was varna a just system ?

[@Science_with_adira]

Points we both agree on • The Varna system is not created by God or any kind of ultimate being. • The Varna system is not flawless; there could be better systems than what is described in the Dharmasutras. • The Dharmasutras promoted the discriminatory imposition of Varna, leading to exploitation. • Some Hindu texts, like the Bhagavad Gita, attempted to bring reforms and eradicate this unjust system, but it is still misused. (According to the Bhagavad Gita, one cannot be a Brahmin based on occupation alone; one must attain Brahmavidya, which is non-computational. Therefore, you cannot categorize people based on something non-computational.) • A classless society is a utopian dream, but classes are a practical reality. The Varna system is not the solution; we have better societal structures today. • There is no evidence of 25 k further subdivisions (i.e jatis ) which are in existence today in modern society in texts ( as stated by bhargav ) • Varna is also a type of caste system, and there is a correlation between Varna and Jati. (Bhargav might argue that there is no correlation, but he agrees that imposed divisions create caste systems. My stance is that Varna is that imposed division and varna was not needed.) ~Some might argue that hierarchies based on psychological conditioning result in the caste system. No, that results in classes, while the caste system is a completely different demon.

[@HimamshuG]

I disagree on almost all the points, but I don't wanna comment on that, only thing I will say is - Geeta doesn't try to reform the Varna system, it just elaborate what there in purush sukta accordingly.

[@Science_with_adira]

​@@HimamshuGi found a contradiction in geeta against varna system..so there could be a possibility that geeta is not talking of pre established norms.there could be other interpretations thats a debatable topic.

[@New1BGMI]

​@@Science_with_adira If one reads the oldest Shankar Bhashya of Geeta he can clearly see that this book indeed tried to impose caste system in the society. Krishna has clearly said there that those who are born in papyoni i.e. Stree, Vaishya and Shudra can attain punyayoni if they start worshipping him.

[@New1BGMI]

I don't know why are people trying to prove Buddha as a Brahmin or a Kshatriya... This whole problem arises when we assume some Vedic period before the Buddha which in itself can't be proved

[@xomiyoko8003]

​@@New1BGMIbuddha: the way of life channel already exposed it in hyperquest exposed video

[@Prachhan11]

Inke pitaaji Shankaracharya din raat gaana gaate hai varn , jaati sab janam se hai

[@mr.perfect1067]

Shankracharya congressi hai babasaheb bhi congressi dono jaati janamse hai ka gaana gate hai....jabki wo jhut bolte hai...bhagwat geeta mai spast likha hai varn karm se hai janm se nahi .

[@Prachhan11]

@@mr.perfect1067to kisi chaturvedi k ghar koyi vaalmiki ,yadav , kushwaha paida hua kya 😄😁😄😁😁😄 sabhi bachho ne chaaro ved to nhi padhe honge kuch shudar bhi rah gye honge😄jawab de niyogi

[@mr.perfect1067]

@@Prachhan11 tu pahle jawab de baba saheb ne bhi jhut bola ya nahi....kya baba saheb ne caste ko janm se nahi manna bol...jawab de...tu jawab bhi nahi de payega😄😄😄

[@SrinuKumar-cu2cl]

Matlab baba sahab ko mante ho?​@@mr.perfect1067

[@balnac]

​@@mr.perfect1067abe lingya baba saheb k phle se tha hindu dharm. Ling ghisne wale se kya hi debate kru ab. Shankarachaarya hi chutad ho gye ab. Thode din ruko 33 koti me muh pr hag waenge Tu lingo se.

[@aloneboy_0696]

Adira ye tumko ghuma rha hai isko science joureny pe bhejo 😂 VEDO KA VIGYAN AUR VARNA SYSTEM BAHUT MAHAN CHIZE THI puri duniya iske bina chl nhi skti😂

[@UshaUsha-re3gu]

Vo sahi treatment karta hai inka😂 Adora thoda soft spoken hai.

[@scoobyaura-fr6dm]

varna system is a grouping of various castes and casteism is done in both

[@utkarshninawe97]

Wrong

[@scoobyaura-fr6dm]

@LazyDesigner666 you are not the authority that whatever you say would be considered correct, you blame bramhins just for casteism? There is much more bigger behind casteism you're avoiding, take a look at the history, the thing you're calling sanatan isn't actually sanatan , it's stolen , the true culture of India remains unrecognised and altered

[@utkarshninawe97]

@@scoobyaura-fr6dm mootnivasi jindabad 😂

[@scoobyaura-fr6dm]

wait why'd he bring up buddhism in here?? aagaye babuji yaad just as soon as he knew he was gonna be stuck?

[@diptyprakashswain1121]

Because 🎉.. Buddhism is ..son of 🎉🎉..🎉..🎉 Sanatan 🎉

[@xomiyoko8003]

​@@diptyprakashswain1121and who is the father Islam i guess

[@Prachhan11]

Sahi kaha jab jaati ki baat baat krenge to budhisam ko le aayenge ..fir bhi chilla k bolenge Sanatan pahle tha 😂😂😂

[@developer-bd9my]

buddha himself said women and shudras can't be bodhisatvas 😂😂

[@Prachhan11]

@@developer-bd9mytumhara baap Shankaracharya to shudaro k baare me kya bolta hai aaj bhi jara sun Lena 😀😀😁 .Budha ne agar itni galat baat mahilao k baare me boli hai to Vishnu ka avtaar bna k kyo ghuma rhe ho.tum saalo ko problem budhisam se isiliye hai k wo tum jaise jaativaadi nhi hai isiliye koyi bhi baat budha k naam pe bol doge😡

[@criticalpsyche]

The flaw in whole things is we arguing over books which are ideologically and psychologically loaded which we don't know whose idea it is which in term slips back to reliability and validity debate.

[@deepkumar2856]

Adira Ji, in this discussion historical, archeological & travelogue data are missing. You can get more reference on sanatan samiksha's youtube video on cast system. You can refer IBN Battuta & AlBaruni's travelogue on medieval India and Dr. Ambedkar's book - who where Shudras.

[@Leonskennedy675]

Sanaatan samiksha 😂 illogical being on earth believing in conspiracy theories Dinosaur hi sanaatan he baki sb bakwaas

[@Jaswin_Damor563]

😂

[@Prachhan11]

In bachho ko science journey k paas jaana chaiye ek baar 😂

[@situationxd8650]

Already defeated by many 🤣🤣🤣saale ke paas koi proof nhi hai

[@situationxd8650]

Wo bakchod jo Batman ko buddhist bata raha tha🤣🤣🤣

[@itzvaibhav9366]

​@@situationxd8650Bhai science journey chu**ya hai bhai usko bol sanatan samiksha se debate karne ko fat ke haat mein aajaiaga

[@utkarshninawe97]

Aur uss bachche ko sanatan samiksha ke paas 😂

[@Prachhan11]

@@utkarshninawe97sanatan samiksha wo hi jo stream delete kr deta hai jab uski pelaaayi ho jaati hai😝😝😝 daily shudar sun k bhi bechaara brahmnvaad bachaata rahta hai or daily gaaali khaata hai brahmno se fir stream delete krta hai🤧🤧🤧

[@Mayank-Pawar]

I Think it was a Good healthy conversation. Thanks for having open civilised debates like this one! We need more and more of these conversations! Please do more of these and churn out more ideas.

[@Swastika_Aryan_114]

Arpit Explains ko dekhe

[@mr.perfect1067]

Jhuta hai wo

[@jeetardth]

@@mr.perfect1067 sachhai pachti nahi bhai shyd

[@mr.perfect1067]

@@jeetardth sacchi ki samajh nahi hai aapko pahle jaano fir criticized karo na ki kisi arpit varsity ki baato mai aakar

[@Jaswin_Damor563]

Bhargav kbhi aao haveli pe 😂😂 Haveli (science journey)❤

[@anuragbohara9314]

Adira ji please make a video on why and how decided to start this YT channel

[@lokeshparihar7672]

Yesss...

[@curiash]

Varna system is the rationalization of the caste system.

[@scoobyaura-fr6dm]

exactly!! , and the discrimination is continued in both

[@devyanshujadon]

No matter how many academic definitions he throws, it won't change that the varna system is caste system in practice and common knowledge.

[@situationxd8650]

​@@devyanshujadonpeople like you with small brain following science journey instead of cross verifying yourself would never understand or see the thin line between vedic varna system and britisher's caste system

[@humanitylover2156]

I think you need to read bhagwat Geeta chapter no 1 shloka no 40 it used the word 'Varnashankar' This shlokas clearly discouraged intervarna marriages coz it will create Varnasankar: unwanted childern. And This man was saying discrimination within the surdas has nothing to do with bhramins.. bullshit All four varnas were under the system of Bhraminism. The ideology of the ruling class was the ruling ideology. Discrimination within the communities became the common sense. Now look at the communities who were not under these 4 varnas, tribals people. They never practiced untouchability against different tribe. Reason: they were outside the umbrella of varna system. It is like - A criminal is saying to a Judge that look others are also doing crime, why my crime is special 😂😂. 😂😂😂 Discrimination within Shudras was the product of bharaminical system.

[@mr.perfect1067]

​​@@scoobyaura-fr6dmproove discrimination in varn system babasaheb lied...he never tell diffrance between varn system and CASTE system...even he lied about meaning of shudra...I can proove 1000 percent

[@NaveenSingh-vf2ju]

Casteism ko defend krne aaya tha 😂😂😂😂

[@situationxd8650]

@@NaveenSingh-vf2ju kar v dia

[@balnac]

​@@situationxd8650dharm hi vo hai. Dhoban dhoban hi rahegi. Telan telan hi rahegi. 😅😅

[@Science_with_adira]

@@situationxd8650 kaise kr dia btana jra

[@situationxd8650]

@@balnac cry sike😜☝of course rahegi Constitutional jo hai

[@situationxd8650]

@@Science_with_adira aap pehele unjustice band karo fir baat karo

[@vanshsharma2520]

What about women I never heard that a woman has to shave her head before cooking?

[@RainBow-ox1lm]

🤔 yeah man u you raised a good question ❓

[@dhimankalita1690]

Man this girl is unbearable everytime her argument is defeated she starts mumbling. Atleast let him talk my god.

[@Science_with_adira]

@@dhimankalita1690 would love to hear one argument which got defeated.

[@situationxd8650]

@@dhimankalita1690 naam main science hai thik hi bol rahi hogi😛😛😛

[@Hacktivist12]

As per puri Shankaracharya, there is no distinction between caste and varna, and one it's all gets fixed at birth. He further added that Brahmins can opt for any profession outside their varna and still remain superior; others, however, will remain inferior to Brahmins no matter what qualities they attain, and they are restricted to opting for a profession within their caste.

[@kumarakantirava429]

@Adira Ji, Please post link to the Guest's channel/Bio in the description. It helps.

[@Manas-manthan-v3f]

Their is an entire book on justifying and resolving doubts about caste system written by a brahmin known as Jati bhaskar जाति भास्कर I think you should prefer to go through that because neo Hindus are trying to hide the discriminatory brahminical scriptures and creating new friendly interpretations. This book presents the real interpretations and exposes all lies of neo hindus regarding varna system. I am doing an stream on this book जाति भास्कर

[@rakeshkumar854]

Thanks Adira for making such nice content.

[@Playerone1287]

Itne sundar log jo bolunga main maan lunga

[@loveyourself-n6y]

Ma'am is looking like every strict teacher in our school 😭😭😭

[@sujeetsaravade2892]

Duniya ki koi kitab kisi baghwan ne nahi likhi aur dunay ki koi murti bhagwan ne nahi banayi na hi bamno ne 😂😂

[@humanitylover2156]

I think you need to read bhagwat Geeta chapter no 1 shloka no 40 it used the word 'Varnashankar' This shlokas clearly discouraged intervarna marriages coz it will create Varnasankar: unwanted childern. And This man was saying discrimination within the surdas has nothing to do with bhramins.. bullshit All four varnas were under the system of Bhraminism. The ideology of the ruling class was the ruling ideology. Discrimination within the communities became the common sense. Now look at the communities who were not under these 4 varnas, tribals people. They never practiced untouchability against different tribe. Reason: they were outside the umbrella of varna system. It is like - A criminal is saying to a Judge that look others are also doing crime, why my crime is special 😂😂. 😂😂😂 Discrimination within Shudras was the product of bharaminical system.

[@developer-bd9my]

bhargav expalined very well but she was being ignorant and interrupting again and again

[@Science_with_adira]

@@developer-bd9my i was interrupting when he was going off topic and when i already know what he would say coz we already discussed that in DM before.

[@situationxd8650]

@@Science_with_adira unjustice 🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣

[@ArjunSujata-j6w]

Dude called himself academic and contradicted his life living a couple of millennia in the past. Religious scriptures and beliefs can never make you progressive; this gentleman is a perfect example of it.

[@adiraj6730]

Aise logo se jayda acha tum in channel par jkr acche se pata kar skte ho. 1. Hamara ateet 2. Rational world. 3. Realist azad ( amit tiwari ). Kuch log aise jinke purvaj jaati ke naam par shoshan kiya abh unke bete usse shi krne lage hain.

[@suryashukla4036]

ladki ke hisab se guys criminal aur normal insaan me bhi discrinmination hota h hum log criminals ke sath boht bura bartav krte h kya unhe jeene ka haq nhi h , unhone bs murder hi to kiya h ,

[@Science_with_adira]

@@suryashukla4036 ni ye apke hisab se hoga mere hisab se ni.apke thoughts mere upar project krne ki kosis na mt krie.maine kha do log ne murder kia hai toh dono ko same sza honi chahie chahe vo rich ho ya poor.

[@suryashukla4036]

@@Science_with_adira waise aap varn system ke khilaaf h ya saath and aap ki education qualifications kya h

[@AbhijitZimare]

@@suryashukla4036 Varna vyastha ke khilaf jane ke liye educational qualification ki avashyakta nahi hai kyuki ye vishay pathshalao me chupaya jata hai. Uske liye keval vivek buddhi ki avashakta hai jo kisi bhi aam admi me ho toh wo swayam sochkar iska conclusion nikal sakta hai.

[@suryashukla4036]

@@AbhijitZimare to mere khyal se varn vyavstha ek bahut hi achi cheez h

[@dars430]

Baman buddhi ko samjh nahi ayega shukle 😂😂😂 gobar baman

[@rahulvickeyshrivas1636]

projectsatyaloka should have understood with whom he was arguing. Who does not know even a single word of Sanskrit, who does not know the difference between varna and caste, who does not know about Vedas, Upanishads, philosophy, Mimamsa etc. There is no benefit in discussing religion with him.

[@Science_with_adira]

@@rahulvickeyshrivas1636 he also accepted that varna is a type of caste sytem.i have already cleared that i would use the word varna and caste system interchangebly coz i have a reasoning for that.if u guys are not ready to accept the bare fact then thats ur problem.just trying to confuse people that varna caste to show the superioroty of varna.no its not varna is also a type of caste system its just that the number of divisions are less.

[@rahulvickeyshrivas1636]

@@Science_with_adira He has accepted that varna is a type of caste. What does that prove?? Accepting it does not make it real. Caste and varna have always been different. Today's system has corrupted them. And what reasoning are you talking about?? What will happen with reasoning?? No Reasoning/argument proves the authenticity of anything. I have many arguments for you reasoning to argue like this. Let's debate. In such cases, it is a matter of facts and arguments are only helpful and not decisive.

[@Science_with_adira]

@@rahulvickeyshrivas1636 Varna fits into the established definition of the caste system, so it is justifiable to call it a caste system. No confusion or further explanation is required

[@rahulvickeyshrivas1636]

@@Science_with_adira You have made it fit as per your convenience. This means caste and Varna started becoming the same!!! Are you crazy?? There is not even that much information that a character is something that can be selected. Have you not read 4/13 of Bhagwat Geeta?? Or did you not read 10/90/12 of Rigveda?? To know What is Varna? You should have read 1/10 of Niravalambopanishad to know what is Caste. Stop tricking these children. They don't have any thoughts of their own. They form their thoughts after listening to you. These people don't know how to read or write anything on their own. Go to an Acharya. Don't create your own colorful world by interpreting the scriptures yourself.

[@Science_with_adira]

@@rahulvickeyshrivas1636 u can join live if u can really justify that varna is not a caste system.

[@Ridofit0]

Your face looks like my history teacher in class 12th. Whenever u stare at camera for long i get scared😂😂

[@aman_ganvir]

ma'am who is he?

[@cosmicwarriorx1]

I guess you need to structure the conversation more systematically and ask pin pointed questions. Ask guests to provide reasons with back up/ logic. Pls do not digress too much & speak one after other. All this may require more homework. But clarity of thought and clear presentation of ideas would have been easy for me to follow.

[@sujeetsaravade2892]

Dharm jivan jine ka marg tha pahle ab gulam bana ne ka marg hai agar bhagwan hota to ye dharm banate nahi 😂😂sab log milkr bhagwan ko use kar rahe hai phir bhi bhagwan ko kisine nahi dekha 😂 yahi saty hai

[@Bheeva_Studio]

Bhargav bro cast already exist but when varn system came into picture problems start becouse ye vali casts es varn me jayegi or ye vali casts dusre varn me jaise dhobi hai ya barber hai to vo sudhra varn me jayege ye jo chij brahamins ne society ko sikhayi ki ye kam nicha hai or ye kam ऊँचा है ये जो ऊँचा वर्ण और नीचे वाला वर्ण है ये प्रॉब्लम है इसकी वज़ह से sudr varn me bhi ye jati uchi ye nichi karne lage log

[@fitclub4745]

mam its my kind suggestion that must debate with Science Journey sir on caste or varna system. ye jinse aapne debate kiya hai, ye lig bss baat ko ghoomate hai aur kuch nhi. Science Journey sir aise logo ko kaccha chaba jaate hai. ye jinse aapne debate kiya hai inko bolna ki ek baap ki aulad hai Science Journey sir se debate krr ke dikhaye

[@itzvaibhav9366]

Tere science journey ko bol sanatan samiksha se baat kare fat ke haath mein aajaiaga

[@NishantKumar-ry9rp]

Anpadh journey toh aur bhi jyada fattu hai . Usse debate karne Gaye the kuch log varna vyavastha par jisme uss anpadh journey ne inaam rakha tha aur jab varna vyavastha ko karma aadharit reference Dene Lage tab wah fattu Anpadh journey unko mute aur backstage karne laga tha aur phir topic se bhaagne laga tha aur logical fallacy karna Start kar diya aur antim me stream se nikal diya tha unn logo ko . Kartavya debates par abhi bhi uss anpadh journey ke saath debate wali video padi hui hai . Wah anpadh journey itna darta hai ki jab uski dhulai wali video upload kiya apne channel par Ajay arya aur kartavya debates ne toh sidha strike maar diya uss fattu ne . 😂

[@NishantKumar-ry9rp]

​@@itzvaibhav9366wah anpadh journey nahi karega. Usne sanatan samiksha ko har jagah se block karke bhaga hai . Uss Anpadh journey ko debate bhi nahi karna aata . Apne bil se kabhi wah bahar aata hi nahi hai aur jab uske stream me koi debate ke liye jata hai toh fanste hi mute aur backstage karne lagta hai aur topic divert kar deta hai .

[@utkarshninawe97]

@@NishantKumar-ry9rp Ye bhimte apne eco chamber me khush hai bhai 😂 Inse debate karoge to sari doglapanti aur victim card dikh jaega. Science aur sanvidhan to inke baap ki jaydad hai 😂

[@harshitawasthi3572]

Science Journey ko bhej kisi neutral platform pe sanatan samiksha se debate karme ke liye....

[@vikasreddy7647]

Even if you accept his argument that a jati system based on profession existed why did the hierarchical respect based on profession come into being? Were the Aryan outsiders bigots who did not believe in equality?

[@Bheeva_Studio]

cast already exist but when varn system came into picture problems start becouse ye vali casts es varn me jayegi or ye vali casts dusre varn me jaise dhobi hai ya barber hai to vo sudhra varn me jayege ye jo chij brahamins ne society ko sikhayi ki ye kam nicha hai or ye kam ऊँचा है ये जो ऊँचा वर्ण और नीचे वाला वर्ण है ये प्रॉब्लम है इसकी वज़ह से sudr varn me bhi ye jati uchi ye nichi karne lage log

[@leviackerman3895]

Adira bhen ke aage koi bol shakta hai kya,adira bhen

[@SrikantaMahananda-gx4zr]

Shayad iran shabd aur se aryan shabd saman hai. Avestan shabd aur Aitreya shabd saman hai aur 1500 BC me 500 BC me shayad vedic dharm (Zoroastrianism) ki avishkaar hua tha. Varna vyavastha prachin me shuru hua tha. Jab Rashidun caliphate ne madhya purvi chhetr par kabja kia toh kuch yahudi europe bhaag gye aur kuch aaj afghanistan me pasthun tribe naam se rehte hain aur kuch bharat bhaag aaye aur persian tribe /aryan /bramean pujari bhi the aur shasak varg bhi achaemenid aur sassanian empire ki aur yahudion se gharelu sampark bhi hai yahudi aur iranian/aryans ke bich me. Gujarat se hokar bharat me aaye bramean 7th century AD me bramean kshatriya vaishya ye 3 varn irani bhagode hain. Vajrayan-tantrayan-mantrayan buddhism ko brameano ki prabhaav se shuru hua tha. Incest inbreeding ye chizen vedic iran se shuru hua tha. Parsi (Zoroastrians) pujari varg bramean hain aur shasak varg bharat me aakar kshatriya vaishya banaye gye. Jab bramean iran se caliphate ki atyaachaar se bhaag aaye toh sindh ke rai rajvansh ke buddhist rajaon ne aashray dia tha.. Jo ki chachnamah padhkar jaan sakte hain. Prachin irani bhasha aur pali bhasha milkar bana hai sanskrit bhasha jisko use karke brameano ne rigved likha hai 15vi sadi me yani mughal raaj me. Chitpawan bramean jinko bene Israeli kahajata hai matlab yahudi hain chitpawan bramean. RSS ko banwane wale bal gangadhar tilak bhi ek chitpawan bramean tha kutta kahinka jo swadesi logon atyant ghrina karta tha. Isliye aaj sc st obc middle class aur below poverty line se development kar nahi paa rahe. Jab irani bharat bhaag aaye the toh tab koi buddhist iranion ko mara nahi tha khadeda nahi tha par ye chutiye bharat aane baad buddhism ko bharat se khatam kardia buddhists ko gulam bana dia musalmaano se milkar aur aaj reservation ki randi rona rote hain matlab kitne gire hue log hain ki unko unki majburi ke time ashray dene walon ko iranion ne gulaam bana dia yehi hai bramean kutton ki gyan haraamkhor kuttey kahinke kya sahi kya galat hai fark kar nahi paate haraamkhor kuttey kahinke sirf gundagardi aur kuch nahi chutiye kahinke

[@beyond2535]

Mujhe lga science pr baat hogi ye varn system jaise outdated discriminatory thing pr kyu ho rha he

[@Science_with_adira]

@@beyond2535 i wish ki outdated hota.

[@ankit5820]

Nonsense Fooled by jugglers

[@mohitaitaa4899]

Didi itni hi shii ho toh vigyan darshan or sanatan samikhsha channel se debate kro vo tumhari saari knowledge nikal denge aache se

[@mijana961]

🎉🎉❤❤adira

[@situationxd8650]

Gajputs

[@developer-bd9my]

These so called science by this science by that has literally 0 contribution in field of science they can just rant about 1000 year old system (varn system) which is not even imposed today 😂

[@r1a172]

For real.. is this even science?

[@Vajra98]

Not even imposed? Abhi recent mai ek dalit ladke ko tathakathit swarn ladki se court marriage krne ke ek hafte ke bhitar maar diya tha, kya hai ye? India mai kitni % shadi intercaste hoti hai aur kitni within caste, ye dekhlo pata lag jayega kitna impose ho rha hai ya nhi

[@developer-bd9my]

​@@Vajra98 kya dalito me jo bhi diiferent jati h sb apas me intercaste marriage kr rhe kya wo honor killing nhi karte unka percent lao sirf so called swarno ko villian bnanae se aur victim card khelne se nhi hoga

[@ujjwalyadav3783]

Apki caste kya hai didi?

[@scoobyaura-fr6dm]

new qt skeptic crush with avery cute face and soft voice!!

[@SS-ct4hv]

🙏🙏🙏🙏🙏

[@trippyartistt]

Ohhh woww …. Scientist adhira deleted my comment 😂😂😂😂 here you go How meaningless all this😂

[@kumarakantirava429]

@1:14:50 I agree with his conclusion. Adhira Ji, glad to see your in depth understanding of Bhagawad Gita.

[@humanitylover2156]

I think you need to read bhagwat Geeta chapter no 1 shloka no 40 it used the word 'Varnashankar' This shlokas clearly discouraged intervarna marriages coz it will create Varnasankar: unwanted childern. And This man was saying discrimination within the surdas has nothing to do with bhramins.. bullshit All four varnas were under the system of Bhraminism. The ideology of the ruling class was the ruling ideology. Discrimination within the communities became the common sense. Now look at the communities who were not under these 4 varnas, tribals people. They never practiced untouchability against different tribe. Reason: they were outside the umbrella of varna system. It is like - A criminal is saying to a Judge that look others are also doing crime, why my crime is special 😂😂. 😂😂😂 Discrimination within Shudras was the product of bharaminical system.

[@ankit5820]

​@@humanitylover2156He's a ratto tota kind of person. Less n theory r always diff

[@kumarakantirava429]

@@humanitylover2156 Thanks for your long reply. 1. Myself being a Sudra and a staunch meat eater, I do not want my temple priest to marry a Sudra girl and start meat eating in his house. 2. If everyone turns meat eater, who will advance the higher ideals of No Meat eating ? No Gambling, No Alcohl, Monogamy - these are the ideals of the Brahmin Varna. So, we need to protect these Varnas so that other varnas will slowly emancipate themselves to these higher ideals. 3. Please read the definition of a Brahmin from the Mahabharata. For example in the Vana Parva. Multiple times it has been defined. 4. Tribals .. ? They live in their Hamlets and pockets and the moment they see someone from the other tribe, they resort to V0-I-en-ce. 5. I give examples of 2 Anti-Caste religions of recent years. - Sikhism and Basavanna ( Lingayathism ) in KArnataka. Just look into how the whole of Pun- jab has become so casteist that they will not allow a Sudra ( D-A-L-I-T Sikh ) to become the President of the Gurudwara and seperate Dalit gurudwaras are being Built ! - Lingayats will not allow a meat eater to join their monastic order and ... I cant spell out more.

[@kumarakantirava429]

@@humanitylover2156 Thanks for your long reply. 1. Myself being a Sudra and a staunch meat eater, I do not want my temple priest to marry a Sudra girl and start meat eating in his house. 2. If everyone turns meat eater, who will advance the higher ideals of No Meat eating ? No Gambling, No Alcohl, Monogamy - these are the ideals of the Brahmin Varna. So, we need to protect these Varnas so that other varnas will slowly emancipate themselves to these higher ideals. 3. Please read the definition of a Brahmin from the Mahabharata. For example in the Vana Parva. Multiple times it has been defined. 4. Tribals .. ? They live in their Hamlets and pockets and the moment they see someone from the other tribe,.... 5. I give examples of 2 Anti-Caste religions of recent years. - Sikhism and Basavanna ( Lingayathism ) in KArnataka. Just look into how they have fared wrt caste !! - Lingayats will not allow a meat eater to join their monastic order and ... I cant spell out more.

[@jelouche]

@@humanitylover2156 And why, monks, did the Bodhisattva examine the family of his birth? Because a bodhisattva is not born into an inferior family, like a family of outcastes, flutemakers, cartwrights, or servants. A bodhisattva is only born into one of two families‍-a priestly family or a family of the ruling class. When the priestly families are dominant in the world, the bodhisattva is born into a priestly family. When the ruling-class families are dominant in the world, the bodhisattva is born into a ruling-class family. Thus, monks, at this time the ruling-class families were dominant in the world, so bodhisattvas were born into such families.

[@piyushchouhan5398]

These Ramtas doesn't look good discussing science. To prove a point they try to find links between current contemporary science and their fictional books. 😂

[@situationxd8650]

Science???tripitak padha hai?? Mahayani kitabe padhi hai??😂😂😂parswabhag se janme.

[@itzvaibhav9366]

​@@situationxd8650 Bhai rehne do yeh bheemta hai dimag se nhi tango ke becho beche se sochta hai

[@situationxd8650]

@@itzvaibhav9366 😂😂😂😂

[@piyushchouhan5398]

@@itzvaibhav9366 Abbe Ramte tere pure Khandan mein mere jitna Padha likha nahi milega Jake aapna Gyan dusro ko baat😂😂

[@situationxd8650]

@@NishantKumar-ry9rpvery scientific saar ☝☝😜😜

[@ConceitedHeist]

❤

[@Mr.Lord.77]

Adira, you should not debate with weak facts, if you do not have enough information then do not debate with Hindus, first learn some about Hinduism from Science Journey Sir and then debate,

[@NishantKumar-ry9rp]

​@@situationxd8650anpadh journey ka science :- minus infinity jaisi koi cheez nahi hoti hai aur naa hi kabhi suna hai minus infinity ke baare me , dharti Suraj ka chakkar lagate lagate gol ho gayi , JC Bose ne pata lagaya tha ki plants haste hai , muskurate hai aur unko dard hota hai . 🤡 These illiterate bheemtas follow illiterate science journey who doesn't know basics of science , history , archaeology, linguistics and scriptures etc. 😂

[@jelouche]

And why, monks, did the Bodhisattva examine the family of his birth? Because a bodhisattva is not born into an inferior family, like a family of outcastes, flutemakers, cartwrights, or servants. A bodhisattva is only born into one of two families‍-a priestly family or a family of the ruling class. When the priestly families are dominant in the world, the bodhisattva is born into a priestly family. When the ruling-class families are dominant in the world, the bodhisattva is born into a ruling-class family. Thus, monks, at this time the ruling-class families were dominant in the world, so bodhisattvas were born into such families.

[@Science_with_adira]

@@Mr.Lord.77 i already know about the horrors of caste system but the topic was different.here the topic is if varna based of karma only will that be also flawed ? My argument was yes it still be flawed.

[@Mr.Lord.77]

​​@@NishantKumar-ry9rp hanuman bandar ne suraj ko muh me liya tha ? Sanatan ki science iske bare me kya kahti h?

[@NishantKumar-ry9rp]

@@Mr.Lord.77 chal tu iska reference valmiki ramayan se dikha de phir . Mein tujhe Buddha ke pichwade se paida hone ka reference deta hu aur tu mujhe Buddha ke pichwade se paida hone ke peeche ka science batana.

[@AnuChaudhary-w5c]

Didi seems very confused always mixing jatis and varna as a same manner. Let the guy complete his explanation before you dump more questions😂😂😂.

[@Science_with_adira]

@@AnuChaudhary-w5c i have already cleared before that i will consider varna as caste system too...and i have a solid reasoning for that and if me calling varna a caste system sounds confusing to people so its their problem coz they are not ready to accept the bare fact

[@jelouche]

@@Science_with_adira And why, monks, did the Bodhisattva examine the family of his birth? Because a bodhisattva is not born into an inferior family, like a family of outcastes, flutemakers, cartwrights, or servants. A bodhisattva is only born into one of two families‍-a priestly family or a family of the ruling class. When the priestly families are dominant in the world, the bodhisattva is born into a priestly family. When the ruling-class families are dominant in the world, the bodhisattva is born into a ruling-class family. Thus, monks, at this time the ruling-class families were dominant in the world, so bodhisattvas were born into such families.

[@ankit5820]

ADIRA U HAVE BEEN FOOLED AND MUGGLED IN CONVOLUTIONS OF THIS BRAHMINISM'S SKITS WHICH THEY USUALLY DO.

[@Science_with_adira]

@@ankit5820 i dont think so coz my stance is still in favor of eradication of varna and caste.

[@ankit5820]

@@Science_with_adira yeah that's a good thing. But he excused religion from the accusation n blamed the casteism among non Savarnas on themselves only stating the theory n mugged up skits of multitude of self contradicting statements by scriptures. It's simply washing hands from the responsibility and the acts of wrongs by religion. Christianity hasn't ever stated in scriptures that they believe in Racism or Orthodox Christians haven't ever accepted they did feudalism poverty n anti science, pseudoscience to defend christianity n their position which is naturally diabolic in them and unwritten properly anywhere but it was practically wrongs by them only in practical n theory by playing practical games of religion n politics in lives to kingdoms n system management. Events of casteism colorism and central Indians not liking and making fun of to very badly treating ( simply marginalizing the NE Indian tribal cultures ) Is not written in scriptures but practiced mostly by scriptures enforcement n believer guys in name of psycho purity n mental cultural OCD of fictional n mythical purity in text but nothing like that in practical. If there had not been any non religious movements in India, like socialism ambedkarism there would have no Evidence of any like we don't have in written in so called fanatic ancient scriptures. These western atheism socialism ambedkarism and modern science Uncovered n proved the conscious n willful mischievous games of casteism n discrimination by religious authorities like shankaracharyas ( who even today state about purity of varn n jati to be maintained and have said it's what it is today real should not be deviated by any thought anyway, added to Varna sankri or Varna jati Shankar phenomena of impurity of caste n Varna comes by going outside it as per scriptures. ) So bookish theory n Practical by all the religious ppl from local village small preist in temple to The Highest Authorities of Shankaracharyas who have never been touched n influenced by anyone have been taught n dictated by their Gurus of the real work that it is and the games of words n practical n theory to show fake memory fake history fake beautiful imagery of times with religious/brahminical literature n orders. They can't be relied upon as they r as we can see atleast from 500-600 yrs old history they r diabolic, hypocrite and mischievous best in the world any religion has ever been. They r best in excusing and escaping and washing away their hands from their real face n acts which is what that guy did. One can watch the Puranas mythology, dictated the imaginary psyche of kings, whom they want to create, to being their order on playlist of Aniruddha Kanishetty on mediaeval India based on various puranas on the Print KZbin channel. That tells the reality if things being very different than what the religious statements say n do the anthropology n history n proofs tell some evidence of the diabolism and mischievousness of religious games hiding varna jati or brahminism in face of it and being different than what they portray in one or other scriptures and being different in other which is all a game. We wear western clothes eat western foods make houses etc based on the methods allowed by Power economics influence that's now simply our efforts and wish but we r influenced and many times made to follow so by the type n amountof info n idea we r exposed to. Similarly the Powerful kshatriyas run by minds of Brahmins both being in same page of double faced saying things being scripturewise while controlling the access to work skill by using, manipulating, traditions culture psyche of ppl by their political social cultural thought n info Control over a village which is like a den of casteism making the whole of Indian society, Which is all by the rulers of minds n psyche at large. Ppl follow the infleuncial ppl of society while religious ppl the Brahmins n kshatriya saying words of religion and doing cunning games known as casteism in day to day activities events etc playing on every fine line, line which being Clearly evident n working openly in older times and being fine n hidden today. We eat tea, samosa, jalebi tomato potato becuz the powerful made ppl to eat grow n follow by their political technical army power. We wear what powerful n economical men made us to. And it is known as ppl do so on own.

[@Dr_Tesla_]

Is Bhargav se debate krne k liye Arpit Sir ya Science is Dope ya Science Journey hona chahiye. Tab is Mohaday ko Realities accept krni padegi. Isey discrimination nhi dikhai de rha Vedas aur Manusmriti me .. Waahhh beta.

[@himanshusingh6988]

14:48 wtf dude

[@humanitylover2156]

Joker h ye 😂😂

[@rajpandey7722]

Again wrong brahmvidya is computable

[@Science_with_adira]

@@rajpandey7722 no its not thats the realm of metaphysics.m talking of brahm gyan

[@rajpandey7722]

​@@Science_with_adira brahm gyaan means samatva main stith hojana means apne paraya ka bhed mit jana aur samast existence to apne aatma main dekhna my self is the verily self of all. Isliye brahmin ko uttam kaha. Debate with me on varn system which is flawless

[@rajpandey7722]

@@Science_with_adira aur varn na hi janam se hain na karm se varn ka base hain swabhaav . Debate with me on any platform either chat Or live

[@kumarakantirava429]

@@rajpandey7722 Ok. Go on and put out your ideas of how " Varna System " is flawless and how will you compute someone's swabhaav without monitoring action ( karma ).

[@rajpandey7722]

@@kumarakantirava429 debate not with u with channel admin . But only if u are curious on gaining knowledge I can discuss

[@fordocsandessentials]

Nice adira ji

[@dars430]

Isko science journey ke paas bhejo sab dimaag thik ho jayega