Watching Every Problem With Dragon Ball Z And It’s All Wrong!!

[@Echo-nn8dt]

Power levels kinda got written out of the story after the Namek Saga. Yeah they still existed but it was more of an implied thing than pointing out an exact number, they didn't have any impact on the story after Frieza. Honestly the fandom held on to power scaling more than the actual series.

[@Echo-nn8dt]

and I think it was a good and important thing that power levels stopped being a thing in DB. DB was always about surpassing limits and I like seeing the limit being surpassed over seeing a number surpassed.

[@MONKELIQUIDITYOFSORTS777]

Yup written out because its not really even about the power levels anymore…. Its the power CREEP.. And no matter how much you gaslight… THAT is bullsh*t…..😔

[@sargeranders9546]

The whole point of "power levels" was that they were unreliable. That was the point of the scouters being introduced since they relied to on them but earthlings could manipulate power levels.

[@bandawin18]

Imo higher power levels shouldn't guarantee victory in a fight. DB as a whole has always been about defeating someone stronger and getting stronger as a result. Like with Goku vs Jiren, that MF was so op that he pushed Goku to ascend to godhood and even STILL was throwing hands as an equal. Idgaf if a character is stronger than someone else, that shouldn't mean that they'd be guaranteed to win

[@JakeTylenol]

Thank you, so many people call me crazy for this

[@MetalGames95]

I don't see why so many people don't seem to realize that power levels were always meant to be unreliable! The introduction of power levels in a narrative sense only serves a single purpose. To show the villains hubris. From even the first moments with Raditz we see the whole point of it. The saiyans are overly confident because a device tells them with a flat number that the people of earth are weaklings. But as soon as they start to use techniques such as the makankosappo and kaio Ken the number shoots up exponentially catching the villains off guard. So the whole point of it is that the scouters were always unreliable because they only calculate how much power is emanating from someone as they are standing there and not the full potential of their strength.

[@TSO_Sage]

🎯

[@chamuga76]

I dont know if nappa and goku should have had a tougher fight between eachother, I think it was cool that goku just stomped him immediately because we were shown how strong nappa is against the other z fighters compared to gokus newfound strength. it just showed the level that goku and vegeta were on compared to the rest which sets up an even better fight between them.

[@od3rfla]

Fax

[@sugma69420]

Fax

[@I_love_DBZ]

Personally, Dragon Ball(as a franchise) will all ways hold a special place in my heart even if there is something better out there. R.I.P. Akira Toriyama

[@kaienglish271]

Ngl I don’t like how ppl think Goku beat Buu alone just because he used the final attack. The sprit bomb is a culmination of multiple things you could even say Hercule is the biggest reason they beat Kid Buu + Vegeta’s idea to suggest the spirit bomb + Stall. Most of the Buu saga is Goku learning not to rely on one person to do everything.

[@od3rfla]

And Vegeta’s character arc throughout Dragon Ball

[@j2sketchy]

Facts 💯

[@liamroma3677]

I don't think goku was learning not to rely on one person. I mean, if that was the case then why would he rely on goten and trunks to fight? But maybe I read it wrong.

[@numberhunter62]

@@liamroma3677 Yeah, Goku was wrong, that's the point. He wanted a successor who could save the day, but no individual can save the universe. that was the lesson Goku learnt from fighting Kid Buu. There's also other narrative and thematic reasons as to why Buu needed to be defeated the way he did, but that's a different topic.

[@CornNinja]

I really like how you dug into how some anime fans are with hating on DB. Naruto is my favorite fictional charecter but I like the story of Dragon Ball more overall than Naruto. Some people don't understand and treat being an anime fan as a sports team and have this tribalistic mentality about these cartoons. Like you can be a fan of more than one thing and not try to put something down to boost your thoughts on something you like more. But I'm just yapping now.

[@crashtime3429]

nah ur correct

[@ShadowOfMassDestruction]

Yeah I'm a massive Naruto fan more than a Dragon Ball fan and I mostly venture out into the realm of other Anime like Clannad or Monogatari and other such shows but I absolutely cannot disrespect the sheer legacy of Dragon Ball at all. Dragon Ball was how I got into the Anime medium in the first place and from Dragon Ball to Z it's all such a fun and memorable time with heartfelt moments amongst the action that easily captured the hearts of many. Disrespecting the impact of Dragon Ball because "Oug Oug it's popular" is commiting an enormous disservice.

[@abhinandannandan3863]

Yes

[@j2sketchy]

Facts 💯

[@ray0064]

To the people that say it’s the android and cell saga, fill in the blank from Cell’s introduction to piccolo. “ My name is Cell. I am an ……. created by Dr. Gero.”

[@indrainspace2601]

The only thing i can see being more iconic than the Kamehameha is the Pokeball. If you were there, you know. Back in the 90s and early 2000s, dragonball and pokemon were neck and neck. It was the Ye and Jay, X and ski, kobe and shaq of anime for the US. You couldn't go nowhere without seeing a mf with someone who was a dragonball or pokemon fan. I will say that Pokemon is definitely carried by the games when it comes to clout but i'd have to be lying to myself to say it isn't up there with DB.

[@crashtime3429]

Fax. They go toe to toe w each other

[@user-gk6nt5gi5n]

Icl pokemon is way bigger and its not even close

[@D-money813]

no, no. this is so wrong outside of the iconic pat but even then i do not know. if you play charades with my mom or dad and motioned a kamehameha wave they'd know what you're doing. im not sure if they could guess a pokeball. pokemon had leadway in 97/98. by the time goku started fighting frieza on toonami....it...was...over. you're giving pokemon too much credit. if you really wanna be real pokemon was having issues with the original digimon digivices

[@od3rfla]

@@user-gk6nt5gi5nin America it felt a bit bigger but in Mexico which where I was at, it was all Dragon Ball

[@justasimplemanworkinghiswa1569]

you forgot 50 in that 2000s convo

[@FrankAsagi]

Did everyone forget that Piccolo assimilated Nail into his being which is why he was able to hold his own against 2nd form Freeza?

[@naxmaxJK]

Dragon ball genuinely is the start of it's own Renaissance it's simple motivating inspiring and a cult classic. Like it or hate it but tori is and will always be one of the greats. May his rest be peaceful and his memory kept close. And shouts out to the new gens and big three too they have ups and down but we all love the hype.

[@j2sketchy]

Toriyama THE 🐐

[@neo84401]

If we're talking About if pokemon was more influential, that could be a honest to God debate.

[@GregSmithIII]

DBZ is the most influential anime outside of Japan. Pokemon is second.

[@Btwstone]

Pokémon is a more well known IP looking at the global scale. Although there are multiple countries(mostly Spanish speaking ones) where dragon ball is bigger. I would say Pokémon takes it.

[@youssafeJaja]

@@Btwstone DBZ is the most influential anime outside of Japan. Pokemon is second.

[@sugma69420]

True. Its debatable. But the others aren't even close

[@ChocolateFishBrains]

See the issue with this debate is that it's not the pokemon anime that is influential. The pokemon video games and trading cards are what made it popular, and the show itself was always secondary to those. You might have an argument if your position is that the pokemon IP is more influential, but not if we're talking just about anime.

[@CornadaTV]

Nah bruh, we need that Yu Yu on stream 😭

[@richborn6700]

Big Facts it gets overshadowed by so many new school anime fans because they prefer Hunter Hunter. Yu Yu Hakusho is GOATED

[@Timiplier2]

third form frieza is canon but i do agree nobody cares about it tho

[@willofzee5488]

Taking into account the dragon balls can bring people back to life and the fact Goku had already died in the series… him dying was the best cap to his character. Him deciding to stay dead was definitely the defining moment. Was also the perfect way to end the arc and possibly the series if we really wanna get into it

[@ghoztly7099]

Piccolo getting THAT strong was kinda OD. But you have to consider he had actual training partners, while goku on king kai's planet had zero. Meaning his gains were massive by comparison. Training with actual martial artists in more gravity. The nail multiplier was massive too.

[@michaelfr6290]

Power levels actually make sense every time they’re used in the series and serve a good purpose to show how little the aliens really know. Fans also make it seem like they’re way more important than they actually are, when the story verbatim tells you that they’re an unreliable measurement due to suppressing ki. They don’t take away from the stakes like big tune implies. They don’t even take away from strategic fights or weird abilities, the namek and buu sagas are full of those. In og DB, the stronger fighter usually wins anyway and abilities/strats really only matter when they are close or equal in strength. I do agree that in hindsight they can seem a very silly. But then again, people complain about that then gas shin kikoho

[@corujarandompt9330]

The thing about the "power levels makes it a numbers game" is that it kinda doesn't cause of kaioken, it being introduced along with PLs makes it so goku has to use it strategically in order to overpower his enemies but also not fucking die 😂

[@kala1401]

Im so used to KZbinrs being inconsistent, and then there’s this guy. Truly a Sage.

[@hvmblx]

Ngl Sage i love the way you address problems not only because you have good points, but you then also include ways to fix said problems. You really are one of the few DB fans that actually put logic into what they say, i admire that alot.

[@D-money813]

nah b, you're bugging. we were so mind blown when frieza transformed to his his 2nd form and hit 1 million.

[@ShadowOfMassDestruction]

@@D-money813 Not really for me personally. Final Form is the only one that made me feel sh*t hit the ceiling.

[@TSO_Sage]

my issue is with 3rd not 2nd lol but 1mil didn’t need to be 1mil if power levels was a long term play

[@D-money813]

@@TSO_Sage ok ok, you right but we can take a step further and say goku shouldnt have been 180 after 6 days of space travel but we accepted that so we gotta accept this

[@marche800]

I disagree with his take on power levels. Never are power levels used as a clear indicator of who will win the fight. In the Saiyan Sage both major encounters are won by the weaker party using strategy and teamwork. Piccolo and Goku are much weaker than Raditz and the Z fighters are all weaker that Vegeta. The frieza fight is much the same way until Goku goes super saiyan and even then the two are evenly matched in power and the deciding factor is combat ability. I really don't think the fights become based solely on who's stronger until the Cell saga, where the story is basically an arms race to see who can achieve the higher level of power before the other and since then that hasn't really changed, albeit strategy is still always on the table like how Buu was defeated, or how the TOP ended.

[@scottylikeamelody]

Unless I am forgetting there is never an instance where someone with a higher power loses to someone with a lower level in a 1 on 1

[@kingdamazo7266]

18:07 I gotta be the only Dragon Ball fan who actually liked Frieza's 3rd form

[@ZMonkey03]

The talking dildo yeah I understand it was probably a reference to alien but the color palette and design wasn't it for me but pop off bro

[@UnlimitedRadioButNoSoap]

power levels aren't linear, so the jump from 180 to 400 might actually be bigger than 18,000 to 530,000 lol

[@Sonamous47]

Moral of the story, even the greatest has flaws

[@blacksaiyantrevor]

But weren't power levels considered a joke because they were introduced in the story to show just how pointless it was to rely on them? So

[@bitviper3430]

Ngl the pokeball might be equal to the Kamehameha in terms of being an icon

[@ItsBigTune]

I think your point about the Cell Saga is brilliant, I agree with that 100%. As always, much appreciated.

[@mosthatedty9585]

I feel like you agree with the power level point in the sense that it got out of hand but no matter what power levels would’ve eventually gotten out of hand like it happened with frieza. I feel like the reason he’s putting it at fault for the saiyan saga because it introduced it

[@fr0stdr4ke95]

26:02 I'd go so far as to say that there are 4 or even 5 distinct parts to Buu Saga. It starts with Gohan being a student, which Toriyama had to pivot from due to such a drastic change of pace. Then you have Babidi and Majin Vegeta. Trying to stop Buu's awakening. Then you have Buu being awakened. Then you have everything leading up to Super Buu. Then you have everything that happened until suddenly Kid Buu is the new antagonist, auto wins, and then Goku and Vegeta have to pull some shit out of their asses to beat Kid Buu in the afterlife.

[@vizqueljordan6700]

I really love the buu saga and I’m sad that no one ever talks about all the cool shit and moments from this arc

[@yjsoto1577]

This guy a just a small note to what you said in the beginning, for some reason some people like to hate on certain new and old anime either because their currently very successful or because they they have so much popularity do to their influence, Demon Slayer is always criticized for some of the dumbest reasons, and it comes of more of people hating it because it’s successful more than any actual issue it has, yes Demon Slayer has issues here and there but overall it’s a great anime that was able to wrap up its original manga run in just one volume, yes they are kinda of milking the final ark with a movie by that just means the animation is going to be the best it’s ever been, Dragon ball is often criticized for being too long or being overhyped or not being as good as people say it is, which bro does that really matter people still love it, you don’t have to hate on is cause you don’t like it and I hate some people will just hate on others anime just to give theirs more clout, yeah that’s all thanks for calling out that problem with people hating on Dragon Ball just because it has clout, it’s a problem other anime communities have had and I really hate that’s even a problem.

[@legendaryyetunknown6973]

Yu Yu Hakusho is my close favourite with Dragon Ball.

[@bagelpenguin6499]

I think one of the biggest problems with the Buu saga is Buu himself. He feels so much less important because there's no dynamic or relation between buu and the protagonists. Raditz was literally Goku's brother, so his fight held a lot of narrative weight. Vegeta and nappa were of a higher class of the same race. Goku managing to defeat them despite that showed a growth in Goku and Vegeta's character. Frieza's connections to both the namekians and saiyans gave him a lot of narrative weight and rivalry between him and the protagonists. While the androids at first seem very random, they do at least tie back to the red ribbon army which gives them some significance. Even then, cell still has some banter and rivalry with the cast that makes him memorable. Meanwhile Buu feels like a literal monster of the week. He has no pre-existing connection to any of the developed characters in the story. He's just some mindless monster that exists for the sole purpose of giving the protags someone to fight. He feels more like a dbz movie villain that drags out for an entire arc.

[@dominiquerobinson8888]

But you’re talking about a Buu problem not a problem of the saga. Buu himself doesn’t have a dynamic with any of the main characters but the saga itself builds some character moments with Gohan, Goku, and especially Vegeta. Also the rr army is connected to Dragonball but the androids themselves don’t have any strong dynamic. Goku is even MIA for the majority of it

[@DemanSmith]

Explaining Goku’s Flaws: 1.The senzu bean to cell was actually a good play, not only would cell have tried to end the fight with gohan quicker since he was already tired, he also knew of gohan’s potential seeing that in high stake events gohan would unlock some sort of upper power. So when cell healed up he basically gave gohan time to figure his own power out. Now dropping gohan, goten, trunks, piccolo for hercule and dende, was because of this Importance: Dende was crucial because he was the only one capable of healing others and restoring their energy. His survival was necessary for the eventual restoration of Earth and its inhabitants after the fight with Kid Buu. Goku likely recognized that Dende's survival was vital for the Dragon Balls to function again, as Dende was the one who recreated Earth's Dragon Balls after the original ones were destroyed. Hercule's Role in the Spirit Bomb: Hercule played a crucial role in convincing the people of Earth to give their energy for the Spirit Bomb, which was the only attack capable of defeating Kid Buu. While Goku might not have anticipated Hercule's specific role in this, his survival turned out to be critical for the final victory.

[@ChaddyFantome]

I agree Power levels didnt become an issue until Namek. Its around there we have to start giving characters all these boosts to catch up and the story kind of has to stall a lot or give them random hidden number increases to close to the gap to Frieza. Prior to that, it was okay.

[@lux3664]

Honestly piccolo needs a crazy moment where he’s the strongest even for his a bit crazy high stakes and him and goku make a different decision for gohan or smn, and piccolo don’t want fight but (high stakes high emotion yk yk) Buh goku not letting it go powers up, piccolo catches his fist wit one hand before the mf even take off the drip,piccolo being the strongest would be a great spectacle, like I said doe it would prolly have to be temporary, (borrowed power) (fuse wit kami but then they trained in time chamber) type shi

[@ViltrumiteIsRite99]

Bro, Imagine IF Dragon Ball was just OG DB, and finished at Namek’s destruction. Actual peak fiction. Legendary. YES, there’s ways to expand past that, but it leads to the power creep problem. Maybe end it at Cell with Gohan’s development. Then, continue the series with a bunch of DOPE movies.

[@macthedude9457]

Another thing about the zenkais was how inconsistent they were. Vegeta’s first zenkai only raised his power level around 5k-10k, but then later after his fight with Recoome he gets a zenkai that puts him on par with first form frieza. A NEARLY 500K INCREASE

[@bigheadJackman99]

I wouldn’t say that power levels are bad. They just kill all the tension. There’s only some many times someone can be suppressed then shock the audience with their true power level. It’s just that they are boring the person with the higher power level is gonna win the fight.

[@Blank578]

Power levels are fixed when a character says this person is stronger or say something vague like they are really powerful. The problem is that the exact numbers are used to represent power. It oversimplifies the concept of power and the gap between characters. It also puts alot more stress on a character getting stronger during a fight versus using a move or technique that they learned before that does crazy damage.

[@OldFolkz]

17:15 nah its mostly fusion. We already know fusion is disgustingly broken and since nail already had a power level of 50k it makes sense that piccolo got that strong even if he was previously getting slammed by nappa

[@oomsou5018]

Yeah the Zenkai boost basically is the death sentence to the relevance of the earthlings, like I know not every character needs to be the bestest fighter ever and they can have and do there own things but DBZ is super focused on fighting and being the strongest, it’s about surpassing your limits, but like Zenkai boost really only makes it that Saiyans will always be on top. Like Tien was one of the first proper rival to Goku before Piccolo showed up, even after it was still competitive and Tien wants to keep pushing himself and be able to beat Goku, but he simply will never catch up without the mother of all ass pulls and cheat codes. Like yeah Goku has trained really hard and keeps trying to surpass his limits, but some of the weight of it feels lessened because of Zenkai boost, it’s literally just a generic cheat code of like x30 exp boost.

[@dominiquerobinson8888]

The zenkais became irrelevant after the Namek saga. The only time it came into play afterwards was for Cell and Zamasu.

[@clayT1826]

If yu yu is referring to yu yu hakusho, I have no idea how it never wins polls. It's easily one of the best anime with the greatest tournament arc ever done

[@richborn6700]

Power levels and feats always scaled out of control quickly. You'd think getting to 1 million would be something big, like Super Saiyan. Your power level should be something like a SSJ 3 can blow up a planet, not Vegeta in the Saiyan Saga.

[@DjPrimeVideos]

A dbz video where the takes were medium rare? Interesting

[@yarc9]

Superman the movie it is so good it influenced the marvel cinematic universe

[@GregSmithIII]

2:22 The Ginyu Force wasn't anywhere near as highly anticipated and hyped up as the Androids were. Trunks literally came back in time to warn Goku and company about them. As soon as Goku touched down on Namek, the Ginyu Force became fodder. So, yeah, there's a valid reason why people separate "Android Saga" from "Cell Saga."

[@EliteRed36]

I think most people miss the point about power levels tbh. The whole point is that they are completely unreliable and almost worthless. They assigned a strength to an individual using arbitrary numbers and were literally used as the basis for a class system for the Saiyans and Frieza Force. It isn't a coincidence they were introduced in the same saga as the concepts for "Low-class" and "Elite" warriors were. From the Goku and Vegeta fight, the viewer is supposed to leave with the understanding that these power levels were completely worthless. Sure Vegeta had a higher power level, but he still lost against people who accordingly to their power levels, should not have even come close to matching him even when combined in strength. Frieza having a ridiculously high power level actually works really well with this in mind. Of course the epitome of this class system would have the highest power level you could imagine him having WHILE also not being able to sense his own power level nor being able to control his power like the Z Fighters are able to. Frieza serves as the ultimate foil to Goku, and this is yet another way he opposes Goku. TLDR; Power levels are a really cool concept to basically symbolize the class system that set limits to characters in a show who's MC is all about pushing higher and higher past those limits. It was always worthless as a measuring system, and is thrown out completely once Goku defeats Frieza, who is almost a representation of that class system, as the point is already established

[@denilsonvalenzuela5858]

I don't know man, I like goku completely destroying nappa because we see how much of a monster he is & ofc showing how much of a monster vegeta is later on. I will say it would have been better if goku had a tougher fight with the ginyu force because of how much they were hyped up

[@RedMoonLoop]

Buu saga is frustrating because the problem isnt really any one individual idea being bad. The problem is a product of how weekly mangas are written combined with toriyama clearly wanting to be done with the story. It feels like he tried to jam as many ideas into one saga that could have easily been split into separate unrelated sagas.

[@raaraa5058]

Wait didn’t Piccolo get a buff after the Saiyan Saga because of the training with King Kai? Even Yamaha, Tien, AND CHIAOTZU could scrap with Ginyu Force in the after life lol Then Piccolo got an additional buff from absorbing Nail which put him at that Second Form level. I agree with everything else you said about Piccolo though! I love him man. Wish we would’ve gotten more of him back then

[@bobbyweight2170]

Love when db mentioned as one of best fictional stories of all time instead of best anime. It’s the best anime by far and my favourite fictional thing ever! Goku is TV goat

[@davionsoswole]

DBZ ABRIDGED funny asf & your funny asf combine the two & we got magic frl‼️

[@vdarkwraith]

the ONLY thing that could be as iconic as a kamehameha is the pokeball fr.

[@Espurr.8]

When it comes to Dragon ball i don't now how to feel

[@eranshachar9954]

I do power scaling for fun so I don't mind them. For me it's the Saiyans shine and non Saiyan are thrown away for the Saiyan arc. Because my favorite characters are not Saiyans so it's making me angry sometimes. In moments of focusing on the two most powerful ones (at that point in time), I admire Bejita's strength but I don't like the character. I do however love Kakarrot so at least one. When it comes to the Namek and Cell arcs I agree with him. Cell as a whole is a problem for me because I am not a fan of his. Besides his freakish strength he is not that interesting to me. As for the Boo saga my problem was different. I understand why saving Dende but why Mr. Satan. Gohan should've been there to destroy Kid Boo in 5 minutes because he is the strongest at the time.

[@VileThaMercenary]

Friezas base power wasn't that bad it's the fact his final form ended up being 120 mill but I can imagine i do wish powerlevels were still scaled to this day and i mean officially

[@stretch3744]

Imagine if piccolo fused w kami before namek lol

[@jg5004]

I just didn’t really like the major change they had in Vegeta from Freeza to Android. He went from being shady, sneaky and even throw sand in someone’s eyes when he was losing to his pride keeping him from playing unfair.

[@jg5004]

Power levels whole purpose of being introduced to as to show they were unreliable.

[@nickalas666]

he cook on that gohan take

[@arkkon2740]

Okay okay im tired af with this argument at 15:13 You can make a character not relevant in an arc without taking them out of the picture entirely. In part 3 of JoJo, there are many situations where Jotaro either couldn't or doesn't know how to solve the situation at hand, thus putting him on the bench. Araki didn't write him out because a character got stronger than him, araki didn't kill him off because he's far too strong, but the limitations of him as a character and as a fighter give others the spotlight where they can succeed. Toriyama did this with the humans, however it was purely because of how far the power creep goes and its entirely unreasonable given how stready the power creep was prior in comparison. Multipliers became too common for the story to use as a boon; it was always 5 times, 10 times, 3 times the power thats already 50 times base. Its unneeded amounts of growth that only gets faster for the sake of hype, but toriyama and toei have so many issues when it comes to building hype that they might as well kill off the human cast because they serve no purpose outside of exposition. This isn't even just about power scaling anymore, the humans become so obsolete that trying to bring them back in some way *must* be battle related otherwise people wont pay attention as much, and it might make people ask even more questions if they do make it battle related. We got that with the Saiyaman, Gohan being so powerful makes you question why he sticks to only his city and not to the rest of the planet. Trying to make Goten and Trunks relevant created one of the biggest failures in terms of character you've seen in the series. We get this with buu, he is almost nothing as a character and every opportunity to make him relevant and more of a personality is squandered for a bit. DBSSH does this with piccolo and gohan AGAIN, his power just doesn't make sense and they cut to him being the strongest ever with zero work while Piccolo got his strength from a contrivance. I'd say they did it with Frieza of all people, and this isn't that hot of a take but you must realize that his potential is a permanent aspect of his being. Until Frieza gets nerfed and his growth is brought to a halt, he and Gohan will continue the cycle of starting and stopping while their strength grows in magnitudes with little to nothing in between. Also I gotta say, DB getting a lot of attention doesn't inherently make it good. Influence shouldn't be a 1:1 correlation with quality because you see all types of people championing weird shit that comes out of Japan Plus a yugioh card, a pokeball, and pikachu itself are far more iconic that what db's been pumping out, no idea why people even debate it

[@bagelpenguin6499]

That's so true, the human characters literally do nothing after the cell saga. I'm not asking for them to kill the main antagonist, but let them contribute SOMEHOW.

[@Prime1Wunna]

Did you just compare a yugihoh card or a pokeball to SON GOKU? 😂😂😂

[@arkkon2740]

@@Prime1Wunna yes, yes I did As a matter of fact, you remember the Master Sword? *The* metroid? Mario's mushrooms? All of them, you'd recognize them all before a ball of light

[@pric3lessl0s3r5]

@@arkkon2740 Ultra instinct>>>

[@jamesbuijs6742]

One thing i dont like about the namek saga is the fastest way to get stronger isnt training or fighting its being offscreen. we watch characters go through hardship to get stronger and goku arrives and from training for a few days he has overome all the strength and zenkai that vegeta had and then piccolo arrives and spending like 2 days on king kais and he is stronger than that goku, and goku heals in the pod one 1 zenkai while vegeta gets a few and yet goku outclasses his easily.

[@Timiplier2]

db is what helped naruto exist and a lot more

[@suivatra123]

Dragonball is easithe most influential anime. Aura and energy blasts from the hands made its way into Pokemon. Pokémon may be the most popular anime but it's not as influential

[@BlazingLiger27]

I do have to dissagree with the buu saga being too long, having just re ready dbz this last week. Manga wise, it zooms by kid buu isn't in any of the manga till the last volume for like 4 chapters, and they fly through all the super buu stuff. Now, the anime that's a different story, maybe. It's been a while since i watched it.

[@Soda09865]

I think power levels make a lot of sense even in namek

[@davionsoswole]

Yo bro love your videos HERES a recommendation REACT TO DBZ ABRIDGED like make a whole ass series bro going to do well ‼️‼️

[@riskbabyk]

gotta watch yuyu man it was my peak before op

[@REALGotTheGlock]

Especially after the passing of Akira Toriayama id have to say the manga does everything better

[@denilsonvalenzuela5858]

I have to disagree with the Gohan saving Goku instead of Vegeta. Like cell was in his 2nd form, any super Saiyan form was going to cook him. I don't see how we can get to a situation where gohan have to say goku from cell when cell lost his perfect form

[@bobbyweight2170]

Power levels gets fucked as series progresses. But you have to remember. Friezas army is the prominent force is the universe going back to at least king cold. Which is basically governed by power levels and scouters. Without it there would be a massive gap. Frieza has best tech and 000s of solders. And the basis of dragon ball is that throughout space there are 000s of different warriors and species and their job is taking over 000s of planets. If there was no power levels there would 000s of KZbin videos comparing that in this world it’s unbelievable they haven’t found a way to detect power levels. Then to increase and reduce them when necessary

Don't namakians when they fuse get a real high power boost higher then regular fusion

[@bullphrogva1804]

For me in the Saiyan Arc, it's Raditz just being a blimp on the radar character. Also if you've read Dragon Ball Super's manga, it has negative retrospective effects on Raditz life and death. Did Raditz look like he was thriving at all in Vegeta's crew? Hell no. We're introduced to this runt character that has so much lore potential and he gets killed off in short notice. I would have saved the character for the Namek arc, maybe have him in the Ginyu force. Goku in Namek interacting with Raditz would have been so much more interesting than Saiyan Arc Goku.

[@dominiquerobinson8888]

He was supposed to be a runt character lol. His purpose was to introduce Goku’s orgin story. Them being brothers was to emphasize how different and merciless saiyans are. As for Super I just took that as something Bardock hoped for not a literal wish

[@BobbyMoore2-mp8wb]

I love ❤️ Ultimate Gohan

[@devinknox7558]

the fight with raditz proved that power isn't everything.

[@Mr.SuperPerfectCell]

Nah this my saga aint no android nonsense.

[@cameronthibodo1350]

Gohan should have beat Buu showing his growth from his mistake against cell.

[@Ghee_story_time]

I think we can all agree that this mf goku jump-started the oblivious mc chain lol

[@BobbyMoore2-mp8wb]

I love ❤ the Garlic Jr saga

[@standley_steamers]

19:03 oh nahhhhh

[@trashdakid3682]

It's not a problem for me, but I think Gotenks should have beat Super Buu. Goten and Trunks should have become serious when they saw Buu killing their friends and family. Goten literally saw his mom get turned into a scramble egg. That would have been a better reason for their fusion form to unlock ssj3. That way, we get to see a serious match between Gotenks and Super Buu, which results in Gotenks winning. Gohan can come back and live his normal life, and Goku can stay dead and train all he wants. We do miss out on Vegito and Kid Buu though.

[@dominiquerobinson8888]

Gotenks himself beating Buu was never gonna be on the board. You would’ve had to have Gohan leading it with Gotenks as the support or just go with the original ending. The story was already building up Gohan with his training on the Kai planet, so you can’t just do nothing with that

[@mals-nk8nt]

enjoying the vid

[@piccolorick1191]

were the rest of the marine ford arc?? pt 2!

[@RandyFearacer_oh-gx7nf]

my man posted w in the chat???

[@mr.j9103]

17:10 It doesn’t NEED to make sense, it’s PROVOCATIVE😒

[@ChocolateFishBrains]

"Dragonball declined in the Cell saga." This is objectively correct. The Cell saga is when Dragonball viewership started declining in the US and in Japan. You can't ignore the facts.

[@raidenpainn1561]

Goku going from 90m to final form Frieza is fine but Piccolo going from Nappa to 2nd form Frieza is too much for you?

[@eldinovm8077]

cell shouldve just died from the explosion, making gohan regret his decisions and learn from them, in the buu saga instead of retreading the same plotline gohan shouldve overcompensated and try to end the fight too early (this would mean gohan wouldnt be AS strong post potential unleashed) therefore rushing and making a mistake, a mistake he wouldnt have made if he had trained for 7 years.

[@parkerjunior1]

Gohan did regret from his decision,He literally admitted himself

[@arkkon2740]

​@@parkerjunior1 thats until you realize that goku had an extra wish under his belt The moment doesnt become as somber when you can just have goku teleport out, cause we dont even get a reason why he doesnt do that other than because he chooses to

[@rinuchiha6961]

Because he chose to? Surely you jest? If you read the manga, you'd know that Goku didn't even have a second to use instant transmission. The moment he appeared on King Kai planet, Cell exploded. Goku didn't have time to lock onto any of his friends ki signature

[@arkkon2740]

@@rinuchiha6961 "the moment" he had was a bit to talk to king kai and he had enough time to react before Cell exploded. He had decent enough time to come back, but thats not even what I'm talking about since this is about *after* he died And cell came back moments after the fact, meaning Gohan's signature was enough for him to lock onto, which means it was enough for Goku to lock onto

[@eldinovm8077]

@@parkerjunior1 well yeah but he still beat cell imagine the regret if he had the power to beat him but didn’t get the win even after goku died

[@ashrafuddin8753]

Buu saga is not actually as long as the anime makes it seem like. The manga version has better pacing.

[@quintenmulder1371]

My biggest gripe with the cell / android saga is that it narratively doesn’t make sense. Dr. Gero with android 20 was fully prepared to kill the Z fighters, but if he thought he could kill them then why would he go through the trouble of kidnapping teenagers and turning them into 17 and 18. And gero is perfectly capable of making strong robots like 16 who was stronger than 17 and 18. Next there gohans passive nature. Gohan crying when the cell jr was beating up the z fighters makes no sense. Crying is something sayain saga gohan would do and he learned in that arc why he can’t just sit back and do nothing cause people will die, and we see this in the namek saga where he immediately gets angry and jumps in to protect the namekians from dedoria. Yet he’s crying when the z fighters are getting bullied? It makes no sense imo

[@ChocolateFishBrains]

Pay attention to the numbers. Gero is 19. He turned himself into an android AFTER he made 17 and 18.

[@quintenmulder1371]

@@ChocolateFishBrains that doesn’t answer any of my questions but okay 👍🏿

[@ChocolateFishBrains]

@quintenmulder1371 What it does is demonstrate that your complaint about it not making sense narratively is actually that you didn't pay attention to the story at all. Gero wasn't an android when he made 16, 17, and 18. He was still human. He determined that 17 and 18 were too difficult to control and made himself into an android and then made 20.

[@tomcollierblognation136]

Sage! .....sage sage....stop messing around with this old bs and GET BACK TO KAKUMAI!!!😂

[@ItsRadiantOfficial]

Peak vid😂

[@alexragusa6391]

Nobody said snake way??

[@Beapartofthemovement]

Can we get bk some UDY videos

[@sturdyosama]

I WAS ON STREAAMMMM!!!!!!

[@j2sketchy]

I also noticed years ago the weird hate boners for Dragon Ball, I always thought it was hella weird. Some anime elitists 😂

[@therealhotwatts2606]

sage inna a tank?

Def gohan should have won

[@ffyhvftg-dc1rw]

Majin Vegeta should have defeated buu