Watch Out When Using A Framework Like Django

If you work with a framework like Django or React, there are consequences to that choice that you need to be aware of.
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[@samucancld]

Django is the GOAT 🐐

[@sydneymccarty5501]

No, it sucks. Anachronistic legacy project. It has the worse orm in the business too. If you're a beginner working in python, pick up flask instead. Just follow a tutorial and learn/use all the packages they included in for the tutorial.

[@EldorJ10]

Agree, although in terms of how fast you can actually deliver and put things to production, frameworks are actually good. As they say, the best framework is the one that ships things the fastest.

[@jorisjansen2892]

100% agree, but what would you consider the “django way of doing things”? Could you do a example about it?

[@guillaumequittet9418]

Implementing fallback from another tables in Django was pretty terrible

[@guillaumequittet9418]

Get validation without using a serializer was also a 🤯🔫

[@heroe1486]

@@guillaumequittet9418 You don't have to use a serializer of any kind to get server validation, you can just catch the errors and return it. You don't even have to use DRF serializers even with DRF views. All of that is just sugar you can opt ouf from

[@idk____idk6530]

Agree 💯

[@ArjanCodes]

Thank you , glad you liked the video!

[@MatisCCCC]

at my company we're using an onion based DDD architecture, and the architect did indeed have some trouble combining it with django, but we found a way and now it all goes fine

[@vman2780-ur3ux]

Do you mind sharing

[@sipho4265]

You’re starting to look like Jurgen Klopp more and more

[@zinaright]

Sounding more and more like Mourinho. Tons of words, no weight to content

[@michaelbrittain4937]

It would be good to explore the best way to design and integrate business logic within a framework like Django. The out of the box “real estate” is quite thin - views for request/response processing, ORM for data access, templates for html. But what if the business logic is more complex, such as a workflow management system? Then we still need to design the appropriate class hierarchies and figure out the best way to integrate back into the framework.

[@DevlogBill]

I think I found my soulmate for backend frameworks, Django.

[@kachekijaanlega]

what do you like about it

[@manan-543]

​@@kachekijaanlegaits based on python for starters 😂

[@learnmore5438]

​@@manan-543starter? Oh wow. Have you learned django?

[@usoppgostoso]

@@learnmore5438 he meant 'to begin with', probably. Django is not for starters in my opinion. It mixes different languages and requires a good understanding of each, as well as a lot of other concepts.

[@manny7662]

@@kachekijaanlega I like the ease of connectivity to databases, user management, admin panel, and it's Object relational Mapping workflow.

[@Rei-m3g]

Very true! But I want to break out and use golang .

[@rommellagera8543]

I used a framework in Java that really helped me a lot (OpenXava), I learned how to maximize JPA, organize my code structure and much more. Maybe it depends on the framework. Also, the framework maker may have tried different approaches already but have to pick-up a way that gets the job done. In any case, it pays to know the basics. As I always say technology does not solve the problem, it is up to the developer to create a solution to address the problem.

[@aashayamballi]

Totally 💯

[@ArjanCodes]

Thanks Aashay

[@lofmaan]

Nice video, but I am not sure I fully understand. What's the problem with Django? :)

[@manomancan]

Not me watching this and panicking about using Google Cloud

[@mahmudhasan3093]

Hello arjan, i was just asking which frontend framework goes best with django?

[@richardzitha3591]

any frontend framework of your choice will work well with Django.

[@zinaright]

Django gives you room, to do things "your way". Problem is that most devs are just lazy or want shortcut solutions!

[@JOJO-jp6js]

Framework documentation is annoying. Tried rest framework and simple jwt , had to abandon the project because i couldn't find a solution to setting cookies. Returns access and refresh token

[@DBriddo]

Have you asked ChatGPT to help you out?

[@d.5688]

Are you dutch? Do hear some dutch ish accent lol, great video!

[@ArjanCodes]

Yes I am! :)

[@spidey677]

Django is great because at the end of the day you can always just use it as your backend for an API and that’s it.

[@DBriddo]

It's way more flexible than that

[@spidey677]

@@DBriddo as a front end dev… I agree 1000000000%

[@augus7587]

What does that mean

[@arunny9430]

Do you find learning frameworks challenging enough or intellectually less stimulating than learning programming languages? Do you find your learning process for learning a new framework differs from learning a new programming language? What are some useful things to follow while learning frameworks, if you could think of some?

[@ArjanCodes]

It depends. I find frameworks very interesting, mainly because of the design choices that have been made in those frameworks and how that affects the code you write. It always gives me lots of insights to look into the thought process behind the framework. So as a general tip I highly recommend learning about the background and the "why" of a framework. This can help you decide whether the framework will integrate well into your own code and whether your current design needs revision.

[@zinaright]

The same can be said of any programming language. When you use them, you choose to do things "their way". So, what's your point? Lol

[@adrianvmois9426]

Being married with React is terrible. Lately is composed of so many hacks just to fit the requirements of the largest company on the Earth that uses SPAs. Is ok only if one work for that company. For the rest of devs is like being married with the largest bride.

[@MehdiGuizani]

Yes 😅 kinda sad

[@skidipap6673]

agree. i'm solo developer so i'm gonna marry django

[@daviddelaney363]

You should commit to the programming approach you have chosen for at least 10 to 15 years. This will ensure that eventually you will be an expert within your modality. The alternative is to become a victim of FOMO. You will end up studying a variety of topics and never remembering any of them very well.

[@ArmadilloFactory]

Frameworks are beautiful at first and miserable gremlins in 5 years.

[@adrianvmois9426]

You are right. React was amazing in the first years, now it is totally sh_t. Created ideally for a single company Fbook, now it doesn’t represents its community anymore. Devs are leaving it for other similar frameworks or clones.

[@xplosive830]

​@@adrianvmois9426 what's the new replacement for react according to developers..? will django be relevant in coming years? if not what's the next best replacement for django?

[@adrianvmois9426]

@@xplosive830 might be a react clone like SolidJs. But also might be even React LTS if somebody with enough resources will figure that there is such a need for a Long Term Support version of React. The new Angular have LTS and web components integration, why React's developers refuse to offer that? Also VDOM have to be optional, so it could be switched off for the situations when not needed

[@MagnusAnand]

have your heard about htmx? Cool and easy way to enhance your html to get a SPA but with html 🤯