WAS THIS SUPPOSED TO BE A DRUNK GIMMICK OR JUST CRAZY? YOU DECIDE!

Here is Chelsea Green on Ring Of The Hawk during the time she went as Laurel Van Ness in TNA. She started out as a rich snobby girl but then the gimmick became very strange.
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[@jamieholmes4751]

I enjoyed the Laurel Van Ness jilted bride gimmick It was quirky and way out there, but she made it work well . Wrestling in a wedding dress can’t be easy , but she really carried it off😃😃😃 After Grado dumped her when he found out she was Canadian and wouldn’t be able to get a visa , Laurel had a similar gimmick that while not as good , it was still entertaining 😃😃

[@michaelsinger4638]

I’ll give Chelsea Green this, she commits to the character 100%. I’ve been enjoying her current run as well. Same with Allie for that matter.

[@vagamer522]

I couldn't get into Allie's TNA appearnce debut until she changed her gimmick and man is it so much more better

[@michaelsinger4638]

Allie can make almost any character work imo. She has a natural charisma. Also her Oreo vlogs are a lot of fun as well.

[@bigdaddyroy5382]

Sadly 6yrs later. 1 is injury prone and they other is eye candy for a jobber tag team. The little bit I've seen of green she seems like she can go when not hurt. She needs to take like 3 years off and heal up. Would also give her a chance to have a kid if she wants any, instead of stopping years later or waiting until she's almost 40 incase she catches on at wwe or aew

[@freebird2882]

@@bigdaddyroy5382 three years? bit of a random number?

[@bigdaddyroy5382]

@@freebird2882 well she's been off 9 months with a injury. And 1 yr with an injury, reinjuring herself both times And I'm guessing her age at like 26-32ish. Anything more then 3 yrs will either put her right at the starting prime age for being really good or the backside of her career before she gets to old if she wants to start a family.

[@CammyTheSportsEntertainer]

Remember this period of TNA/Impact. Ended up becoming a fan of Allie due to this. While it was the end of TNA. I remember that storyline fondly. Allie organically got very over. Sienna, Maria and Chelsea Green played such an integral role. Same time the broken Hardys were killing it. 2016 was a great year for wrestling in my opinion. P.S. It was really sad Grado failed in TNA. The guy is a national treasure but sadly wasn't going to be over because the American audience couldn't understand his gimmick or humour so he was unlikely to have the same success outside of the UK. To me, Grado is the British version of Colt Cabana.

[@mrbludclot..5113]

Good comparison. Both of them are indy darlings and Neither of them are over in the market that really matters

[@CammyTheSportsEntertainer]

@@mrbludclot..5113 it's a shame the UK don't have that big promotion. They had Insane Championship Wrestling but they lost momentum once NXT UK was made and they essentially became a WWE partner to secure their financial future. Shame because ICW was on fire in 2016, even having 6,000 fans at the Hydro. They even got to book Kurt Angle they were so hot. If the UK had that big promotion I think Grado could've thrived in said promotion. NXT UK IMO killed the momentum the British indie scene was building. But at the same time you can't fault the UK talents signing with WWE because it's a stable contract with stable income.

[@mikebottomlesspitdunham2954]

Yeah, that's a huge part of why Grado didn't quite click with the fans, along with the lack of Madonna. If he had been able to use the song he wanted, he'd probably still failed but it would have lessened a good deal.

[@CammyTheSportsEntertainer]

@@mikebottomlesspitdunham2954 yeah, his theme was essentially a generic poorly done instrumental of Like a Prayer as TNA couldn't pay to use the song, where smaller indie companies can get away with it. On the UK tours I think they used it, but on TV it was still the generic instrumental. Shame because I'd have loved to have heard the fans sing their hearts out to Like A Prayer.

[@OdinSmilesRavensLaugh72051]

It's like LVN was allies personal ladder! How many different way same two people have the same fucking match! Jesus

[@Anxomaxo]

The funny thing is that not long after Grado dumps LVN cause she is canadian and needs a USA visa, TNA actually declared themselves a Canadian company.

[@DevilSurvivor69]

Is this after Anthem bought them? Because their a Canadian company and that's the way to be able to fly in my mind.

[@Carlitonsp1]

The way that you refer to Kiera Hogan as just "Hogan" started tripping me up. "She started Hulking Up".

[@cjthehaasman9954]

Ken Shamrock in TNA could be a possible A. He's apparently only had 17 matches despite having 3 runs EDIT: well....I was very very Wrong

[@mariomm9080]

that would be interesting

[@michaelsinger4638]

Good idea.

[@Markyd123]

Due to happen real soon 😜

[@micahjohnsonboxing6409]

I feel like he mostly just saved Tessa on his last run but still crazy he's had so few matches.

[@jamesford871]

Damn dude was running a relay race

[@tylerlittleton6583]

"She looks like she's dumping in her nappie in anger" is the funniest thing I've heard in a while.

[@ChristopherJohn4389]

She did a great job with this gimmick. One of the highlights of that period.

[@Bubba__Sawyer]

Allie was great as well. Her high pitched voice and pouty facial expressions cracked me up!

[@ChristopherJohn4389]

@@Bubba__Sawyer agreed. I like when wrestlers win me over. Cuz at first, I wasn't a fan. But they proved themselves to be good at their job so I was forced to give credit where it was due. They both were very entertaining

[@UndergroundSkat2000]

She has more charisma than most wrestlers these days. I'd watch if she was on TV

[@self-parternerd8661]

- The problem with the characer is that it was presented as "SO SILLY. LOL!" and she was impossible to take her seriously because she was always portrayed as stupid. - She didn't notice the guy who clearly dgaf about her. She was a sidekick (both to Maria and Sienna). She was a drunk. She got dumped at the altar. She became crazy but not that crazy (Rosemay was doing the creepy gimmik). - The booking with Allie was upside down as clearly she lost when Braxon left her. SHE should've stalked Allie, not the other way around. - The only thing that changed in the ring was that she started using the Unprettier finisher (which also doesn't make sense because she was supposed to be the pretty one). - I like her but she isn't a top star, she's a less charismatic version of Tanille Dashwood.

[@ChristopherJohn4389]

That wedding was actually so good IMO.

[@trueSconox]

I saw that thumbnail and instantly wanted a beer. xD

[@jabbarmuhammad8804]

The wedding segment involving Laurel van ness and Braxton Sutter was pretty good she played her character quite well

[@psicofreak667]

Something I'm surprised you didn't mention is that Chelsea Green had an acclaimed match in Lucha Underground against Pentagon Black (or whatever he was going by at that time), as Reklusa. In fact, WWE so quickly came knocking after that match that Lucha Underground had to drop the Reklusa character when they clearly had big plans for her. As for LVN herself, her movement was surprisingly fluid, and I think she might've done better as a more technical wrestler than as a diva-esque brawler. Not sure what to do about the fact that she couldn't seem to get the crowd interested in her though.

[@suneater98]

Markyd123 really hate Eddie Edward's and Madison Rayne 😂😂

[@samuelwoods164]

Ha great timing, had headphones in watching this and woman I haven't known too long just looked over my shoulder and gave me one of the most confused looks I've ever seen then told me she went to a British TNA arena show with her brother years ago and it was one of the best live events she ever saw.... might invite her back.

[@TheMovieBuff96]

I thought the gimmick was that she went crazy from heartbreak after being rejected at the wedding. That's why she was "better" when Grado liked her. I never even realized there was supposed ro be an alcoholic element to it.

[@Markyd123]

Yea she was drinking a lot and stumbling around the ring. But only in the early days of the gimmick.

[@Bubba__Sawyer]

Allie has the best pouty face 😂

[@buhbuhjaychampagne1706]

Hot Mess Van Ness had become an alcoholic b/c Braxton Sutton left her (for Allie) at their wedding, which he didn’t want any part of to begin with. She would carry a bottle of champagne to the ring, sipping on it before matches. Great character work. And wrestling in the wedding gown was hilarious!!!!!

[@slashandbones13]

Karrion Kross's main roster run would be good. I think Keith Lee had a few too many matches for ROH.

[@JamalService2000]

I wonder if his Impact run would qualify for Ring of the Hawk, or if not his wife Scarlett Bordeaux.

[@Marcey_omNovell]

Whenever I see an awful TNA / Impact match I counter it by watching the 6 sides of steel match between AMW and Triple X at TNA -Turning Point Point 2004. Thank you for an absolute brick of a video. Xoxo

[@johnnysizemore5797]

That's actually one of my favorite TNA Tag matches of all time. The chemistry of both teams and their sheer commitment to winning was amazing to watch...

[@Marcey_omNovell]

@@johnnysizemore5797 Absolutely and that hurricanrana spot, from the top of the cage, is one of the best spots ever 👍 xoxo

[@brunodiaz4726]

I just rewatch perc angle feuds in tna

[@lamarcushiggs6151]

Holy shit skipper tight roping the cage for a hurricanrana that was magic

[@starrcade6709]

I want to see Blitzkrieg in WCW, a wrestler who suddenly appears then suddenly disappears. His biggest success in wrestling is probably inspiring Jack Evans.

[@guslima1130]

Yeah! I would like to see him in the Ring of the Hawk too

[@JamalService2000]

That and Jack Evans himself since he had 2 very short runs.

[@Machete87]

Blitzkreig was actually pretty decent cruiserweight. whatever happened 2 that guy?

[@JamalService2000]

@@Machete87 something about being a computer programmer.

[@KanishQQuotes]

I actually love the growth of Ally... The character was excellent The story with evil maria is very cool

[@DavidVenters]

what was funny is that allie aka cherry bomb before tna was actually a good wrestler she had a great rivalry with the demon assassin good video keep it up maybe do one on cat weasle remember him

[@TihetrisWeathersby]

I'm going to be honest that gimmick was better that her NXT and Lucha Underground run put together

[@williammoore6128]

I mean she only had one match in Lucha Underground and she was injury prone in WWE

[@kidwaryodproduction]

0:57 Wild Broski appears. (Or Wild Mid Cardona) Wild List - Wild Slapnuts - Wild Tiny Turnip - Wild Bodybuilder - Wild Fall Away Slam - Wild Samoan Drop - Wild Control Your Narrative

[@freddiejohnson6137]

Didn't realise she was in Impact so long. I was watching this while it was still on TV here in the UK just as some background noise but I think by this point everyone had given up on watching it anyway since as far as I am aware it is no longer on TV here.

[@Dbanks700]

Been waiting on a hawk video I got my popcorn 🍿 😂 love the videos hawk

[@DavidRagan3134]

I'm not sure what to make of her. At times, her work looks terrible, but other times, she has good matches. Maybe it was all about her opponents.

[@wweminehead5458]

Also can we have Chelsea greens 11 matches in the wwe

[@fanciestofcats7111]

Hot Mess was amazing and entertained me every time

[@16rumpole]

this whole storyline was well played. It was really entertaining.

[@bigdaddyroy5382]

Lol "she hits a diving running something"

[@xanadurv]

can never get over the bunny's first form, lol.

[@thomasgarcia2991]

NGL I couldn't tell the difference between Allie and LVN until the smeared lipstick gimmick started.

[@kidz4p509]

IMO, I pick the latter. She was practically acting like (a cannibalistic) Harley Quinn.

[@RAFlamingo3]

This one has some of your finest moments, Marky. Gread vid.

[@Stiggs-bu2fz]

David Flair WcW run I need to see that video

[@arostwocents]

Hot Mess Van Ness was awesome, she had an actual gimmick ❤ I don't remember her going 7 months without a match, that makes no sense 😂

[@petebagwell6666]

Walter/gunther should do that run off the ropes chop to a sitting oponent, he'd fucking kill people with it

[@shadic1988]

She was committed to her character. I'll give her credit.

[@chrisg3193]

I'm glad this video is here, cause i remember her being drunk and on a bender, but i never knew what caused it, TNA tried a character arc lool

[@DavidVenters]

she may have been drunk but as i remember she was in love with braxton sutter who is real life is mr bunnie and plays blade in aew , who turned her down at th alatar so she went crazy , really enjoyed chelsea green ( mrs long island matt cardona)

[@TheOnlyCentaurus]

Kiera Hogan got that wagon

[@prezjack8653]

the bachelor party with braxton and mike bennett was a hillarious segment. Gotta review that sometime

[@Markyd123]

Yes it was but I wish they had gone further with it

[@suneater98]

Mid Cardona😂😂😂😂😂

[@JarJarBinks4ever]

Do Ludvig Borga WWF run

[@gonzalogca4907]

Chelsea Green's failed WWE career feels like karma for literally asking for her release hours after winning the Impact KO's title.

[@Markyd123]

Yea I know what you mean but you gotta remember impact in 2018 was seen as a joke that was about to go bust. Everybody was leaving. You have to do what’s right for your career. They seem a more steady company nowadays.

[@karlrudd8914]

That's just biting the hand that feeds you. As a new employer I would take that as a massive red flag that this person is unreliable.

[@Stumpers24]

Mid Cardona? Hahaha That’s hilarious

[@cutethings7232]

What

[@EddieLowenheim]

IMPACT love bringing in Canadian wrestlers and making it look like they can't wrestle... Did it with both Ethan Page (during his first run with Joseph Park) and Allie... They called Chelsea "Laurel Van Ness" as an inside joke because Allie's real name is Laura Dennis. And Braxton Sutter is her real husband.

[@SteeleZack]

Its not a Hogan match without a "hulkin' up" spot , lol .

[@coltonmajors5674]

why does her wedding gimmick remind me of Courtney love

[@mariomm9080]

i prefer Marty Jannetty kind of stuff but i will check this out later

[@elephantman6117]

Big Ryck From Lucha Underground? Please?

[@o.g.francis9361]

While this particular man doesn't qualify for Ring of the Hawk, you should do a video about Tank Abbott's time in WCW

[@chrismlastname]

really enjoyed this one

[@deathsnitemaresinfullust2269]

Haa! Wasn't really a huge "The Bunny" fan but after seeing what she did as Allie in Impact i am inclined to feel happy for her being taken a bit more seriously, that Street Fight she had in AEW with Penelope Ford against Tey Conti and Anna Jay back on New Years was Awesome. Much respect for anyone willing to fight with thumbtacks and barbed wire. 😄👍

[@petesmart1983]

I prefer her as Allie as she had alot of story's and was wrestling every week now shes just glorified valet

[@nathanwagner9895]

HAHAHAHAHAHAAHAH THAT RUNNING CHOP IN THE SECOND MATCH! i pissed myself

[@codyman5540]

You know what would be a great ROH Episode? Mortis.

[@NickC_479]

Bring back the Hawk Hogan show.

[@pwlpc]

From what I've seen of Allie in Impact (mostly stuff with Rosemary), she seems very likable and committed to her character. I haven't seen any of her AEW work except for that match with Tay and Anna Jay, which was good. It's good that we are getting wrestlers again who are very dedicated to their character like Rosemary, MJF, Bray Wyatt, Malakai Black, Allie and Chelsea Green. Even if it doesn't work out. The flip side is that some (Chelsea Green) have to wrestle good or better too. Cause at the end of the day, these are wrestlers and paid to wrestle

[@jagenigma]

The 12 year old ref is Baby Ref!!!

[@JustJulyo]

Just realized that Impact really was great at consistent storytelling when it revolved with things far removed from wrestling. It was hardly ever good but my God they were committed

[@arthurwulfrun]

Chelsea Green is in wwe currently 2k24 so not too bad. Should bring her drunk bride gimmick there

[@guslima1130]

Hawk, what about doing Joey Janela at AEW since they are finally done with him? I don't know if it would be worth because they are a pain in the ass with copyright, but it would be nice seeing such a polarizing figure being evaluated.

[@xymoriintus]

That "12 year old referee" was fucking god awful! As bad as the "corpse referee" in AEW

[@Zeitgeist997]

I would never know anything about TNA if these videos didn't exist. I just knew a little based in hacking directv and watching their ppv specials in the early 2000's.

[@Operations1000]

I have no idea why I was watching TNA during this Era but The Hot Mess was the epitome of TNA during this time so her character just fit so brilliantly and she did give it her all!

[@eastside2473]

The storyline with Allie was good watching I should have enjoyed it more back than…

[@terryeubanks8797]

Having not watched Impact around this time, imagine how confused I was when Maria blackmailed Braxton with murder and everything looked like a CW drama.

[@josephbrechin906]

I would really want to see a ring of the hawk on swoggle in tna 2017

[@EmoEmu]

Watching this is pretty cool. She seems pretty green here, but by the time she got on NXT tv she was really good. Underrated and a perfect partner for her husbond Matt Cardona.

[@EmoEmu]

Oh and Braxton is Allie's husbond.

[@ismaelanzaldua7959]

Hands down worst unprettier out there

[@stharre80]

"...Like a Fryday night in the Hawkzone"...lol

[@homedeezyfasheezy5662]

Seen this gimmick for the first time at a indy show here in Austin. She wrestled everyone’s favorite perv Joey Ryan. I didn’t follow impact so I had no clue what was going on. She came out as her normal self. Midway through the match she went back to the locker room and came out a few moments later in this goofy gimmick freaking out. It’s hard for me to describe after that other than to say it was one of the dumbest things I’ve ever seen in a wrestling ring and that’s saying a lot.

[@ryanchambers8366]

Really gross moment was after she had been hit Joey Ryan's move involving his unit she licked the same hand she grabbed it with in front of the crowd. The character could be a little too much in my opinion.

[@homedeezyfasheezy5662]

@@ryanchambers8366 so I take it you were there as well. Mentally I don’t remember much after she came out in the “hot mess gimmick” (yeah I know I said I did keep up with impact but through the years since I’ve come to find out what the gimmick was about, to some degree) my mind kinda just went blank. Maybe it was the $9 coors lights, maybe it was the fact I bought a general admission ticket and was sitting in the second row and was paranoid about getting caught or W/E but when she came out mere minutes after going to the back with smeared lipstick, torn attire and shreaking like I’ve never heard my mind didn’t know how to process what was going on. All I really remember from that show was jack evans vs Keith lee where the highlight of that match was the fact evans managed to smoke a cigarette the whole time while getting man handled by lee, Aaron solo getting jealous that Ricky Starks was super over in Austin the city where he made his name, and an absolute banger of a match between Jay White vs Sammy Guevara in the main event about a week before White returned to Japan and debuted his switchblade gimmick that he uses till this day. Yeah I know that’s a mouthful but that essentially was Wrestle Circus for you. It’s a damn shame they didn’t have some sort of direction for their shows. They hotshotted Austin and there hasn’t been much wrestling since they quit running shows.

[@ryanchambers8366]

@@homedeezyfasheezy5662 I caught a clip of her match against Joey Ryan that was being shared but I wasn't there. I do remember Wrestle Circus as they did have Matt Hardy using the Broken Matt character as well from Impact Wrestling at one of their shows. Wrestle Circus's own promoter and owner had admitted why the promotion went under as he went simply went against the good and well intended advice of his close friends and colleagues to not continue running his own promotion. I think the promoter's wife's name was Lexi and one of the friends named Kevin Condron was one of the guys who saw that the promotion was too much work to handle for the promoter especially since they brought in talent from other promotions too often and not focus on their own people who were more closely associated. I could go on more about that topic but to get back to Chelsea Green she did a lot of raunchy stuff in Wrestle Circus with this gimmick like making out with Leva Bates and even wrestling Tessa Blanchard there and both women yelling at each other "Fuck you bitch!" during a match between the two. Even more crazy is that those two women apparently do hate each other in real life.

[@awww2491]

19:45 there were like 5 or 6 knockouts in the whole impact division plus Rosemary got injured at this time so i don't think there were many options other than Allie lol

[@trueSconox]

lvn is Chelsea Green? holy fuck, I guess others also didn't realise that, and so must have mistaken her, as a good in ring worker.

[@carloselizondo7907]

James ellsworth His run maybe get a b,c or a d

[@lucafalsetto]

Hulk hogans WWE run from 2002-03. You could also include his 2 runs after but it would be past 30 matches.

[@rickyhurtt5568]

I love that 1. Mid Cardona

[@heckles5866]

While I do respect Laurel’s commitment to the character, this gimmick just… its not for me. I’m aware wrestling is a wasteland of unbelievable gimmicks and such, but this just didn’t work. On a side note, i didn’t know that was Chelsea Green! She’s definitely come a long way.

[@suedenim]

Yeah, I started watching Impact around this time, and this gimmick didn't work for me. Especially when Grado was involved - never could figure out why they gave that guy so much air time.

[@WauwautosaTufGuy]

I thought the wedding was great, Chelsea Green is pretty good with her character work imo wherever she goes. Not sure if she can wrestle because she’s usually a comedy character but she’s entertaining

[@Karzeon]

She's not like a high-impact wrestler, but she can bump crazy good. She proved that with Money in the Bank. She's like the perfect diva-style wrestler if she gets a real match.

[@ZeroSystem100]

4:35 my brotha! 😂

[@arrownoir]

She was really dedicated to carry on that garbage gimmick for so long.

[@theguy1233]

Can you do Chris Masters in tna on Roh?

[@petesmart1983]

Did he actually wrestle in TNA I only remember him being Eli drakes muscle who just stood around flexing in promos

[@NephilimHunter1959]

Impact wrestlings biggest problem is the fans, TNA used to have some amazing crowds but everytime i watch Impact the crowds feel lifeless and dead maybe they need more beer.

[@staticcharm3808]

Cause there is like 20 people there and they didn't even pay. So of course they are asleep

[@robw5741]

Allie was terrible, and just as bad if not worse in aew as the bunny

[@Bebe-hl1zx]

The main thing I took away from this video is that I remember Allie being a lot better in the ring. Maybe it was just these matches but 😬

[@badassuchiha4875]

dude you're the best Commentary KZbinr ever I like all your Reviews

[@Markyd123]

Thanks mate

[@badassuchiha4875]

@@Markyd123 the Laughter is endless cause you really Capture those bad moments in Wrestling especially the one about Chris Harris having Diherhea you should also do a review on the Japanese Buzzsaw Tajiri he was the best of all Wrestlers but you probably Hightlight different moments

[@kingtchala6832]

I can't believe WWE didn't see anything in Chelsea Green. The woman is hot as fuck, has an appetite for the business and can actually wrestle. I know she had a couple of injuries in her last run but damn. Compared to some of the ladies WWE have kept employed for years on years, I'm truly gobsmacked the didn't do anything with Chelsea.

[@staticcharm3808]

Because she sucked?

[@CornBreadtm1]

Counting a pin with every limb touching the ropes is so: IMPACT!

[@VektorEpsilon]

Mid-Cardona. I'm gonna start using that.

[@egpmh2891]

I always thought it was more supposed to be like a spoiled rich girl that is getting caught off by her daddy and is pissed

[@jacobo3111]

When you’re bald your head loses a lot heat. Your head is freezing

[@arostwocents]

Allie was so awesome. Her sell of the running stomp was Rock selling a stunner level 😮❤ Maria was sexy as hell too ❤❤

[@P3P1SHP3P1]

I hate the flatliner so much

[@anonluxor470]

I think her gimmick was that she went insane after she got dumped at a wedding by Braxton Sutter

[@larrytod9790]

Probably the only gimmick she had in TNA

[@gerrymcwilliam]

How about a rundown of Bully Ray's and Devon's feud?

[@DudeMcGuybro]

This is what happens when a wrestler watches one too many "In This Moment" music videos. Seriously, the gimmick is just the song "Whore" played out in a wrestling storyline, down to the makeup being a copy of the makeup Maria Brink wore in the music video.

[@singerdude1992]

LVN can be really solid as a wrestler when she isn't letting her character work get in the way of her actual wrestling. I loved how she leaned far into her character, but sometimes she really pushed that too far and it made a bunch of matches cringey