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[@GrantLeitma]

Bible and SOP has the answers for us today! Praise God!

[@RyaninColorado]

Excellent program! Always enlightening. So glad that these questions are diligently researched and clearly answered in each and every episode. Praise the Lord!

[@cominginthecloudsforus]

Thank you Pastors. When we built our current home in 2013 we had it planned as a 3 bedroom, but we were advised to make use of an altered roofline and make it a 4 bedroom home. The home has always felt too big to me, but we believed that God has plans to help those who need to leave the city. After being here for over 10 years and almost zero friends and relatives taking advice and offers of help to leave the city.... we wonder if those who havent left yet ever will. Maybe it will be new believers that didnt have time to prepare. The idea of helping those that could have prepared and didn't is not as appealing. They likely wouldnt bring the right spirit or work ethic with them.

[@fekoumegni923]

Just too sweet to listen to you.

[@venessaoluchi2305]

Thank you for this video, the question "was Jesus created" came to my mind this evening, and I decided to search it and I saw your video and I saw that it was recently posted so I clicked thank you for this video ❤

[@secretsunsealed]

Thanks for sharing!

[@rogeraak7281]

"And now God says to his Son, “Let us make man in our image.” (1SP24:2). Jesus is the only begotten (born) Son of God the Father (Prov 8:24-25, 1John 4:1). “A complete offering has been made; for “God so loved the world, that he gave his only-begotten Son,”- not a son by creation, as were the angels, nor a son by adoption, as is the forgiven sinner, but A SON BEGOTTEN IN THE EXPRESS IMAGE of the Father’s person, and in ALL THE BRIGHTNESS OF HIS MAJESTY AND GLORY, ONE EQUAL WITH GOD IN AUTHORITY, DIGNITY, AND DIVINE PERFECTION.” - “Christ our Complete Saviour”, Signs of the Times {ST May 30, 1895 par. 3}

[@wymank]

Amen 🙏 🕊🍇🔥

[@user-uf5ru7si2j]

Are you saying that Christ was brought forth literally? First Ps 78:2 says Christ will open his mouth in parables. That word parables H4962 means proverbs. So a proverb is a parable and and a parables a proverb. You reference Pro 8 what about vs 22 where Christ said the Lord possessed Him in the beginning of His ways does that mean the Father has a beginning? Cause the text clearly says so. If there ever was a time that Christ was not the gospel can't be the everlasting Gospel. "Christ was appointed to the office of Mediator from the CREATION OF GOD set up from everlasting to be our substitute and surety. Before the world was made, it was arranged that the divinity of Christ should be enshrouded in humanity. " - RH April 5, 1906, par. 13 EGW says that God was created the same time that Christ was "set up" Pro 8:23 does she mean that God was created? Absolutely not! There was a time when God established His government before anything was created and this was the same time that Christ was appointed to the office of Mediator not created. Pro 8 is all about the plan of salvation. Which is its central theme.

[@user-uf5ru7si2j]

And God cannot be Love if there was a time that He was by Himself. Love is a noun and a verb. God is a unit, "Let Us make man in Our image" Gen 1:26 ( Love as a noun and verb 1 John 4:8 John 3:16 1 John 4:16) Love is others Centered never self centered. So Father, Son and Spirit loved each other before anything was created. Love can only exist in God if God is a unit not one person. That becomes selflessness which is the attribute of Satan.

[@rogeraak7281]

@@user-uf5ru7si2j Yes, I am saying that Christ was brought forth literally. That is what Prov 8 is saying. Jesus had a beginning (John 1:1). What beginning? God the Father have no beginning. If Jesus is coeternal with His Father, He could not have a beginning. But John says that Jesus have a beginning. Prov 8:23-24 says that His beginning was before the Creation. That is logic because God created heaven and Earth BY His Son. The Creation was only 6000 years ago. I suppose Jesus was born long, long time before that, but not in eternety past. I belive the same as most Adventist pioneers that it was a time when Jesus was not. They did not belive in Trinity. EGW never changes her view. The ubiblical Trinity came after her death. I certainly dos NOT believe in Trinity. I belive in God the Father, Son of God (not God the Son) an THEIR spirit (not a person).

[@rogeraak7281]

@@user-uf5ru7si2j You are so wrong! EGW said: "Love Is a Precious Gift From Jesus-Love is a precious gift, which we receive from Jesus. Pure and holy affection is NOT a feeling, but a PRINSIPLE. Those who are actuated by true love are neither unreasonable nor blind. How else can you love somebody you have never seen and don't know? And how can you love your ENEMY? True love is when you love them anyway. The Ten Commandments ARE LOVE.

[@victormendoza2539]

So sad that donation and so many lies. They’re trying to say Adventist now believe Jesus was begotten Adventist always believe that an Adventist church just recently adopted the Trinity of 1980 which Ellen White prophesied, and he said this is the omega of apostasy that they will deny Jesus, that the son of God in the dark, the Trinity.

[@SeventhDayAudio]

This one here is Mrs White's comment. The dedication of the first-born had its origin in the earliest times. God had promised to give the First-born of heaven to save the sinner. E. G. White, The Desire of Ages, p. 51. This gift was to be acknowledged in every household by the consecration of the first-born son. He was to be devoted to the priesthood, as a representative of Christ among men. “The Lord Jesus Christ, the only begotten Son of the Father, is truly God in infinity, but not in personality” (Ellen G. White, Manuscript 116, Dec. 19, 1905, ‘An Entire Consecration’, see also The Upward Look, page 367) In personality it is the Father who is the infinite God. In personality, Christ is the Son of the infinite God. Yet because Christ was brought forth (begotten) of God (the Father) He is, as Ellen White says here, “truly God in infinity”. It is only correct to say therefore that Christ is truly God in the person of the Son. Repeatedly Ellen White wrote of Christ as the Son of the infinite God. She wrote - “When Christ first announced to the heavenly host His mission and work in the world, He declared that He was to leave His position of dignity and disguise His holy mission by assuming the likeness of a man when in reality He was the Son of the infinite God” (Ellen G. White, letter, to J. H. Kellogg, Letter No. K-303, August 29th 1903). "The world's Redeemer was equal with God. His authority was as the authority of God. He declared that he had no existence separate from the Father. The authority by which he spoke, and wrought miracles, was expressly his own, yet he assures us that he and the Father are one.” (Ellen G. White, Review and Herald 7th Jan 1890, ‘Christ revealed the Father’) “God has sent his Son to communicate his own life to humanity. Christ declares, "I live by the Father,"my life and his being one." (Ellen G. White, Home Missionary, 1st, June 1897, ‘A call to the work’) Again we see it is the Father’s life (God’s own life) - through the Son. (J.E White, Past, Present and Future, p. 52. 1909) - The angels, therefore are created beings, necessarily of a lower order than their Creator. Christ is the only being begotten of the Father. He also says that the "Only one being in the Universe besides the Father, bears the name of God and that is His Son, Jesus Christ. (J.E White, The Coming King. p. 33.)

[@pilgrimsprogress6797]

Unfortunately Modern Adventism makes the excuse “you’re getting into semantics”

[@TheHolyAvatior]

That first question is staple! Especially for people like myself. How do we leave the cities in the end? How can we buy land if no money is available?

[@jahneil2213]

You need to leave the city now not in the time of trouble. When you see Jerusalem besieged know. The sign is clear, calamities, pestilence, wars, rumors of .... flee... pray and seek God. Go seeking now country living for you and ur family. Prayer and conversion is key. But you need to flee now. We are already besieged

[@TheHolyAvatior]

@@jahneil2213 it’s about the money to buy land in the country and where to go! You have some bad people in the country too!

[@PicturesSGC]

​@@jahneil2213​ just because you have to much money and don't know what to do with it doesn't mean everyone has to much! WE KNOW WE SHOULD LEAVE but when there is no money then what! I have the same problem I do believe God is a powerful God and He is able to protect His children anywhere! Just don't assume everyone has to much money!

[@jahneil2213]

I don't have any money as a father of 3 children, and just reach 30 where would I have that kinda money? Worst I live in Jamaica, it's hard here, but none of the trial or affliction can surmount God provisions. Deut 33:25 He promises as my day so my strength and by his strength I will succeed According to his riches in glory. What you lack is a living faith to know God is willing and able to supply all our need According to his riches in glory. JUST PRAY BRETHEN AND MOVE BY FAITH. ISREAL in Eygpt was broke! But they have God so money don't matter Faith is his ability does. EPHESIANS 3:20.

[@TeStOs78]

@@jahneil2213 You live on the island of Jamaica, which would make it easier for you to adapt to such even if you say you don't have money, as most likely you're already residing in the countryside or some suburban area and the cities in third world countries are still on a different dimension. I think that those who are able to, will do by the moving of the Spirit upon them, but those who can't, the Lord is able to keep them & preserve term by faith in times of trouble. No where will escapes troubling times but it just means that inside the big cities will be harder, but there's nothing that God isn't able to do for those who are faithful to him.

[@3rdtimothy176]

We can't be joint heirs with our father

[@glendaduncan7089]

To be Created Is NOT Something That Was with Hands. It's By THE Word of God.

[@josphinewhatacermonbailey5302]

Maybe they are looking at the tex that say he was creared a little Lower than the angel s but for we i think its written in contex

[@janosterud4188]

Why in talking about the substance of Jesus is Mary's contribution left out......curious

[@KarenlisaHetherington]

Jesus is the Son of God. Conceived by the Spirit. Mary was a sinner and in need of a Saviour just like you and I. Yes, God blessed her by choosing her to be His Son's human mother on earth... Jesus was God manifested in the flesh. Mary has no divinity of herself. She is human born of the flesh.

[@TeStOs78]

Mary is merely that human vessel who chosen for the incarnation the eternal Son into human flesh, but she shouldn't glorified as if she was a sinless woman as the Catholics fabricate her to be. God the Son took upon himself the likeness of sinful flesh with its infirmities by being born of her, but he didn't inherit the innate carnal tendencies & nature that we have all inherited from Adam. Mary needs a Savior just like you, me and everyone else.

[@daughterofthemosthigh8064]

Because Jesus was in heaven before he came to earth, his beginning wasn't with Mary

[@KarenlisaHetherington]

@janosterud4188. Because Mary was born of flesh and blood and needed a Saviour like YOU and ME! Mary is NOT devine she was a human being, a sinner like YOU and ME.

[@vilmaduncan5503]

I'm

[@Simon-Simon-Simon]

CAN we be one with the FATHER was ADAM AND EVE one with the FATHER

[@cedricvandermescht896]

Moses was made a god (eloheem) by the Father… “Exo 7:1 And the LORD H3068  said H559  unto H413  Moses, H4872  See, H7200  I have made H5414  thee a god H430  to Pharaoh: H6547  and Aaron H175  thy brother H251  shall be H1961  thy prophet. H5030 “So John 1:1 says nothing…😢

[@pilgrimsprogress6797]

14:58 Who is the Christ? But these are written, that ye might believe that *Jesus is the Christ, the Son of God* ; and that believing ye might have life through his name. (John 20:31) Do you believe that Christ is the Son of the living God or the second person of the Trinity “God the Son” who takes a functioning role of a son? If you believe the latter this is the manifestation of Antichrist.

[@cedricvandermescht896]

Cumbered with humanity, Christ could not be in every place personally; therefore it was altogether for their advantage that He should leave them, go to His father, and send the Holy Spirit to be His successor on earth. The Holy Spirit is Himself divested of the personality of humanity and independent thereof. He would represent Himself as present in all places by His Holy Spirit, as the Omnipresent. “But the Comforter, which is the Holy Ghost, whom the Father will send in My name, He shall (although unseen by you), [This phrase was added by Ellen White.] teach you all things, and bring all things to your remembrance, whatsoever I have said unto you” [John 14:26]. “Nevertheless I tell you the truth; It is expedient for you that I go away: for if I go not away, the Comforter will come not unto you; but if I depart, I will send Him unto you” [John 16:7]. . 14MR 23.3

[@19818456]

Ellen White did say that Christ had a beginning, created in a sense

[@francois1546]

Begotten from the bosom of the Father “A complete offering has been made; for “God so loved the world, that he gave his only-begotten Son,”-not a son by creation, as were the angels, nor a son by adoption, as is the forgiven sinner, but a Son begotten in the express image of the Father's person, and in all the brightness of his majesty and glory, one equal with God in authority, dignity, and divine perfection. In him dwelt all the fullness of the Godhead bodily. ST May 30, 1895, par. 3 “And the Son of God declares concerning Himself: “The LORD possessed me in the beginning of his way, before his works of old. I was set up from everlasting, from the beginning, or ever the earth was. When there were no depths, I was brought forth…….before the hills was I brought forth…. I was by him, as one brought up with him: and I was daily his delight, rejoicing always before him; ” Proverbs 8:22-30. PP 34.1

[@mikesiret5171]

@@francois1546 So God, the Father gave birth? Can a male give birth?

[@francois1546]

@@mikesiret5171 I do not think it is propper to compare God with humanity. Can man create something out of nothing like God? No We can certainly learn a lot from nature, and also from the fact that God said to His Son "let us make man in our image " If we look at the lowest\smallest form of life, the cell, and we watch mitosis take place. We see a single cell and if you blink you will have missed cell division taking place. All you see is two identical and indistinguishable cells If a part of God's creation can manage to bring another forth from itself, imagine what a God who is the source of all creation can do.

[@francois1546]

@@mikesiret5171 I do not think it proper to compare God with humanity, but we can certainly learn much from God’s creation. If we look at the smallest form of life, the cell, and we watch mitosis taking place, we will be looking at a single cell and a moment later we will be looking at an exact copy of the second cell that was brought forth from the first, another cell that is indistinguishable from the other. If the lowest form of life can bring another forth without having a mother, imagine what God the source of all life can do.

[@francois1546]

"The Lord Jesus Christ, the only begotten Son of the Father, is truly God in infinity, but not in personality." 20LtMs, Ms 116, 1905, par. 19 Christ's Personality did not begin with His Incarnation in the Flesh, It continued with his incarnation. If Christ's personality did not start with his incarnation, but before His incarnation, and if He is not God in personality, then He was not God in personality before His incarnation either. If Jesus is NOT God in personality, WHO IS GOD IN PERSONALITY? Could it be the Ancient of Days, God the Father, the Only One we ever find alone on the Throne, ruling as the God of the Universe? "Our heavenly Father is the God of the universe, and Christ is the divine Son, the One equal with the Father." 21LtMs, Ms 49, 1906, par. 26 "God is the Father of Christ; and Christ is the Son of God. To Christ has been given an exalted position. He has been made equal with the Father. All the councils of God are opened unto His Son. " 18LtMs And this all took place before Sin and creation according to EG Whit in Patriarchs and Prophets ch

[@josphinewhatacermonbailey5302]

in the beginine was the word and the word was God

[@truthbebold4009]

... And the word was WITH God...

[@francois1546]

The correct translation actually states... "In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with THE God, and the Word was God." the article "THE " is left out in the translation of the Greek. John distinguished "The God " from His Son, who is God by Nature.

[@gideonopyotuadebo2304]

was man not created by God yehovah? Was jesus not a man? Immanueleans God with us not God becomean or man become God as mirepresented by many misguided preachers.

[@francois1546]

I do not think it proper to compare God with humanity, but we can certainly learn much from God’s creation. If we look at the smallest form of life, the cell, and we watch mitosis taking place, we will be looking at a single cell and a moment later we will be looking at an exact copy of the second cell that was brought forth from the first, another cell that is indistinguishable from the other. If the lowest form of life can bring another forth without having a mother, imagine what God the source of all life can do. Further more: "And now God says to his Son, “Let us make man in our image.” (1SP24:2). When God created man in His image, He created a single male. He then took from the substance of Adam and formed a female. He did not create Eve from the dust, he formed her from the substance of Adam that was already created. Eve was therefore FORMED from Adam a created being and that makes Eve part of creation. God stands outside of creation as the source of all life. If God is an eternal uncreated being, and by some unknown means brings forth from His very own uncreated substance a Son, His Only Begotten Son, is His Son part of creation, or is His Son the beginning of another Divine personality. "God sent His own Son in the likeness of sinful flesh, liable to physical infirmities, tempted in all points like as we are. He was the Son of the living God. His personality did not begin with His incarnation in the flesh." - (E.G. White, Lt77, Aug 3, 1894) "The Lord Jesus Christ, the only begotten Son of the Father, is truly God in infinity, but not in personality." 20LtMs, Ms 116, 1905, par. 19 Christ's Personality did not begin with His Incarnation in the Flesh, It continued with his incarnation. If Christ's personality did not start with his incarnation, but before His incarnation, and if He is not God in personality, then He was not God in personality before His incarnation either. If Jesus is NOT God in personality, WHO IS GOD IN PERSONALITY? Could it be the Ancient of Days, God the Father, the Only One we ever find alone on the Throne, ruling as the God of the Universe? "Our heavenly Father is the God of the universe, and Christ is the divine Son, the One equal with the Father." 21LtMs, Ms 49, 1906, par. 26 "God is the Father of Christ; and Christ is the Son of God. To Christ has been given an exalted position. He has been made equal with the Father. All the councils of God are opened unto His Son. " 18LtMs And this all took place before Sin and creation according to EG Whit in Patriarchs and Prophets ch1

[@user-hf1ys4rr5h]

Mitosis came to my mind around the year 2021 as the perfect example for finite minds to think about the Father and Jesus, in much the same way we use the simplest means of explaining something to a very young child. In this construct, the original cell has the quality of eternity, omniscience, etc. and it divided itself to create a second self, as it were. The second cell that is derived from it also has the exact qualities as the original. It is a duplicate of the original, but it is very much a fully individualistic and separate entity. The second cell is not defined by its originating point because its qualities of being eternal, etc., override its originating point: it is as good as not having had a beginning because its origin serves only as a description to differentiate between it and the original cell.

[@Faith2Believe]

Jesus is knit in the womb of Mary in the flesh. Flesh is created and God the man is of the Father God. God is a Spirit so Jesus is the Son of God indwelling of the Holy Spirit.

[@vaio4908]

This is really messed up. Jesus is the Creator of the earth and you and me. He is not a created being. He was, is and will be God. Jesus described Himself as the great "I am".

[@francois1546]

@@vaio4908 We can form a better understanding of scripture by not neglecting any scriptures and especially all the directly quoted words of Christ. If Christ speaks it is to give us understanding and to prevent deception. Jesus speaking, so it must be important to take to heart and understand: Jhn 5:26 For as the Father hath life in himself; so hath he given to the Son to have life in himself; When did The Father give the Life that He had in Himself so that Christ could have Life in Himself? The Son of God came and clothed His divinity with humanity and took the form of a human, to become the Son of man. Jesus therfore already had Life in Himself before He became the Son of Man. Proverbs 8:22 gives us a liitle glimpse to when Christ, the Wisdom of God was Begotten or Brought Forth, from the Father. Proverbs8:22- "The LORD possessed me in the beginning of his way, before his works of old. I was set up from everlasting, from the beginning, or ever the earth was. When there were no depths, I was brought forth…….before the hills was I brought forth…. I was by him, as one brought up with him: and I was daily his delight, rejoicing always before him; ” Proverbs 8:22-30. 1Co 1:24 But unto them which are called, both Jews and Greeks, Christ the power of God, and the wisdom of God God is not a created being He stands outside of creation, so if He brought forth a Son from Himself, His Son would be His very own substance. (DNA in human terms) Jesus is therfore also outside of creation, because all things was created by Christ, through the power of His Father 1Cor8:6 Jesus would also be as much God as His Father is God, Just like a Human fathers child is as much human as his father.

[@francois1546]

God Manifested His love by Sending His Son Into the world, the same son by which The Father as the source of all life, created the world 1Cor 8:6, John 1:3. Jhn 5:26 For as the Father hath life in himself; so hath he given to the Son to have life in himself; When did The Father give the son this life? It had to be before God sent him, to become the Son of Man, because Christ’s Life did not start at Bethlehem. Proverbs 8 gives us a glimpse of when Christ, "The Wisdom of God" 1Corinthians 1:24, was brought fourth Proverbs 8:22- “The LORD possessed me in the beginning of his way, before his works of old. I was set up from everlasting, from the beginning, or ever the earth was. When there were no depths, I was brought forth…….before the hills was I brought forth…. I was by him, as one brought up with him: and I was daily his delight, rejoicing always before him; ” Proverbs 8:22-30. Christ was brought forth before time started, He is therfore from eternity. Brought forth from the substance of the Father, He is therfore as much God, as is my son human. And since God's substance is not part of creation, Christ is not created, but Begotten from Him that stands outside of creation.