Was The SoD Heat Mechanic A Mistake?

[@TerrorTheToast]

I think the fire resistance itself isnt the problem. The problem is to get 226 of it. If you would have cut that down to 150FR it would paint a completely different picture

[@dreviuz7183]

it gave people something to do during phase 4, I don't personally understand the hate behind the heat mechanics... imagine they didnt do anything, but just add 1-2 new mechanic to each boss with their HP/DMG Increased. Once a week MC is gonna be facerolled after 3-4 weeks and then people will complain theres nothing to do.. lol!

[@chrisarnone8704]

It’s not about the mechanics it’s about the barrier to entry and the extra loot that comes with doing heat 3, normal people don’t want to farm dailies for 20+ days or buy gold so they can buy the FR gear themselves. It makes people stop playing and that is the worse thing you can do for wow classic. Even 0.5 is like 1000g+ investment. Even though I do all of the above most people won’t / don’t want to and an empty game is worse than me enjoying a grind because it’s something to do, for the grinders you could just have more alts

[@ripcrusader]

Then go h1 same items no fr items​@@chrisarnone8704

[@_mend4mad_11]

I am amazed we have the whole 8 ppl with brains.

[@Lithid303]

The main problem is the money sink to get 226 FR. Not being able to use the gear you get in the raid is disappointing. 62 FR from tier is not enough for most classes. Harder mechanics (new mechanics) and no Resistance would’ve been better.

[@stonecold91]

If the tier pieces had more FR and we could use em to get that 226fr then more and more ppl would be willing to spend money for the enchants. Spending that kind of money for bad gear does not feel good. So for me, the misfortune about heat levels is that.

[@h20dickless]

For me it was cheap it only costed me 140 gold for my fire res its not that hard

[@ToHonorKnowledge]

The tier prices are mostly bis for heat 3, like my warlock is wearing 100% raid gear, 7/8 t1. Only 1 crafted FR piece, the flare core gloves

[@ToHonorKnowledge]

@@stonecold91you can, , warlock, pally, rogue and others wear mostly their their set for FR.

[@kengxi]

They used SoM mechanics which was a huge mistake. These mechanics were meant to nerf vanilla warriors by literally not letting them auto attack a lot so they don't top meters by 1k dps over the other classes.

[@Pompowianka]

I like the heat system, everyone gets what they want, there are new grinds to get the items, all of the cons seem like a stretch

[@andrewlawrence4782]

I liked the heat mechanicals, felt like a good throwback to vanilla.

[@lolpaladins]

My guild started off with heat 1 for the first 2 resets (couldn't even clear it first half-week because it was half pugs and we only raid 1 day a week)... then we spent the next 2 weeks doing heat 2. Finally this week we cleared Heat 3. For my particular guild, it worked out well because the officers worked hard to make sure everyone got the benefit of the loot from the raids to improve their Fire Resistance gear, but I could see how it wouldn't have worked well for the next several groups, since we are not held back by skill, but instead we are "casual" because of low playtime players. If there had only been 2 difficulties, and heat 1 and heat 2 included all the molten gear and "the molten core" extra boss, I think I'd have been pretty happy. Despite us clearing heat 3, it wasn't "fun" for us like Heat 2 was since we had to give up so much dps just to hit the Fire Resist requirements.

[@hyderalhassani4907]

Hit the nail on the head with the people who want to grind for FR and those who don't. We are literally debating this in my guild right now. Personally it feels bad to spend half my gold on FR gear and I cba.

[@matthuckleberry5238]

What else would you spend gold on? Lmao

[@Iron.Tarkus]

I liked the heat level system however I believe a big part of why people aren't doing heat level 3 is because you can't get enough FR from just raiding. I think having it behind awkward dungeon runs for the librams and the expensive crafted gear hurts it a lot. If tier gear had a bit more FR on it I think that would be perfect. I'm currently running heat level 2 on farm and haven't attempted 3 yet because a few people don't have the FR.

[@Behemoth617]

Hydraxx trinket, fire jujus, BoE mats and gear exist for you to help your guild gear up for FR. If a few people in your guild are struggling to hit the number you will get them closer every week by just running the raid.

[@pepelaugh3993]

Our guild just doesn’t even bother with heat 3. We just stay at heat2.

[@mace124]

I agree with this video so much. Describes so many casual guilds. We will never go past heat 2 because certain guild members flat out won’t even attempt to get the 226 which is a good portion. If we say fuck off to this people we are loosing people we like and also having to pug which is shit. Being gate kept from the new boss in molten core feels bad

[@FridayFables]

Yes. Should've left it at the SoM mechanics, same difficulty for everyone, with buffed loot drops to fit the gearing process. Adding raid difficulties to raids is for wrath and onward. Its not a good thing for vanilla, and was already kind of disappointing for AQ in SoM.

[@Kanekri]

i dont think it was near a failure all the opposite, it extended progression beyond raid login by interacting with forgotten reps in vanilla for an OPTIONAL "harder content" with just estetic rewards but i can understand if u wanna see something more fancy or new, atleast we got a secret funny boss and the som boss raid mechanics (who no one played lol)

[@dmitro4922]

You are right! My guild was founded because we speak the same language. Not many Ukrainians play WoW now, even though they are still divided among servers and factions. I have collected almost all for the heat 3, but I have to play heat 1 because many of my guildmates do not want to or cannot collect fire resistance. In addition to this, we still have to rely on pugs. Now, after we kill Ragnaros, I don't get the same feeling I would have if we killed him on heat 2 or 3

[@Ludydobry]

I like that they made different versions of the raid. Im FR capped as Tank but havent went to H3 yet , doing H2 for now and im having fun, extra loot and difficulty is good, my guild never cleared it without wiping at least on 1 boss. If you cant get the 96+ FR then there is always normal mode, loot is still there to take.

[@belavet]

I don't think it was a flat out mistake. But I do think the mistake that WAS made was not giving all classes relevant gear AND making much of the relevant gear crafted. A progression system whereby the instance drops items relevant to your spec/class with higher fire resist would've been the answer to this. Instead, it became "people who spend a ton of gold week one on crafted stuff get to clear". That doesn't feel like progression. That feels almost pay to win.

[@bspus]

As a casual I think the heat system works well. My guild has 2 MC raids. One intended for the A team, trying to go full H3 eventually and a second raid to help alts, casuals and get the occasional pug. I'm happy to stay in the B team till the end of the phase. But I also like the idea of sacrificing bis gear. It actually gives purpose to items like all the thorium brotherhood/dark iron epic pieces that nobody would bother with otherwise. Not everybody has to do H3, and that's OK. Tryhards get their vanity gear, casuals get to see all content and get functionally equivalent gear. What exactly is the problem here I cannot understand.

[@fearture7485]

It just feels like there's a wall in between the playerbase and the community. Seeing Tim & Josh in recent interviews is great, but unfortunately those are kind of retrospective. I'd rather see more proactive discussions, maybe in the form of the poling system that everyone keeps talking about, or finding a community ambassadors like Hammerdance or the Countdown podcast (since they both were part of the aforementioned interviews, and Countdown had almost a 0 questions held back approach which was really fair for both us and the devs to answer). It's true that Blizzard has changed it's stance on being transparent due to the toxic backlash they receive usually shouting over the actual constructive criticism, which is why at least having some kind of system for communication with them before releasing a feature (since open betas aren't really the same in SoD as they are in retail/progression) is probably a realistic and fair way to go.

[@claytongiampaolo7848]

They should have doubled the fire resist on tier gear then people wouldnt hate it so much.

[@Kupoinfo]

My alt is stuck cause the raid group just raid logs and isn't 200 FR. My alt is ready for heat 3, but lacks the people who are also as dedicated to farm the gear. Even though if you just do your dailies every day for the week, you can afford to just outright buy the pieces off the AH.

[@messaroundhandleit]

Garr is the worst fight, cause of the dispelling. He seems to dispel player buffs first and then consumes. Our healer mage ended up losing every single buff, and flask, by the end of the fight. I died, cause my motw and some other fr resist buffs were dispelled, putting me under the cap, and died instantly.

[@Tetter.]

I really like the FR requirements, needs more incentive to heat 3 i guess, or find a way convert FR into DPS

[@kengxi]

My only real complaint is that most people did not know of the FR requirements until it was too late and people spent a crap ton of time grinding T 0.5 gear. I rather them find new ways to make raids difficult than just needing to stack a resistance. Also SoM raid mechanics are a joke, they were intended to nerf warriors by literally not letting them auto attack. That's the part that I didn't like about MC (I'm a hunter btw).

[@chrisarnone8704]

In my opinion it was a huge mistake giving any bonus for doing something “harder” especially when the gate is more so a gold sink or daily time sink. Classic players do hard things because it’s hard(speed runs) when you tie rewards to it then it becomes necessary and this is goes against the spirit of classic. If players really want a challenge they will find a way to make something a challenge you don’t need extra rewards for it. Nothing in sod is hard but it’s hard enough to make people say fuck that I’m not farming rep for 25 days or I’m not farming 206 FR. It’s obnoxious barrier to entry And a dead game is worse than anything else. I did all the grind myself and have my FR but I would rather have a little less to do so others can partake. If your argument is “I like having a lot to do” you can always play alts. Which in sod should be desired because all the classes are so different now. I don’t even dream of wanting to spend time on an alt currently…

[@Neo3191]

Heat levels are just more proof that blizzard does not want you to play alts. You must just play one character and focus on that if you want to progress through the complicated raid system.

[@zawarrudo3930]

Yo i just wanted to let you know personally that today i got a binding on my dps pally in a random pug.

[@Davidhenry1210]

Everyone will hate the heat levels till you raid with pugs.

[@Adam-082]

Playing a warrior at heat lvl 3 fucking sucks.

[@Opie-bi8re]

Me and 3 others in my guild have had 226 ready to go for heat 3 since the 2nd week MC was out. Still waiting on the guild to get theirs. Literally going to have to pug heat 3 and toss the guild on the back burner.

[@twolgast]

Heat levels is a lot of fun. Only thing thy did wrong was to make really good fire res gear so eazy to get. I dont get it, are ppl grinding for the gear? We just took all the mats from the raid, sold some traded some and crafted gear for everyone. What unfreendly guilds are ppl playing in.

[@22Namera]

Getting gear for heat 3 is increadibly easy. Our gear struggle to find people cus they all think its gonna be so hard, then we give them shit gear so they just dont die with stuff on the ah for a few hundred gold which is nothing for someone who actualy plays this game. Dailies give you 50g, do that on a 2 toons and you can raid heat 3 in less than a week. I see some people complaining about how annoying it is farming fire res gear just to clear the raid, how did you kill Viscidus?

[@105Strike105]

Everyone has to do their share. If you want to do hear 3 and half dont then the half that want to do it join another half that wants to do it elsewhere and the ones dont can play with the ones that dont

[@Winterxfiles]

This why we won’t even do h3.

[@andrew2616]

I support The Heat mechanic. However, I do agree that using the metric of FR to separate the Heat Mechanic was the wrong move. They should have just done the stereotypical easy, normal and hard difficulties. Why? Because players will inherently create challenges if the content is to easy. That’s literally how speed clears came to existence. Those made pugging miserable and created a massive toxic community. Now people can clear heat 1 and 2 and still enjoy the game. As for recruiting (my server is Wildgrowth), the guilds here haven’t had an issue for Heat 1 and Heat 2 (I have not done Heat 3). Same with pugging, most pugs are at Heat 1 with very few at Heat 2. No one pugs for Heat 3. I think your perspective comes from Heat 3 but outside of that the game is super enjoyable. Personally, I cant justify the FR gear farming to acquire cosmetic that will only been seen for 4 weeks before Bwl comes out which is why I dont don’t do heat 3

[@Aznerep]

Really don’t like multiple difficulty levels in classic. Have everyone play the same game.

[@ripcrusader]

Why hating heat system go h1 or h2 if you dont have fr items same loot!! This expand life of phase its not obligation everything drop from h1

[@TheFoolJourney]

U arent force to do heat lvl 2 or 3 the reward is more loot not better is up to all the raid if they want to make it becasue the mecanics dosent change anything

[@fritzschnitzmueller3768]

Yes it was. Especially cause getting 226 FR is kinda ridiculous. If you didnt follow the progression with a guild from H1->H2->H3, then you just need a ton of gold to buy FR gear to join a good guild if you start a bit later (because they all do H3 and you just cant do it). Also dislike that they hid the new chicken nugget boss behind such a huge FR requirement. If they add new content, I dislike seing it hidden behind something like that. Why couldnt they add the new boss in Heat 2 too and make Heat contain 3 purely cosmetical? I just dont see their vision behind all that stuff

[@bigscrap84]

226 fr as a melee dps doesn't take much honestly. For casters it's definitely harder

[@fritzschnitzmueller3768]

@@bigscrap84 Bro I know that you can buy some arse gear on the ah. Obviously Im not talking about that. My guild doesnt allow it. and you also dont get in good random pugs with that kind of gear. Obviously if you have gold and exploited one of the many ways that you could during SoD, all of thats not an issue. If I read that **** one more time Im gonna burst.

[@bigscrap84]

@fritzschnitzmueller3768 what do you mean ass gear? You can craft the devil core set pretty cheaply. The cloak enchant from waterlords, the helm and leg enchant from the Tomes. You get a couple of set pieces and if you have to fill in with the volcano set....... this has nothing to do with exploiting anything. Brother the season has been out for 9 months already surely you have a few hundred gold saved up at this point.

[@RubberSleds]

I mostly get carried in a top end guild (cleared H3 week 1). Even with their high standards, it was completely fine to show up to H3 raids in whatever hodgepodge gearset got you to 226FR. As the weeks go by, the better FR gear has become cheaper and cheaper to where doing your Searing Gorge dailies and a couple of dungeon runs for reals is more than enough to keep you in gold. The heat system isn't perfect, but it's far from ridiculous. I do agree, though, that they shouldn't have locked the new boss behind H3. Allowing him to be killed on H2 would have been better and felt less bad for guilds who just weren't capable/willing to do H3.

[@Sully6615]

Go grind AD rep and get the 15 enchant at exalted it’s 10g if u get the rep. Then get the 3 enchants that’s 75 right there. Plus 60 from totem you are at 135 without gear. Do the quest line for ring that’s 20 more 155. Get heart trinket from LBRS that’s 30 more. 185 can farm fire extinguisher or engineering trinket. 200 ONY neck 15 your at 215 with 0 tier. Oh wait you don’t want to put effort in nvm. P.s your guild gets cores from raid that you can craft fr (all boe) gear with,maybe ask for some instead of ur scum GL selling them. (Or turn reals in for the cores like I did to help the guild out)

[@CatDad09]

It flooded the game with gear lol

[@rz9096]

This was a really insightful analysis, well done 👌

[@Saucetin321]

was it though?

[@carsoncoley1]

They should of made a new raid entirely for phase 4, MC sucks.

[@diogocorreiavideo]

They went through all the trouble of adding the t0.5 sets for every spec not to mention the insane quest chain for it to be completely irrelevant for the harder levels. They should have either added FR to the dungeon set or made some new FR enchants for every slot that you could buy with the useless currency you get in BRE daillies

[@cnh7262]

Yeah good take

[@Kaghoegaming]

its great and gave people things to do, with gear that was pretty much was never used...

[@LilShrewManE]

5:58 😂

[@heine010290]

I think as you mention, the primary issue, is that you have to intentionally go out and specifically farm, craft or buy the expensive gear you need for H3. Its not a case of "You'll eventually get there" with the gear you'll get from H1 & H2. The fact that random shit greens and blues with zero other stats have more FR than Tier1, that has literally been fucking redesigned for the phase, is not BIS, its fucking retarded and a clear sign the classic team did not think it through. I'm fine with it not being quite enough, and you have to invest a little effort into off-pieces, and can't just raid for it. But it NEVER being even remotely near to enough? idiotic. You should NEVER except in niche situations have to unequip BIS gear to enter higher difficulty levels. I DO think the hardcore players should have to invest a lot of time to get into H3 immediately. That's fine. There should always be an incentive and reward to being a sweaty try-hard. But i don't think casuals should have to invest that time just to play the game, and not hold back other people from enjoying the game.

[@janah6473]

Theyre trying to mimick what peolpe did in 2004. I also assume a lot of people actually like this. There is no subjective "this is idiotic" really. Me personally? I despise FR checks, but my entire guild is hella excited for it. So, eh.

[@Behemoth617]

I think that T1 not being enough for H3 was a good idea. It gives you incentive to play the game outside of raiding because you actually have to go out and craft your FR epics. If raid logging passively got you into the higher difficulties it would make logging in pointless.

[@Behemoth617]

Also, I’m wearing 6 set T1 mixed with some crafted epics and I’m easily over 226 FR, so T1 is still very good.

[@heine010290]

@@Behemoth617 But can you fully wear T1? And could you reach that number using non-retarded gear using Full T1?

[@Behemoth617]

@@heine010290 yup, you can look at my character abraxxås if you want

[@kyleshortridge94]

Cursed thumbnail

[@sanmedina]

well it's about a cursed mechanic

[@dwarni5968]

I don't know who convinced Blizzard that farming hard 226 fire res is fun.

[@surrywilliams9115]

I had to quit didn't have time or hold get gear to 225

[@janah6473]

That's cap. You know it is too.

[@Ludydobry]

@@janah6473 315 is cap mate

[@janah6473]

@@Ludydobry Touche.

[@user-tr3wg7qd6h]

I'm glad I quit in p3 so i didn't have to do this fr farm. Hoping Blizzard actually puts new content in p5 so I can return!

[@hornet002]

But then your banking on a catch up gear coming out or be stuck trying to find a pug or guild willing to take sub t1 geared into t2. Wouldn't it be easier to just pug a month of h1 with no fr req and onyixa runs

[@HurensohnGoogle]

no it was not, it was just badly implemented. i like having fr but not for the reason of getting 1 shot

[@tmille777]

Stay on heat level 2. Problem solved

[@HurensohnGoogle]

@@tmille777 this is the most stupid reply ever. if you think i'm complaining about getting the gear you didn't read my reply. i was saying i wish it was more challenging and have some more depth than "heres this permanent aura that one shots you as soon as you take any form of fire damage"

[@whoknows8225]

it does not make any sense that you go for loot in MC that you cannot even use in that same raid because you need to gimp yourself using FR gear.. what a total waste of time

[@Zzarth]

thats just not true?! 80% of most classes bis gear (with FR) is MC gear.. exactly THATS why its so good... getting the MC gear with FR is a real upgrade compared to the stat increase from t0.5 to t1

[@TheLastOG88]

the req's of heat 3 should be skill based not FR based. the raid should be harder but u shouldnt need to replace all ur dps gear for it. my guild cleared h3 last night, it was their first attempt but we are a month in. our raid team 2 is on h2 but most of us arent even thinking about getting 226 FR. i got to 100 unbuffed and gave up because i dont have time to farm gold all day for enchants