Was Warlords of Draenor Really That Bad Of An Expansion?

Warlords of Draenor, one of wows most infamous expansions. Whenever something bad happens in World of Warcraft, generally they use warlords draenor as a measuring stick, to say "sure this new features kind of bad, but it's not as bad as this thing from warlords of draenor". And to an extent it deserves some of that criticism, blizzard themselves even apologized for the expansion. But was it really that bad?
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[@tnecniw]

Warlords of dreanor didn't have bad content... It just had waaaaaaay too little content.

[@cyberdoga5728]

Hard Agree

[@matsmekker1132]

/caseclosed

[@Fabriciod_Crv]

Apexis dailies were good in what dimension? literally the exact same quest only in a different zone.

[@cyberdoga5728]

@@Fabriciod_Crv I'd take apexis dailies over a good chunk of the current world quests from shadowlands and bfa especcialy when you get a mob to do the elite apexis zones

[@Fabriciod_Crv]

@@cyberdoga5728 World quests has variety, Apexis dailies never changed and it was painfully slow, even going back there on a capped character it felt like it took too long, beacuse its just 1% per kill for the most part. The elite wasn't any different, you just needed to group up for it, that was it. Even SL's multi-step world quests feel better to do that AC dailies.

[@JadedWallace]

ah my favorite series, the april fools videos that make unironic good points

[@joshstraub6972]

true

[@transgamergirl5004]

I loved wod

[@angamaitesangahyando685]

Why is nobody in the comments mentioning the largest and the worst part of WoD - ability pruning? Because everyone here is a PvEer? Ashran, too, albeit smaller. Ability pruning gutted Destruction Warlocks, for example, just listen to Cobrak (my childhood icon). - Adûnâi

[@filthycasual8093]

@@angamaitesangahyando685 As a casual player WoD was the second best expansion to me, especially I started doing PVP after TBC. Ability pruning didn't affect my class as much (Plates), not sure about everyone else tho

[@legendofthenight2008]

i really enjoyed the video and went tgrough the whole thing, agreeing with author thinkin he makes solid points and just now noticed it was released on april 1st😭

[@Yarharsuperpirate]

Honestly the leveling process in WoD was some of the best i've seen. The zones were actually fun, the unique zone abilities added interesting functions to them, and it didn't take so long that it dragged on forever.

[@Piromysl359]

I actually had a lot of fond memories with WoD. Most likely because raid encounters were actually top notch.

[@FecalMatador]

I’m sure the raids weren’t bad. But it’s when they started moving wow towards a mobile game

[@supercal3944]

PvP was also decent in WoD. I also believe WoD was the most alt friendly expansion ever. The gearing was absolutely amazing.

[@hristopavlov298]

Facts my friends, wod was the tragedy where we had peak raid and class design with an okay pvp and amazing gladiator arena every man for himself mode and no content where we could use those classes outside of this one raid a week fun

[@zyella277]

@@supercal3944 WoD had the best pvp gearing system we had with the scaling up in pvp

[@N4chtigall]

Same. WoD had many flaws but raiding, PvP and class design was one of the best ever (in my opinion).

[@minimogu.7]

Something I think you missed is that the lvl 100 talent row added some of the most interesting abilities/passives such as gladiator stance, death from above, Necrotic plague, breath of sindragosa, chi explosion, cascade (this one was lvl 90 but still a cool addition), prismatic crystal, claws of shirvallah, lone wolf, empowered seals and demonbolt among others. You might dont like some of them but they were fresh and impactful by themselves, they really felt like an actual end of leveling reward.

[@hirumaredx]

Yeah this is true, I completely forgot to mention that

[@Sazandora123]

RIP Claws of Shirvallah, I loved that talent so much 😔

[@ballsofsalsa01]

@@hirumaredx Baldmongold saw your video and pointed out something true: the part where you talk about raid boss count, you were wrong. You said it had 27 raid bosses (Cataclysm) but it actually has 31: Baradin Hold: 3 Blackwing Descent: 6 Bastion of Twilight: 5 Throne of the Four Winds: 2 Firelands: 7 Dragonsoul: 8 31 bosses, not 27 so yes, WoD had the least But you could say Classic had only 1 difficulty, past that, heroic up to MoP, then all had 3 difficulties... so more bosses technically, as opposed to one boss always the same, like the old times

[@hirumaredx]

@@ballsofsalsa01 The thing with Cataclysm and Baradin Hold not being counted was basically because that was Cata's equivalent of world bosses. As Wrath and Cata were the only 2 xpacs that didnt have world bosses, and instead they used VoA and BH as replacements. Wod had 4 World bosses, so it would still even out if you wanted to include world bosses and BH. 103

[@ballsofsalsa01]

@@hirumaredx True but, it's still a raid. You mentioned "raid bosses" and those still count as such. I get your idea, as if you had to include those, then you'd need to count all other world bosses like Oondasta, Azuregos or Kazzak, but those can be seen as rare elite mobs as well, not instance bosses, while BH was indeed, a raid/instance. Like you said in a previous video, when making a guide, just a simple mistake can invalid the whole video, and finding this "mistake" made people go "oh so it's April Fool's and this bit of information is wrong, therefore everything else is also wrong,misleading or lying to prove a fake point" you could have use the * you do for many videos, the classic... *except for X thing *only in Y *counting Z to make it clearer for viewers

[@grumblemore1316]

"It was one raid tier away from being one of the best" - Oof! Great finishing line! R.I.P Shattrath raid! :(

[@F14thunderhawk]

moreso it just needed Mythic+ and less of its core progression being tied to the garrison. Its still without question a better expansion then Legion, BFA, or SL though because its only mistakes are being rushed to the point that Talador had to be axed which hopefully we get to experience when WoD classic rolls around, and the shear in a boxness of the garrison to the point that anyone that wasnt an alchemist never had to actually leave the garrison for crafting except to get felblood

[@Valehass]

@@F14thunderhawk Faralon abandoned. Garrson placement scrapped. Garrison customisation abandoned. Apexis Crystal grinding. Faction cities abandoned. Blizzard cut more content from WoD than any other expansion and it was obvious to anyone who played it. It was also when Blizzard stopped giving a crap about player reported bugs. Go to Karabor harbour and listen to the sound of combat that they never bothered to remove from the battle that ended when you completed the Shadowmoon Valley quest chain. Nothing says immersion like the sound of a battle playing all around you that obviously isn't happening.

[@Harleigh_19]

Can’t wait for the eventual Reddit posts “Unpopular opinion but..... WoD was a good expansion”.

[@hirumaredx]

lmao

[@kaironst2969]

At this point you dont ecen need to write your opinion, just share this video.

[@qunt100]

Someone on the forums asked when a wod classic server was coming lol. Like that would be cool to play with all the stuff that was actually going to happen in wod. All the cut content added back in, for the fungal whale mount boss thing, for example. The class accesories concept. All the scrapped zones. Nerfing the garrisons and the gold inflation nonsense. That would be worth playing. Adding in all the scrapped raids and cities.

[@TiaguinhoMu]

Enhanced mind flay is just a t10 shadow priest bonus from wotlk re made lmao @@hirumaredx

[@troodon1096]

It was half of a good expansion. What we got was great but half of it was missing.

[@caboose.20]

Rest in peace, Ray D. Tear

[@DeroTK]

That Ganar Cutscene was fucking insane i love it everytime again

[@labrador812]

I thought the same. I was looking forward to seeing more storytelling for Durotan and Yrel.

[@TheNecromorphkiller]

THE APRIL FOOLS JOKE IS THAT ITS A SERIOUS VIDEO

[@robertlupa8273]

The joke is that there's no joke. :P

[@icecold89341]

The cut shattrath raid really rubbed me the wrong way.

[@ahahaha6228]

I remember I was on acid during the twin orgron fight in Highmaul and thought the fire was gonna kill me in real life. Good times.

[@ChristianGyro]

@Top GIFs With Sound it is :D without weed I wouldn’t be here today

[@everychannel1025]

@Top GIFs With Sound as long as its only weed, shrooms or lsd you are good. Those have no negative side effects for them, they actually have benefits

[@SuLLyZorZ]

@@everychannel1025 Cid Barret would like a word with you. Well i mean he might i don't know, he's lost his mind from lsd.

[@coprographia]

@@everychannel1025 they have ketamine clinics now for treating depression. few drugs are absolutely good or bad, just varying degrees of dangerous

[@coprographia]

playing wow on acid sounds excruciating

[@kyleleehufnagel]

The art design, specifically pulling strongly from early eighties fantasy movies with low to mid range budgets, is so goddamned incredible. The emphasis on brass horns in all the soundtrack, the eerie familiarity of the former TBC locations that are altogether completely unique, goddamn it feels exactly like Conan the Barbarian and Beastmaster. There just wasn’t enough of it.

[@MythrilShotgun]

My main criticism of the video is Hiru's points regarding endgame content/dailies. There was rather little in the way of dailies, the one from your map, the variable one that was sometimes professions, pet dailies, and later the small handful in Tanaan. There were Rares that were killable daily and helped with the repgrind, but that's what it was, a repGRIND. Endlessly killing Skettis mobs was an intense pain. It really felt like an afterthought Granted, I'm someone who LIKED those dailies in MoP and didn't complain at all about them. I've got insane, so I'm not allergic to grinds, but having every rep tied to grinding them out was unpalatable. Furthermore, while those raids and dungeons were among the best WoW has ever had, I think alternate gearing systems (Like the Anima, world quests, or PVP of Shadowlands) would have incentivized people to prepare and engage in that content. Also, while you lauded the initial upsurge in launch playerbase, I think it's a bit remiss to mention JUST how baaaaaaaaad that launch was functionally. Who else remembers the stupid spyglass?

[@kyleleehufnagel]

@@MythrilShotgunthe only time I liked dailies was literally isle of quel’thas. Also, ALL endgames are nothing but repgrinds from Vanilla to today.

[@gromczar1589]

Yes

[@gromczar1589]

Best menu theme

[@kerimalpalt]

eerie? bro its the same fcking continent wtf r u talking about

[@cw7504]

I love the fact that the mage bar is just all one spell.

[@AlmightStick]

there was a time during WoD when that was the entire Arcane Mage rotation. It was literally 1 whole button. I knew there was Action Bar Bloat, but damn!

[@badass6300]

@@AlmightStick Damn, I haven't played Arcane in WoD, was it that bad? On the other hand Warriors, Shamans, Rogues, Paladins and Monks were amazing. I mean literally in shadowlands reverted a lot of the specs to resemble WoD class design(and some resemble Cata class design) and people love them now.

[@AlmightStick]

@@badass6300 Bad in a way because the complexity was non existent, But it did bring BIG numbers.

[@badass6300]

@@AlmightStick Yeah absolutely. One spell rotation is vanilla/classic WoW bad. What caused that?

[@dreamermagister8561]

A meme back from Cata. Stuck with the poor poor spec to this day.

[@bradleyhorecka5170]

WoD had some of the best lvling and zones ever. They were so pretty.

[@TNEQL]

Warlords of Draenor had some of the best zones in the entire game's history. The location were detailed but still expansive, meaning you could travel without being attacked every five seconds (hello Legion), and the questlines were great. The problem was... everything else. Once you hit max level, there was just nothing to do. And they gave up on the expansion practically as soon as it began.

[@VictoryfortheFreeman]

Exactly what happened to me

[@Mirimes]

I basically started playing consistently last year, but I've read most of the WoW books before... for what i saw, the issue of wod is how the expansion lore fit in the wow lore. It's easy to understand that the intention was to experience the rise of the horde story, but tho fit in a different time it was just too random... would have fit better a pretext like the one at the start of war of the ancients books, where you go to investigate something (maybe with khadgar) and you suddenly go back in time, and you have to survive and make the story go like it went in your reality. In that case it would have explained why thrall didn't even say hi to his parents, or at least be moved seing them alive.

[@generalgrievous3731]

I disagree. All I did at max level was PvP in Ashran, which was SUPER fun.

[@TierHarribel]

Wrong, the zones were utter shit

[@not_obsidian]

WoD’s extremely impressive zones and stories has a lot to do with the flight restriction experiment, it’s really a shame that so much content was cut or abandoned.

[@KikiAelita]

Idk if this was a joke or not, but I agree with this seriously. I remember at the time being less into it because MoP had thematically (in terms of visuals and more importantly what it made me think about and feel) been perfect to me as it had really come at a tough time in my life and had quite a bit of inspiration. But in hindsight, it's a favorite of mine.

[@ChristianGyro]

This is not a joke read the description

[@Lily_Orchard]

I know this video is an April Fools joke, but seriously? Hard agree here. Loved WoD, wanted to have more of it.

[@recnaito]

well, that's why people hate wod, we did not get more of it, except raids, leveling and pvp, there was nothing else.

[@riftbandit223]

Personally, I'd prefer an expansion around the Caverns of Time, maybe the five dragon aspects become emo and depressed since Cata. Corrupted by the Infinite Dragon flight, all time ways become under attack. This would give us an excuse to quest through pre-plague lordaeron. Explore the troll tribes before the Sundering, or just plain level between the 1st and 2nd wars. So much potential.

[@yohani8352]

LUL

[@ForsakenEve88]

Sames....

[@Ryan-sn3uo]

@@riftbandit223 It's like Cataclysm could have used an extra patch or two. Zandalar and Kul Tiras could have happened, alongside the Abysmal Maw raid that never happened. We could still get another time travel expansion that showcases pre-Sundering Kalimdor, but no clue where the later patches could lead us to tho.

[@kyotojosh3480]

Black Rock Foundry is one of the BEST raids of the entire game!

[@R0m0n3]

Hey I even got the mythic mount from my aotc clear back then.

[@brugalter94]

@@R0m0n3 you mean Cutting Edge? I don't remember a AoTC mount.

[@_Lis25]

@@brugalter94 no it just means that he got mount from the mythic probably.

[@lemlermark]

and BRF Mythic set is the most uniqe for every class in the game, most of them have special idle animation tho, no gear have the same special animation since then. Same with WoD pvp season 1 Elite sets

[@badass6300]

So are Highmaul and Hellfire Citadel.

[@user-sx1mm1sl6u]

The leveling and zones were flawless. Great zones and superb cinematics. Blackrock foundry is still my favorite raid ever in the game. Once you got the heroic gear though you didn't have anything to do. Personally I unironically enjoyed most of the expansion, but the fact I like to explore and level slowly might be coloring my perceptions differently than people focused on post-100 content.

[@grennbalze]

Agreed, I love to explore and play with alts, so I was usually pretty busy

[@4idenn]

I mean, slow leveling and exploration is how MMOs are *meant* to be played.

[@gaarajeffri1512]

I kinda Agree with you, WoD is one of my favorite expansions, Although i didn't raid much in black rock, i still find exploration and questing to be even more awesome, and i felt i had so much to do while being free of "mandatory things" in quests and reputation. Its also the expansion that made me have another main character for someone who only mains one class this was huge to me ^-^

[@badass6300]

Nope, I'm with you, WoD had the best content WoW ever had, it just had too little of it.

[@MrNoobomnenie]

I personally really liked the aesthetics of "industrialized Horde". Really, I am so tired of the fact that basically all fantasy must be aither medieval or in space. Why can't we have industrial fantasy?! 19th century aesthetics is so cool, and has so much potential for an interesting stories!

[@lenkagamine4145]

I mean. modern period fantasy isnt particularly rare. Warhammer is basically renaissance period. We have the entire steampunk genre, which is commonly interspersed with fantasy as well. Adventurequest and other settings have the whole 'magitech' thing going on. Lots of fantasy settings have modernist technology, though most of the time they still have swords and plate armor anyways. but to be fair, the 18th century also had swords and plate armor, so thats hardly a disqualifier.

[@86Corvus]

Because this is classic fantasy, not steampunk.

[@86Corvus]

Also space isn't fantasy, it's science fiction.

[@diamondmetal3062]

@@86Corvus Tell that to the Draenei.

[@deyedoriemberborn2817]

@@86Corvus Classic Fantasy? Gnomish Gyrocoptors and the Steam Tanks turned Siege Tanks would like a word from WarCraft 3. So would the Horde's advancement from basic catapolts to slingshot ones. Also, Gnomergan called, same with the goblins and their forest slaying shredders. WarCraft was a 'classic' fantasy game for one installment. What you have is wishful thinking.

[@okayleethogs1068]

The dungeons and raids were top tier, and leveling was top tier. The Garrison was poorly implemented and the content dearth dragged on way too long. The lack of content was so bad it unfortunately drags it into the personal worst xpac I ever played. I didn’t play BFA* took a break after going hard in legion.

[@WeedStriker]

I miss WoD because I miss the life I had back in 2014. That being said WoD had good qualities. The music in WoD has been the best we've ever had. (Protect the Throne is the most criminally underrated song in WoW's history. Period.)

[@lucasruas7790]

A light in the darkness is one of the best ost in wow

[@Ocyla]

Same, I loved the wpvp, enjoyed the questing, the raids, feral druid and shadow priest was the best ever imo, etc.

[@scarletcrusader5431]

God damn it me too.

[@chains-chains]

2014 was one of my best years. i will always look back on this expansion in a positive light because of it

[@matthewbreen1951]

What we got was decent. Can't wait for the "Was SL a bad xpac" 2 years from now.

[@henryhunter9643]

If it's the current expansion, it's the worst expansion ever.

[@Necrodoge]

i've unironically seen people say stuff about how bfa was better now like i enjoyed bfa but nah i like shadowlands more and also shadowlands still isnt finished

[@michaelbachman5890]

Have a semi famous troller on one of my servers acting pissed when his level got dropped back to 60

[@badass6300]

So far Shadowlands is an amazing expansion, the only problem is, it's having the same problem as WoD, content draught and lack of new content.

[@Necrodoge]

@@badass6300 true it is getting kinda boring with the content drought but at least there will be new content idk why stuff is taking so long but im just gonna guess and say it would have been faster if it weren't for the whole global pandemic

[@aaronbrungardt2917]

I must be one of the few who really liked the garrison. The sailing missions from the garrisons were a miss for me. I also loved the quest line at the beginning when first entering the dark portal and fighting your way out of Tanaan Jungle. I thought of it as a fun way to introduce the expansion. It would have been great to be given more options with the garrison, and as an introvert, I had no problems with staying out of capital cities.

[@RobertoM-uz4hm]

I loved ashran and pvp all day, exploring the beautiful zones, multistrike, and of course getting new friends and just playing for no reason. I guess its all about perspective, for me, i had a lot of fun

[@joaocaju3061]

Classic Ashran was really cool, it felt like a dance of some sort with teams having to drop off combat to do different objectives and come back to push later.

[@zhanibek8384]

I never really played WoW but to me the whole thing seems like WoD would have been a perfect expansion for casual (normal) players. Unfortunately by that time WoW cultivated an audience full of sweat lords who would spend 5 hours daily playing the game.

[@cesarluizfrancischettialas4545]

RIP Ga'nar, one of the best questlines in wow to date

[@Tibainium]

Its crazy that after playing BFA and SL I actually start to miss WoD

[@rossblackblood9554]

WoD is when I first started caring about the game, got my first Max level character, and really started being a part of the community. My favorite dungeons are in WoD, and it has some of my favorite zones.

[@op3l]

This is why I'm subscribed to you. Excellent explanation that goes deep into the problem itself. I didn't play WoD except after it to level through, bit this gives so much insight into what happened.

[@theflamedruid1456]

you know it's bad when you daydream of playing warlords of dreanor

[@TheEiric]

I'd happily raid foundry or citadel as current content over nathria, they were a lot more interesting.

[@zyella277]

Well id play WoD any day over legion, bfa or shadowlands. ateast i actulyl coul enjoy my class.

[@Ajan-X]

I really enjoyed WoD. I loved all the secrets they had sprinkled across the maps. They contained fun and useful things, and pets. Not just order halls resources, azerite, artifact power and what not.

[@arthas_scourge]

Loved WoD, from the cinematic giving me chills every time I watch to the epic Iron Horde soundtrack, the fun moments are easier to remember than the low points

[@PandaWolf525]

“LOK’TAAAAAAR!” Still the one cinematic that got me. That is a real Orc.

[@joshuasmith4643]

The lvling aspect of it when it launched was amazing, the patches to follow sucked.

[@Chronochrome]

You mean the lack of patches LOL

[@arforafro5523]

The patches were good, the problem was being served a delicacy after starving for months.

[@ValryshaClips]

@@arforafro5523 I personally wouldn't call 6.2, the only major patch, all that good. The Raid was excellent - true, but the rest of the patch was a bit of a joke. Tanaan was 7 Apexis Areas that weren't all that enjoyable, as well as a few rares, some godawful reps and a splattering of vignettes. The Shipyard was a complete meme too - just a worse Mission Table. Mythic Dungeons were kind of cool but it didn't really add anything - many people including myself expected new mechanics or maybe even an extra boss, it was just Heroic dungeons from the start of the expansion basically. Timewalking was neat but wasn't expanded upon and was pretty useless until 6.2.3 a good few months later. The bonus events were neat and were a good example of an evergreen system that still is in the game today.

[@Esqueletochip]

I'll be back here next year to see hiru praising for BFA being actually good

[@kaironst2969]

Can get why WoD, but you're crossing the line

[@Maria_Erias]

@Randall Kildare That, and the schizophrenic nature of the storyline. Blizzard took out their lore books, squatted over them, and took a huge steaming dump on them. Then kicked them all over the place, rubbed their crap-covered hands all over the walls like some kind of psychotic finger painting, and then showed it off proudly.

[@Maria_Erias]

@Randall Kildare Not a lot of people, if my friend list on Discord is anything to go by. Mainly playing on RP realms, RPers generally hated BfA because of the schizophrenic, fractured narrative, and Shadowlands is generally horrible. BfA generally was more alt friendlier than Shadowlands has felt so far, and the content didn't feel so mind-numbingly boring. BfA at least had two separate stories for the factions to play through as you leveled, but the Covenant system in Shadowlands doesn't allow that. The fact that Threads of Fate allows you to choose a Covenant but not progress its story seems a shatteringly stupid decision on Blizzard's part. That leaves the entire leveling experience in Shadowlands to either a single storyline that you have to play through with every single character, or simply grinding out dungeons, world quests, and bonus objectives. Basically the same thing from every past expansion, just now 'official'. Not very innovative.

[@kou7191]

@Randall Kildare WoW's "official" lore ended in WoTLK, after that it's just been a chain of improvised fanfictions

[@rdogg114]

@@kou7191 TBC itself was a improvised fanfaction as well.

[@eolar959]

Our annual fix of Hiru’s april fools day

[@WeedStriker]

Jesus man.. I remember I was jogging in my yard last year when I was listening to "Arthas did nothing wrong". It was during quarantine times. I can't believe it's been 365 days since then.

[@eolar959]

@@WeedStriker I’m sad to inform you that it is😂

[@jwbartle]

"WoD is the only expansion to have full cinematics for every zone" - Not for Gorgrond or Spires of Arak.

[@MrSaltycrackers]

I played wod totally solo and the leveling kept me completely engaged the whole time

[@aedwynn6474]

Likewise.

[@grennbalze]

Ahhh, WoD. The expansion that copuldve been. What was there was generally fantastic. Im still salty though about the Horde/Alliance Player hubs. Bladespire Citadel in Frostfire Ridge wouldve been such a cool base. And The Alliance diodnt even get to go into Karabor. So much cut content that we lost

[@EskayRogue]

Dude, you talking about the ga'nar storyline and his sacrifice actually gave me memory chills, like the hairs on my arms to straight from the memory of playing through that, I absolutely loved the leveling in wod and the raids we're also amazing, I got into raiding in that expac so I am a bit biased there.

[@mizushark4034]

Black rock foundry is my favorite raid it s just so unique

[@p4sitiv374]

wod was my 2nd favorite xpac after mop, 400+ days played on hunter priest, realy loved it

[@LoudAlive36]

This was the last expac me and my dad played together, it holds a special place in my heart.

[@felipe-zm8yd]

I only played BFA and now Shadowlands as current content, WOD has always felt like the ghost of the past, never to be mentioned. But everytime I go to Draenor I have such a joyous time, it was the only Pathfinder I didn't mind grinding because I enjoyed the continent and zones so much.

[@franklinmorgan1828]

WOD really is only hated because of a lack of content. It’s pretty widely agreed that the content that actually made it into the game was very good overall (minus garrisons). That’s probably the reason you enjoy draenor so much. The content really was great.....there just wasn’t much of it.

[@emrico06]

Wod was a memorable experience for me, the zones, ost and new models where awesome

[@chrisk7658]

Was anyone else waiting for the "APRIL FOOLS" at the end?

[@becjed1701]

I achelly hoped this wasn't an April fools

[@joaaocaampos]

No.

[@OliveOilFan]

I’ll be honest. I had more fun during WOD then BFA.

[@Yepbeef]

No shit

[@TheChristianWood]

One of my most favorite expansions was WOD

[@witcherpie]

ill be honest too, i had more fun in bfa than in any other expansion

[@adolphbalboa5069]

I thought this was another April Fools joke I'm so glad it's sincere

[@CL-jq1xs]

Well except the last part where he just brush off a missing raid tier like it's a small thing. It could very well be the biggest reason why people are continuing their subscription. It's sincere in a way but it still has April fools joke here and there.

[@mateopatek]

It wasn't a bad expansion not by a long fucking shot, the biggest problem was that.. there was not ENOUGH content. The content we had was good but not enough, with all the resources, the money the fanbase.. everything and all they came up was that pile of dogshit. WoD really was an expansion that could of been.

[@nimrath]

I actually liked WoD a lot. but thats most likly cause i loved the garrisson, followers, navy, and all that came with it. but then i am a old school RTS player.

[@MsShoobre]

The content drop most complain about is that the story from Blackrock to hellfire was a hugh gap with entire story lines clipped. Exampel Hellscream went from baddie to goodie in a snap

[@XochiCh]

I know its april first, but most of Hiru's April Fools videos have some truth to them, even if they are jokes, WoD wasnt as bad as it was painted to be, people just had too much hype and expectations.

[@jconnor609]

Awesome raids, pretty awesome zones, was a bit glitched up at launch, but honestly, compared to SL and BFA this was a better time for WoW, its a shame they kind of gave up half way through.

[@cyberdoga5728]

This is my opinion of WoD but unironically, It is a shame it gets the rep as the worst expansion to this day when BfA and current exists. I'd take another 2 years of WoD over the 2 newest expansions any day.

[@ProjectpvpProduction]

At least in wod I could actually play the game the way I wanted to. Not pigeon holed down the same route and forced mandatory quest lines. At least PvP gear was viable and not impossible to get. Miss wod pvp so bad.

[@cyberdoga5728]

@@ProjectpvpProduction I got an mmo hot take, I actually liked having a tangeable end to player progression and the ability pruning so that my keyboard isn't clogged up with so many buttons for everything I need to raid and pvp

[@phantom0456]

Wod’s mission table was what enabled me to buy nearly all of the card trading game mounts.... feldrake, mottled drake, rhino, blazing hippogryph, that fel hippogryph, that skeletal ghost horse, and several others... totally worth it.

[@user-rq4wh4nm4q]

My guy.... u have so relaxing voice, and i feel super comfortable watching your videos.. sry if this is weird or something, but u have vibe of some super cool vibe.. I’m new to wow and I got ursefl a new subscriber my guy.. keep up w good work

[@GaarasGoth]

I joined WOW during WOD so it has a special place in my heart. :)

[@thenerdbeast7375]

"The content drought of WoD, the worst content drought in the game's history" *laughs in Shadowlands*

[@Fabriciod_Crv]

They’re both pretty similar, 6.1 was literally 0.5 patch

[@llewellyn9192]

@@Fabriciod_Crv yeah i remember people at the time we like oh 6.1 brings the black rock raid. When in fact that raid was part of 6.0 and was released with the updated bloodelf models and selfie camera round about 6.1

[@thenerdbeast7375]

@@Fabriciod_Crv but here is the thing: Most expansions have a huge content drought _at the end_ of the expansion's run. SL is the only expansion that _started_ with a big content drought.

[@Fabriciod_Crv]

@@thenerdbeast7375 the time between WoD’s launch and it’s first (and only) major patch was 7 months.

[@jaimexcas]

In WoD, besides raids, doing Undone quest were the end game... now you have a variety things to do that would have been considered top north in thst time.

[@jpalmer999]

The problems I had with WoD were the garrison missions, the ship yard basically being garrison missions 2.0, 6.1 being called a major patch, which it is NOT, the poor writing, and the ending making no sense. That's just off the top of my head.

[@forrestredd2706]

I've been playing WoW for 13 years now, and MoP and WoD are probably the most time I spent actively playing an expansion. They are still, to this day, my favorite expansions.

[@SuperLuigiFan22]

Same brother

[@MrRafting]

the class design was also at its peak, notably blood dks having BoS which made tanking pretty damn fun

[@MrMrdhmhtrhs7]

what's BoS i remember little of blood back then

[@MrRafting]

@@MrMrdhmhtrhs7 breath of sindragosa, which currently exists only for frost DKs (lorewise it fits frost only, i'd say, but it was a nice build option for blood tanking)

[@selwrynn6702]

I will admit I've been very down on WoD but I suppose I tend to forget all the good times and fun that I did have during the expansion While Thrall totally cheated during the Mok'Gorah vs Garrosh that was a REALLY cool cinematic at the time. I remember having so much fun with the Artillery Strike ability in Talador. I know it's kinda controversial now but I really liked Yrel through WoD, I am sad that they didn't end up making the Auchindoun raid that had the mid point of her story. And after seeing how she changed in the Mag'har recruitment quest I hope we see her again in the future. The request stop flight button has saved me so much time. The new character models are so nice that people even want to see them added to #NoChanges classic wow AND #SomeChanges TBC Classic. Having an abomination as the pet for the Unholy DK was really cool too, I remember when progressing in HFC we would joke about our DK's abom name and how "now that he's here we got this, our boy Gorechop is gonna carry us." The biggest thing I had an issue with garrisons was that I wish you could've built in different styles, I really wanted my garrison to have blood elf architecture.

[@danielskrivan6921]

I think a lot of the issue with solo endgame in later expansions (starting mainly with Mists) is the progression of it. In WotLK there were lots of dailies that were mandatory for around a month or so. After that, you unlocked what you needed. In MoP, the dailies were mandatory for extra gear rolls the entire expansion. In WoD, the garrison was mandatory for massive amounts of gold for the entire expansion.

[@yohh-hj1lf]

over span of my life's memories before I started playing WoW in BFA, I still remember seeing WoD trailer somewhere on the internet. It was so impactful especially when he yelled 'we will not be slaves'. That scene was ingrained in my brain for weeks and almost got me playing WoW for the first time back then. Now, I wish I was playing WoW before WoD and wish I enjoyed that moment even more when I watched the trailer. Can't imagine how pumped you guys were seeing the trailer for the first time.

[@scomdnz9]

I loved 6.1 Windwalker Monk in WoD. The best the spec has been in pvp and arena for sure.

[@4erographer]

I started playing during WoD, which is probably why I enjoyed it lmao

[@ale420]

What's the name of the music at the end ?

[@greywolf892]

Full cinematic for every zone? What cinematic do gorgrond and spires have?

[@unarmoredwtf]

For me wod was the epitomy of class design/fantasy, pvp-wise. I also rly enjoyed the garrison. I stopped playing wow after what they did to my beloved DK in the following xpansion...

[@Jorendo]

I liked Draenor, especially compared to the expansion that came after it. I disliked the ones after way more, I found Draenor having a better story and all. Sure BfA added new races, but everything after Draenor was timegated bullshit.

[@darkstorm2579]

I actually liked Draenor when it came out. The leveling zones kept me engaged, and I loved my garrison. I even tried my hand at the legendary ring, but sadly never got the chance to finish it before Legion came out.

[@Shiirow]

the only issue with WoD was that it had practically nothing do outside, except painfully boring apexis hub dailies. if there was more to do, it would have been a more positive reception. I really loved raiding Blackrock Foundry, one of the few times I actually did a higher difficulty than the norm, and killed a few mythic bosses.

[@antonf.7029]

Gladiator protection warrior was amazing and when they killed it I abandoned the class out of disappointment.

[@eitrok]

Not sure if april fools (as i never played that expansion), but so far very interestong video. Nice 👍

[@kekw6029]

He does videos like these on every April fools,And i always agree that the joke is actually a fact

[@principetnomusic]

His April Fools videos are always kinda semi-serious. He voices controversial opinions that can be either dismissed as jokes or accepted earnestly

[@amplesstratleholm7609]

Hiru's April Fools videos are always in the vein of focusing on the actual positive aspects of the topic, while withholding or rephrasing the negatives to make the topic seem better. That's why I find these fun.

[@xpuc70]

Description sais its not april fools

[@kekw6029]

@@xpuc70 and you believe it? Hiru said on twitter that this is his favourite april fools video yet

[@ShinryuMasaki]

April Fools joke or not, he does make good points. But since I'm not a raider, and I rarely PvP, until Tanaan Jungle came out, I barely had anything to do in WoD, so I spent most of my days farming old dungeons and raids for mounts, battle pets, and transmog gear. Though the thing I hated the most about it is how Blizzard tried so hard to sell us the orc warlords as insane savages that where dangerous, but when confronting them in game they felt SO weak! Then again maybe it had to do with me playing a BM hunter. The most frustrating moment for me was in Spires of Arak, when you confront one warlord (I don't even remember who!), anyway, I was mowing down the adds while getting to him like it was nothing, thinking he was in for a massive surprise, seeing as I was destroying anything in my path, but then Terokk comes up and takes over my body, claiming I was too weak to fight head on with the orc warlord, and that he would lend me his power! Yeah, right! That asshole made me WEAKER and it took a lot more time to kill adds, and finally when I reached the orc, he apparently was too strong even for Terokk! I was fuming so bad I was literally screaming "Get the fuck out of my body you pos bird so I can beat the crap out of that stupid orc!" Yes, the salt was at an all time high! Going from murdering the bad guys like it was nothing to taking almost triple the time to get them down to then running away, ya that left a sour taste in my mouth. The disconnect between the player's gameplay power and the enemy's storyline power was massive.

[@DavidBrocekArt]

Elitists: You know, we are very hard core players, who enjoy only the hardest difficulty. Also Elitists: **downloads every single addon available, telling them where exactly to click at what given time**

[@muckymcflyify]

Hours of not being able to get past the building a Garrison at launch... yeh... loads of fun. Some crazy screen shots of all the players stuck in the the phase loop.

[@Wooblidoo]

I know it's april fools but I actually liked this expansion. It was much better than BFA was.

[@benjijagermeister2956]

And in terms of pvp better then Sl!

[@Necrodoge]

and here we go the flat circle of time continues see y'all in a few years when y'all talk about how much you loved bfa

[@benjijagermeister2956]

@@Necrodoge i dont think so bcs i quit in Bfa but didnt quit durinh WoD. But tbh much more friends were playing back then.

[@kevina54]

That last line really got me. I actually really enjoyed the story and such from WoD. It was really when I started raiding for the first time (Well I raided in MoP but like only LFR). I had a lot of fun with the garrison and honestly was surprised by how much backlash it got.

[@Chee7sAEpp]

i played WOD during the final 2 months. just caught up on achievments, some gearing, some farming, exploring etc. and i actually liked it quite a bit. rep farming with cross server, treasure hunting, interesting zones (comparing tbc with the old/new zones) and the garison, even if its just a fancy mobile game. it was actually quite a bit of fun. what i liked most is, that there was something to do and there were daily/weekly changes. even with the release of shadowlands i came back a few times just to check on the state of things (mainly for pet battle stuff). the introduction of world quests was really exciting and it felt somewhat meaningful. i think this was the last time i felt excited about exploring and seeing the world. Shadowlands however is also great , especially storywise. but the world design feels inaccessible. then again: i played WOD "only" for about 2 months.

[@memesupreme5502]

WoD was great, I honestly can't remember a single quest from MoP that wasn't tied to a boring rep grind and that expansion honestly gets such a free pass since people love to hate cata/wod while ignoring the very forgettable connecting expansion

[@DaWoWzer]

I know this meant to be an April fools video, but you can tell it became too real by the run time

[@ChristianGyro]

No this is not meant to be an April fool read the description

[@AzureRoxe]

Taking into account the hell that came later on with BFA and the fact that it gave us the incredible Legion, WoD was wonderful. One of WoD's big issues though is that it was the first expansion where Blizzard truly dropped the ball with many things, including the fact they said so many times that Grommash would be the final boss, only to turn around instantly and put Gul'dan as the big baddie. Ashran and the multiple clearly canceled locations that had been hyped up are also a problem. Remember that city that they swore would be a big location for Alliance and would be super important? In-game, you had like one quest there.....and that's it. Also, we had some of THE best cinematics in WoD, especially for Horde.

[@whirledpeaz5758]

Blackhand: What do you want little girl? Yrel: Your head! Pops wings and makes like Liam Neeson in Rob Roy.

[@AP-hv9ll]

okay-- you got me for a minute. :)

[@ChristianGyro]

? This is not April fool

[@SanJo2MD]

The model updates were the best part of WoD in my opinion, they made a lot of the races look so much better

[@LemanRussx]

Is that when it happened? Thats really cool

[@itsanixela]

I actually started playing WoW at the tail end of WoD (several weeks before the Legion pre-patch event) and really enjoyed all the content, even considering that the only raiding I did was LFR to grab some upgrades after leveling.

[@Kylora2112]

The one issue I had with WoD what that the cut content (Farahlon as a zone and Shattrath as a raid) royally messed with the story as we saw it. We went from picking off Grommash's top underlings (Kargath, Ner'zhul, Blackhand, etc.) to "Oh hey, Grommash is on our side now and we're fighting Gul'dan's forces!" The Shattrath raid could/would have provided some decent context, like maybe we start by fighting the Iron Horde, both us and the Iron Horde realize that the true threat is Gul'dan and the Burning Legion and Grommash & co. help out in the later boss encounters against some demon lords. WoD had absolutely *fantastic* leveling and raid content, but everything else was pretty weak. Even when they added mythic dungeons, it didn't do much for anyone doing even heroic raids. Also, the fact that every dungeon boss dropped the entire array of items in a particular slot meant that it was *really* hard to grind for specific dungeon items while gearing up (I think I had over 4 dozen runs of heroic Shadowmoon Burial Grounds trying to get a multistrike/crit helm or something on my SV hunter, same with a DPS trinket in UBRS). The daily content also kinda sucked if you weren't specifically looking for the cosmetics. But if every expansion could approach the quality of WoD leveling and raiding while also providing solid daily/weekly content (world questing, mythic keystone dungeons, stuff like that), we'd have an ace expansion. I think Shadowlands could be that (the fact that you can get close to normal raid quality gear from just doing world content is also very nice, while also having some reasons to still pop into LFR [legendary powers, anima] even if you don't actually raid) if the future raids are solid. Castle Nathria is okay; the aesthetics are amazing, but there are just way too many "STOP EVERYTHING FOR A MINUTE!!!" boss encounters (and those are the worst...I don't mind GFTO! mechanics like Sludgefist where you only lose about 5 seconds a minute, but Shriekwing and the Council are just bad, even if DDR on the Council is actually pretty fun). MoP is still my favorite expansion, though.

[@RazanaArcclaw]

Everyone knows WoD was the best expansion, why you gotta make a video on something everyone knows?

[@hirumaredx]

true true

[@Corrupted]

warlods did nothing wrong

[@Spunky.Streams]

Nice explanation Hirumaredx ! Didn’t play WoD but when returning for BFA, Okanari and I checked out the garrisons and they seemed awesome. Thus, I always wondered why they fell off.. so thanks for the video!! Note: I think they should have included some kind of battleground PvP option with the garrisons, AND each garrison be class specific+include class specific specialty buildings (reg orc garrison, nightelf garrison in da purple woods, goblins get a silly town, each garrison is in a zone that coincides with race. Then, also, hunters get a cool wolf den {Or something}, mages get a mage tower, priests get a temple, and so friggin on…. :P ) For the garrison pvp, an example : You Queue at your garrison for the BG, loads you and your garrison into BG (some kind of garrison ranking tiers puts you in a fair fight). Then you can build more and more buildings, troops, and/or defenses (battleground specific) and if possible, have 2v2 (4-garrisons total) and 1v1 option. What I’m imagining (and I imagine A-LOT) is a combination of Warcraft 3 play AND WoW play. Hirumaredx and anyone else, what do you think about this idea?

[@Spunky.Streams]

Correction: each garrison be race specific, and each class gets a specialty building that would help in the BG

[@brewerybrian]

I've always been a fan of WOD but at the time I was a solo Horde quester. It was a lonely time for me not getting involved with guild activities but I loved the zones, quests and the garrison.

[@420PraiseIt]

Sparing you 25 mins of your life. Answer is : Yes.

[@dodoontherocks]

its about the journey not the answere

[@thelifestomper6771]

Can you tell me what's the music you choose ? i really liked it :)

[@snipeez1ify]

I did feel like the content was more spare at the begging of the WoD, so I took a break, and I came back like a month before 6.3, and there was PLENTY to do at that point. I had a blast getting my moose out of Hellfire citadel, and the new zone was actually pretty fun to spend some time in. Along with being able to pull out my old gear and set bonuses for time walking (Like the panda land cloak). That along with mythic dungeons that were great for gearing up, and brought some life back to doing dungeons. Just imagine if the garrison was part of the major city though. The one thing I think they should’ve done like they planned was the two major cities instead of ashran, I think having those cities with the garrisons in them, and if you didn’t get EVERYTHING you needed from garrisons, but still kept them decently good. I think that alone could’ve done a lot to change how WoD was remembered. That plus one more solid raid tier.

[@chrisk1255]

Even in Shadow lands, I still use my garrison at times as a retreat. If nothing else, you can hearth to your garrison, take the portal to azuna, and be in SW in less than 30 seconds if your other stones are on cool down.

[@Doumu]

Man I miss the WoD soundtrack though. Don't think they've ever had that level of epicness since really. Shame.

[@DarvaldYT]

Even though the endgame was lackluster and way too much was tied into the garrison, I really liked WoD’s locations, setting and story., I found it interesting to not be fighting against a single bad guy but to be facing off against an overwhelming, well developed army.

[@bomouth142]

Honestly, Blizzard would have been better off by keeping the dailies and just removing gear from rep vendors. That was the primary complaint about mists dailies.

[@jarcuadanantus28]

Still doesn’t change the fact that I remember logging on feeling like I had nothing to do, and logging back out more than any other expansion so far. Granted I did start doing social RP stuff in the game at the end of legion, so maybe that’s why BFA didn’t seem so bad....but I also liked farming my warfront sets, so, even then I remember having something I felt like I actively wanted to do.