Was Zack Snyder Justice League a success? - Spoiler Review

Zack Snyder's Justice League is a long time coming release that takes a long time to watch. As requested here's our review from our podcast The Weekly Planet for those interested covering everything from the changes concerning the Joss Whedon version, new inclusions, re-shoots including Jared Leto's Joker and the future of the series. Thanks for all the support, much appreciated.
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[@JDubs9999]

Maybe the real Synder Cut was the friends we made along the way.

[@overheadjumper]

That's the cutest thing I've ever seen.

[@usualblokeluke]

Nah the real Snyder Cut was in us all along

[@DredgeX97]

I love how this joke keeps rolling. 🤣

[@micekvg1]

Dayum...that is deep...in a positive way of course

[@altostreeter]

@@DredgeX97 I wonder what THE original was.

[@DavyWafflezDTK]

It’s a five hour movie if you include the Mr Sunday Movies review and that’s the cut we’ve been looking for.

[@stinkyfartguyofficial]

I really liked the part where batman said "What are we, some kind of Snyder Cut?"

[@PittsburghSonido]

That’s fantastic. ***** looks over at the Thing

[@christianc.christian5025]

Why this comment isn't the top rated one is proof of KZbin being broken.

[@robintwiddy4246]

I really liked the part when the Joker said “We live in a Snyder Cut.”

[@Flipitmixit]

😂😂😂😂😂

[@MarkSmee]

Nice

[@weluv3zra]

I loved the scene when Joker said "I am famous actor Jared Leto and i'm here to propose a deal Ben Affleck".

[@booblebopple3455]

Unironically woulda been better

[@GenerationWest]

I just noticed Superman's mullet and beard has been steadily growing in for an hour. I was wondering why it was looking better over time.

[@ardenaudreyarji]

LMAO

[@JoshuaHeathJwshGaming123]

Yo I just noticed that at 50 minutes

[@jesterssketchbook]

you could still tell they CG'ed out his mohawk from Mission Impossible

[@GrayMetro]

Dude, I thought I was losing my mind halfway through this. I was on my phone simultaneously and I'd occasionally look up at the screen and be like "wait...is that a mullet and five o'clock shadow? Hello?"

[@mariopaloozaable]

Lmao

[@kevinryan1438]

True weekly planet fans only watched this movie to hear cyborgs iconic catchphrase “you should probably move”

[@jussts]

My wife and I literally cheered when he said it... it was probably the high point of the movie for us.

[@crapnuggets202]

i thought of James and Maso when i heard it

[@SchulzEricT]

I mean, you could've saved yourself a lot of time and just watched the trailer...

[@Sprucemoose57]

I love how much James is actually enjoying it and Maso is just being a big grouchy boy and won't have a bar of it 😂

[@rorschach9604]

I don't think James is actually 100% enjoying it... he is just a lot more careful with what he's saying for very, very obvious reasons. Mason on the other hand is completely honest and doesn't give a fuck so... absolute respect to him for that.

[@yonsetv5223]

By honest you mean "gotta be different from the other reviewers and appeal to the minority that dislike this movie". He does like 100% and that's fine because its clear everyone else on KZbin does as well. The dislikers are the minority this time 🤷

[@darkphq]

Yeah... Mason wouldn't like the movie no matter how good it would have been.

[@rorschach9604]

@@yonsetv5223 How can his opinion being that he dislikes a lot of this movie not be in the minority? Have you seen how people talk about this movie? This is somehow the magnum opus for DC fans. I absolutely respect Mason for his opinion and his honesty. James was so so so incredibly careful with what he says and how this video even started and became a lot more comfortable around the end for reasons like either not caring anymore since it's like way past the 30m mark in an 1h long video or because Mason on the other hand has no worries of how this is going to be taken. Something that A LOT of channels did not do. And no, James literally shat on the future parts of the movie, rightfully so... he doesn't like all of this movie... completely normal since it has so many flaws.

[@rorschach9604]

@@darkphq Don't think so at all. If you actually listen to what are his problems with the movie, they're totally normal. James half the time was sweating from worrying how this video is going to be taken for obvious reasons.

[@Darth--Malak]

When you realize Supermans mullet is slowly growing throughout this video: 👁👄👁

[@gedeonnunes5626]

SPOILERRRRRR

[@dwoodstwin]

Lol

[@dirtydiggle]

honestly, yeah, spoiler.

[@Darth--Malak]

@@dirtydiggle Spoiler for what lol, slowly watching a picture of Henry Cavil grow hair?

[@samuelperezgarcia]

Dude, I just noticed xD

[@jujubeanz009]

The BEST part of the movie was the conversation between Silas Stone and Ryan Choi Choi: “You’re now looking at the hottest thing on Earth. That’s what I told my prom date. She still dumped me.” Stone: “...ok...” *walks off* I never laughed so hard at such a bad joke in my life.

[@TheUltimateWriterNZ]

But if Joss has made this scene people would’ve hated it for being so jokey

[@Renoistic]

@@TheUltimateWriterNZ 95% of the added jokes were terrible so no loss IMHO.

[@jujubeanz009]

@@TheUltimateWriterNZ not really. Bad jokes are bad. This one and the “my second favorite chair” bit from Flash was kinda dumb. I hated Joss’ humor too. It was at the expense of Wonder Woman like “hurr hurr beautiful woman meets awkward man funny heehee”

[@thegrayyernaut]

@@jujubeanz009 That chair was his second favorite because his most favorite is the one at the prison, where he can talk to his dad. (just my guess)

[@dieseltyme]

The way you solve the slow motion problem is to speed up everything that doesn't have the Flash in it so that when the flash is in slow motion it serves a narrative purpose meanwhile the editing serves the functional purpose of making the movie three and a half hours which is basically the same length of bvs director's cut and coincidentally the length of this run on sentence.

[@jeeks3747]

At least u acknowledged it was a long ass run-on sentence lol, reading that with dyslexia was a complete and total slog

[@bethanychatman9531]

Or just not put so much damn slow-mo in these movies to begin with. Zack Snyder can't get off to his own films without it tho.

[@arthurnevin1963]

I kinda hoped that Cavill’s lip would move like Luke’s lightsaber

[@austinh7539]

I imagined cavill in a long hallway wielding his lip around and the lip extends the length of a lightsaber and slashes down all the bad guys ..... good heavens

[@arthurnevin1963]

@@austinh7539 oh hell yeah, Ben if you’re ever free get on that mate

[@danielclark-hughes692]

The gradual stubble and mullet they went with is way better 😂

[@tompollockjr144]

Mason: "What, you never encountered a magic ax before, you idiot. Take me home." I was dying.

[@flako74]

When does he say this?

[@tompollockjr144]

@@flako74 oh man... Hard to say. I was driving while I was listening to this, so I don't know exactly. Probably between 1/3 and 1/2 way through. In the part where they're talking about Darkseid first coming to Earth.

[@whenallelsfails21]

@@tompollockjr144 driving and podcasting? dispicable

[@tompollockjr144]

@@whenallelsfails21 Good thing no one was killed.

[@titaninsane]

@@flako74 23:27

[@shenk2210]

There are scenes where I was like: "This could've been done shorter" but weirdly, I didn't realize I was already 3 hours in

[@tannerfoley90]

As someone who didn't watch the first one, I enjoyed the length and character depth. But I also treated it like a TV series on a streaming service with the chapters. Probably would be unbearable in the theater.

[@bencarlson4300]

There’s a lot that could’ve been cut out, obviously, but as another person who never saw the Whedon version I really enjoyed most of the 4 hr version. It’s the best Snyder movie I’ve ever seen.

[@nickmandl]

Mera was American in the josstice league. Hearing her British accent can cue you into why they said “stop doing that”

[@amyd6518]

"it's not joker improv fucking hour" James is just mad he's never offered him a reach around

[@robertpetty6630]

I loved the fact that Barry was LATE both times he was really needed

[@Rex-qf7en]

Realtalk the way they set-up his time travel powers is actually really great. He has to run past the speed of light to start reversing time, and run fast enough to turn back the explosion. The imagery of the world reforming around him, its a brilliant moment. Its crazy that Barry is just unlikeable in the Joss cut, but he's actually solid in this version. He comes off more as just awkward and not meant to be a comic relief character. Just a dork.

[@garretthenry2733]

Wait, didn’t Superman immediately fly up to soak up the sun after he put on the black suit? I understood that to be an explicit reference to him trying to recover his strength

[@lorde_spooky]

He Jesus posed for like a second but he does that all the time and he didn't seem any stronger after he did that than before.

[@thehahvokexperience]

@@lorde_spookyHis strength was way more powerful after he absorbed the sun. And he never once Jesus posed before 😂

[@cejannuzi]

@@thehahvokexperience MOS

[@RepublicOfUs]

@@thehahvokexperience "And he never once Jesus posed before."---- Person who watched Superman movies with their eyes closed, 2023.

[@grantk9701]

I loved when John krasinski hinted at mephisto in the larger universe

[@jewsco]

One line of dialogue saying the black suit helps him regenerate his powers faster as it does in the comics makes the black suit work

[@robbieclark7828]

@Mike Hunt I guess he does now

[@jewsco]

@Mike Hunt not saying it makes 100% sense but it is what the comics say

[@aydinbiber7616]

​@Mike Hunt Because Superman isnt always recovering. He's in fact almost never recovering.

[@unclecreed2986]

Where did it come from?

[@jewsco]

@@unclecreed2986 I am assuming his ship he found in MoS up north but again it isn’t explained

[@danw.1250]

"Shirts are plentiful in the wild..." Lines like this are what make you guys some of my favorite channels. Subtle, but hilarious.

[@BranchingTangents]

I assumed J'onn just knew about Bruce's parents because he can read minds 🤷

[@javedfk3997]

The wonder woman theme was so overused, I was getting physically upset by the end of the movie, so tired of hearing it...lol.

[@ochayethenoo]

It was ridiculously hackneyed, lol. Extremely jarring when it would play over something else so suddenly.

[@AndreSilva-cw8jd]

dunno about that i think the harmonizing loud singing voice was overused for sure

[@JeepnHeel]

ooOOOOOOooooaaahhhhh oooooOOOOOOOOaaaaaHHHH ooooOOOaaahhh oooaaahhh

[@Telcontar86]

Every time Wonder Woman does Wonder Woman things. I was hearing it in my head after watching it, and not in a good way. Ugh

[@calebmurphy9406]

Was the Wonder Woman theme even used in the movie? All I remember was insufferable yodeling.

[@mishterkhalid3117]

the knightmare sequence at the end is just Ben Affleck's nightmare that he will have to do more of these movies.

[@Redkurtain]

Haven’t heard that one 10 times yet

[@freewillygoss]

@@Redkurtain I've heard it 9 times

[@PlatinumSperms]

@@freewillygoss I’ve heard this 8 times

[@dbagette]

*drops his Dunkin brekkie as he goes into his house alone*

[@daniellipko710]

I haven’t heard this before

[@AdamWhitehead111]

I got half way through. I was not prepared to waste another two hours of my life on this drek. I don't know if it was better or worse than the original release but as I am not prepared to rewatch either I'll never know. And I'm OK with that.

[@fettfan91]

I call bullshit on anyone who says they’re incapable of sitting in front of a tv for four straight hours.

[@kaidms]

Same. This movie keeps you interested

[@razorednight]

I'll sit and watch the entire run of The Wire and Game of Thrones in one marathon session, so four hours of Justice League is nothing.

[@farhanshameel7810]

Yesss time to listen to Maso and James talk again about a movie I haven’t seen

[@lucasmcarthur4941]

Snyder was not allowed to shoot any new footage for this movie. He shot the Nightmare sequence at the end and the rest was pre-existing footage that was filmed. Anyone thinking that Snyder got to reshoot or 'fix' anything retrospectively, this was not the case.

[@Gustavo-tm9ct]

I watched this a second time with my parents and they enjoyed it we took a break after Part 4 and they really liked despite not being really invested into comic book movies

[@connor6505]

Who else is editing visuals in their head while they're listening to the podcast?

[@SakuraSura]

The jpeg moves around with every stammer and studder

[@titaninsane]

Is it just me or is that Ben's hair ?

[@rodrigocruz5609]

I'd like to see a version where instead of martian manhunter we'd see a green lantern played by the actor michael joseph jackson

[@sulthanfatah7802]

fucking genius ben. idk how you did it but that's absolutely brilliant

[@rakelodakel]

I thought I would hate it, the original cut is genuinely one of the worst movies I've ever seen, and I just couldn't imagine this one being much better. But I kinda ended up liking it.

[@chancellorpalpatine4035]

I was genuinely disappointed that it wasn’t so much worse.

[@lankytwt]

@@chancellorpalpatine4035 so you just wanted it to be bad?

[@RepublicOfUs]

@@lankytwt What else would you expect from Palpatine?

[@redshark92]

Yeah, it was better than I thought it was going to be. Ultimately still pretty flawed and I think it could have been improved more with a tighter hand in editing. Shaving off a full-hour off the run-time should be possible while still keeping the things that were improved.

[@AztecUnshaven]

@@redshark92 I figure 3hrs, 30mins would be the sweet spot.

[@TabalugaDragon]

I disagree about the Joker scene, I think it was awesome, unlike his crappy appearance in Suicide squad.

[@MonkeMane]

One thing i didn’t understand is how steppenwolf and darkseid didn’t know earth was planet they were looking for. How many planets did they just leave motherboxes at without fusing them. Wouldn’t that be a dead giveaway?

[@ironbob7346]

superman's beard growing throughout the video is pure Zach Snyder visual quality cinematic storytelling edit: and mullet. LaYeRs

[@dieseltyme]

I didn't check my phone at all in this movie. I love that it's a $300 million student film featuring billion dollar properties and no commercial viability. I wish more studios would sink a fortune into unbridled auturist vision.

[@archmage7813]

This isn't an aurturist's vision, it's a giant amateur morons vision. He is a bad filmmaker who has no understanding of story or character.

[@neontime8507]

@@archmage7813 you can hardly call him an amateur. but you're welcome to believe he's a moron if u like

[@archmage7813]

@@neontime8507 oh, I don't believe anything. My belief has nothing to do with it. Reality doesn't care what you and I believe, reality is reality. There are hundreds of amateur mistakes in his movies. Basic story is completely lost on him. His characterd do things because he thinks it will look cool or because he wants them to, not because the characters would it. Amateur hour. But simple people like his trash so he makes money.

[@neontime8507]

Sean Hanlin can u just not default to condescension? There literally is not a person that doesn’t know reality is reality, and I’m sure you know that movies don’t have to conform to just one kind of experience. Some movies can be built to just be cool thrill rides in spite of whatever qualities that might make other movies great under a critical lens. Every movie in this genre that’s come out in the past ten years save for joker and Logan have done exactly that as well, so no reason to bag on this movie for being like the 30+ other comic book movies in that regard and not being more like those two when its exactly what it was meant to be. it certainly didn’t do what it was intended to do in amateur fashion

[@archmage7813]

@@neontime8507 again not condescension, just truth. Did you seriously just make the claim that this is just like all the other comic book movies that have come out ?!?!?!?!?!?! You apparently really have no understanding of movies. Clearly you are the type of person who doesn't mind crap and bad movies as your entertainment. To each his own I guess.

[@JacobRavenglass]

20:30 Omg, if it was Starro that visited Bruce at the end, growling at him just like James' impression of Starro. It's either comedic gold or some weird opportunity to set up the villain of the next movie.

[@gyuzen]

Personally i appreciate greatly you guys doing a video as well, as a hearing impaired person I have difficult following podcasts sometimes, KZbin videos and their subtitles are much more relaxing to follow

[@Indonesianfolknigeltufnel]

He flies directly towards the sun after picking the black suit, it absorbs more radiation than the regular one, idk maybe he wanted a power up

[@ThePettiestOfficer_Juan117]

The biggest tragedy of this film was no “booya” from Cyborg.

[@Jokercard111]

You'd think you'd save that for teen titans, but yea would've been cool

[@jakewiththecake2915]

I watched this with my parents at around midnight and they didn’t fall asleep I watched the joss cut with my parents at like 8 and they fell asleep if that doesn’t tell you about the quality I don’t know what will.

[@TheSweetestCurse]

That surprising I found snyder's version a snoozer

[@R0B1NG5]

If it was my parents that would make me think the Joss cut is better. They have shit taste in movies.

[@jakewiththecake2915]

@@TheSweetestCurse the first time I watched it I watched it in one sitting and didn’t even check my phone but on the second viewing it was really boring at the beginning.

[@unclecreed2986]

I put on the Snydercut for the family and after 15 mins they went outside to play.

[@728GT]

Scientific test. I like

[@izodblackcrime]

1 hour review at 5 am? I’ll sleep when I’m dead

[@curranfrank2854]

I will readily say I haven't seen either versions of this movie, but from what I know about this I have no clue how a 4 hour version of this movie got so much praise. Lord of the Rings extended editions are the same length, and they're adapting a fantasy epic, and I still think they're kind of long. This movie cannot possibly warrant a LOTR extended edition runtime, at least from what I know of it

[@Jokester954]

Hey… I’m that one person who would never listen to the podcast but loves the YT video. 😝

[@charlesgrimmer6486]

I feel like I've said this before, but the cyborg not being able to control his automatic defenses randomly is stupid.

[@chuck1313]

I mean. he wasn’t proper trained and his dad warned him that it’s easy to do stuff. The hard thing is not doing it.

[@kmshana94]

Controlling something thats automatic??? Isnt that like a contradiction. Especially since Cy is made from the motherbox that is literally afraid of Supes. It would want to attack it if it felt threatened.

[@charlesgrimmer6486]

@@kmshana94 then why didn't he try to kill supes again when he saw him next? To me its just a lazy excuse to create conflict.

[@kmshana94]

@@charlesgrimmer6486 because supes wasnt a threat???? Supes was literally scanning them and cy's system saw that as intent to harm. Then the next time he sees supes its literally to save his life from stepenwolf, why would his system see him as a threat at that point

[@bittertruth3479]

@@charlesgrimmer6486 must be a butthurt mcu fan.. com'on man we know how illogical and cringe... Marvel craps are

[@shayZero]

I JUST watched your original JL review. Maddness timing

[@victorhale]

36:54 my main gripes with this are the following: 1. He was already about to exit the chamber. 2. Once steppenwolf came he had to activate the machine (he ain’t no flash, and his goal was to super heat the motherbox so that thermal scanners would be able to see it anywhere aka BRUCE’S 6 SATELLITES). 3. Once cyborg arrived he had already triggered the machine, once steppenwolf came in he sealed himself in the room so that it would take a bit longer to reach him. 4. From a narrative standpoint the idea was for his sacrifice to not only motivate cyborg and the the team into fighting, but also to ensure that logically speaking batman and others would be able to find the dudes base, cuz remember batman wasn’t able to locate it without stones’ help. 5. When it comes to cyborgs dad, they already foreshadowed this by having Ryan Choi (The Atom), show him a part of zod’s ship absorbing and dissipating the energy from their hottest lasers. Whether or not you thought it was pointless is irrelevant from that point.

[@victorhale]

39:31 my only gripe with that statement is that the lois scenes are dictating that shes visited the grave several times and the one where superman appears was her “After this I am so moving on.” *not even 2 seconds later* moment

[@wavepadi501]

I i have to disagree with nick on this. Snyder cut was great

[@steverogers7601]

its perfectly fine to like and enjoy a bad movie or a not-good movie. it gets weird when folks call an obviously not-good movie a "great movie"

[@Dr._Mantis_Toboggan_Md.]

And I disagree with you, I think it was extremely mediocre.

[@michaelthatoker7125]

@@steverogers7601 The movie was good lmao it’s fine to not like a good movie, but it gets weird when someone calls an obviously good movie NOT good . I could literally list so many positives for this movie. Most of the negatives will be subjective like “too much slow-mo” which I enjoyed on my large tv screen with the insane ass detail.

[@steverogers7601]

@@michaelthatoker7125 lmao there’s absolutely no helping this guy.

[@Pleasing_view]

@@michaelthatoker7125 thank you. People are just hating for no reason

[@lukeferraro01]

I didn’t think there was a single thing better in the 2017 version. All the best parts of the 2017 version were the ones that Whedon didn’t touch

[@thewerewolff7248]

I’d argue that the Whedon one establishes the world post superman death better. I never really got a proper sense of what the world was like without superman in this one.

[@sombramemer1230]

Cyborg not being experienced allows the Superman fight to seem a lot more natural. Like why does the Snyder one not turn off his defense program.

[@deathhockey19]

NGL I LOVED the Snyder Cut, I was so disappointed with the 2017 version. And even though it was really long, I still loved it.

[@dontberash]

I can't believe I watched a one hour review to a 4 hour recut to a 2 hour movie I saw in 2017...I'm wasting my life but I regret nothing

[@magnumcornetto]

The black suit is 100% fanservice pandering. It was shot as the regular blue/red/yellow suit, but repainted digitally for the ZSJL. Even the costume designer that worked with Snyder, Michael Wilkinson, went on record to say that while they considered maybe using the black suit suit, Snyder, for some reason, felt like the black suit didn't fit the tone of the movie they were making, because a "positive, upbeat image of Superman was what was needed". People that think this 4-hour madness is the movie that would've been released in 2017 are way off.

[@brynly1339]

Zack Snyder deserves so much recognition for the work he put in though. No matter if the movie has flaws or not, it was one hell of an achievement.

[@CrossOutBryce]

So I rewatched the 2017 Mera scene and they had Amber Heard redub it without an accent. You can see her mouth doesn't match completely and they cut away from her a lot.

[@knightfallprotocol]

28:17 maybe THAT'S why people like the new Steppenwolf so much, he just looks adorable.🤣🤣🤣🤣

[@stephenrodriguez8307]

I liked the movie. It dragged at points but I'd rather it drag then get the corny sparknotes version we got in 2017

[@mithyka109]

#ReleaseTheMasoCut which starts 3 hours 5 minutes in and will ultimately save me three hours so I can probably move...away from all these slowmos! GOT ‘EM

[@hiimchrisj]

I thought it was better just because a lot of aspects of the plot and a lot of characterization was much better realized and there were less really stupid comedy beats. But in the grand scheme of things, it's beat for beat the same movie with the same plot up until the final battle. So if you didn't like the original, and the minutia of the plot doesn't matter to you, then despite what all the really hardcore fans want to believe, it might as well be the same movie. And it's fair for people to judge it as such. But again, I definitely think it's better and I personally enjoyed it. ...Aside from the epilogue and the inclusion of Martian Manhunter. Whether or not Martian Manhunter being Martha Kent was planned from the start is irrelevant because it still feels tacked on and undercuts the emotional beats of that previous scene. That and him showing up at the end just raises more questions than his inclusion is even worth. I can go either way on Jared Leto's Joker and I get that Zack did that because he felt like it would be a massive missed opportunity if Batman and Joker never meet in this universe but in terms of how it affects the overall structure of the movie, I don't think it works at all. Same with Lex and Deathstroke.

[@mr.moviemafia]

Snyder DID want to put in a green lantern, the actor cast as John Stewart has been very vocal about in on social media with Ray Fisher

[@ironclock]

Who

[@beansfebreeze]

So much of this movie was boring. Just a ridiculous amount of nothing interesting. That climax was sick though

[@kal-elofkrypton252]

It was sick because of that build. Those 20 minutes of pure comicbook footage had weight.

[@TheUltimateWriterNZ]

@@kal-elofkrypton252 it was sick in spite of that build.

[@kal-elofkrypton252]

@@TheUltimateWriterNZ It might be. I do wonder. Could Zack have presented a 2hr version of this movie back in 2017. I think so. WB are stoopid!

[@kal-elofkrypton252]

@Black Noir And it probably would've done very well!

[@IamBrixTM]

Love Mason having NONE of the hype surrounding a film that was so bad the first time, the studios gave him a second chance. Also love James just being innocent and just appreciating little things, and entertaining some positivity. "James do you have any criticisms of this movie that you're in love with... Your favorite movie." LMAO. Hope James isn't just being extra nice to Snyder fans.

[@InvertedFreeSolo]

From watching pretty much every Caravan of Garbage, I've come to the conclusion Mason has the oddest movie opinions I've ever come across. He really likes the sequel to Alien Vs. Predator, which is one of the worst movies I've ever had the misfortune to come across, but dislikes some absolutely classic, beloved movies. At least James' opinions are pretty consistent.

[@AceOfSevens]

I think it becomes clear later in the scene that Bruce knows who Aquaman is & is just trying to get a reaction.

[@croneycousteau]

Having never had interest in the original justice league and going into the Snyder cut fresh, I found it be a surprising enjoyable experience. Even with the pace, which they seem to discuss a fair bit here. I think with the amount of characters, character arcs, backstories, relationships, and set pieces, the 4 hours seems warranted to me. I also oddly liked the more useless moment of the snyder cut, like the townspeople singing about aqua man, or lanes’ memorial visit schedule, or the dream out footage showing her moving through grieve. I think scenes like this are important to add a level of emotional weight to the film, and also ground what is otherwise a typically over the top super hero film. I also felt like a lot of of the extended scenes involved father/son relationships, e.g Barry and his father, Bruce and feeling that his parents thought they would be proud, cyborg and his father leaving a message he hears in the end all pointed to a very personal motif that I think Snyder was moving through after the death of his own daughter and it all felt much more tangible, true, and emotional for me. Also just started to watch the whedon cut and so far it just feels like it’s on steroids, the pacing is very odd, which I think make the stakes feel less real, and my emotional investment for the characters so far isn’t really there. I’m a way, I feel that we needed the time to get to know all the characters to really care about the decisions that they make in this film. ...but idk, maybe cut some of the barista latte preps shots...

[@michaelclarke3485]

I am that one person who wanted to listen to that KZbin video and listen to two madmen. Yes!

[@robinnadjiZ]

I was haply when I heard James like this movie. But it didn’t seem like james got much of a chance to say why without Mason interrupting a lot. That sucks I was looking forward to hearing what he had to say. 😐

[@MrVad3r]

same i couldnt go past 5 mins of this video. suprised they made such a long video on a movie he clearly didnt wanna watch.

[@tak3aw4y6]

@@MrVad3r it’s from their podcast

[@andrewcurtis2337]

I listened to this instead of ever watching either version of the Justice League. Thank you!

[@hvitekristesdod]

How would WW have known about the arrow without being in front of a tv? How did they do this before TV was a thing?

[@ziljin]

Seems like overwhelmingly positive reception for Snyder cut

[@gf1006]

I put this on in the background while doing some spreadsheets, I clicked back about 15 minutes after putting it in the background and Superman had a beard

[@H.Tee11]

No mention of the Mario jumping sound whenever Stepphenwolf teleported?

[@sharlesdaviskendy2391]

22:50 The thing about dropping it in the ocean is that it didn’t even kill Parademons! Like, they fought Parademons before... They should know what works.

[@alexduran1967]

Hell yes Zack Snyder's Justice League is a success. A success for the director's vision, for character development, for telling a coherent story, for freedom in filmmaking. Hopefully more studios will have faith in the people they hire.

[@gsager2008]

Yeah, unfortunately just putting every bit of film onto the screen is not the way to make a movie. And this 4 hour movie is still incoherent. Friends who did not see the original were lost. This is better than the original version but it is not a good movie. Zach Snyder is obsessed with slow mo and does not understand superheroes.

[@alexduran1967]

​@@gsager2008 Most would disagree with you. Even RLM who've been super critical of Snyder praised the film. I had many issues with Man of Steel and BvS, but was pleasantly surprised with the amount of character development here. The add on scenes at the end of the film should have been mid and post credit, but aside from that, it was fine. And as far as slow motion, that's part of Snyder's style. Knowing he does this and knowing you don't like it, not sure why you'd watch this. I don't like torture porn, so don't watch Eli Roth films. The Snyder cut isn't the greatest film ever, but it's good.

[@gsager2008]

@@alexduran1967 lol most would disagree. Did you take a poll of the world? Anyway, if you think it is a good or great movie, good for you. If you think the overuse of slow mo is fine because it is his style, great. If you enjoy the weird music and overly long scenes that do nothing for the plot or character development (2 min of screen time to fire an arrow), awesome. To me all of these things make for a mediocre movie. It is not really bad, but for 400 million dollars, a chancebto have seen what the first did wrong and 4 hours of movie, I expect more.

[@alexduran1967]

@@gsager2008 Uh, reaction has been pretty positive, there's no real arguing that. Critic score on RT is at 73%, audience score is 95%. These are the metrics we have. Many critics who usually dislike Snyder liked the film. It's fair to say many more people liked it than not. His style's not your thing, fair. Doesn't mean it's a bad film, and this is coming from someone who had real problems with his last two DC films.

[@gsager2008]

@@alexduran1967 my problem is that many are comparing it to the previous version. It is better than the previous version. That does not make it good. How many people do you think will bother to watch this 4 hour movie again? It is a long movie with a lot of wastes scenes that could easily be cut as they do nothing for character or plot. If this was cut down to 2 hours 30, 2 hours 45, getting rid of a lot of those scenes and taking the time to improve some of the effects, then yeah, I would call it good. Still not great but good. As it is, well, how many scenes do we need of aquaman taking his shirt off while random people sing?

[@supremeguykai]

It's because of you that I was so irrationally freaking out when Cyborg said "You should probably move". I very nearly chocked on my rice cakes, and friend sitting next to me thought I was having an asthma attack.

[@linkdk59]

I watched the film, I listened to the podcast. And now I am listening to the review again in this shorter cut!

[@KenjiTokumura]

About the black suit. It does have narrative sense cause black absorbs more light which Superman utilizes to capture more power from the sun, hence the bathe in the sun scene after he revived.

[@uosdwiSrdewoH]

I know using old timey weapons is their thing but it's a bit strange that even after they were attacked with guns in Wonder Woman the Amazons didn't create anything slightly more useful in the 100 years between WW1 and when Steppenwolf attacked. That's just poor planning.

[@TheWinstonSlip]

I’m not sure what they would do but that bothered me too.

[@Flipitmixit]

The woman singing at Aquaman was one of the most awkward and unneeded scenes Ive ever seen, I still hate the way Barry runs and why do we have to hear Wonder Womans damn soundtrack everytime she takes a breath

[@AztecUnshaven]

(Spoiler) man That barry scene when he reverses time at the end was genuinely awesome though... saves the entire league... the music that plays... and Barry's heartfelt words to his father... really amazing scene in my opinion.

[@Flipitmixit]

@@AztecUnshaven Still hates how we runs but YES, that was one of the best parts of the movie and I cant believe we didnt get that in the original at all

[@STRANGEANATOMYBAND]

The inclusion of Cyborg’s entire character arc alone makes watching this worth it. Just because studio heads ruined the movie and spoiled the story for you doesn’t make this (the one legitimate cut) a bad movie. If anything, it’s a testament to how good it is that people are enjoying it so much DESPITE the fact that the studio made their best effort to RUIN it for audiences. But I do agree that Jared Leto is awful, and that scene is awful. Hopefully if there is a sequel Batman makes good on his promise “to fucking kill” him within the first 5 minutes.

[@amosdodson4022]

There was a teaser way before the movie came out on instagram with the black suite and S close up. I remember the teaser. It was always suppose to be there. You are wrong sir!

[@doelroarpa3489]

So why is he filmed on set in red and blue? Becuase the black suit was meant to be a cameo in the scene where Clark goes to collect his suit. You can see this scene on the 2017 blu ray. Snyder however decided to retroactively change his film to including meaningless fan bait that his stans can eat up, in spite of it being devoid of narrative substance

[@NOAHVISION05]

I was confused then realised his hear and beard were growing

[@villafanmart]

you two were defiantly not on the same page with this one XD

[@Thee_Deputy]

Mason is the sane one in this conversation. Agreed with him 100%.

[@MonkeMane]

I really liked it. I never saw the original so i think that helped my perception of it

[@MSgt_0699]

Number 1 film on HBO Max in 2021. NAFCA declared in February 2022 that Zack Snyder's Justice League was the best streaming movie of 2021. Declared a global phenomenon. Appears at the top of the list on NETFLIX in foreign countries. Clearly a success and a great capper to the trilogy. Superman is fully developed from where he began as just a powered Clark Kent without purpose. Batman's rage over Robin's death and Metropolis wreckage is under control. Justice League members all given their intended character stories. Had WB not panicked after MoS, we would have the complete 5-movie story arc by now. ...and the black suit was always Snyder's idea for two reasons. 1) As was provided in the video, it's established in the comic books after Doomsday killed him. It's a suit that absorbs the sun better so that he can heal faster. 2) It is also exactly what Krytponians wore on Krypton, as seen in MoS. Dur. It shows that Clark Kent has embraced Kal-El, as well as his purpose as Earth's guardian.

[@blipblop9094]

steppenwolf is not with darkseid when he invaded earth, he didn't forget about the anti-life. steppenwolf just didn't know the details of the world with the ani-life, and darkseid didn't know where steppen is. so after steppen said that the anti-life is there he got hyped lol.

[@tylerbrown5526]

If Barry isn't at the crime lab yet...how'd he get his powers?

[@obmarte3803]

Good fucking point.

[@doomstadt2371]

I knew Flash was going to time travel because he saved a woman from the 1950's from getting killed by a truck in 2021.

[@Hislopa]

Best movie I've watched in years

[@theBearJewel]

The hair, the color change, the cape... solid work, Ben 👌🏾

[@waxilliamladrian]

I still go back and listen to this nonsense. And I'm still annoyed by Maso being SO skeptical, like dude we have known for years about almost all of these details via storyboards and they were not changed in response to Josstice League my guy. You a frustrating dude, Maso!

[@mullaoslo]

My favorite part of the flash at the end the first time I saw it was for a few seconds... Darkseid won.. And then he had to watch from the portal as flash recreated the world.. Makes the stand off moment at the very end even more epic since he know with these guys even if he wins.. He might not win

[@joaquinbowen7122]

bro the aquaman village song was the best part of the movie, and the Joker scene was amazing and well written.

[@alwyzbandit7291]

What is being said at 6:48 ? CC says "Oh I forgot about one or many four" Kinda sounds like Wonder Woman 84 but still unsure

[@LagunaLeonhart]

You guys forgot that extra pointless 10 seconds after Batman says "I brought you together" as he closes the door to his Batwing and then casually walks up the stairs.... What about that awkward sweater sniffing woman at the start??

[@collinadams-henderson6089]

The only one of the reshoots that I actually liked was the scene when Vader slaughters all the rebels in the corridor. Oh wait, that was rogue one.

[@mwhitcher]

I've seen that Cyborg scene with the money a few times now and I just keep hearing "He make-a the money bigger!"

[@schrodingershat409]

you should do one of your famous awesome spoiler free reviews

[@ginagetscreative]

It wasn't good. It wasn't better. It was excessive, poorly paced, and pretentious. I agree with Mason on some points. Mason makes a good point: I'm guessing that Snyder revised based on fan reaction.