Was The Geforce 4 Ti 4600 Good or Bad?

Was the Geforce 4 Ti 4600 Good or Bad?
Today, we're take a look back at the GF4 Ti 4600 and work out was it a good or bad GPU? Did Nvidia rush out a new GPU, or was it relevant for the time.
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[@PixelPipes]

Some beautiful photography! Excellent video! One thing to note quickly is a bone stock Ti4600 should actually be running at 650MHz (effective) memory. 550MHz would be the Ti4400 (or 4800SE).

[@TheVanillatech]

A friend of mine bought a Ti4600 on launch day and I remember watching him playing Dungeon Siege for hours at some insane resolution and graphical settings. It was a beast of a card, short lived due to it's complete fail at DX9. It made my GF 2 Ultra look slow in comparison. Interestingly, a few years back EVGA wanted someone, anyone, to send them a model of their own Ti4600 because they had lost theirs from their display. They were willing to pay $1000 EVGA dollars, essentially you could have swapped a Ti4600 for a 1080Ti back in 2018, if you were lucky enough to have an EVGA Ti4600 in your spares box. I don't have a Ti4600 anymore but I have a Ti4800, which is just the same but with 8x AGP (I think).

[@mtunayucer]

Gf3 video was the reason why i subbed. Your videos are very good considering how small the channel is! Keep up the good work! :)

[@SUCRA]

Great video. I have done a video on the 4600, but I'm researching for another video with the 4600 deluxe, this was great input. Thanks.

[@Wigglythegreat2]

Very nice. I have a Chaintech GeForce 4 ti4600 card. It has black pcb with gold heatsinks. It quit working and was past the warranty so I just kept it. I also have some other older card like a Voodoo 3 pci, a Voodoo 5 AGP, a GeForce 3 card that I can't remember the model of, and I think a Diamond Viper card I think it came out around the Voodoo 3 times. Ahh great memories. As far as I know they all work except the Chaintech card.

[@megabojan1993]

I remember this card as being quite good back in 2002. Sadly I wasn't able afford it and I had a crappy GeForce MX 420 instead, which still works to this day in my old PC :)

[@GhettoPCbuilds]

I heard that card was a fockin sham and lacking features even the 3 series had

[@maxmoko3577]

Really love the PCPORN Factor,also outstanding videowork,music is also good!Keep it buddy :)

[@ElectricSkyUK]

Thanks for your informative video (and amazing into). Just bagged what appeared to be the only Asus TI 4400 on the internet, hoping it's in good condition, paid enough for it £132!). Doesn't have the beautiful golden heatsink on it but purple all the way. It's for an XP build (have a Herc Prophet PRO GF2 in a win98 build). Love these oldskool designs.

[@jensfischer21]

Love these video's my dreamcard back in the early 2000s

[@robwebnoid5763]

I still have my Ti-4600, MSI brand, which I bought around 2002, around $150 usd iirc, with video input ports for recording & DVI-out. Still one of the best investments I have made.

[@arturogonzalez225]

The intro was so well made

[@RealComp5]

I had a Ti 4600, upgraded from an MX440. I played BF1942 on that thing and it ran beautifully. Dumped so many hours into that game.

[@sniperwipers]

DAMNNNNNNNNNNNN I bought this when it first came out in 2002 i think. Cost £350 at the time. Couldn't believe i spent that much on a card haha

[@TheVanillatech]

Yup. I did the same thing a few years earlier with a GF 2 ultra. I was single, so it didn't matter and I didn't care.

[@CooperMcKay]

Great Video! In my experience the PNY GeForce 4 Ti 4600 I have had a bad fan it was super loud and clicky, I tried to fix it but I couldn't. Then I got a GeForce 4 Ti 4200 128 mb overclocked and it's fantastic in my Windows 98 retro build!

[@TheVanillatech]

Couldn't you swap the fans?

[@brendonlaucheekeong636]

When I have to choose 3 Graphic cards with 128mb ram Titanium 4200 or 4400 or 4600, i choose cheapest Titanium 4200 128mb ram and save myself 1 - 2 hundreds dollars for playing frozen throne on battlenet. Then when my pentium 4 desktop got problem i go buy spare parts like PSU 30 dollars & new graphic card about 1 hundred dollars to last me for 1-2 years before i bought my Intel core 2 duo E8500 on Feb2009 until May2024 with a new afox motherboard bought on july 2019 that supports DDR 3 dual channel 1066mhz. But window 7 -64bit no longer support so i cannot install new graphic card driver of GT 1030 on intel core 2 duo and that is why i bought AMD 4600G.

[@ironinquisitor3656]

I'm still thinking about getting one of these for a Windows 98 Gaming PC build.

[@soylentgreenb]

You should just be aware that this will force you to use quite late GPU drivers, which have much higher CPU overhead. If you go with something "slow" like a pentium III slot 1 system you might want a geforce 2 or something instead. With a fast CPU the overhead doesn't matter.

[@ДмитрийЗахаров-ж2р]

I think, GeForce 4 Ti 4600 - is the best videocard for the first part of Splinter Cell (best looking buffer shadows, when GeForce FX).

[@TheVanillatech]

Thats interesting you said "Green Envy" given that "Nvidia" is latin for "Envy" and also their symbol is a green eye! Very interesting, and either an amazing coincidence or you're a clever bugger! I'll vote clever bugger. Great video by the way!

[@theshadowman1398]

I really want to get hold of one to flash it for my retro Mac. This is the last card that has OS9 drivers and it the most powerful OS9 card.

[@mattiautio]

do you still need one?

[@Russell970]

Wow, Just wow how high the quality is, You must have much more subscribers! Although i subscribed and i will make multi accounts to increase your subscribers tag, No joke you're so good mate, Can you please do a modern video about the GT 640? Because since 2014 nobody has reviewed it or even thought about it in terms of retro gaming or modern retro gaming. Thanks

[@sgtjarhead99]

I had this card. Upgraded to it from a GeForce3. Really enjoyed it until the ATI 9700 Pro came along and pretty much blew nVidia out of the water.

[@MikesTrackBuilding]

I just got one of these in a complete P4 machine today....yet to test....but may have got a win :)

[@CuttingEdgeRetro]

They are worth a lot of money if they are in good condition with pristine copper

[@MikesTrackBuilding]

@@CuttingEdgeRetro I had no idea lol. Got the whole PC for $20. AOpen HQ08C case, Asus P4S533 M/B, P4 2.26 CPU. Plugged it in and away it went. Just dusty. I am going to pull it apart and give it a good clean. The video card is dusty, but should come up OK. I have the glasses as well. What sort of $$$ would one of these card bring in pristine condition?

[@soylentgreenb]

​@@MikesTrackBuilding Ebay prices probably a couple of hundred dollars, when it eventually sells. That's what people are asking for them anyway. Local equivalents to ebay, maybe much less sometimes. That's due to the seller putting them up for a low starting bid and a bidding war just didn't happen by some random chance (there's a finite number of people at any given time looking for these and on smaller local auction sites you don't have as many bidders). Or for whatever reason there is something vaguely "wrong" with the card; not necessarily a real thing but ugly cooler design, noisy fan, non-descript OEM card. I bought a Quadro4 980 XGL ("ti 4600" workstation card) for $30-ish + shipping recently in my local currency. It's not branded ti 4600 and the cooler is fairly generic and does not really look like a ti 4600 cooler. Likely it's got better binned silicon than a "real" ti 4600, same exact hardware, and you can flash it to a ti 4600 if you really want that for some reason. I also have a dumpster find ti4400 that I don't think would sell for much. It's a ti4400 for starters, but it also has that heinous ASUS "blowfish" cooler. You saw that nice copper cooler on the ASUS ti 4600 in this video; well the ASUS ti 4400 sported this cooler: images.anandtech.com/reviews/video/roundups/2002/05/gf4tiroundup/asus4400f.jpg . Jesus why?

[@TheVanillatech]

@@MikesTrackBuilding An original working Ti4600 in great condition (not the shitty ten a penny workstation variants) are worth a lot of money. They are one of the rarest "flagship" AGP GPU's along with the 6800 Ultra. I don't count the FX5800 Ultra because they are pretty much impossible to find and so fetch an insane price. Put the 4600 on AmiBay and it should sell for a similar price to eBay if you factor in the fees eBay takes post sale. Ballpark figure would be £120-£200 depending on condition and model. Lots of people looking for the rare Ti4600. You shouldn't be waiting too long. Just make sure to upload lots of decent pics of the card and how it works on AmiBay. Good luck!

[@MikesTrackBuilding]

@@soylentgreenb Yuuuuk! That would make a maggot spew lol

[@AtariBorn]

Lol. I could really see you, from another angle, waving toy light sabers over that GPU for the dramatic shots.

[@CuttingEdgeRetro]

They were blue 30cm cold cathodes ;)

[@AtariBorn]

@@CuttingEdgeRetro Yeah, that's about as close as we are to light sabers.

[@IronicTonic8]

Probably worth mentioning that I found a Geforce4 Ti 4600 (same model you have) in a lot of old graphics cards on Ebay. The card is in full working order and nearly pristine condition. The lot had 4 card in it and 3 out of 4 were in working condition (All Geforce4 Ti models). I believe I paid about $60 for the entire lot. Now I just need to find the illusive Geforce FX 5800 Ultra...

[@MalfunctioningAndroid]

Did you succeed?

[@IronicTonic8]

@@MalfunctioningAndroid Nope, I've all but given up on it. I've seen a few sell for $2000+ on ebay, never seen one in the wild yet.

[@redleader6442]

Out of curiosity, why go for a jet turbine 5800 Ultra when the 5950 Ultra is a faster, cooler and far quieter performer? Also seems easier to find. I hope that if you do find a 5800 Ultra, it goes under your desk so you can hear your games. Lol.

[@IronicTonic8]

@@redleader6442 Well, it's just for collecting purposes, not to actually use it. I already own every version of the FX 5900 series including the 5900 XT, 5900 vanilla, 5900 Ultra, and the 5950 Ultra. Obtaining the 5800 Ultra is just a 'gotta collect them all' situation. At this point I've mostly give up looking for one.

[@redleader6442]

Something tells me that the cause for your hardship in locating one is because of the inefficient cooling method NVIDIA used causing them all to eventually burn out. Maybe find one with a third party cooler? Did Asus or EVGA make any? Also, I get it. I use my 5950 Ultra for my XP era gaming, so it's easier for me to assume that people get cards to use them as often as they collect them.

[@soylentgreenb]

For windows 98SE gaming the ti4200 is not necessarily the one to get. CPU overhead was added to the drivers gradually from the TNT2 to the geforce FX, really weighing them down on a slow CPU. For something like a pentium III slot 1 system what you want is somewhere between TNT2 and geforce 2, or maybe a voodoo 2. If you have a very fast CPU like a athlon XP or tualatin the Ti4200 or one of the FX series makes a lot of sense. If you get an FX 5900 non-ultra, which is still occassionally found cheaply, you get a lot of CPU overhead, but you also get almost free anisotropic. 9700 is more of a collectors card. They had a bad shim/cooling pad solution and finding them now is expensive and they might not work very long. The 9800 is a better bet and much cheaper (pro or non-pro or XT doesn't matter much, just don't get the 128-bit memory version) , but feels more like a windows XP card to me. I opted for a Win98SE system that is "authentic" (what I had) with a TNT M64 and one that is rather spicy for a windows 98; with FX 5900 non-U with a fast core 2 duo. A3D 2.0 is essential and a key part of the reason to own a windows 98 machine.

[@CuttingEdgeRetro]

I'll try answers what I can. The gf4 cards are good for high resolution win98 gaming vs something like a pair of 3dfx V2s that's limited to 1024x768. I have a P3 1.4 tualitin 98 system with a GeForce 2 ti and my 2 voodoos in it. That's my preference.

[@CuttingEdgeRetro]

Your right with 9700 vs 9800 etc. I have all the Radeon 9k series cards. The sweet spot is my 9500 pro for win98. With 9700/9800 being better for XP.

[@CuttingEdgeRetro]

Im about to upload a 2020 GPU collection update video where I go back over my entire collection and my builds. Stay tuned for that.

[@TheVanillatech]

@@CuttingEdgeRetro Are there any other cards you're looking for in particular? I was having a huge sell last year but I stopped half way through (got bored of the constant forum checking and packing and post office runs). Still got loads left, including some oddities. Let me know if you're still collecting.

[@PimpinBassie2]

I have the non-deluxe one without the 3d glasses jack. Do you have those glasses?

[@soylentgreenb]

You need a fast cpu for this card. If you're building something like a fast slot 1 then geforce 2 is significantly faster; less driver overhead with an earlier driver.

[@genx156]

Great video - Thanks. I just got a Geforce 4 TI 4200 128mb (Aopen model 4xAGP) for a retro Shuttle XPC (and to run Star Trek DS9: Dominion Wars - Which it does after a few patches :-) Phew) I was wondering about the cooling fan's on this generation of card, are they just set to run at a set speed or do they slow down depending on temps ? I ask because mine just runs at 1 high speed and it's a little noisy - Thanks.

[@CuttingEdgeRetro]

Cards of this generation had 1 speed. 100%.

[@alexclaudiu2003]

Hello, what is the name of the first game in video?

[@supermario8416]

The GF 4 TI was just a higher clocked GF 3 TI.

[@CuttingEdgeRetro]

Not quiet. Its core arrangement was similar but it had updated feature sets and working voltages, it was also on a new process node. So really its like the equivalent of Zen+ was to Zen.

[@fourthdirective]

The original Xbox GPU specs are very close to the GeForce Ti 4200

[@CuttingEdgeRetro]

It was a GF3 at its roots but they also added features later seen on the GF4 cards. But it was custom similar to today's AMD chips in consoles. It has roots in a particular generation of process but Taylor made for the power budget and target performance of the console.

[@giovannip.1433]

I have a chaintech g.force 4 agt61 Ti card. finding it hard to find info on it since it's so old- extra heat sinks.

[@jeanpaultongeren125]

I Had a MSI Ti 4200, and a Geforce 4 TI 4200 128mb (Aopen model 4xAGP) it died.

[@lilkuz2005]

hey Modzy, i have a geforce4 ti 4400, i bought it to use in a windows 98se build, using a 1ghz p3, im getting major fps dips in most games and i was wanting to know if you tested this card in windows 98 and what kind of experience did you get from it? did you use a faster P4 or AMD cpu? nice educational video.

[@lilkuz2005]

i have been playing all sorts of games, need for speed 3 and 4, rune, expandable, defiance, forsaken, quake 1-3, in quake 3 timedemo 1 im getting 93 fps, i was getting 98 fps using an older driver, im testing various drivers now, going to start benching all of my vintage graphics cards in windows 98, so im trying to first make sure my system is 100% stable and performing well, and then dial in the right drivers for each card, when trying to enable agp 4x mode, i get artifacts in games, and performance isn't improved by more then 2-3 fps, so i have disabled via 4x mode. system specs: asus p3v4x apollo pro 133a intel pIII 1ghz 133fsb slot 1 2x256mb crucial 133mhz ram sound blaster audigy 2 zs WDM driver sound blaster AWE64 value geforce4 ti 4400 200gb hdd split in 2 partitions

[@lilkuz2005]

Modzy's Retro Collection I'm using fraps v1.9d in windows 98se, I'm not sure if any newer versions will work but this version is missing the benchmark option

[@soylentgreenb]

Use the earliest driver. Later drivers added more CPU overhead.

[@bytesaber]

What was the difference between the V8460 Ultra and the V8460 Ultra Deluxe?

[@CuttingEdgeRetro]

The very minor clock speeds, heatsink and included accessories. The ultra deluxe came with the Asus VR100 glasses. Ultra has the basic small fan with fish decal on it.

[@adg1355]

NV25 was kinda incomplete.

[@tHeWasTeDYouTh]

Launch Price 399 USD

[@CuttingEdgeRetro]

I speak in Aussie dollars since it's my native currency and this card was sold for $999 AUD when it launched here.

[@tHeWasTeDYouTh]

@@CuttingEdgeRetro 999 dollars in 2000 are equivalent to 1,680.88 dollars in 2020 (aussie dollar) how do people even game in Australia??? rip aussie gamers

[@BuildProne]

how do you overclock old geforce 4 cards? i can find absolutely no information online anywhere. I was given a practically brand new msi geforce 4 ti 4800se x8 with the original box included games drivers and everything. but the included overclocking software in the driver disk once installed if I click the desktop app it does nothing but open a blank dead websight page instead of launching the app.

[@BuildProne]

I ended up getting an XFX geforce 6200agp 256mb and taking riva tuner to it. got the core from 350mhz to 450mhz and pretty high on the memory too. But just last month I ended up changing the hole build cause I won the rare pentium 4 extreme edition ht SL7Z4 3.73ghz for $54. So I completely redesigned my build and now have 4gbddr2 pentium 4 extreme edition and 7900gtx.

[@MA-jz4yc]

It's better than the 4060 Ti thats for sure

[@microterf]

I bought the ti 4600 when it came out and it was only $400

[@Igorsov]

Only?

[@angieandretti]

Did you ever do another video where you tell the story of the FX series?

[@CuttingEdgeRetro]

Not yet. But it is planned. I was waiting to get a couple of the cards first.

[@unrealdevon]

Anyone has the height dimension and maybe width on this card or any of the 4ti series? Im building a very sff pc and i can only find lenght information.

[@CuttingEdgeRetro]

Just measure a pci bracket and add 7mm

[@Cade_Squirrel]

I bought one on Ebay for £35 untested, I think for the price it is worth the risk

[@woodsmand]

it was good, until the radeon 9700 came out and shat all over it

[@kummingchang6031]

now buy gt710 winner her

[@gioarzumanov9937]

у меня такаяяя продою

[@samuelstyles5031]

can the ti 4600 run FEAR?