool, maybe.

[@Coyote27981]

@@comosdedos You mean like the Wright Model B from 1910?

[@Rasfa]

😁

[@TamissonReis]

​@@Coyote27981We have footages of 1906 14Bis...

[@Catto_Ninja]

Because Wrong Brother's "plane" is lame AF

[@luizaguiar5741]

As a brazilian I thank you to help inforn the actual feneration how brilliant Alberto Santos Dumont was and how amazing was his drive to share knowledge instead of wrapped under redtape. If have time try our flying priest, Bartolomeu de Gusmão, who flew with ballond around 1713. Best regards!

[@Dr4wfox]

As a brazillian, I don't care if he was really the first or not, Im really proud how he helped people and shared the airplane plans to everyone. That shows how he was trully passionate about flying.

[@awyeagames]

Santos Dumont is the father of modern aviation, inventor of the airplane! Thank you for this video!

[@TodayIFoundOut]

Thanks! :-)

[@Red_Linkk]

PROFESSOR VC AQ?

[@awyeagames]

@Red_Linkk kkkkk olá

[@WillianOrlo]

​@@Red_Linkk role loko kkkkkkkk

[@Marcos-bo6vi]

Until the beginning of the 2000s most of Europe still credited Santos-Dumont as the inventor of the airplane; things only changed after the european economic dependency on the USA skyrocketed due to 9/11 and the 2008 crash.

[@osmariobrito8528]

As coisas mudaram quando perceberam que é possível enganar muitas pessoas criando vídeos desonestos como esse aí. As gerações mais novas desprezam a história e só olham para dinheiro e imagem e como os eua são bons enganar esse tipo de gente com propaganda, estão até agora tentando diminuir o grande feito do brasileiro.

[@geraldoribeirofilho]

Thank you. I am from Brasil and yes he created the first true honest airplane. And the Smithsonian museum has just a small picture of him in a shadow corner. What to expect from a museum dedicated to the fans of Zachary Smith from lost in space. By the way, if look for truth check a priest called Landel de Moura and invention of the radio waves communication. Patented in us. Check it. Worth.

[@anthonyC214]

The first airport in Rio is named after him

[@carlosfranco1385]

Santos Dumont deffinitely invented the Airplane.

[@cardinalRG]

In my view, no individual or even pair of brothers invented the airplane, but that it resulted from the work of many.

[@Coyote27981]

He had no control of rol, a basic axis you need for an airplane. The Wright brothers where the first to achive all criteria for what you would consider an airplane, many achieved many of the basic parts before ... but they didnt have all the basics until the Wrights.

[@mikeyKnows_]

No he did not

[@carlosfranco1385]

@mikeyKnows_ americans always will say so...

[@cardinalRG]

@@carlosfranco1385 --There are biased individuals among Americans AND Brazilians, not to mention New Zealanders, Indians, French and British. In fact, to frame this technical topic in nationalistic terms at all, as you've done, reflects a certain bias. The accomplishments of Santos-Dumont, the Wrights and other early aviation pioneers were the accomplishments of individuals, not countries anyway. All the nationalistic squabbling is false pride,

[@andreborges2881]

Wrights used a catapult. Catapulted, even a cow with wings could fly.

[@cardinalRG]

The 1903 Wright Flyer did not use a catapult, nor did the 1904 Flyer initially. The Wrights' later use of a catapult was a performance preference anyway, not a necessity. It allowed operation from poor surfaces and confined spaces, such as the soft dunes of Kittyhawk and the hummocky, tree-lined Huffman Prairie, places where Santos-Dumont's aircraft likely couldn't have operated at all. Consider, too, that the catapulted Flyers needed about 60 feet for takeoff, while the 14-bis required more than ten times that distance (200 meters). The Wright Flyers could take off unassisted, just using more takeoff roll.

[@mikeyKnows_]

Let's see you make a cow fly.... 🤡

[@AfonsoBucco]

@@cardinalRG allegedly

[@raflhpg]

@@cardinalRG chora gringo

[@cardinalRG]

@@raflhpg --I'm not a gringo, you fool. The fact that you (wrongly) stereotyped me only reveals your own bias. An open-minded view of this historical topic isn't about race or nationality. Open your mind, friend.

[@facbl]

I'm brazilian. There is a replica of this first plane named "14 Bis" and it flight! Try find a vídeo named " Voo inedito da esquadrilha da fumaça com a replica do 14 bis "

[@Coyote27981]

And what you do in a 14 Bis to control roll?

[@facbl]

@@Coyote27981 search here on YT by "Voo do 14 bis" is possible to see how to control. The pilot almost wear the craft. The "controls" are rope tied at his body.

[@AfonsoBucco]

@@facbl that replica is great, the truly original public project, basically all the original materials. And it flies. The guy says the only problem with the 14 Bis is the "excess of lift". Basically its aerodynamics makes lift at very low speed. It makes sense once even today double wings are still used in planes that need to be slow. The engine is another problem. The original one, a 50 hp V8 Pegeout is too expensive to maintain. So in most demonstrations the guy uses a modern LESS POWERED one, something like 37hp. But he said the original one can also fly.

[@facbl]

@AfonsoBucco i saw the 14 bis replica personaly and saw flying sometimes! They only fly if the wind is very slow. A wind blow can shake the replica and is very hard to control. Once it fall during a show and took time to repair !

[@JoaoOliveira-mi6qs]

Alberto Santos Dumont was one of the great pioneers of aviation, standing out for his improvement in the maneuverability of balloons and combustion engines, and later in aircraft. He built the first aircraft to leave the ground under its own power, validated by the public and the press. He demonstrated in practice the modern concept of flight, with controlled takeoff, lift, control and landing. He also deserves the merit of having made his aeronautical works freely available to all humanity, since his dream was the integration of peoples through the air.

[@anibalbarbosa]

The question of who truly invented the airplane is a central debate between Alberto Santos-Dumont and the Wright brothers. Historically, the Wrights achieved successful flights in 1903 with their Flyer, but it required a catapult for takeoff, raising questions about the aircraft’s autonomy. In contrast, Santos-Dumont's 14-Bis, flown in 1906 in Paris, was the first flight recorded and approved by the Fédération Aéronautique Internationale (FAI) as an autonomous takeoff without external launch mechanisms. This event made it the first publicly recognized flight by the FAI. Santos-Dumont also contributed significantly to aviation with the Demoiselle, the first aircraft to be mass-produced and later used to train pilots during World War I. Unlike the Wright brothers, who patented their inventions, Santos-Dumont openly shared his designs, driven by the belief that his innovations should benefit the world rather than generate profit. This openness allowed others in aviation to adapt and improve upon his designs, further advancing the global aviation industry. Thus, while the "first flight" distinction may go to the Wrights, Santos-Dumont's public demonstrations and open approach earned him a lasting role as a true pioneer and "father of aviation."

[@fernandogutemberg261]

When I was an exchange student in the US i actualy got in a "fight" with the world history teacher over this issue. And his logical conclusioh was " here in america it was the writgh brothers"

[@LucianoSilvaOficial]

The Fundamental idea of how the airplane should work was described by George Calley around 1804. First heavier than air flight was perfomed by Gustav Whitehead in 1901, his airplane was reconstructed from drawings by students from a college and it flies, but didn't had a rudder or other control surface for steering control. Altough there are many witnesses reports including newspaper from that time, there is no photage from his first flight. The Flyer was able to flight but couldn't takeoff by its own means and its first flight never could be reproduced in the same conditions. 14 Bis was the first airplane capable of takeoff by its own means, fully controlable, with photografic evidence and with its first flight was perfomed in public.

[@et1161]

The first performing airplane was the Demoiselle, not the14- Bis, nor the Wright planes. 1908.

[@acics]

Agree. The first heavier than the air was the glider of Jean-Marie Le Bris in 1856. He had proven control of it, even being pulled all the time by a horse 🤷, that is the true, so the subject moved to the flight without external traction, then appears the glider of John Joseph Montgomery in 1883 pulled and released from hills and later dropped from balloons, so the challenge was no more the gliding flight of heavier than air, but the ability to pull or push itself on air with its own power, so came the Wright bros, and their engine, but that was not enough strong for that weight, and needed a catapult or a favourable and strong frontal wind to take off like the gliders of Montgomery, very well, so the subject moved to the taking off with its own power, Dumont did with the 14bis, but it was good to take off and land itself in a straight flight, intended to the objective, that was to win the challenge of the Aéro-Club de France award, so it could only make extremely wide curves, and then the subject moved to the ability to do curves... All of these discussions about "airplane inventor" is nonsense. The airplane was a dream to fly, that evolved by the work of many, until became a reality. All of those aviation pioneers were focused in the challenge itself, and in making an useful and viable machine. Indeed Dumont has 2 merits: First one. He did the first viable flying machine with the Demoiselle, and this one was a real useful airplane. He used it as a transport way, travelling with it to visiting friends out of the city where he could safe landing. Second merit. In a era when everyone wanted to get rich by making patents, he was really the first of all, because he left his drawings free for anyone to copy, to build and to improve, so he created what could be called the first open-source project. Demoiselle also can be recognized as the first commercial airplane to be made, because in an Dumont agreement with Clément-Bayard owner of the Bayard Car Company, the Demoiselle was produced and sold more than 100 planes, but after that, Dumont lost the interest in the project and abandoned the partnership and developed interest in Astronomy, anyway that design evolved by itself in the hands of others like Blériot, Junkers, Curtiss, etc. No wonder the beautiful and good ultralight (ultralight is a concept that appeared many decades after when the planes became to be really heavy) was a project that inspired the airplane shape for many decades ahead.

[@BaDoomTss-j3y]

A obvious thing that lots of people were trying build at the same time. The discussion is kinda like unix wars.

[@lesliefranklin1870]

The Wright brothers flew in 1903.

[@EversonBernardes]

@@lesliefranklin1870 "flew"

[@matheusexpedito4577]

​@@lesliefranklin1870Ah yes the trust us bro incident

[@jesuscristo6854]

With a slingshot, even a rock can be an airplane

[@agranero6]

Important to say Santos-Dumont never claimed to have invented the airplane or considered himself as an inventor. He considered himself as an sportsman and adventurer. He wrote that he created his heavier than air because with the one of just one of hist lighter than air airships he could make heavier than air for years. It must be noted that his first plane the 14-bis had no ailerons and he himself described the flight as "an accident under control". His second flight he adapted ailerons and created a weird control contraption sewing a broomstick on hist shoulders of his suit. It was a complete disaster. He mentions he was inspired to make airplanes by the works of some French Doctor that the name escapes me and he was never worried about who invented what. The controls we know today are much more similar to the Wright Brothers' method of control. But we can say he in fact invented open source: he wanted to popularize flight. After 14-bis flight he created a much better ultralight he called Demoiselle, this was a real plane and very safe and cheap monoplace one: he made the plans public so anyone could make one. A company began to mass produce them and they became popular: people used to go to the country with them the same way he used. In a sense he git what he wanted make flight popular. I am avoiding the "who invented" question as I think no one alone did it: I love the Encarta Encyclopedia approach to it: it has a list of about 20 names and who contributed what to airplanes development. The more interesting and important thing about Santos-Dumont was his character: he crashed an hotel with his airship and commanded from there hanging on the wall his own rescue, he was visiting friends that lost his cook just before a party and ordered his butler to make the food and when he refused he fired him and made the food for the party himself, getting the butler back one month later, he had lunch and dinner on a suspended table with the butler serving the food with a specially made stick, to get used to being hanging on an airship. Think of him as Tony Stark without the women. He committed suicide after trying twice being saved by his nephew: he had multiple sclerosis, but several members of his family also committed suicide. Brazilian biographies repeat the legend that he killed himself after seeing the airplanes being used in Brazilian Revolution of 32 (the year he died), but he had tried before it. Other biographies avoid talking about it as a tabu. The bet biography I read of him (of about 6 I've read) was one written by a RAF Officer. He had though a resentment about USA: once when he went to a competition of airplanes in USA when his planes was opened form the boxes to be assembles it was destroyed, being sabotaged. Other resentment was when he was already sick he mounted a small astronomic observatory in France and he was arrested and interrogated by French authorities for possibly being an spy during WWI, lets remember that he was a hero in France as much a a cinema star or famous sportsman are today. This made him very sad. When he returned to Brazil he was received as a hero with thousands of people waiting for him in ships along the way. And no he didn't invent the wristwatch: women already used them, he just created a model for his use in planes that he asked to his friend Cartier to make and in his typical way let him produce and sell without charging anything, this model is made to this day by Cartier and Dumont in Brazil. PS yes I am Brazilian.

[@rogeriopenna9014]

While 14-BIS had no ailerons in 1906, the Flyer I and Flyer II don´t even have credible evidence of flight until 1908.

[@agranero6]

@@rogeriopenna9014 Way before Santos Dumont had a system of control that could really control the airplane Orville took his plane to Paris and circulated Eifell tower for hours. The fact tht they made their flight in the middle of nowhere to a few country farmers and not in Paris is the only difference. Even Demoiselle that wss the best plane of Santos-Dumont used a system of control almost identical to tbe Wright brothers. I am Brazilian but I won't ignore a enormous amiunt of evidence and the most hideous fact that almost all Brazilian biographies of him hide: this instead of paying homage to him taint his legacy that is wider than of Wright brothers despite os his contribution to aviation if you consider only the control systems to be smaller. It is wider because he was one of those rare greater than life people. We don't need to lie to praise him. And he could not be less intetested in being the "inventor of the airplane". PS a honorable mention for the comic style bio Santô e os pais da aviação that offer a much more balanced account of facts even being a fictional account.

[@rogeriopenna9014]

@@agranero6 dates. What you mean way before? WHEN was the flight around the Eiffel tower? And having perfected a control system before Santos Dumont (or not) doesn't mean they took flight before. And THAT lacks sufficient evidence I can't say they didn't. I can say the evidence is small AND quite sketchy. And I will say again, what exact replica of Flyer I or Ii was able to fly? Maybe there was. I don't remember finding when I tried some years ago

[@agranero6]

@@rogeriopenna9014 Dozen of witnesses one being a journalist is enough for me. Read some biographies not written by Brazilians to get out of the echo chamber the best one is Santos-Dumont Retrato de uma Obsessão by Peter Wykeham, a Britton that ironically is obsessed by Santos-Dumont they are disgustingly biased and ignore the zeitgeist and what was happening at that time. Santos-Dumont would be ashamed being the gentleman he was. Unfortunately this bio is out of print for decades but can be found at used book shops by a hefty price.

[@agranero6]

@@rogeriopenna9014 Besides most real Brazilian historians agree with me.

[@catalinfpgaguru112]

Alberto Santos-Dumont conducted his first officially observed powered flight on October 23, 1906, in France. During this flight, his 14-bis aircraft flew approximately 60 meters at a height of two to three meters. Traian Vuia made his first flight on March 18, 1906. During this flight, his Vuia 1 airplane lifted off the ground at Montesson, France, reaching a height of about one meter and covering a distance of approximately 12 meters before landing. As far as I know these were the first self propelled flights (without the assistance of a catapult or sliding downhill).

[@parkerengines]

Wright flights at Huffman Prairie in mid 1904 were on flat ground, and they didn't start using the catapult until Sept of that year.

[@ErickSoares3]

@@parkerengines But it is possible to proof that they did it?

[@parkerengines]

@@ErickSoares3 The photographs, eye witnesses, log books, and surviving planes are pretty good proof

[@BaldGuy-Marketing]

@catalinfpgaguru112, if you are trying to say Santos-Dumont or Vuia achieved flight before the Wrights I suggest you should watch Greg’s airplanes and automobiles before you say anything else. I look forward to hearing your debate with Greg. Keith Besherse

[@catalinfpgaguru112]

All I am trying to say is that Vuia achieved flight before Santos Dumont

[@jrgslvds666]

As a Brazilian I must thank you for such a heartfelt video!

[@nahmend6987]

Portuguese here🇵🇹 And YES! I believe Santos -Dumont and Brasil are to be granted recognition for the 1st airplane invention! It was Brasil!🇧🇷✝️💪

[@yomeiko]

Santos Dumont is DEFINITELY not forgotten in Brazil, at all. We have plenty of places, monuments, inventions, all having his namesake. He was a great historical figure for us, and him and his 14 Bis plane are easily recognized by almost everyone. We learn about him in school. He and his invention are included in various famous national pieces of fiction. Brazil had plenty of amazing historical figures. You just need to take the time to look into them.

[@cardinalRG]

I agree that "forgotten" is a wholly inappropriate word to describe Santos-Dumont, even in places other than Brazil.

[@ricardinhofranca]

The 14 Bis was an actual airplane, it took off of the floor by itself (by the pilot 😅), it was self propeled. What the Wright brothers made is closer to a hang glider than a plane. If its motor doesn't lift it from the ground , its not an airplane. Lets not forget that, at the time, the US, thought it important to show how they were on the edge of invention. If the Wright Brothers invented the airplane, by the same reasoning, Meucci invented the phone before Graham Bell. But of course, thry couldn't give this honor to an Italian immigrant. Plus the fact that the Wright Brothers did their flight on a desert beach with no credible witnesses, and only did a public presentation in 1908, while Dumont had his in Paris for all to see. I'm not even discussing if there was someone before that that should be credited with the invention, but surely not the Wright brothers

[@Lukadsgr]

Isso é obvio, mas a galera parece que gosta de se fazer de idiota....

[@cardinalRG]

The 1903 Wright Flyer did not use a catapult, nor did the 1904 Flyer initially. The Wrights' later use of a catapult was a performance preference anyway, not a necessity. It allowed operation from poor surfaces and confined spaces, such as the soft dunes of Kittyhawk and the hummocky, tree-lined Huffman Prairie, places where Santos-Dumont's aircraft likely couldn't have operated at all. Consider, too, that the catapulted Flyers needed about 60 feet for takeoff, while the 14-bis required more than ten times that distance (200 meters). The Wright Flyers could take off unassisted, just using more takeoff roll.

[@cadeomarcio]

@@cardinalRG no proof of that, only "trust me, bro", the lack of documentation and only witnesses (and the changing versions to the newspapers) are public. Santos Sumont's words: I cannot help but be profoundly astonished by this ridiculous claim. It's inexplicable that the Wright Brothers could've made countless flights over three and a half years without having been observed by a single one journalist from the perceptive american press who had taken the effort to watch them and write the best article of the time. I can feel you dude, USA was pioneer in a bunch of things, and we in Brazil dont, but the modern aviation... That's from Brazil. :)

[@vidal9747]

@@cardinalRG No credible evidence that those 1903 or 1904 ever happanned.

[@wesleyoliveira1871]

@@cardinalRG show me the video of them flying

[@MarceloNunesPOA]

He didn’t really created the wristwatch. Indeed he convinced his friend Louis Cartier to create a male model of a wristwatch that he could use during his flying adventures. Indeed the “Santos de Cartier” model is still manufactured today, fair and initial price tag above $10k!

[@stevec7923]

A thoroughly charming story! He may not have won the prize, but he was surely heroic, regardless.

[@gogopedroe1873]

He won it

[@HOI4notsoproplayer]

What do you mean? Drummond was way more famous even today he is. He flew around Paris what did you expect lol

[@lemonace6695]

Taking in consideration it was his plane the Demoseille that was actually used as a base for modern aviation and it was his choice to not patent his invention that made replicating and learning with this projects easier and improved aviation as we know he won. Even if we consider the Wright brother's word (as they failed in providing evidence of their claims) in the end Dumond's impact on aviation was bigger. If that is not a victory I don't know what it is.

[@joshuaowobbuffet3360]

Regardless of who invented the airplane or pioneered aviation, both Dummont and the Wright brothers were important contributors to modern aviation, including Da Vinci, whose many designs and inventions demonstrate human intelligence and enabled manned flights, space shuttles, and military aircraft. As a Brazilian, and still having a bit of patriotism and valuing the great men and women of my people who contributed to various areas of engineering and science, I will always support Santos Dummond as the father of aviation, but as a scientist and history lover, I believe that much of what is created and developed by humanity is the joint effort of many people, and whoever did it first often gets only a reputation but sometimes doesn't even know what developed from it.

[@Cookiesnews]

As a kid in Brazil, I never heard of the Wright Brothers in school... Some French friends of mine had the same experience. Bonus fact I used to live in the only city attacked by bomber planes in São Paulo, during the 1932 war.

[@jimmyzhao2673]

*Wow* I had never heard of him & his accomplishments.

[@greatBLT]

When you befriend a Brazilian, it is one of the first things they will teach you.

[@RaphaelLeite]

The fact is, without the Wright Brothers and Santos Dumont the aviation we know today would never exist. Both were huge. Wright brothers with the understanding of control surfaces and Dumont with the popularization and adaptations of engines and quick solutions. The Santos-Dumont Demoiselle were critical to the popularization and development of the aviation, the "open source" drawings made possible to a plethora of inventors to begin the exploration of the field. As a Brazilian I believe that Santos Dumont was the inventor of the airplane, but to be fair, the tittle should be shared, for the reasons said before and the fact that even with the first flight being made by the Wright Brothers, the first flight following the rules of the time was made by Santos Dumont.

[@cardinalRG]

_"...the first flight following the rules of the time was made by Santos Dumont."_ There were no THE rules, friend, only differing, subjective criteria by various associations and individuals, typically pertaining to some contest. Even today, those differences persists and there is no objective consensus to define _flight_ or _airplane._ You're free to define them as you care to, but so too are others with equal standing.

[@logoncal3001]

Outside of the US, Dumont is the patron of the plane. Its just in the US because the invention has to be credited to an american.

[@tomatelalalal]

Heard one time in a youtube comment, about this discussion "Doesn't matter who invented planes. They ended up in your towers not ours" that said, Dumont made real planes.

[@andresouzar]

Yes. You are welcome.

[@deck614]

Nor Ferber nor the Voisin brothers were inspired by the Wrights design - as it remained secret during years... They were late but they did not copy! Everybody in France knows :D that the first airplane (a French word, as it seems) to take off was Clement Ader's, according to all-French testimonies. However, we know (according to all-US testimonies) that the Wrights were great pioneers of easy-to-hand gliders (motorized) as in 1903 they could not take off without a catapulte. And it remained secret-secret so doubtfull for years after 1903. Santos Dumont's "number 14" is the first to take off and land with his engine (and some wheels) OFFICIALLY. Not Ader, not the Wrights, not etc. I should not forget Lilienthall, Chanute, Hargrave, some British inventors...

[@laersonverissimo1715]

You are wrong when you claim that Wright Flyers could not take off without assistance. 1. The Wright Flyer I, had no catapult systems. 2. The catapult was made for the Wright Flyer II, but it was not a requirement, they did took off many times on the Wright Flyer II and III without using the catapult.

[@deck614]

@@laersonverissimo1715 Whatever I could say, the Wrights mastered the driving of an airplane in 3 dimensions before anybody else. I believe you have sincere proofs about the autonomy of the Flyer 1 - but what is the advantage of not mounting wheels on the Flyer 2, an experimental machine that would probably land anywhere if a problem occurs - with no catapult there to come back?... Simply, when a French journalist met the Wrights in late 1903, their flyer (seems to be the 1st) was unmounted and he reported to Gabriel Voisin his interview of neighbours, telling they saw the catapulte and never saw wheels on the machine ... This was all we new in Europe in 1904 and this is why people like Farman or Santos or Esnault-Pelterie, Ferber etc. thought they still had to invent the airplane. To resume it. The Wrighs were too secret. When they finally came to France to compete, they however had numerous talents around them by this time. They also had to mount a Barricand & Marre engine (and wheels) on their flyer to make it...

[@laersonverissimo1715]

@ if you did like… the minimum amount of research you would have the answer for your own question. But since you clearly won’t do that and prefer to parrot misinformation, here it is: The planes didn’t have wheels because they used a sled. Others mounted the planes on top of carts instead, but this had 0 effect on landing. The Wright did public demonstrations multiple times before Dumont plane. The reason they changed the design to use wheels instead of the sled was because the investors forced them. The Wright Brothers believed their design was better because the tracks and the catapult were portable, so anyone could takeoff from anywhere, without needing a long track (and the catapult provided a safer takeoff, and removed wind influence). When they changed to using wheels, the engine they used worked just fine. The catapult was not a necessity, neither the design choice was because some limitation. They made that design thinking about what would be more practical based on their experience with the Wright Flyer II.

[@l4nd3r]

@@laersonverissimo1715 The catapult was definitely needed as the engine didn't have enough power to propel the planer alone (or a strong wind was needed), without the catapult it wasn't able to really achieve flight, just like with the 14 bis it kinda hopped around.

[@leandronovaes3836]

If Santos-Dumont was American from the USA, we know he would be the airplane inventor.

[@materialmirage]

Playback speed 0.75x recommended

[@doctordel]

Drunk Simon.

[@mikeyb7263]

.85x was the sweet spot for me. Simon's speech cadence can often spoil an otherwise good piece of writing.

[@leocarmopereira]

Already into 30 seconds you said our Santos Dumont is "largely forgotten"? Man, OK, but at least here in Brazil, no he's not. Good thing you mentioned it at 19:05!

[@lud3445]

A Santos Dumont video without a 14-bis made with 14 Bis? Preposterous! For those not brazilian, a Bis is a chocolate covered wafer sweet. It comes from the brazilian version of "encore" (you always want one more, is the implied idea)

[@Dombledore11]

Dumont looks like an old timey Howard Wolowitz

[@joppadoni]

🤣🤣🤣👍👍

[@AntonioFelipeLopez]

Yes! Airplane is not a catapult Next silly question.

[@cardinalRG]

No one claims that a catapult is an aircraft, so your premise is invalid.

[@silvamarcos592]

the guys just created the most amazing machine created by mankind, but not a single proof, not a single news, just the word ..... ok, by the way i´ve just created a time machine, but i wont let anyone see it. you guys have my word.

[@Sv4NNe]

Fun fact: Santos-Dumont is my cousin 3x removed. Until I found this out, I had no idea my family was part French. I thought I was 100% Portuguese. More recently I also found out my 2nd Great Grandfather was Italian

[@lucasperboni674]

Yes. Glad i could help.

[@fegjnwrs]

Do not forget Dumont's plane had an engine (and flew with the extra weight) while the Wright brother's claim of flight was powered by pedelling

[@cardinalRG]

No, none of the Wright aircraft were powered by a human pedaling.

[@geoffreypiltz271]

Yes, there are many others with claims to have invented heavier than air flight (Gustave Whitehead, Percy Pilcher, Richard Pearce) but the Wright Brothers have been given the honour by painstaking historians, although the Wrights made no public demonstration until 1908, two years after Santos-Dumont flew in public. People will take sides in this matter, mainly it seems to claim a little reflected glory for their country and thereby themselves.

[@macwilliambasilio4128]

I am concerned about presenting the facts of this race because the Americans make intense propaganda in favor of the Wright brothers. If I were not Brazilian, I would still defend the right to claim Alberto Santos Dumont's pioneering work in the flight of the heavier-than-air aircraft, because this was extensively documented at the time, proving it. The Americans have countless achievements in the field of science and technology, but I do not think it is fair to win a race by stealing the merit of others.

[@geoffreypiltz271]

@@macwilliambasilio4128 The design of Santos Dumont's airplane was almost entirely based on the published scientific work of Lawrence Hargrave, an Australian.

[@Pixelarter]

@@geoffreypiltz271 It's quite possible. They all took inspiration from each other and from previous work at the time. That's why to say someone "invented the airplane", when it was an indirect collective effort by multiple pioneers, is totally misleading. Both to Wright Brothers and to Santos Dumont. But Dumont do gets the credit for being the first to fly in public with ample open evidence. The Wright Brothers were super secretive, and only presented ample public evidence later.

[@cardinalRG]

@@macwilliambasilio4128 --Both nations have citizens whose support of their native sons, and their claims to have flown first, is partisan and irrational. Both nations also have objective and level-headed aficionados of this fascinating historical topic. If you are in the latter group, then I congratulate you. But don't forget that you have foreign counterparts just as rational as you are, and who nonetheless disagree with your view on Santos-Dumont and the Wrights.

[@RB-qq1ky]

@geoffreypiltz271 Pearse himself never claimed to have flown before the Wrights. The only aviation related item he ever (later in life) claimed to have invented was the aileron, and Pearse freely admitted he neglected to maintain the Patent he obtained for them, and thereby lost control of the technology... Pearse’s reputation seems to have arisen from good natured, but mistaken personal reminiscences of accidental witnesses of what were at best powered ‘hops’ which were recorded for posterity in the 1950s/60s. Not to demean Pearse’s efforts because he was trying to do the best he could with the materials (often scavenged) he had to hand Fact is, Edwardian rural New Zealand simply didn’t have the facilities or technology to support his research and development; for instance his only sources of aviation-related written material were the newspapers (often months after the event) or the Encyclopedia Brittanica in his local library.

[@grazynazambeanie5963]

From the age where everything worth inventing was invented in the U.S.A. even if it wasn't 🎉

[@OBloqueiro]

This is what the man himself wrote about it in 1918 in his book "O que eu vi, o que nós veremos" (What I saw, what we will see): "The following year (1907) the Farman airplane made flights that became famous; he was this inventor-aviator who first managed a round-trip flight. After him, Bleriot came, and it was only two years later that the Wright brothers made their flights. And It is true that they say they made others, but in secret. I don't want to take anything away from the Wright brothers, for whom I have greater admiration; but it is undeniable that, only after us, did they present themselves with a device superior to ours, saying that it was a copy of one they had built before ours. Soon after the Wright brothers, Levavassor appears with the airplane "Antoinette", superior to everything that then existed; Levavassor has been operating for 20 years worked on solving the flight problem; You could therefore say that your device it was a copy of another built many years earlier. But he didn't. What would Edison, Graham Bell or Marconi say if, after presenting in public the electric lamp, the telephone and the wireless telegraph, another inventor presented with a better electric lamp, telephone or telephone device without wires saying he had built them before them?! To whom does humanity owe its heavier-than-air aerial navigation? To the experiments of the Wright brothers, carried out in secret (they themselves were the say that they did everything possible to ensure that nothing of the results of their experiences) and which were so ignored in the world, that we all see qualify my 250 meters as a "memorable minute in the history of aviation", or it is to Farman, Bleriot and me that we did all our demonstrations in front of of scientific committees and in full sunlight?