Watch+Play - Evil / Pain Train / The Last Hope / Pain Train 2 / Oikospiel Book

[@PandasAndPancakes]

Sub Train - 0:00 Evil - 6:26 Pain Train - 40:21 The Last Hope - 53:47 Pain Train 2 - 2:00:42 Oikospiel - 2:05:42

[@user-yr3kt5ei5d]

One of the best Watch+Plays. A wide spectrum of baffling nonsense. Congrulations!

[@maxevans4291]

Who thinks we should have a talking simulator and watch + play crossover, where Cam and Alex talk about bad games.

[@jamesriley72281]

No Graham?! WTF?!

[@jonahcarver7198]

I think the unsheathed katana is a display piece thing. The kind of person who does that either has no intention of ever using the sword, or doesn't know that's bad and thinks it'll be fine. I love the relieved "okay, we're a chicken."

[@TigerGuy786]

I hate jump scares bc they nearly always work. I don't feel fear at them, but I always am startled

[@thegenericnerd6832]

yea me to

[@resilientspring]

Thank you for the laughs, great distraction from feeling sick ☺

[@Josh_Fredman]

That last one was the trippiest game I've ever seen on Watch and Play.

[@empath69]

I like that we've gotten to the point that Graham gets worked up about the games' badness more than Alex does. ^_^

[@TehAmelie]

The "Are you winning, son?" meme but with the dad crying in desperate fear and confusion at Oikospiel.

[@mimkyodar]

Sometimes, just sometimes, I will return to this video, because I wish to see Graham die to a Congrulation. The Last Hope was a real gift.

[@CptFantabulous]

"The Last Hope gives you a lot of content for your money. 10/10" - IGN

[@anyakeyes]

I got to watch this one live! It was great!

[@thomaskirkness-little5809]

I thought they meant the student wrote the essay ON papyrus. :p

[@FelipeModestoBR]

that would have been a good thing and we can't allow for that on W+P

[@warkid57]

Ok so when they started playing Evil, I skipped ahead like 3min because I thought I'd seen this one, but then I realized that Jim had played this one in the Jimquistion before and that's where I'd seen it.

[@CleverCrumbish]

I really wish gaming as an industry, designers and developers in particular, had a bigger union and worker's rights focus, not only for the good it would do or for the balancing it would do against those industries like VA that do have that culture that interact with gaming, but because it would mean we would be more likely to have a varied body of indie work on the subject to compare and contrast deeply absurdist/dadaist efforts like Oikospiel Book against, rather than it just being this weird, completely left field thing that makes no sense not only deliberately, but because the context it's trying to draw on is unknown to so many people. Which is kind of like expressing a frustration that "this game is deep and you just don't get it" but leans more toward "this game isn't actually that deep, but there's also no real reason (given what it's about) that you'd be expected to get it and I want that to change"

[@Necroci]

Was... was the last hope written by Dave's Spokesman?

[@johanmilde]

The discussion on pretentiousness versus absurdity is probably part of what Oikospiel is trying to instil. A lot of the power of absurdism and dadaism was just how angry it made people, for reasons they themselves often did not understand. Personally, I would say art without pretentiousness is decor, really.

[@StapleCactus]

Is the sideways curtain a thing? Like is there a culture in Russia that hangs them that way? I'll admit it's an interesting way to get a different look out of them.

[@DataProwler]

The Last Hope has no hope. Even the sequel advertised on the start screen shows a lack of stakes-raising. Alex should totally play it. Oikospiel Book looks absolutely fascinating. It's not really a game, as it lacks objectives, but is more of a interactive narrative, like visual novels. It isn't pretentious, but rather a venue unexplored. The Stanley Parable is similar, but has branching story paths, and more coherent.

[@thenadefox280]

I would argue that Comics Sans 'once had' uses, not 'has' uses *Lol*

[@jamesriley72281]

590 achievements! Gotta get em all!

[@empath69]

Keep watching; Pain Train 2 makes that number seem small...

[@saberman610]

I'd be curious as to how you separate "bonkers on purpose" from the oft-derided "LOL SO RANDOMZ" style games.

[@AcadianBacon8]

Purely subjective unless you get it straight from the horse's mouth. They can give their opinion on what they think of it, but that's all it'll EVER be. Opinion.

[@saberman610]

True, I was more curious as to what in their opinion was the difference.

[@leviadragon99]

I mean the fact that Oikospiel had a point, and a story, and themes, probably helped albeit they were oft obscured by the absurdist presentation. Even so, it wasn't exactly subtle with its themes of the wealthy and the institutions that support them (like the police) being corrupt and undeserving, but those are still valid and important ideas to explore.

[@168natasha]

1:39:34 Alex starts mimicking bandit radio from S.T.A.L.K.E.R. ohh the memories.

[@DrumDeath667]

Comic Sans and Papyrus always will remind me of Undertale. And Bonetrousle starts to play in my head every time I see them.

[@psikot]

any copyright problems with the celine?

[@shadowwolf8871]

I think oikospiel book was made to make you feel like you just took some kind of drug

[@joshtownsend8807]

Oh No! is alex's hat split??

[@capthavic]

Gives you a sword and shield but has no combat mechanics at all. Has survival meters but just scatters food and drink randomly along the only path. There is nothing to do but run and run for ages until the level just stops. Even if you're new to game design, you presumably have actually played a videogame before in your life.

[@Scud422]

Some people love walking simulators.

[@CBGB42]

So I dunno if chat pointed it out, but that toilet in a small room thing is European. Cuz, you know, Russia.

[@Gnrlshrimp]

For Oikospiel to be pretentious, it would have to have been actively insulting and belittling its audience for "not getting it". It very clearly is not doing for that, it's revelling in its own absurdity and taking everyone else along the ride.

[@samr8889]

Why does so many of these random asset houses just have the “bike room”?

[@UnhingedBear]

My boss does everything in Comic Sans.

[@karfsma778]

WHY. Oh dear god why

[@UnhingedBear]

She is a monster

[@psikot]

Oikospiel Book is modernism vs. post modernism

[@colinbeck8676]

Okay I'm not sure anyone mentioned it or got it, but I'm pretty sure Oikospiel is a modern, video game rendition, if an absolutely ABSURD and dadaist rendition, of the classic Orphean operas, that tells the tale of Orpheus, the great musician of greek myth, portrayed here by the crystal bear, journeying through the underworld to rescue his wife Eurydice, played here by the crystal wolf, who has died and her soul cast into Hades. Obviously, they're trying to tie it into some sort of socialist commentary on unions, art production (with the dog game studio), and absurdism, as the conflict between the bear (Orpheus) and the wolf (Eurydice) is about the unionization of the game studio. I think the underworld that Orpheus tries to rescue Eurydice from is the neo-liberal socialist game studio she works for that is going out of business because they aren't delivering what their donors wanted because it's too absurd, and Eurydice is having none of it and criticizing Orpheus for being a bigwig and having servants. And through all of it is this meta-analysis and self-critique as the game itself is what the studio inside the game is developing. Overall, yeah, it's absolutely off the wall. But it isn't just some weird shitpost, it does actually have a .... well, not coherent, but solid storyline that is meaningful and classic. This is art at its ... art-ist. Can't say best, certainly not worst, weird is derogatory, so... art-ist.

[@darkcheaker]

I remember my trip on DXM was not that bad compared to oikospiel book

[@Somtaaw7]

28:19 RIP Headphone users.

[@karfsma778]

18:45 Brilliant

[@Elkae]

ok we're a chicken

[@johannesschubert7739]

07:30

[@heronator]

Video starts at 6:28

[@veggie88]

heronator uhh, it starts at 0:00. that's how videos work.

[@WhichDoctor1]

Is it odd that as a sis guy my first thought when the game finally loaded was "that looks like a poorly fitting bra"?

[@anilaurel]

well, youre right

[@veggie88]

WhichDoctor1 sis guy?

[@jek__]

YOU ARE A VIKING NOW

[@CleverCover05]

The problem with the last game isn't that it's pretentious. It's that it's boring as heeellllll. 'saving this later for bedtime'