Was Ange right or wrong in his explosive interview?

[@petersaprun5218]

I can see why Ange was angry cause if it's ok for us to lose this one , than it can become easier for us to use the same analogy for other games. Ange always is in for the win.

[@N17Stu]

Nah that’s bollox. This won’t happen again for 1000 games. Ange wasn’t for the win when he threw the league cup game vs Fulham or when we just lost 4 in a row to cost us 4th. Ur talking dog poo.

[@JJJ-bs8sm]

Appreciate the honesty and objectivity in the analysis and personal reflection. Fans need some self awareness. The whole world is laughing at you for wanting your team to lose. Ange's comment yesterday shows that he needs to surgically remove some aspects of this cancerous mindset which is holding the club back. He is a football fan, first and foremost. He gets why but just think it's very unproductive to ever behave the way the fans did this week. It's a small club mindset. That was one and only point.

[@JamesForbes-j4u]

Support your own club more than you hate another. That's what a loyal supporter does

[@N17Stu]

Unfortunately you don’t get it mate.

[@Taecoconut]

@@N17Stuactually they do. They just choose club over rivalry and ego

[@N17Stu]

@@Taecoconut you don’t get it, and that’s fine.

[@JamesForbes-j4u]

@@N17Stu it's so-called supporters that don't understand what a loyal supporter is

[@N17Stu]

@@JamesForbes-j4u you’ve never been anywhere near Tottenham kid

[@philcornwell5104]

Best spurs pod, keep up the great work…we played well and deserved more, when we get more Ange players….the future is bright. Really excited for next season COYS😊

[@hmmmm1324]

"If you go by what Ange himself has said, this is a game that is OK to lose." This is 100% wrong. You're listening only to the top 4 isn't a trophy bit, not the incessant calls from Ange to develop a winning mentality, a winning team, to test yourselves against the best, to play for the shirt, to develop a winning culture. Ange has been laser focused on us improving and buying into being a winning, aggressive club and talks about it every press conference. So cheering for the opposition, or wanting to lie down and lose on purpose is completely counter to the message Ange has been giving every week for the whole season.

[@N17Stu]

Why didn’t he do that in the 4 straight losses that cost us a champions league spot then?

[@migennepravishta9485]

@@N17Stu He tried... I dont think you're suggesting that he lost those games on purpose (which is what the Fans wanted him to do against City), do you?

[@N17Stu]

@@migennepravishta9485 no I’m not suggesting that.

[@migennepravishta9485]

@@N17Stu But there's the difference... you can loose even when you give it your best try, but to loose on purpose as fans were asking of him against City, is totally unacceptable. You should never let “rivalry” DEFINE who you are as a football club. Winning mentality and culture isn’t something you turn On and Off promptly with a switch, it takes time to build it.

[@JJohnson-i8o]

Some just don't get it , to be the best, think like a winner, not to concede a game when it suits you. As an Auusie and watched him as a player and coach, I get him, he gets it, some of you dont

[@gatman2300]

New to this podcast, but now subscribed after hearing such mature, sober and balance commentary... no better characterised than by the analogy offered @18:00. Brilliant work lads... will be back for more and looking forward to hearing you next season!

[@jaynepoland4615]

He doesn’t understand people who don’t want to win. It’s not in his remit.

[@N17Stu]

Every single spurs fan who didn’t want arsenal to win the league also want Spurs to win things.

[@TooDarnSoulful]

He was not too keen on winning top 4 from his comments ! not a good message Ange !

[@dutchgrass]

@@TooDarnSoulful that's not what his point was, you clearly didn't understand what he was trying to say.

[@simonbestford7436]

@@TooDarnSoulfulthat was the point I was making. 4th is not an achievement in its own right but it is a wonderful achievement that allows the club to push on. You see what happened with Wenger when 4th becomes the desired outcome

[@peterkehagias]

​@@TooDarnSoulfultop four proves nothing top four yes if you have a team to win not just make up the numbers

[@barneyhall2753]

The reaction to Ange's comments seems suggest he hit a raw nerve with many fans. The truth can often hurt.

[@Ren-7-7]

Yes! So many are trying to justify their loser mentality

[@N17Stu]

Ange made a huge mistake in what he said about the fans, he will back track.

[@Taecoconut]

Ikr? He Def hit their mental fragility

[@N17Stu]

@@Taecoconut did you want arsenal to win the league then?

[@camtinley]

@@N17Stu Ange won't back track. Do you think a winner like Ange is going to put up with that crap ?

[@LewisAdie]

You guys are the best, most entertaining, football panel show around. Thanks and Cheers, Lewis

[@MrJellybeen]

Your welcome I’m their CEO 🤝🤣

[@malvallance558]

Ange was correct in taking the blow torch to those fans who backed a City win. You don’t develop a winning culture by ‘tanking’ in a match, you play to throttle each and every opponent. Ange won’t tolerate this bullshit and he has my full support. Wake up Spurs, anyone can be mediocre.

[@tessacate]

EVERY OTHER TEAM IS YOUR RIVAL. That's how you need to look at it.

[@MrJellybeen]

Dayum this pod did well

[@collectivesartori]

That last guy to speak was super honest about his own attitude and possible change of heart.

[@simonbestford7436]

Cheers mate

[@vazthespursguy]

Hey guys, thanks for the Podcast. Perhaps I can help shed some light with Ange's view as an Aussie and a migrant living not too far away from where Ange grew up. I hope you find the time to read what I will say. There is a big culture in Australia of a never give up attitude and winning mentality. This tradition is long, I would say when the Anzac soldiers stormed Gallipoli back in WW1 can help explain this. Thousands of young men charging to almost certain death. This day is remembered as a public holiday and a big part of who we are today. A never say die attitude regardless of the odds. Additionally growing up as a migrant would have been tough, he would have been called horrible names and singled out for playing 'wogball' as it was called then. But he would have developed resilience throughout this upbringing. There was an interview with Craig Foster (Ex EPL and national team player) who called out Ange in national TV for failing to qualify the under 20's. So he has been humiliated on national TV and had to start from the basement again. It's literally in his DNA to never give up, it just doesn't compute to us. There is rivalry here but AFL, Rugby fans etc but there is also no deep hatred, there is no relegation as well at the top levels but a draft system. A number of years ago an AFL team tanked a couple of results to get better draft picks and it was a big outrage. We will never understand the hatred people have as we didn't grow up with it on a daily basis. But I think it's important to note why he has this certain mentality and way of playing. I hope this helps.

[@dutchgrass]

Hey, we did actually touch upon the fact that he is an Aussie & Aussies have a fantastic attitude of just focusing on winning which is why they do so well in sport in general, but thanks for your comment expanding on that with more details!

[@N17Stu]

@@dutchgrass SPURS COULDNT WIN ANYTHING FFS.

[@vazthespursguy]

​@@dutchgrass yes you did and I appreciate you guys bringing it up. Glad I got tell a bit more of history as to why he said those words. Keep up the good work and thanks for keeping it balanced and fairly positive.

[@dutchgrass]

@@N17Stu what are you on about?! We could win a game, we need to have a mentality of always wanting to win, and in this case CL qualification was still on the table.

[@ozzymick1431]

​@@N17Stu: You're right, as long as Spurs supporters cheer on the opposition for whatever stupid ancient rivalry. If that's more important, so be it, but don't blame Ange or any of us Aussies, MATE!!!!

[@malvallance558]

Good and balanced discussion boys. I have just subscribed to the channel as I am so pissed off with all the Spurs commentators that have promoted and supported ‘tanking’ against City. You play to do your best and win.

[@rattybb3694]

FRAGILE MENTALITY = Ange means why are you worried about what others are going to say and think about you . Winners dont give 2 fucks what others think or say about them. They win , thats it. Arsenal are in the position they are because of there body of work this year . Plain n simple . Hes trying to instill the winning mentality in the club and fans. Simple. "We dont stop" If we dont beat you this year , we will next year. We dont give a fuck , win at all costs" thats what Ange means

[@charlieleung2776]

Yup, bang on. I wonder whether these people are successful in their own lives with this sort of thinking

[@N17Stu]

Ange, like yourself, doesn’t get the rivalry. You haven’t grown up with it, it doesn’t affect your life. When Ange has fucked off and is managing somewhere else, I would’ve had to wear handing Arsenal the league till the day I die, just like I and other real spurs fans have for the last 20 years.

[@N17Stu]

@@charlieleung2776 u say bang on but unfortunately Charlie, u haven’t got a clue what this rivalry means. Ur from 5000 miles away and can’t possibly get it. That’s fine.

[@Taecoconut]

@@N17Stunah we know what rivalry is - we just put club over not being able to handle banter

[@N17Stu]

@@Taecoconut sorry mate. U dont understand.

[@hmmmm1324]

Thank fuck some sense. You support YOUR team, always. Don't care what they're doing, don't care if their fans would do the same, don't care if there's going to be banter thrown around - if you believe that to dare is to do, you want Spurs to win. I can't believe fans would sing for City or sing about Arsenal watching then going home and still trying to claim their club has an echo of glory.

[@N17Stu]

Where are you from and how long have u supported spurs

[@kevinlarkby5435]

Ange was 100% right. You Never want your team to lose if your a real fan .Never

[@ravensongsessions6087]

Ange’s comment about the top 4 has never been that he doesn’t want to be in it, he has said 4th is not winning. 4th is not his definition of success. He wants to finish as high as possible and be a serious challenger! He said why aim for 4th. Thats his mentality and he wants that to be everyone associated with the club from Levy to the cleaner and every fan

[@dutchgrass]

And I applaud him for it!

[@DMcHugh]

I am a Celtic supporter. I think you would acknowledge our historic and bitter rivalry with Rangers. However that would never extend to trying to lose to prevent them from winning the title if we had a chance to also play Champions League. What amazes me is the lack of burning desire to get into the Champions League. It’s a huge motivator for both Celtic and Rangers as European nights are the very best tests and footballing atmospheres of all. To hear that you are happy with the 2nd tier Europa League is beyond belief. I started following Spurs because of Ange but no longer. I will not be surprised if he leaves as he considers the support base a vital ingredient of winning on the field. You will rue the day as he was a joy when he was at Celtic!

[@tumusantrina2055]

Spurs don't deserve Ange 😢the fans are joke laughing stock

[@ossjonny]

@@tumusantrina2055” fans are a joke”???? Spurs fans are everything and everyone. Like every other team. If you listen to our pod you can see we don’t fit your generalization, like the huge majority of our fans.

[@N17Stu]

Absolute bollox. 100% lies

[@dutchgrass]

I am hoping he understands it wasn't everyone, was a unique situation, and remembers the support the team have got all season. All of us on the pod are convinced Ange is going to deliver for us. I think it was the comments made at Hotspur Way which probably riled him up even more & he will deal with at change of mindset.

[@jimiraine]

I don’t at all agree with DJ that this is a really rare event. United played Arsenal and beating them would have meant practically handing city the title, and whilst it brought a silver lining to the loss no fans wanted the club to lose or throw the game. It’s simply small club mentality, it’s the reason why the Scots have ‘anyone but England’ as it gives them something to do when they don’t qualify themselves. Ange is right to demand more and you all feel guilty for letting him down. At least a few of you had a epipanies maybe it’s time to stop thinking like fans of a small club.

[@cxveeeee9311]

10000% he was right, the lose brigade made us a laughing stock in the Prem

[@N17Stu]

He threw the league cup

[@kayycee6490]

Thanks for trying to make sense of a tough situation for the club, a situation which we had a hand in creating of course. Wanted us to go for the win and the team did so. However, its 4 losses against some of league's best in the last few weeks. That's a concern.

[@sonorsonor5125]

So well said Stu regarding the Ange/Van De Ven comments! You bring an even better point, we often as fans think Ange should do this and do that, but we don't know what is happening day to day in the club with players and their conversations. We trust Ange and yes he hasn't been found out, as we saw yesterday with that different tweak in the set up. I must also say, I love your show Gents and I always look forward to your weekly release but over the last few days, there has been some awful behaviour from so called 'Spurs' fans prior to the City game and for me, if you have a rivalry, the best outcome is to outperform them and always have a winning mentality, which right now and moving forward is so important and that's why Ange is the right manager for our club and has been since the day he arrived.

[@palaneproductions7357]

Hasnt been found out, LOL...Moyes was the first to show the deficiencies in SpursY plan A(NGE)ball...ALL the bottom 5 teams put the balls in the net...dream on!

[@frankodonnell5247]

Ange managed Celtic, and yet you have some Spurs fans saying “ but he doesn’t understand “ I can tell you that whatever feelings Spurs fans have for the gooners is nothing compared to Celtic and Rangers. And while he might put up with it with the fans if people inside the club were wanting Spurs to lose then that becomes a whole different ballgame.

[@dutchgrass]

my thinking as well, he won't accept that mentality from people at Hotspur way.

[@paulkirk6989]

Since the good 10 match start Ange has struggled to get consistency from any team he has put out for whatever reasons. So now after a decent result against CP and during really decent showing against city can anyone be surprised when Ange gets annoyed at ''fans'' celebrating city scoring. Also nobody has mentioned what the players would be thinking matching the best team in the league and hearing their own supporters cheering the opposition, He is 100% right if he is having a dig at the ''fans'' .Give the man some slack.

[@anugranmathimugan2778]

Good podcast as always guys . I'm wondering how the players feel about all this ? Think they were acutely aware that the fans were really not in their corner.

[@jaynepoland4615]

Just waited for you guys to talk some sense. I did want us to win what ever that meant. There was a lot of rival fans causing trouble. Including the particular fan who was yelling at Ange. I also agree that we played well.

[@OhSoSpurs]

Thanks Jayne. It really was a morale dilemma and not sure there was a right or wrong side. Hope everyone can get back behind Ange, he needs our full support next season. COYS

[@jaynepoland4615]

@@OhSoSpurs For sure.

[@MH-iy7pe]

Apparently some back staff were joking about losing... and 1 said to him we should field the under 12s... that set him off... the fans the media all week have been saying spurs fans want us to lose... no manager wants to see this!!!... I don't blame him for his outburst he wants us to win and we need that... but what I will say... if your not an arsenal or spurs fan... you won't understand our rivalry... we have grown up being underdogs to that lot our whole lives we have been on the receiving end of the banter since we were toddlers lol.. we have arsenal family members... the rivalry is inprinted in us.. they have won the league at our ground and we still haven't heard the end of it 20 years later... the new/young and foreign fans wouldn't understand this... but we couldn't give arsenal the league!!!... nobody can deny my love for spurs.. but to some of our fans the rivalry means just as much as the football!!!

[@michaelgiles7515]

Spurs fans hate being called losers by Arsenal fans.. yet celebrate losing q game.. the fact that losing to city was the highlight of the season for some fans says everything.. Gooders may actually be right.. the only way to change that is to finish above them every year COYS ❤

[@GibsonCarlisle]

People there in England saying Ange does not understand the footballing culture! He grew up in Melbourne, home to some of oldest football teams (AFL) in the world that have existed since from 1858 onwards. There are intense rivalries between teams and supporters, but there is no way in the world those fans would consider barracking against their team winning to get one over a rival. Its not in the culture in any sport here. You had a chance, all be it a slim one, to play Champions league football but were more interested in losing to get one over Arsenal. Loser mentality, how can expect to win anything if you don't try to win every time you step onto the field.

[@N17Stu]

Don’t comment on things you don’t understand.

[@N17Stu]

Why did Ange throw the league cup then? Ur talking dog shit

[@glennmaillard5972]

@@N17StuThat’s why he commented on what he does understand. Loser mentality versus winner mentality. Maybe we Aussies have a different idea about what matters. Though I’m seeing plenty of Pommie Spurs onside with Ange.

[@N17Stu]

@@glennmaillard5972 loser mentality is a meaningless cliche. Iv been going to spurs for 32 years and am a season ticket holder. Iv walked away from wembley 4 or 5 times in a row after we lost. Waited 16 years while we bottled every opportunity to win. Don’t question my mentality as a fan. I’m fucking desperate to win. Hating our enemy is bigger than 3 points. If you don’t get that I guess ur just a modern fan that only cares about points and xg. Football is more to me than that.

[@glennmaillard5972]

@@N17Stu You don’t get it, that’s clear. Read a few biographies on successful people in sport, business, the arts; about any successful person in life. Any genuinely successful person. Maybe you’ll get why many think certain Spurs fans have a losing mentality. Wanting to win is not evidence of a winning mentality. Living in hope for a hundred years is not what it’s about. Hankering fir bragging rights is not a sign of a strong mentality. It suggests a chip on the shoulder, mate. It’s not about winning three points, btw, its about building a mentality that drives you to win every time, whether you end up winning or not every time.

[@MrJellybeen]

DJ didn’t get the dress code memo 🤣🤣

[@OhSoSpurs]

Jonny came dressed for an interview!

[@peterkehagias]

Per capita australia is the greatest sporting nation in the world

[@ozzymick1431]

💯💪🪃🇦🇺

[@antoniomontana3688]

Those fixated on others success or failure, loose site of their own goals. This is a weak looser mentality. What's not to get? You wanted your own team to loose...TO LOOSE! How can you call yourself a supporter when you want your own team to loose? This is mental. These dudes taking this position are taking crazy pills.

[@xagonent4942]

As a proud Arsenal fan who is married to a beautiful and passionate Spurs fan here in the sweet state of Florida, I would have loved for Spurs to have won. Not for my own club's success, but fans like my wife and ones in the all or nothing documentary. If the roles were reversed I would happily eat humble pie and send congratulations to Spurs fans for winning something. Rivalry goes out the windows in certain cases and I can leave my ego at the door to say well done and better luck next year. My wife and I do have jabs here or there, but she was disgusted by what she both saw and heard from "fans". At the end of the day I am an Arsenal fan yes, I want my team to win yes, but I love sport. There are amazing groups of people in each fan club, but small minded individuals are blinded by rivalry and tribalism. It is what it is, but best of luck to Ange and other amazing Spurs fan. COYG!

[@ossjonny]

Great comment. I would love to care less about Arsenals success and failure. It’s not a good place to come from and only creates bad energy. Ange obviously wants this negativity to change.

[@xagonent4942]

@@ossjonny Thanks man!

[@kurtscharer16]

Ange was pissed off when Tottenham staff suggested to play the youth team against Man City! the club who spends the most money usually wins the league, Tottenham is on 7. poseidon on wages and spending Pep Guardiola or Jürgen Klopp wouldn't win a Trophy with Tottenham with restricted Transfer Money

[@simonbestford7436]

It at least we are on 2 Zeus on stadium revenue

[@michaelgiles7515]

Spurs could have stopped a record breaking 4 in a row for City.. I know what's more impressive than stopping Arsenal win 1.. Spurs live in a London bubble in a national sport

[@simonbestford7436]

I live in a London bubble surrounded by Goons everywhere. Life really would be unbearable if they win it. And that was the point of the debate last night, it’s the challenging emotions that were present in any Spurs fan to a greater or lesser extent. I like to think that we are able to have a balanced and sensible discussion

[@proffpuff]

We can’t score lost 5/6 not enough good players

[@tessacate]

Responses here are a lot more healthy & reflective which seems to be what's needed. Winners & champions don't spend so much time focussing on short term or rivals journey. The fans (& whoever else) need to change that mentality & auto-expectation of lack/less-than. Arsenal's taunts only hurt if true & pokes at a wound. There's only one way to change that.

[@N17Stu]

It’s coz the majority of comments are from foreign fans who don’t get it

[@glennmaillard5972]

@@N17StuYou have to be a troll. And btw I’ve seen plenty of Pommie Spurs fans just as unhappy as us foreign fans, you dork.

[@tessacate]

@@N17Stu Assuming foreigners don't get rivalry is dead wrong. But in a strong club, winning or losing , good or bad, fans should never care about their rivals journey over club, let alone sacrifice a game to spite rivals because of fear of taunts. Taunts... really? How precious are you. F*ck the taunts. And Eff the other teams. Club is what matters. Do or die. You never walk out early. You never turn your back on your players. And never, ever cheer on the opposition. Your players will respond as they've done so before. That's what Ange has discovered. It's a rot, a lack-mentality, a disease that needs cutting out & cauterised.

[@N17Stu]

@@tessacate you don’t get it mate, and I don’t expect you to.

[@tessacate]

@@N17Stu BS. Follow one of the most hated clubs in AFL. Hated & known esp for its strong, one-eyed fan base. A club that pretty much looks down on all other clubs whether we're winners or last place becaue that's our culture & history. We don't go to water because of taunts, which we get all-the-time.

[@richsman9747]

Very good take and I can agree/see sense in a lot what you discussed. Myself I have kind of switched off emotionally from Spurs from before our nightmare run in because I knew we’d lose them all. So I didn’t actively support city but did not care less if we lost with what could have been at stake… I do however find what Ange said about fans unforgivable. Before those ‘48hrs’ I was Ange doubt but more than happy to give him more time but after I am fuming and want him gone. Great show, bravo 👏

[@proffpuff]

Levy’s priorities Beyoncé Go carts Stadium concessions CL qualification then the Football team. What makes the fans think Ange will win, we couldn’t win with Potty Jose Conte the manager isn’t the problem he is just the one that takes the blame the problem are the owners. In 60 years as a fan this last 15 have been the low point

[@franklyspeakingwithfrankpo4249]

Me when we play Arsenal. Immature. Irrational. Irresponsible.

[@midorimueller1401]

There is no other way to put it, the behaviour of some of Tottenham's, so-called fans is a disgrace. There is NO excuse for not getting fully behind our team at all times. Surely, there is a way that you can celebrate your petty tribal warfare at other venues and away from us real fans. If any of these warriors (hic) thought that this sick display would in any way be "driving" the team forward and onward, you are very mistaken. Football is a sport and this game, as a spectacle, had nothing whatsoever to do with Arsenal but it had everything to do with trying to beat City and thus hopefully to gain a place in the champions league. The staff, the players gave their best, it was not to be on the day. I hope I never again have to witness such grotesk and inappropriate behaviour by a section of a fanbase anywhere in the world.

[@sipo4349]

The irony is...AFC can still win the title.....sport is never a foregone conclusion - that's what makes it so addictive.....I was at the ground and was 100% committed to us winning....a victory that would bring us the chance of UCL and importantly give the club a wonderful boost of self-belief for next season...that first half was full of authority - Pep was worried....losing Ange now would be catastrophic.....can't wait for 24/25...COYS

[@N17Stu]

Ur talking dog shit mate. We lost 4 in a row which destroyed our top 4 hopes. Any real spurs fan doesn’t want Arsenal to win the league. Sacrificing 3 points to make that happen is nothing.

[@chrishalious8194]

Sorry i forgot to add your podcast is by far more adult-minded & fair-minded. Bur one?

[@gama4095]

Straw poll of the 5 panelists. Did you want to lose this game first and foremost? Be honest

[@ossjonny]

I was torn. If I’m honest, yes I just about wanted to lose, probably, but by kick off I definitely wanted Spurs to win. I’m confident I won’t ever feel like I did before the game again.👍

[@dutchgrass]

When it looked like we had no chance of 4th & it made no difference either way, then yes I was leaning that way, when Villa dropped points I was torn, when the game started I wanted the 3 points.

[@simonbestford7436]

In all honesty, I thought that I did but when the game kicked off I realized immediately that us winning was the most important thing.

[@robinlabouche2230]

How can you want your team to lose, I am an Aussie and I think you Tottenham fans are an absolute disgrace ...... If I were Ange, I would go !!!!!

[@simonbestford7436]

Thanks for the feedback. I thought our discussion was far more nuanced than your statement suggests but you’re not Ange but you’re also welcome to go 🤣🤣🤣

[@enricobrik3074]

I’m sorry, guys, as much as I admire your podcast and your measured views, the culture and mean level of values in the club - supporters and insiders, especially staff - is just fundamentally alienating for reasonable fans of quality football. Puerile, foolish, self-defeating behaviour. You are simply not going to get a better manager than Ange, and he is now one f@ckwit away from resigning. We saw it with the Socceroos in 2017. I hope the club and the fan base get behind him unambiguously and unflinchingly in the next weeks. If not, he’ll be gone by end July.

[@OhSoSpurs]

We stand with Ange. Well us 5 do anyway 😂

[@projectext4147]

Yes totally agree. I got the feeling Ange could have got the Socceroos into the last final. That would be cool for an Asian-Oceania team to be there. I really wish the best for Ange. Was so sad to see him literally more disappointed than angry. It's the kind I saw when I fuvked up in front of my parents.

[@TooDarnSoulful]

I'm sorry but Ange's CV is very average and I have not been convinced yet, at least he has made tweaks in the last 2 games with madders and bringing in Dragusin putting VDV as left back - but goodness me that was a long time coming Ange !

[@projectext4147]

@@TooDarnSoulful very simple he's from an Asian-Oceania nationality. He's not handed down a lifeline like Arteta or even Pep. If pep wasn't ex barca and he's also Australian, do you think he would have the same career? Its just harder as there's a closed mindset in the sporting system. Not everyday u get someone like Mourinho who managed at Porto despite not really having a playing career. And he's Portuguese as well which is considered a traditional sporting nation

[@TooDarnSoulful]

@@projectext4147 Spare me the nationaltiy I am never concerned on where the manager is from, it matters not. He now has his chance, he needs to grab it !

[@Taecoconut]

With fans like these, who needs rival fans

[@N17Stu]

The way u speak is so obvious that ur a voyeur to English football.

[@Taecoconut]

@@N17Stu lols actually not. I get not wanting arsenal to win but not at the detriment to the club.

[@simonbestford7436]

I think our discussion was pretty balanced and trying to think a bit more deeply about the conflicting emotions that the outcomes of each result would drive. I think that you can hold both views that you want your team to win but are desperate for your main rivals not to win the leagues and the fact that you could almost make that happen drives really conflicting emotions. I think we were just trying to analyze that a bit

[@chrishalious8194]

Sorry, for not knowing his name to the young guy NO just NO that to Ange who I know it is a poor mentality to start to build a winning mentality

[@gregrobinson2394]

I think Champions League was lost with the recent losses, and there was no guarantee a win would get them there. Aston Villa may well beat Palace which makes it irrelevant. I am quite happy for Spurs to play Europa League considering the doom and gloom at the start of the season when Kane left. A successful first season for Ange in reality. BTW, Spurs haven't been below Arsenal always. Last season was the first time Arsenal have been higher than 5th for 7 seasons, and the first time higher than Spurs in that period.

[@projectext4147]

When ange took over Celtic, celtic just lost the title to complete a ten in a row to rangers. To say ange dont know anything about bragging rights, thats tough.

[@proffpuff]

Ange lost his Champions League bonus

[@chrishalious8194]

Aussie Anges' DNA is winning anything other than that he will walk away. Another misconception that Ange does not have plan B or C is sorry to use the word simpleton's who know no better but at the moment he hasn't got the cattle to play his style just think witch team in the PL play without in and-out striker Spurs do think how can you win without? but those are the cards he was dealt, coz of money restrictions but next season the board needs back him otherwise he will look elsewhere

[@N17Stu]

Why did he not win the 4 losses in a row that cost us a CL spot then?

[@chrishalious8194]

@@N17Stu Blame the players he does not go on the pitch the players do

[@royferguson2297]

Conte was right and now the penny has dropped with Ange.

[@simonbestford7436]

Conte was/is a fruit loop

[@royferguson2297]

Sonny has not been good since he was made Captain, I think Romero would be better in that position Sonny is too quiet and soft. Cant understand Ange not understanding Spurs fans not wanting ARSEnal winning the league he was Celtic Manager for two years, can't get worse than the rivalry between Celtic & Rangers.

[@dutchgrass]

Son was scoring for fun in the 1st half of the season, like the rest of the team had a weaker 2nd half since coming back from the Asian Cup.

[@simonbestford7436]

26 goal involvements in 34 games. Not too shabby. Maybe his downturn in form is directly correlated with the downturn in form of many other players and not the other way around

[@AbomaKelly]

Disappointed with DJ here. Ange never said “The external foundations are fragile”. You’ve conflated answers to two different questions to make it sound like Ange is calling the supporters fragile. He’s talking about the foundations of what he’s building within the team. Given what has come out, he’s talking about mentality of the support staff he’s put together. If the support staff are joking about losing then that makes the winning mentality he’s trying to instill within the team understandably fragile. No doubt he would have been disappointed with some of the fans behaviour but saying the fragile comment was targeted at the fans will only breed toxicity

[@kevinferguson530]

I think the last few weeks Ange has been frustrated by the results and performance of some players. Then the last few days he has seen and heard the talk about throwing the game, so Arsenal do not win the league. During the game he is witnessing the appalling display by Spurs supporters celebrating Man City goals and singing songs about Arsenal. He then walks into a press conference his head spinning and vents his anger. He didn't handle the moment well and said the first thing that came to mind. He obviously needed some time to digest his thoughts so he could respond better to the questions. That display by the Spurs supporters was crazy, whack on caps with the slogan "Make America Great Again" and you had a Trump rally, that is a bunch of mindless idiots.

[@Ren-7-7]

42:17 are you honestly saying he deserves this bullshit because he's not a ‘perfect manager’ 🤮🤮

[@SalsaSniper]

What about fans who despise City and oil money. ? They want to win.

[@N17Stu]

If you despise them more than Arsenal, you simply don’t get it.

[@SalsaSniper]

@@N17Stu I would argue if you despise Arsenal enough to sabotage your team, then you've lost perspective.

[@N17Stu]

@@SalsaSniper sorry mate. U don’t understand this.

[@SalsaSniper]

@@N17Stu I think I do. You live in a north london bubble.

[@UphillGardener-ly5sh]

The people praying for a loss, are tge same people who were praying Kane didn't win anything this season

[@simonbestford7436]

Based on?

[@UphillGardener-ly5sh]

@@simonbestford7436 "Based on?" All the people on the channels cheering when BM lost the German Super Cup

[@dutchgrass]

2 different things imo

[@UphillGardener-ly5sh]

@@dutchgrass "2 different things imo" Not really, both hoping someone else doesn't win because you can't

[@dutchgrass]

@@UphillGardener-ly5sh it really isn't the same thing, agree to disagree

[@TooDarnSoulful]

Ange gets 2/10 from me for most of his press comments, so many have been ill judged and crass, he does not have a leg to stand on telling fans that top 4 and Championship league football was not all that, the team did go for it, you cannot fault the players in this ! Too stubborn and too slow Ange - Son is never a number 9 and Emerson is no LB, he got there in the end, but it feels like he stumbled upon these options rather being bold and taking risks to find them.

[@dutchgrass]

2/10 for his press comments in general or just this one? If in general, think you're on an island there.

[@Phil_D_Waller]

Arsenal dont concern themselves with Spurs, you havent won anything of note since 61!

[@simonbestford7436]

St Totteringhams day? Don’t kid yourself mate. The hatred is in the DNA of both sets of supporters

[@dutchgrass]

you invented a day with a childish name & AFTV were shouting to the world they would lose anything if it meant us not winning the CL final, so don't kid yourself.

[@Phil_D_Waller]

I am talking about the club not the fans

[@UphillGardener-ly5sh]

​@@simonbestford7436 St Totteringham's Day was a bit of fun made up by fans when Arsenal were battling for FA Cups, titles and doubles with utd as a way of staying connected to the local rivals, a way to keep Spurs relevant in North London

[@simonbestford7436]

@@UphillGardener-ly5sh but if fun. That lot don’t shut up about it. And most were prepared to lose the Europa league if it meant we didn’t win the UCL. So nonsense mate

[@cxveeeee9311]

Team performance was good …. Fan performance was dreadful

[@ossjonny]

Were you at the ground? I was. This comment is based on ….?

[@N17Stu]

What about manager performance away at Fulham in the cup? Win at all costs?!

[@robertlangley1664]

He been found out in the second half of the season no plan B

[@dutchgrass]

no he hasn't

[@simonbestford7436]

That is demonstrably wrong given the set up of the team on Tuesday

[@crayontom9687]

He’s making a mountain out of a mole hill. It’s just banter between rivals. You want your own club to win and don’t want the other club to - in this instance, if we’d beaten City then great but a defeat isn’t that bad because it denies our rivals the chance to win the league. That’s it. Ange is just painting himself as a winner in the media imo - all well and good but he should have spent less time losing heavily to dross like Brighton, Fulham and Newcastle if that’s the image he wants to project

[@proffpuff]

16 years no trophy every manager put out a weak team in every cup to concentrate on CL I am utterly sick of it, the City game was a trophy for losers. When a Rice is for sale at 100 m we never get mentioned if we had qualified for the CL Levy would not spend the cash so why bother qualifying we are not going to win it are we ?

[@DF-ih5wl]

I don't think Ange will win any fans over with his words. I care more about how our team plays on the pitch and the changes he made in each game.

[@lemilemi5385]

Why the unnecessary discussion, it’s simple spurs lack nobility You can’t push a button for that. It needs to be soul deep not pastiche

[@ossjonny]

I wonder which Zen-like fan base you’re a part of…? Please enlighten me.

[@N17Stu]

@@ossjonnyhe wouldnt then have the anonymity his uneducated comments need

[@jamesjarrett52]

I'm sorry, had we got a result our lives as Spurs fans would've been a lot, lot worse.

[@gowokeyoubecomebroke.4747]

'Was Ange right or wrong in his explosive interview?' -- my thoughts. He's flat out wrong. 1. Fans don't determine what happens on the pitch. They didn't when not being there during lockdowns. Juventus dominated an era when playing at the Delle Alpi, despite nobody in Turin liking the place, or appreciating the travel required every game. The stadium was empty unless playing Inter, Roma & Milan - and of course against European giants in the Champions League at the time. 2. We need to stop feeling the need to explain ourselves. The entire media is filled with Gooners and Red Army ex-pros. It's not up to them how Spurs fans should feel. Tbh, the narratives constantly thrown out against Spurs, are tedious. And what's all this nonsense from Gooners saying they wouldn't do the same? Erm, yeah, course you wouldn't mate. They were doing it every season we were above them? Why are we feeling the need to explain ourselves to these bitters? 3. We've been in relegation form. If Ange wanted all out performance and a win, he should have tried the previous five games, instead of leaving it till the one game where it effectively hands the title to Arsenal, then blame us. I go back to number one. Did Spurs fans mentality make the team lose all those previous games? Nah. the team were cheered regardless of how poor it was and they still blew it. So much for mentality needing to come from the fans. 4. He kept picking players out of form, going 2-3 nil down in 1st halves, then changing it, because he kept giving these players the chance when they were making us lose. I know we've had injuries, but the constant mistakes also comes from 'the mentality' managers put out there too. 'if players make a mistake and ya did ya best and what I told you to do, then it's fine by me'. Maybe that's why we've got a team who makes mistakes every week, effectively making Champs League out of our reach? 5. I chose 5th place (needing a draw to Sheff Utd), not helping Arsenal and not pinning everything on Villa losing their last game and us winning. There's no gtee. I dunno what the hell Ange is thinking. If he doesn't wise up, he might end up not finishing fifth and that will be on him not setting up right for a draw to Sheff Utd, who will park the bus and look to break anyway. So set up for it. Don't do what we always do and get beat, looking rubbish and then talk about the fan's mentality. These managers are too busy passing blame to fans and insinuating it's my fault the team are generally hopeless, because I want Arsenal to lose. Who believes this turd? It's nonsense. haha.. anyway.. said my bit. 6. I am happy City ended up winning and I won't ever apologise for it. This season would truly be hopeless if we'd paved the way for Arsenal and I can't believe Ange doesn't see it that way. UP THE SPURS!

[@DavWalker-zu6hh]

Spurs stink

[@charlieleung2776]

Whilst you're more mature than other youtubers, you focus so much on Arsenal. I assure you, Arsenal fans only think about Spurs twice a season. You display similar behaviours to domestic abuse victims. I hope you find some healing

[@N17Stu]

Absolute bollox, u invented a day to celebrate finishing above us AND all ur fans said they’d sacrifice winning the Europa if it meant us losing the CL final. You disingenuous little worm.

[@N17Stu]

That’s just lies. U invented a day to celebrate finishing above spurs. Ur most famous chant is about spurs. Ur fans wanted to sacrifice the Europa league final to stop us winning the CL.

[@palaneproductions7357]

Seemed like more chants of HATING Arsenal than about the home team...PATHETIC club with fans who are just fickle...AP is in transit, will he stay or will he go?....The results haven't been great apart from the first quarter of the season...I dont think they will improve and he will be gone and sent back to the level he can compete at.

[@terrymeddings5563]

You should have been a comedian. Your really, really good at it.

[@N17Stu]

If u had any clue about English football, you’d know that’s sung all the time. Arsenals most famous chant is about Spurs. Educate urself before opening ur blow hole

[@dutchgrass]

Finished 5th, way above pre season predictions, in a season disrupted by injuries & mid season Int tournaments. He can compete just fine at this level.

[@palaneproductions7357]

@@dutchgrass Yes, perfectly good at losing at this level, fits spursY very well...To his credit did beat 19th.

[@palaneproductions7357]

@@terrymeddings5563 Heard the one about Spursy being a big club ..lol

[@N17Stu]

Didn’t want Arsenal to win the title and that meant what it meant. Once in a generation game.

[@OhSoSpurs]

A dilemma which only we could be faced with

[@N17Stu]

@@OhSoSpurs I watched in dismay, wanted us to play well and win when it kicked off but couldn’t enjoy a second knowing what it meant. This will be better in hindsight. If I could go back 20 years and sacrifice 3 points to stop Arsenal winning the league at WHL I would.

[@shakakarma7095]

Ange was wrong to have a go at the club he is employed at. He needs to stop crying like a baby and grow some balls.

[@terrymeddings5563]

Your the reason the club is a basket case with a low mentally. Read the room .most supporters agree with ange. I gather your a rinse and repeat supporter.move on.

[@shakakarma7095]

@@terrymeddings5563 Your not a real supporter if you wanted Arsenal to win the title. In war do you want your enemy to win. Crazy.

[@glennmaillard5972]

@@shakakarma7095Arsenal finishing above Spurs already gives them bragging rights. Pathetic, mate.

[@shakakarma7095]

@@glennmaillard5972 Arsenal not winning the league at spurs makes me elated.

[@peterkehagias]

You are an oxygen thief