WATCH LIVE: ‘Take Care of Maya’ Trial - Kowalski v. Johns Hopkins All Children’s Hospital - Day 29

[@joannetaylor8778]

Yet again the defence has not produced documents that the Judge has asked for. How do they keep getting away with it?

[@annetterodgerson5088]

Is this the documents the plaintiff was asking for for proof about the evaluations? The plaintiffs have the one from 2019 I think, and that back dated back to 2015?

[@lisanevins3605]

What document is that.

[@ninamartinez5171]

Let's see JHH 53 Lawsuits since 2012 The original court order never said Maya's mother wasn't allowed supervised visitations? This Judge wants them all out of his court room. Oh my goodness gracious JHH is certainly in hot water and it's a Children's hospital ? Please let that sink in for a few minutes 😢 oh my goodness gracious. 😢

[@Watching4]

@@ninamartinez5171yes I’d find for plaintiffs no doubt about it and they’d get more from me it’s such a crime EVIL PEOPLE

[@Watching4]

Lack of any thing caring which is what a hospital does isn’t it??

[@bannontrenton9522]

When hunter said I buried this a long time ago. shows how decietful the defence is. Also the review they cannot seem to find of beedy. They 100% have that i think just hurts their case. Its shady lawyering. I'm glad they got caught out. Makes you wonder what else hasn't been turned over?? Judge Carrol is great for pushing them to give more information. The lady lawyer keeps talking over him and whitney. Very unprofessional. She sat there trying to Gaslight him the whole time. Also the call from beedy to beata is the exact same voice as on the call with maya and her mum. i hope they play both tapes to them side by side. The lady that said was her voice is commiting perjury and its clear as day.

[@ElleR3416]

100% agree!!!!!

[@JoAnnToledo]

mountains out of molehills. It was buried from his brain, ie recollection. I have read that the finding was sealed. Bedy performance evaluations are the last gasp of the plantiffs. She wasn't a nurse and did not provide medical care.

[@marybryner5562]

Absolutely right on!

[@LatinaLatina1011]

I can’t stand Ms croelle omg all she does it interrupt

[@mandi4794]

They have to be shady when they have no case

[@taniatigerashby5452]

Federal inspectors identified widespread problems and declared the hospital had put patients in “immediate jeopardy” of harm. The hospital signed a binding 12-month agreement with the government to avoid being cut off from public funding. Patient safety.... Jhatch widespread systemic and agrecious issues 😢

[@NrsLisa]

Said by the biased journalist… I don’t have an opinion until I see the official document

[@goose7574]

​@@NrsLisa The document was attached, so it wasn't just some biased article. It had over 50 pages of ACTUAL facts attached to it.

[@bannontrenton9522]

that is in the document. a simple google search would show you the document@@NrsLisa

[@ElleR3416]

@@NrsLisaYou keep commenting on this and have no clue what you’re talking about. Go educate yourself first because you are 100% wrong!

[@JoAnnToledo]

@@ElleR3416 why didn't Anderson bring it in for evidence if it is out there for public consumption? Isn't that called discovery in the legal world? Why wait for his witness to bring it up at the 11th hour?

[@Watching4]

I believe the Judge is an awesome judge and is doing a great job handling this problem for all problems with this crazy Hospital

[@JoAnnToledo]

Johns Hopkins Hospitals are world reknown. Why did family take her there so often? Hospitals in Sarasota and Tampa closer to their home in Venice.

[@MadisonsFriend184]

@@JoAnnToledobeatas K dealer wouldn’t supply and JHACH don’t deal or is that too cryptic? All the the other hospitals don’t deal and suspected she had issues - no different to the street imo.

[@Watching4]

@@JoAnnToledo they were nearest to it at that time I believe they were in a motel

[@MadisonsFriend184]

if it wasn’t JHACH, another hospital would have been caught up in this diabolical trial

[@modnius8583]

Why? Because their child needed specialized care. Just because a hospital has been bought by a brand with a certain reputation does not mean that each hospital will live up to it.

[@MJT-g7y]

Wow ~ hospital attorneys really don’t want to find the documents! Dive deep! Like the judge said to

[@stevemitz4740]

Bosting of JH's superb record, opened the door, the good judge wont close it, the jury gets to see the systemic news!

[@stacyhunt4783]

@@stevemitz4740 and you know what he shouldn’t. The jury has a right to know that their experts got on the stand and said everything‘s great. We got a blessing there’s no problems we’re doing great we’ve always done great you are to the jury. We’ve always done great and it’s insane that they had someone why they knew he was lying up there and they tried to say the heart foundation. I’m so sick of their lies. Slide to the Austrian gotten caught so many times these questions are not good for the defense and why should a juror be punished and kicked off the jury because of a question that was asked because they dared to ask a question which they’re supposed to be able to do so.

[@MadisonsFriend184]

@@stacyhunt4783I think they refer to it as a compromised juror. 200M at stake, what don’t you get?

[@ldolan4051]

Judge's thinking is so spot on. He's a great person to hold that title

[@tammypadilla9075]

I love this judge. He’s funny and amazing at what he does! We need more like him.

[@conservativefascist1897]

He is a total disaster! Sidebar...sidebar...sidebar...

[@jackienewyork9332]

I believe that any parent would have been overwhelmed and stressed out from their child being kept away for an indefinite time. And not even a hug allowed by court. SAD. .she was in my opinion giving up and loosing her child and the hospital started the downward spiral of her action ,making her feel insignificant and etc..as a mother

[@tenurednurseinoh8569]

More likely, she realized she was at risk of losing her nursing license and family as the investigation proceeded. I truly believe she had MBP.

[@tenurednurseinoh8569]

More likely, she realized she was at risk of losing her nursing license and family as the investigation proceeded. I truly believe she had MBP.

[@LB13394]

I feel like the judge has been rushing both sides for the last week. I mean like “we don’t have time for that” rushing a lot. I feel like it will end up making an appeal easier for either side.

[@jaydf2180]

They don’t have a lot of time though, he has another case after this

[@learningtogetherhomeschool7208]

If he had reigned in Anderson there would be no need to rush.

[@Estimator00]

I agree. However, he has been dealing with this case for years. Once it reaches the appeals court he is done or so he hopes. He will be retired by the time it comes back around.

[@reynaolvera7526]

Trials have time limits and lawyers have to be wise about how they use it. Judges have other cases to tend too, can’t have trials last months.

[@Estimator00]

@@reynaolvera7526 yes, especially a civil trial. and on both sides there was a lot of repetition in testimony

[@lindadixon3876]

3:16 The newspaper started an investigation because of reports of so many babies dying following heart surgery. This got the attention of the federal agency that reimburses the hospital for medicaid/medicare. They investigated and determined there were hospital wide issues resulting in the IJ grade. The hospital did not self report . The report is public, the hospital surely has it and the newspaper published it.

[@jackiemk32]

Nope.

[@supme7558]

3:16 is the end

[@stevemitz4740]

@@jackiemk32 Yep JHACH got cough lying to the jury! Not mentioning the excessive heart deaths! P. S. I believe the all the mass amounts of toxic immune system disrupting, Aluminum Mercury Squalene laced, jabs Maya got, caused most all her malady's! [as increasing statics show] (Warning, just considering that, you may get what Beata got, for challenging the quacks!) i.e. Ridicule!

[@bees5461]

Did you try googling the address of the JH Heart and Vascular Institute and the JH All Children's Hospital? They are not in the same location, do not have the same doctors, nurses, and other staff. One has nothing to do with the other except owned by the same company.

[@jovicrazed]

Not entirely accurate. The newspaper published the follow up report, as the witness testified to yesterday. Yesterday's witness has never seen the original report with the IJ finding as the hospital has it sealed, which he also testified to yesterday. On top of that, Hunter hammered the witness several times on cross yesterday that he had never seen the report, which Hunter would know as he knows that the report had been sealed. The judge then ordered that the original report and everything even remotely related to it be turned over the plaintiff.

[@roslyncrider3882]

This case has gone off the rails in soo many directions it's mind boggling! I think the jury will most likely find in favor of Maya's family .

[@JoAnnToledo]

Probable and then the appeals will begin. It could be years before they see any money.

[@ninamartinez5171]

​@@JoAnnToledoJHH 53 Lawsuits since 2012 it will be forever 😢

[@marybryner5562]

🙏🏻🤞🏻👍🏻🙏🏻

[@ninamartinez5171]

@@marybryner5562 Amen

[@MadisonsFriend184]

@@marybryner5562seems you are praying for a miracle to happen 😜

[@kimyoung2447]

@JC If you're reading this, I, along with many other people, have been in here every day. I do have a life outside of this. I don't sleep, eat, and breathe this case. I am on vacation, and this is how I choose to spend my weekdays. So you're comment, was fool hearted. Nonsensical.

[@lisanevins3605]

I enjoy watching. I'm Canadian I like law. I like watching the lawyers present their cases.

[@kimyoung2447]

@lisanevins3605 I do, too. But I don't like some of the lunacy in chats. There's a lot of gas lighters.

[@stevemitz4740]

@@kimyoung2447 Should all those who disagree, with the 5 billion in fruad fines i.e. big pharma medicine, [as Beata did] be gas lit-up with a Munchausen jacket ? i.e. just like all the doctors for prescribing real "safe & effective" ivermectin for coved?

[@charlenehornbaker-z3l]

The female defense attorney is absolutely annoying IMO

[@gusdagoosesmom4902]

And I find Plaintiff's attorney with the glasses the main guy, absolutely the rudest man I have ever seen.

[@Sisflowflow]

Don’t watch then. Anderson seems far worse

[@JoAnnToledo]

why? because she appears to be on top of her game?

[@jjmfour2049]

I pray the Kowalski family gets justice, and every grief service they could possibly need paid for by the state. I doubt they'd even trust grief services after what they went through though.

[@JoAnnToledo]

they need to pay off the ketamine bill.

[@carebear20095]

This is the judge that was in the Gabby Petito trial.

[@janewalker6051]

No Jo An,we don’t wish we did. I’m from the U.K. we are far too soft here on stuff like this. I feel so sorry for that family. Have a great day x

[@BeHappy-yh5or]

🌼🌼🌼🌼 spreading good vibes here friends. When was the last time you read a good book or went for a walk in the woods? It’s medicine for the soul. Be present, give yourself only to what matters. Have a happy day 😊

[@chiccavaquita]

@JEFFQUICKLE9I can’t believe you even responded 😂

[@candiseschwalm8851]

Nobody in this chat understands hospitals and their physicians. The role they play in false reporting. It’s a crime and they are never held accountable.

[@jlob5296]

I don’t think it’s about the reporting. I think the problem in this case was the colluding between the reporters and investigators

[@MadisonsFriend184]

@@jlob5296maybe so but what we do see is the collusion between the kowalskis and Mr Anderson? A lie could be worth 200M

[@sleepi_st4rz]

Exactly!!

[@sleepi_st4rz]

​@@jlob5296 false reporting is a huge problem too. But ur right about the collusion. The whole thing from start to finish just shows the entirety of where they were coming from and it wasn't for Maya. That's for sure.

[@cathy1672]

No matter how the jury votes, this case will be appealed higher up by the loosing party, it probably will be another 5 years before anyone sees any money or it gets another jury or gets further appealed. The cilvil lawsuit system is absolutely insane.

[@jlob5296]

That’s the saddest part. When it’s all said and done, Maya’s family will need all the money they get to cover these legal fees and the impact on them will be worth every penny. But sometimes someone Hass to really speak up and I think Anderson said at the beginning that he was aware this is the only way to get their attention. If an entity only cares about money, then money will get their attention. The Kowalski see more motivated by the injustice than financial gain.

[@Justsomegirl8]

Such a good point.

[@tenurednurseinoh8569]

If the plaintiffs lose, they will most likely take a settlement far below what they are asking for.

[@tenurednurseinoh8569]

If the plaintiffs lose, they will most likely take a settlement far below what they are asking for.

[@crystalgail5925]

Just want this case to end now.

[@MadisonsFriend184]

Best comment of the day - me too 😂

[@bannontrenton9522]

i can't with the lady lawyer interrupting and cutting of the judge all the time.

[@deb-77d]

I know. I wish the judge would put her in her place.

[@misswildlife7905]

The Judge should be commended as this has been in mitigation for years before it ever went to trial. The Defendants could have settled it there, so I am sure the Plaintiffs saw it as just a slap on the wrist and decided taking it to trial was best. This is IMHO

[@bees5461]

This same judge is the one who delayed the trial. He's been assigned to the case for years. It was delayed for perfectly appropriate legal reasons. There was nothing nefarious against the family happening on those delays, which this judge oversaw with the same competency he's mostly handling this trial.

[@Estimator00]

@@bees5461 That's right. He is trying his best to prevent the verdict being overturned on appeal. I do believe no matter what it will be tied up in court for years to come. There will be a verdict next week but there won't be an end.

[@bees5461]

@@Estimator00 that is most likely true. The defense has already taken two "appellate proffers" which means if the plaintiff gets a verdict in their favor those proffers go along with all the trial testimony for the appellate court to consider. Those had to do with defense being cut off at the knees, preventing them to present the evidence of WHY the MBP suspicion was perfectly reasonable for them to have. They were not allowed to present that to the jury, which they believe could make a difference in their case. Will be interesting to see what happens.

[@NrsLisa]

@@bees5461not true according to lawyer you know on YT… he said if attorneys are good, both sides should always do proffers for appellate reasons because the verdict is unknown so to be the best attorney to your client, proffers on both sides should always always be done

[@Ghost_Biscuit]

Hospitals always settle, even if they are in the right, they always settle. It was the family that would not take the settlement and wanted their day in court. This isn’t even about money for either side, this is about a hospital’s reputation that has probably gone downhill since the trial started and a family that wants justice for how Maya was treated by incompetent hospital staff. Yes, money will help with Maya’s condition going forward and that would just be icing on the cake.

[@kellywoodberry6453]

The hospital and all its staff need to be held accountable what they done to this family is despicable

[@midnightrun2764]

Apparently, this family, hasn’t been the only ones hard done by this hospital. There seem to have been a plethora of problems w them! 🤷🏻‍♀️

[@pamdsp47]

If JHACH never intended for the joint commission report to come in why didn’t they curb their questions to witness Anderson or rather not give him only favorable excerpts?

[@armstrong2388]

Shapiro really screwed up! Last night I went back and listened to witness Anderson’s direct and cross, then listened to the rebuttal with Dr. Cochran from yesterday, then read the public reports and news articles - now todays stern directive from the judge - the hospital knows they’re toast. So many lies concerning the reports.

[@cindyliao2250]

Good question. Maybe the hospital could sue for legal malpractice.

[@stevemitz4740]

It's what you get when you testify to a jury, "JHACH hospital is approved & top rated" opening the door to cross exam! i.e. "Is that considering JHACH kills more chrildern than most other real hospitals?"

[@ElleR3416]

When you lie more times then telling the truth, you will always get tripped up somewhere by somebody!!! 🤷‍♀️

[@JoAnnToledo]

ummm.....because it wasn't relevant during the time that Maya was sheltered?

[@llhannah9297]

Is addressing the IJ to avoid mistrial? I really wanna see a verdict in this case. Sounds like they've got a great jury and I can't wait to see what they come up with.

[@JoAnnToledo]

one of the jurors may be kicked off for apparent bias. Can't wait to see how that goes.

[@jeffreyfrerichs1078]

The unethical defense has now been exposed by their attempt to cover up and withhold a damaging JCAHO and CMS report from an accreditation survey. A defense witness stated that the hospital had glowing surveys to the jury. The judge has now demanded all of the relevant documents be produced by Monday morning. Defense should be disciplined by the FL bar.

[@marybryner5562]

Yes, absolutely they should be disciplined and I’m sure Anderson will see to that!

[@MadisonsFriend184]

Jack testified that maya was ‘100% symptom free’ for over 3 years. She looked stunning in her homecoming and Halloween photos but her crps and ptsd only flared up in the courtroom. Cuts both ways.

[@jeffreyfrerichs1078]

Your ZERO IQ never bothered you???@@MadisonsFriend184

[@Sisflowflow]

Hoping jury follows the law and not decide based on emotions like the Netflix crowd. Clearly, the mother should have been reported. I certainly would have found her behavior most dangerous and suspect and would have reported her.

[@Samianne92]

It's not just about the reporting. There's a lot more to this if you are paying attention. How they treated Maya for one.

[@John-kv7jo]

@@Samianne92 Maya is a liar and a faker.

[@candiseschwalm8851]

Tell me you know nothing about what’s going on, without telling me. 😂

[@FCUK-]

​@@candiseschwalm8851exactly lmao these people are just showing their true ignorance perhaps they need to watch the documentary cuz they're only focusing on one thing. Crazy.

[@jlob5296]

Reporting is totally different than investigating and substantiating

[@gusdagoosesmom4902]

From watching this entire time and not seeing the biased documentary, I believe that this hospital was going to be here no matter what the outcome. If the hospital gave her the treatment and died in the hospital they would have been sued. Not doing what Beata demanded is now getting them sued.

[@stevemitz4740]

WRONG! Haughtey/ Quack J H foolishly/ stupidly diagnosed Mom as a nut case for her not bowing down to the leading cause of death, i.e. iatrogenic medicine, I.E. the same thing pharma "medicine" quacks did to FLCCC doctors for not bowing & prescribing life saving ivermectin & HCQ, costing a million lives & much suffering! The bios your should worry about is your induced confidence bios for our 5 billion in fruad fines, big pharma's patent, for profit, "medicine." that no agency dare clean up! i.e. too big investigate! Heck, they only kill 600 to 2000 each day, but look at they money they make! i.e. money to buy advertising, P.R. & politicians!

[@MadisonsFriend184]

@@stevemitz4740I get your point on big pharma and that’s really frightening stuff. but if we focus on @gus comment, they too have a point. Jh are being sued for saving maya, it’s highly probable they would have been sued if maya died after admission due to some type of complication in treatment and they would have been sued if she died after being discharged back into the hands of Dr Kirkpatrick. No matter which way you spin it, it was always going to end up in court. Hospitals absolutely get it wrong but whilst not perfect, I think they got it right with maya. There’s alot going on with the kowalski family that makes this different to your typical malpractice/medical negligence case and I think that’s why there is strong reactions from both sides. It an interesting case and whilst Team JH, I feel the jury may award some type of damages but not in the range they are seeking.

[@MsCatzrock]

How do you know the documentary was biased if you didn't watch it 🤔

[@Estimator00]

I totally agree. The hospital was doomed the minute they walked in the door and wanted to get rid of them as soon as possible.

[@marybryner5562]

It was Maya and her father and ESPECIALLY Beata who was “doomed” the minute they walked into that hellhole of a hospital!

[@salliem424]

It's interesting to see how much public consensus has changed over the course of this trial. There were a lot of Maya supporters in the beginning. Now since the defense has dropped some bombshells people's attitudes have changed.

[@Ghost_Biscuit]

I’m not 💯 but I believe the Joint Commission reports are available to the public. I tried to find them but I’ve only ever used CMS so I didn’t have any luck. I hope the judge will consider CMS reports because it will tell you if that hospital met the requirements for Medicare/Medicaid funding. Also, the defense is acting childish. I’ve never seen so much snark from one side in my life. They are always there to point out that ‘it depends on the how long the plaintiffs cross will take”. Which is funny because they are the ones holding back so much evidence. They have the ability to show the claim JHACH sent to Aetna with the DRG that would prove they did bill for CRPS. Their Executive Director for the Rev Cycle they brought to testify even makes a comment to reviewing the info. And yet they try to pull out Aetna’s data, which is only for Aetna to approve for continuing the stay. Since Maya was in-house for over 30 days, this becomes an interim bill. JHACH will bill Aetna every 30 days and, depending on Aetna’s policy, they will pay portions until discharge. But the real bill from JHACH will come at discharge and the billing department will need to determine what Aetna still owes.

[@chiccavaquita]

Are you in MDS or something. Why are you talking Medi-Medi 😂

[@Ghost_Biscuit]

@@chiccavaquita I work in hospital administration, and specialize in billing, coding, and payer contracts. Part of my team’s job is to make sure the bill is calculated correctly and the payer (Aetna in this instance) paid it correctly. Plus I’ve built in the same EHR they use.

[@chiccavaquita]

@@Ghost_Biscuit OK nice. Just thinking what was the goal of your post?

[@janetcantrell9727]

If none of this had ever happen. What do you think Maya life would be like today. How many more comas could she survived before there was permanent damage? How much more drugs, valium, ect before she became so hooked it would be a life long battle. Picture this beautiful girl with bent, drawn up, wasted away legs, poor skin, and dry brittle hair from poor nutrition, because of no appetite for food , just wants more drugs. This is what her future would have been like if the court had not said no more ketamine. If mom had continued like she was.

[@OwnYourTruth222]

Dead but the family was always going to blame someone else for it.

[@PIOPIOBEM]

The case is not about the drugs administration.

[@kimberleighe_anne]

You people do know the katamine treatment was suggested by a DOCTOR. Not her mother. Her mother didn't go into every doctor and say "my daughter needs ketamine". It was suggested by a professional doctor. It was the first doctor that actually seemed to care and try to understand myas condition. And her mother went with what the one doctor thought was best. Smh.

[@wrmlm37]

​@@kimberleighe_anneI doubt any Doc would be willing to write orders for Ketamine for pain control in a child. That doc should have kept her as his patient and HE could write the order on HIS license. ( Hospital nurse multiple yrs,..) Other docs will not order because of the mother's statement about another doctor's opinion. If he REALLY wanted to help Maya, he should have kept her...his orders, his license.

[@Nick2bad4u]

Maya would of been in a wheelchair at homecoming with Kyle as her date

[@patriciafoster3347]

This case is ridiculous. And if there were astronomical medical bills…well … then…don’t mess around with diagnosing and prescribing for your child. No hospital is going to treat how a family member suggests. If you found someone who agrees…..better stick with THAT Dr. Or be prepared for others to reassess and confirm. She loved her daughter so much…yet she killed herself? Who’s going to settle this crap once and for all? I hope the legal fees are astronomical as well.

[@Nick2bad4u]

Yup. it's hard to say, because no one wants to speak ill of the dead. But she was a bad mother.

[@MadisonsFriend184]

@@Nick2bad4u1. beata ‘chose’ martyrdom to avoid persecution. JHACH not guilty 🔨

[@MadisonsFriend184]

2. For those who believe in god, Beata was a living contradiction. Declaring a faith so strong as to euthanise her own child and to then take her own life is a complete rejection of gods sovereignty.

[@JoAnnToledo]

@@MadisonsFriend184 and Maya's.

[@mistyevans8160]

That is so wrong. A good doctors listens to patience and does research or calls the right experts in. Instead of trying to listen, they put blinders on and started accusing based on something that not a lot is known about because it is rare. 10 yrs ago they said this rare disorder was all psychological and now look. I firmly disagree with your analysis of this situation and find it quite scary that people like you don't investigate thoroughly, like the doctors that very well could've and didn't and caused great anxiety, anguish, ptsd, long lasting fear of treatment, and a valuable life to be lost because they didn't listen.

[@Jessica-hk5qt]

Maya really should not have come back on with her four points. It was childish and nasty.

[@deb-77d]

Did I miss something?

[@MadisonsFriend184]

That’s why criminals are advised not to testify at their trial. She incriminated herself on those 4 points.

[@kimberleighe_anne]

She had every right to add in what the lawyer forgot to. Nothing wrong with what she said

[@Nick2bad4u]

She probably lost the case with that.

[@MadisonsFriend184]

@@Nick2bad4u I lost any empathy I had for her at this point.

[@LMR-dt9tr]

Why didn’t Jack & Beata work with their family attorneys and plea to the DCF Judge to have Maya transferred to the Orlando outpatient CRPS program and put in the custody of Uncle Scott & wife or foster medical home? At least, this way Maya would be out of inpatient hospital. It was already recommended that the Orlando outpatient program was best care for her CRPS vs the program at JHACH had to offer.

[@MadisonsFriend184]

You have made a great point and a card the defence did not play but I’m assuming it’s within the chapter 39 ruling. Everyone forgets that the family had 4 lawyers and not one of them seemed to help this family. Maya was going to die as soon as beata got her back on the K regardless.

[@JoAnnToledo]

listen to recording of Bedy with Beata pre-shelter. Regarding treatment at Lemores (sp). Beata refused to answer because she was meeting with her lawyer. No followup because Beata refused to let hospital forward the records.

[@MadisonsFriend184]

@@JoAnnToledoI didn’t listen to that recording but will 🤔. You say then that her lawyers advice was the likely cause that changed the course of Mayas treatment? If so, Hypothetically, if that were me I would have accepted the Transfer and then engaged an attorney and had a comprehensive psychiatric evaluation to fight the alleged MbP diagnosis that Dr Smith was presenting. My child would have been the main priority.

[@JoAnnToledo]

@@MadisonsFriend184 indeed. The recording was played this week before defense rested. I think that Beata had made up her mind that attending nurses and social worker were inferior. Typical of narcissim. Bedy tried gently to get Beata's approval to transfer Maya to Lemeurs (sp). Just asking for a yes or no to the transfer. Beata even states that she is recording the call. Guess we will never know what the lawyer advised.

[@MadisonsFriend184]

@@JoAnnToledoyes, now i remember 🤔. Thank you 🙏. I find the families protest to recording and photos by the hospital a double standard yet mom secretly records her K quacks without their consent 🤷‍♀️.

[@TrxmpBrownNosersBgone]

If it was a judge that ordered it why attack a hospital that many others in desperate need for care use? We can't just sue all the hospitals. We wouldn't have hospitals. At least not any that would be objective or dependable.

[@MadisonsFriend184]

I think it’s called entitlement. I wonder how many pieces of life saving medical equipment 200M would buy?

[@BeHappy-yh5or]

🌼🌼🌼 smoke, you are someone who cares for the greater good. Your comment gives me hope 🤞. Have a happy day 😊

[@AnGel-k9l4s]

You can't defend the INDEFENSIBLE!!

[@ldolan4051]

Wrong

[@marybryner5562]

EXACTLY!

[@stevemitz4740]

Yah right, just like little David & big Goliath! Oh wait, that's not quote right is it?

[@Jessica-hk5qt]

And quite interesting to see her true nature.

[@MadisonsFriend184]

Definitely a glimpse into what she hides.

[@John-kv7jo]

She's a liar and a faker.

[@shonabeggs4640]

I keep thinking, imagine the evidence the boyfriend could provide, when they split up. I bet her legs work just fine when they're wrapped round him like a candy paper.

[@Justsomegirl8]

@@shonabeggs4640 wow…what a disgusting thing to say…..about an underage girl nonetheless….repulsive

[@TMTM584]

@@shonabeggs4640That was definitely uncalled for.

[@fair-trial-1234]

So much admiration and respect for this judge. Don't necessarily agree w/ him all the time, especially excluding the battery, but he's awesome. JHCH has been so W-R-O-N-G and so deceiving!!!

[@janewalker6051]

The Defence needs to be put on trial. The jury won’t fall for the deceit, common sence will prevail.

[@MadisonsFriend184]

Maya is pulling off the biggest deceit of all, why wouldn’t she when there’s a 200M payday at stake. Common sense would return a not guilty verdict.

[@JoAnnToledo]

@@MadisonsFriend184 she won't have to work at Cracker Barrell again. Clear she doesn't plan to go to college with all those straight A's.

[@MadisonsFriend184]

@@JoAnnToledoI read that she ran into issues with her direct supervisor at crack barrel and that’s why she quit. Somehow that turned into a ptsd episode when she saw someone resembling Cathi 🤨❓. Her trial CV tells me the first story is true. I get the impression that she doesn’t like to be told what to do.

[@marybryner5562]

“The Defence needs to be put on trial” That’s perfect! Johns Hopkins All Childrens will likely fire them after this Trial anyways!

[@JoAnnToledo]

is that what happens in your country? We know you are not in the US.

[@richelle7211]

Anyone have a timestamp or info on the one juror they brought up at the end? Thanks

[@misslexxusxo4538]

They didn't present any other Info.. just that the motion to exclude the juror had to be in today. And they would address it on Monday morning

[@NoelSeymourEST2023]

Why did they want a juror dismissed I couldn’t find it in yesterdays trial

[@PennyxXxDreadful]

@@NoelSeymourEST2023 They've been talking about it for a while a sidebar. It's muted in the L&C streams. There's at least one juror they keep having to edit the questions of for showing bias/hostility/some pretty strong indications that they've researched the case out of court and/or watched the documentary.

[@carolsmith1030]

How do you know this if it was sidebar ?

[@LB13394]

@@PennyxXxDreadful Yesterday he said the one juror had vacation scheduled.

[@jackienewyork9332]

The comment about being in hospital for 100 days is "not a big trigger" from male hospital lawyer..is ridiculous!! He obviously hasn't been in a hospital for that long. The family was treated wrong by the hospital and three days in a hospital is stressful without being treated like Kowalski's were ..in my opinion.

[@Angela-dx6cs]

A licensed clinical social worker is considered a health care provider.

[@MB-gl6tt]

No, they are technically Mental Healthcare Professionals--in every state.

[@thn348]

Defense is too sneaky.

[@MadisonsFriend184]

So are the kowalskis and Mr Anderson. Don’t take it too seriously, both sides are playing a game, there’s 200M at stake and the best hand wins ♦️♠️♥️♣️🔟, all the same suit of course.

[@marybryner5562]

You got that right! “Sneaky” is mild for all the BS they tried to get past the Plaintiffs!

[@BarbaraBelluccio]

So explain this … if the joint commission report comes back bad and shows systemic problems doesn’t this affect the punitive damages claim? This would prove they were not aware of the wrongdoings and punitive damages has to show intent in order to be proven..?

[@NrsLisa]

That’s a good question… I would like to know that too

[@llhannah9297]

Is it an indirect intent due to negligence?

[@wend5678]

Why are they trying to disqualify a juror?

[@stevemitz4740]

A juror can't get info about a case! That's the claim.

[@wend5678]

@@stevemitz4740ooh somebody been snooping? Thanks for replying.

[@stevemitz4740]

@@wend5678 Possibly! It's not a matter of fact! Somebody [may have] been snooping!

[@wend5678]

⁠@@stevemitz4740apologies I missed the may have been bit. We will find out for sure on Mon.

[@LatinaLatina1011]

The defense knows they are not voting for them . That’s why there’s a jury . That’s what they do . They pick a side

[@lisawhite3648]

I like the Judge.I think he is fair .Very nice to the jury also.

[@GG-ek5md]

Another corrupt judge

[@Gabriel-hf1yy]

The judge is on the defence side...

[@sue145145]

Hopefully he is if these parents were allowed to medicate this child anymore, if she wouldn’t be alive

[@ninamartinez5171]

​@@GG-ek5mdI don't understand how he's going to get around the facts that JHH has 53 Lawsuits since 2012 already i believe that mr Judge knows it and is desperately trying to get JHH out of his court room. 😢 and after learning today that the court never said that Maya's mother wasn't allowed supervised visitations? JHH done ✔ or it's another Florida KCA 😢

[@ninamartinez5171]

​@@Gabriel-hf1yyThe judge is supposed to remain unbiased.

[@texaskatydid1081]

I think the cumulative effect is extreme and outrageous

[@11gmlxSd]

It blows me away how many people are being duped by this crazy grifter family. Netflix streamers, KZbinrs, podcasters. Duped. I don’t get it.

[@sharonhoward884]

Lawyers for the hospital, a hospital called Johns Hopkins All Children's Hospital call it "John" Hopkins throughout the entirety of this trial? Might seem trivial but seriously, get the name right.

[@Watching4]

I thought they were supposed to be top hospital I guesss I was SO WRONG!! This is evil

[@MadisonsFriend184]

It depends if you are looking through one eye or two ⚖️

[@taniatigerashby5452]

Ms Crowells utterances N half vowel sounds out loud while Anderson or judge Carrol is talking 😮

[@NrsLisa]

To be fair Anderson does that way way more

[@taniatigerashby5452]

Omg her voice is just soooooo perversely controlled and she knows full well the impact a female voice whinging in a man's ear has !!!!!!!

[@misswildlife7905]

If the jury looks back at how the instructions to them are done, they will be shocked and dismayed at the pickiness of the wording is done. Most is done to "protect" the defendant for future losses they might incur regarding the verdict. The "score" for the hospital will be greatly affected either way the verdict goes. In the end, the Mother is still dead & the family will still have permanent emotional damage they will continue to live with. All this is IMHO 💙

[@PennyxXxDreadful]

From where I'm sitting, this looks pretty standard as far as the jury instruction process goes.

[@11aauser]

Another point of view is that after the Hospital took action Maya is still alive and healthy! She may be dead, addict or paralyzed from the amount of drugs and horrible treatments that Beata was exposing her! They both had/have mental issues

[@cindyliao2250]

@@11aauser，the purpose of the hospital is to treat patients - for physical and mental issues. And Maya and her mother’s mental states are not in dispute here. The question is whether the hospital act appropriately. The hospital has lied and have systematic issues. If the hospital does not recognize that and take corrective actions, there will be many more tragedies.

[@lisanevins3605]

I disagree, legal proceedings are full of legal language & law governing the place where the case is being presented. I would not expect either side to drop the ball in this procedure. This is it. Bring it home to the jury. The court wants a verdict. To me this is the most important part of the trial. The burden is always on the plantiff. The objective of this document is not to tell the juror what to think , it's to give them direction to reach their own conclusion. Where does one start & end with all this. It's the lawyers job to help the jury do that, so wording & words & clarity do that. So the better get it right. I don't think the verdict will.affect the status of the hospital. Public opinion has already been reached. I would expect that every juror will go through the steps of deliberating regardless if they have reached a person decision. It is their duty and the law is instructing them to be precise in the decision & conclusion process in coming to their verdict. With their note taking & jury questions I'm sure the jury will welcome the jury instructions. I live in Canada we never see cases like this. Besides we have Universal Health Care its non profit, funded by Canadians , & different laws. I've enjoyed watching the lawyers in this case, argue and present their case the judges rulings & the process of the rule of law.

[@MadisonsFriend184]

@@lisanevins3605love them or hate them, the debates between the lawyers and the judge has been the real highlight of this trial.

[@sonyamcintyre6692]

Why do they want a juror disqualified?

[@luv2cre84]

That’s what I’m wondering as well.

[@cathy1672]

The juror is smarter than they anticipated. Defence wants them out, they fear the juror will sway the other jurors. I suspect it’s the juror that has the medical background that they are targeting.

[@aes1492]

No, the juror called out to maya to say hi, apparently ....

[@sonyamcintyre6692]

@@aes1492 is that it? The defendants must be worried 🤣

[@kimstodolak]

If Beata would have been allowed supervised visits near the end, she might've chosen to live.

[@mistyevans8160]

If she had been allowed a hug she would've lived. To not be allowed a hug in front of the judge, court officers, lawyer, dcfs, ect., ect. Now that is a damned shame. A freaking hug, really? She I am sure was stressed to the ultimate with her daughter's illness, then finding out it's rare, then having to make the tough decisions to treat her based on the incredible pain she was in, then they take her child after she informs them of what has worked, then keep her completely away while asking husband about a divorce and allowing him to go see her, taking away the host while accusing mother, ( unfounded lies) of poisoning the host with ketamine, not allowing her to fully have freedom of religion, picking on her during phone calls, and then the hug. I am surprised based on my own experience with depression that was way less stressful than this, that she made it that far! Good Lord!

[@BeHappy-yh5or]

@@mistyevans8160🌼🌼 friend, tis hard to comprehend I know. Everyone gets to choose what they think is true but that does not mean it is. Hug someone you love, there is more important things that need your energy. Peace 📿 🌼

[@reidnlorikincaid9683]

Exactly. It was HER CHOICE. AND SHE CHOSE THE UNDERSTANDABLE, but most TRAGIC AND MOST SELFISH route.

[@salliem424]

​@mistyevans8160 no contact means no contact. Beata made it worse on herself and poor Maya because of her behavior.

[@helensmusings]

One thing is for sure lawyers really know how to make an overly complicated mess of a statement, that could probably have been done and better served in half the pages 🤣

[@gusdagoosesmom4902]

Does Law and Crime not provide CC?

[@MB-yb8qn]

Usually not till following day, at least that's what I have seen in past.

[@cynthiaroark1778]

They should for the Deaf and Hard of Hearing

[@gusdagoosesmom4902]

@@MB-yb8qn Thank you -- I couldn't make out a lot of the video and there was no CC on it so I just dealt with it and missed what I missed

[@cynthiaroark1778]

Sincerely hope a class action lawsuit is filed to address the negligence of the hospital, per the immediate jeopardy report, particularly regarding the cardiac unit. The families who lost children deserve the biggest payout. But $220,000,000 for one child whose well being was actually protected and maintained by the hospital just isn’t fair! Let’s think of the babies and their families in the cardiac unit who are the real victims here!

[@MadisonsFriend184]

I think you make a valid point. Corporations including hospitals should be held accountable for any ‘unreasonable’ and/or ‘foreseeable’ harm they cause as a result if their negligence. However, frivolous and vexatious claims brought on by the fact the defendant has the deepest pockets should be strongly defended. An infants loss of life is valued at a mere 2.5M, but the cost to save Mayas life will cost 220M. It will be a sad day for justice if the Plaintiff walks away with the 220M.

[@bernardsmith6176]

I hope they get the full amount of money

[@terrilynn1110]

Does anyone know if live day 30 will be on youtube today

[@gusdagoosesmom4902]

Why didn't Maya freak out yesterday when her attorney petted her? Some strange man -- even if she knows him (much older than her) petting her without consent? And her father is sitting right there? why didn't he ask if he could touch her like that?

[@sweeettat]

it was indeed weird.

[@bluschke52]

​@@sweeettatThere was nothing weird about it. He has known Maya and family for years and it was in a public setting.

[@sweeettat]

@@bluschke52 okay? that’s your opinion and i have mine.

[@jaydf2180]

Tbf they’ve known each other years and she prob has trust in him

[@learningtogetherhomeschool7208]

But did he ask for consent???

[@lindastevens1969]

The Jury got facts and precise instructions

[@kimstodolak]

If Maya has PTSD from whole Beady situation, then she will struggle holding a job. The trauma will hit her one day.

[@taniatigerashby5452]

Tbh I think the court is in danger of underestimating the jury's understanding of law and how it affects their job which is to make decisions on the case....that's just my two cents 😂

[@silentowlscribe]

Whatever the judgment is, it will be appealed. It's too complicated. Too much stuff to consider. Not even sure if the CMS reports will make a difference here in trial. More time would have to be granted to delve deep into this. But they don't have time for this. Both sides have decent chances of the verdict being overturned on appeal, so these reports the original report and the follow up report will be a factor on appeal.

[@Nick2bad4u]

Correct. Even if the Kowalskis get a full 220m settlement, it'll be 10 years before they see a dime of that.

[@MadisonsFriend184]

@@Nick2bad4uthis trial should never have cone about but given it has, it should never have gone to a jury. It should have been tried in front of a judge and we wouldn’t have wasted 4 weeks of our lives. The time in bench arguments speak for itself.

[@emmacarey6971]

Does anyone know if there is going to be coverage today?

[@saragoldfarb5860]

I came here to ask the same thing!

[@brianmalone5006]

Did the audio stop for a minute or was that just mine

[@kathrynl2301]

33:06 Anderson's side eye

[@Natasha_Florida]

😂

[@Watching4]

They gave her tramadol for the worst pain imaginable ???? That’s cruel and unnecessary punishment

[@Watching4]

And they were punishing her saying she was making it up anyone could see the pain she was in

[@BeHappy-yh5or]

Happy vibes people 🌼🌼🌼🌼 . Wouldn’t it be better to hug a loved one than to emerce yourself into something you cannot control ✌️. Being present is the pathway to happiness🧘‍♀️. Have the best day.

[@ldolan4051]

This case is such bs. Some kid didn't like a social worker?

[@leahdimmick5175]

Are they done for the day?

[@emmacarey6971]

Does anyone know if this is going to be covered today?

[@melissat.1449]

No jury at all today??

[@sweeettat]

no, today and tomorrow off. judge/attorneys returning Monday morning to argue a huge issue at 8:15 am EST; then jury will be in at 9.

[@sonyamcintyre6692]

​@sweeettat do you know why they want a juror disqualified?

[@sweeettat]

@@sonyamcintyre6692 probably bias and/or defense thinks whatever particular juror has seen the documentary/media coverage.

[@erinknight4697]

So the jury isn't hearing, watching this?

[@sweeettat]

@@erinknight4697 NO

[@theJenhha99]

She is going to be effected by the battery from mrs beatty..... she stated she had tu quit her job because she thought she saw beatty.... and she couldn't even wait on her.... that week effect her being able to work.

[@Janet-o3k]

That lady rocks my boat, not in pleasant way !!

[@sunshine22723]

Its standard practice for malpractice attorneys to look into hospital wrongdoings before a lawsuit is filed.Doesnt look like the plaintiffs hired the right attorneys ( for a reason,).

[@LatinaLatina1011]

@laurieschmidt2672standard practice. From the judges reaction doesn’t see m Like standard . The way the defense almost crapped their pants doesn’t seem standard either

[@AnGel-k9l4s]

I thought the judge wouldn’t allow that testimony in until the defense opened up that door..

[@armstrong2388]

@@AnGel-k9l4sthe brazenness of Shapiro trying to be tricky by bringing up the Joint Commission with witness Anderson knowing what it could open up… wow. Just wow.

[@Ieezeca]

They politely opened it with sweet lies and alibis..

[@heatherbritton1691]

I think they hired the correct attorneys hence what came out yesterday. They had breadcrumbs and were just waiting for the defense to open the door since they couldn’t.

[@bees5461]

Yeah, take my post down because it doesn't worship Maya

[@kimyoung2447]

I've had that happened to me as well. Long concise thought out posts, gonnzo!

[@AnGel-k9l4s]

😂.. you think there’s a conspiracy that law & crime is biased and deleting your post..😂😂😂 😂

[@sherrym921]

WHAT THE ??? Why would they do that? There are several people in this group that disagree with the Kowalski’s, and their posts remain 🤷🏻‍♀️

[@bees5461]

@@sherrym921 My post was a very thought out full of actual testimony from the trial. So, why are they removing it other than it does not support the common worshipping of Maya

[@pamdsp47]

I couldn’t find 2 of my posts made before the court day ended until I realized that when over, anything said during goes away and only comments posted after are visible/ viewable. Did that make sense?? 😊

[@supme7558]

Who edits these? Why not skip the speaker view hello ten minutes wtf.

[@PennyxXxDreadful]

...It's a livestream.

[@Rashbumsmummy]

This is the biggest BS case I’ve ever watched 🤬

[@photosofrm15]

When is case back in court?

[@rachela4071]

Monday for closing

[@MadisonsFriend184]

❄️❄️❄️❄️❄️ vs JHACH

[@jenniferabrahamson1148]

What juror issue???

[@shivandya3345]

I've been trying to find information on that too.

[@Estimator00]

@@gertiealba4453 there is another issue brought up by the defense

[@ElleR3416]

@@gertiealba4453That is not the issue. It is something else that hasn’t been spoken about yet. My guess is the defense probably think that juror’s body language, questions etc. indicates heavily that they are for the Plaintiff, so they want to get rid of them. Unless they have been doing something they are not supposed to, I doubt the judge will dismiss that person and will deny the motion.

[@Watching4]

Well if I were on jury they’d be paying more than what they are seeking it’s a terrible crime

[@cathy1672]

I only have one question to the commentators here: having heard what you have so far in this trial. If your child was in pain, would you take them to JHCH (knowing there are other hospitals available)? Yes or No.

[@barbaracollins5605]

Good one.

[@Michiganmegs]

No

[@MadisonsFriend184]

Yes. Because I’m not a child abuser and I have nothing to hide. My question to you is would you rather let your child die than to take them to JHH if they were the only one available to you?

[@sallysantos524]

No. Never.

[@candiseschwalm8851]

This is really a very uneducated question. If after listening to the defense and you ask this question, you don’t understand how pain works.

[@prisspriss1]

Law & Crime doesn’t have cc?

[@IKINCI-p7g]

Something is NOT right with Kowalski family and I am sorry you are not going to get $$$$$. You made $$$$ from NETFLIX , book deals.....Enough!!

[@jaydf2180]

They had to pay for their legal team somehow

[@LMR-dt9tr]

Seems like she still had the ability to make money then. Which is a claim the planiffs are suing for - her lack of ability to make money. There are many ways to make good money that doesn’t involve college education, working among the public, etc.

[@marybryner5562]

“Something is NOT right” with this hospital - Actually a LOT is NOT right with this hospital!

[@claypartridge7553]

@@marybryner5562agreed !

[@AnnC19]

Something is definitely wrong with this hospital and she should get some money

[@modnius8583]

They hired Bernie Sanders? Cool doppelgänger.

[@rosieoneill2083]

😂

[@LettieB75]

😂

[@LettieB75]

😂

[@lisawhite3648]

Who do you think will win?The Kowalskis or Hospital?

[@barbaracollins5605]

Maya

[@John-kv7jo]

JHACH.

[@Nick2bad4u]

JHACH 😊

[@rosieoneill2083]

He’s going to work on a confidential legal document on a public unsecured Wi-Fi at Cracker Barrel or Starbucks? WHAT?

[@jaydf2180]

The way defence describe the battery that Cathi gave Maya through affection that she found offensive made me giggle… what a way to diminish the seriousness of the situation

[@Estimator00]

LOL never heard anyone refer to comforting a child as battery

[@jaydf2180]

@@Estimator00 the way he words it 🙈

[@Estimator00]

@@jaydf2180 I wanna hear that. I got bored and didn't pay close attention. Thanks for the heads up

[@lisanevins3605]

That's the case. The jury has to determine if it's battery

[@NrsLisa]

The way she was stripped and de-robed down to her shopkins bra..caused debilitating PTSD…but she can’t really remember all the details says maya

[@LatinaLatina1011]

The defense love to take the credit that Maya is doing amazing because of them . Lol but they killed 15 babies in the heart unit

[@LacyMaxon-p9h]

They need Tobe held accountable I would die without my kids literally and to make assumptions smfh

[@frantex001]

Was a Juror removed? Anyone know?

[@TMTM584]

I don’t know what that’s all about, waiting to hear. Does anyone else know?

[@BeHappy-yh5or]

🌼🌼🌼🌼 there are so many more important things in our life we could be spending our time on. Hug a loved one or plant a flower and wait for its beauty to bloom. Be present, for life is passing quickly. Have a happy day 😊

[@frantex001]

@@TMTM584 I finally saw the motion by the Defense and the response by the Plaintiff. Defense says Juror #1 should be removed because his questions show he’s slanted against them. Plaintiff wrote a brilliant response that the motion is nonsense. Judge will rule Monday.

[@LatinaLatina1011]

A hint of sintellla lmao . Defense is not going to sleep for a few weeks lol

[@MadisonsFriend184]

Wokeism Vs JHACH

[@MB-gl6tt]

Great comment!!! 😂

[@OwnYourTruth222]

​@@MB-gl6ttgo truuuuuumpppp

[@socketwrench7]

Start adding 0's...$$$

[@MadisonsFriend184]

Was beata really wedded to her faith ⛪️?

[@MadisonsFriend184]

1. Or did she ‘choose’ martyrdom than face persecution for her sin? Her suiciiiid letters speak for itself.

[@MadisonsFriend184]

2. For those who believe in god, Beata was a living contradiction. Declaring a faith so strong as to euthanise her own child and to then take her own life is a complete rejection of gods sovereignty.

[@MadisonsFriend184]

3. As a non believer, beata will not be doomed to 🔥👹 as the bible would have you believe, her ‘choice’ was to fall on the sword of her righteousness and she is now at peace 🕊️

[@MadisonsFriend184]

4. Beata was not pushed, beata made a ‘choice’ therefore JHACH - Not Guilty 🔨

[@ninamartinez5171]

I think she snapped between all the Bs her job husband JHH ect i strongly don't believe she thought past freeing her family Maya was crying telling her she couldn't take her pants off not being able to see your daughter 🤔 ? your family definitely stressing Kayal was probably all upset over school ect only God almighty knows exactly what Bea Kowalski's thought during the second 😢 its absolutely absurd beyond words horrible 💔 😢

[@phylthis88]

What's happening

[@Ieezeca]

They lost, forgot, or cant get documents to pop up on screen.

[@John-kv7jo]

Closing arguments on MOnday.

[@phylthis88]

Nothing at all today?

[@matthewnarvet7891]

did anything happen today

[@misswildlife7905]

watch the livestream and you will see what they have to do before the jury comes back on Monday

[@stevemitz4740]

Yes, the big thing jury will hear JH's heart "care" death count is systemic!

[@USCzechtheIrish]

@@stevemitz4740thank you for this update! What I wanted to know.

[@stevemitz4740]

@@USCzechtheIrish Your welcome, it was mentioned in todays deliberation, JH wanted it out, judge wanted it in the jury instructions more than plaintiff wanted it in!

[@bees5461]

And once again, my post removed. Within 30 seconds.

[@MadisonsFriend184]

😂😂😂😂 Nice to see ⚫️⚪️ troll not posting in the comments. Maybe he’s leaving his cryptic traps 🪤 in another trial. But I presume you are 👀

[@villafankathya]

It was systematic!!! Lol 😂

[@valerieh2014]

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