Massey Ferguson Backhoe Rotary Swing Cylinder Rebuild

[@peterhoiland6715]

Watching you break those bolts loose gave me sympathetic back and shoulder pain.

[@No1Bigbear]

Amen brother!

[@Frank-Thoresen]

It was painful watching. I was even afraid he would beat his fingers on the tabletop

[@jlucasound]

Isn't it amazing how things like this are DRENCHED in oil. Oil everywhere!! Except on the threads of the bolts you need to remove to fix it. Figures.

[@bigpatrck2]

There’s something satisfying about hearing those bolts break loose.

[@FishFind3000]

As long as your not breaking your knuckles at the same time.

[@stephencroft761]

I rebuilt an air operated Twiflex brake for an elevator. It had a 4 sided “o” ring that cost us $562 I actually wore the old one as a necklace for a few years and honestly it was the most expensive piece of jewelry in our house.

[@Tjm5656]

Hearing the bitterness in your voice for a $126 gasket is hilarious to me. Love your Channel. Big fan from North Carolina

[@lostintime8651]

you're not paying for the part. you are paying for the cost to store it until someone buys it.

[@djkokki]

@@lostintime8651 I'd still say that $120 for storage is probably a bit steep :P

[@TheFool2cool]

@@lostintime8651 Lol what sort of logic is this

[@tomkrause62]

@@TheFool2cool Make no mistake, corporate America has the storage cost of that part calculated.

[@richardjones5255]

@@djkokki @djkokki No wonder warehouse building is becoming popular these days.

[@ringodooby]

Your framing and editing on those disassembly shots were great. That really stood out

[@WatchWesWork]

I'm trying!

[@WatchWesWork]

I bought the seals from the AGCO dealer. That's the only place I know to get them. Please do not email me to ask this.

[@ckm-mkc]

Interesting, didn't realize they were tapered - is the fix just to replace the parts or can you machine a sleeve for the bottom piece? Also, does it have to be tapered - maybe straight splines are a cheaper option, would be a tighter fit than now. With used machinery going for top dollar right now due to lack of new equipment, might be worth it. But, hey, what do I know, just commenting from my armchair. Anyway, great job on the fix.

[@TreyCook21]

@@ckm-mkc I did the same. Drinking my coffee and typing. I'm not sure why it couldn't just be welded together. But again, **sips coffee** I don't even know what's going on.

[@jongmassey]

Hell, the seal kit came bloody close to the value of the machine!

[@JHruby]

@@jongmassey No way. For the age I would consider that machine to be in excellent condition overall. The problem with backhoes is they tend to get work to death before they even hit the used market. Machinery like this that is working it's worth fixing because the alternative is to spend more money and get a machine that's in much worse condition even if it is newer.

[@mastertech7104]

Don't Sweat it Wes, there are many arm chair quarterbacks is this world and most of them could not change a light bulb, never mind do your job. Keep up the great work.

[@charlesmoore3321]

The stage for sticker shock was set the second you said Cessna.

[@russgier4409]

Took a tour of the Cessna fluid power division in 1978 at Hutchison KS

[@FishFind3000]

@@russgier4409 and?

[@lolatmyage]

Yeah those seals probably do double duty on some planes

[@bobberg3010]

Had a neighbor who had one of these, the lack of parts and prices of parts it was cheaper to keep a 5 gal pan of hyd fluid around

[@billforrest4205]

Very well done man, I had to do the same leaky seal repair on the Uk version (Massey Ferguson 35 industrial tractor with backhoe & front loader) I ended up dressing the splines with hard facing mma electrode. (Not exactly the done thing but 2 years later it still doesn't slop) Most of the seals etc I sourced by size from totally different applications as there was no way the cost was justifiable o the age of the old girl. She digs, and she doesn't leak, so so far so good!

[@qscfthn67]

Any information that you have for the seals that you used would be greatly appreciated, I bought the white Teflon seals but like you said I can't justify the price for the 2 piece ones.

[@jazzerbyte]

I've never seen the inside of a rotary swing cylinder - it's a beast!

[@philparrott4424]

I had one just like this, the same cylinder had a problem on mine. I learned to use it with a controlled swing. Move it so far to the left or right and knew it was going just a little further.

[@jdmccorful]

A skilled operator!

[@dsw.handcraft]

The moment you've started cranking the engine I said out loud: That is a Perkins... Just a second later, there was a text in the video: Perkins.... Hehehe I own a tractor with the Perkins 4.236 engine on it, and as soon as the outside temp. drops below 10°C you have to use glow plug to start it. When the outside temp. is higher, it starts instantly! In spite of that i still have a soft spot for Perkins engines. They seem to be fairly "live" on the throttle. Keep up the good work, and best of luck from DSW Handcraft

[@crazyfvck]

That's the first time that I have ever seen the inside of one of those rotary cylinders. Very interesting :)

[@earboit5145]

Hi Wes, something to try next time you have worn splines is 24 hour Araldite epoxy. We use it on most splines on our cane harvesters. It takes a good beating during the season and seems to hold up very well. That slop in the splines is taken up and more wear is prevented. The only catch is, it’s difficult to get stuff separated for disassembly. Relatively inexpensive repair and worth a try. Give Molykote 111 a try for your seal and o’ring lube. Great product for resealing hydraulic cylinders.

[@sixtyfiveford]

These companies and the prices they charge for parts is ridiculous sometimes.

[@uggadugga2832]

I major lift company dealer parts department once tried to charge me 970 dollars for a reseal kit for a lift cylinder. Took the old packing to a seal store and he put together a kit for me for less than 40 bucks. Makes you wonder who is pocketing what.

[@donweeks2166]

Your dad did a good job training you. you did a good job learning.

[@DovetailTimberworks]

"If they do have them they're really proud of them" 😂

[@Recedinghairline180]

came here to comment this lol!

[@TedBishop1]

yeah it's like they really want to keep them

[@lolatmyage]

"no lowballers we know what we got"

[@henrikjonsson4340]

Hehe that means pretty "cheap" :)

[@mauricelackey5324]

How else can they sell you a $80,000 machine to replace a $30,000 machine except to make more expensive to fix the old one.

[@zerge83]

0:33 thanks for demonstratively dipping your hand in that lake of oil, I've almost didn't notice it was leaking.

[@scottfoster2487]

A wee bit of weld on the splines can take some of the slop out.Another awesome job.

[@WatchWesWork]

I don't think that's a job for me!

[@Trlthericklang]

While that engine was cranking I was skeptical. Then I see “Perkins” which made me laugh. Im convinced a Perkins needed ether to start from day 1.

[@FishFind3000]

I’d like to see the cylinders and hoses repaired in the next video

[@rodneyskinner7741]

Unfortunately this happens much too often, you can’t find parts, many of the builders have went out of business.

[@brianjohnston9822]

When you see operators use the swing action to push junk out of the way I now have visualization of the shafts that take abuse.

[@jdmccorful]

Good point!

[@MitzvosGolem1]

It voids CAT warranty to side push by swinging. Cracks books also

[@juztyn00]

The farmer in me says you should of stuffed a beer can in there to "tighten" up those splines. Has to be a cheap beer though...

[@dereksollows9783]

Is that a 'thing'? The concept of taking-up the lash in the splines I mean, not necessarily using a beer can. Anyone ever do that and come out a winner? How long will it last?

[@stormchaser8605]

Wes! Please make a video on fixing those loader cylinders and all the other hoses. I know it takes effort but I learn so much from this "simple stuff" and enjoy seeing the process. Cheers from Texas

[@NICK-uy3nl]

I wouldn't call it a 'poor' design. After 60 years in service, I am surprised those splines are still holding up and those seals looked original

[@NICK-uy3nl]

@@Nighterlev - very true. and those splines being at the bottom, probably received a large dose of sand and dirt over the years, grinding them down to nothing, it's surprising they have lasted as long as they have, a simple rubber cover would have protected them from debris and damage

[@rick_.]

I wonder if the shaft could be be pinned? Might not be removable after if gets tweaked from use, but could buy a few more years out of the machine.

[@tacomas9602]

@@NICK-uy3nl how many fudd backhoe operators do you think actually grease their machine? I guarantee most don't. Especially people who don't own the machine.

[@sarto7bellys]

“ Hot dog in a hallway” ha ha, in England it’s a sausage up an entry or pr*ck in a shirtsleeve

[@johnlemmey7698]

In Oz it's a" A cock in a sock"

[@Mikeattempts]

Nice repair. $750 just for seals and one of those was $126 by itself?!? That's insane!

[@tacomas9602]

It's not that bad if you really think about all the work this machine can do. But $450 would be a much better price. Lol

[@kutamsterdam]

This Dutch fan's drinkin' buddies had to just wait because a vid from his vid-buddy Wes came in, it was a pleasure to watch you work 🛠again Wes, thanks man.

[@ChevyConQueso]

Watching these old tractor videos has convinced me you need as many parts machines as possible if you plan to run 50+ year old equipment. There is so much to go wrong, and unlike a Ford or Chevy, you don't have the aftermarket there to bail you out. It's a shame because there's a lot of old iron out there with relatively simple problems, yet no way to feasibly fix them for cheap.

[@bfe671]

Wow. That swing cylinder is completely and unnecessarily complicated. Glad I own a Case backhoe. Cheap parts and easy to fix.

[@longrider8265]

As you were hoisting the cylinder out I was thinking ‘be careful with that chain - you are going to scratch the paint’ 😀 Great job as always Wes

[@briandrew8684]

Wes you're the man, love the fact you're not afraid to hop right in to new projects. Keep up the good work brother

[@thomascluney1730]

I've got an international tractor backhoe just like that I'm trying to get the motor starter the cylinders are Rusty

[@TheAndy331]

Thank you!! for Not putting annoying music !!!! Just you and the sound of your tools. It's a relief after watching videos where the jam music in every second.

[@OakesProject]

Those bolts are really going to be hard to take out for the next guy, now that you fixed the automatic cap screw oiler demonstrated at the beginning of the video.

[@thomasdesmond2248]

Wess when working on something big and round like that. I make a wooden v block. I put a rubber mud flap in the block. Then sit the round item in the block. I then run a strap over the top. This holds the item while breaking bolts lose and working on it. God bless

[@franssteenbergh8358]

that machine aint old Wes, I am from 1948 and I am still a young guy...just lived a while... nice video,,,later...

[@marksbikeexports5123]

watching Wes work is so much better than watching Mark work.....................from behind his eyes

[@johnburch6927]

One thing I do very little of anymore is hydraulic work. I will say that I did enjoy doing cylinders and regular maintenance but one place i worked had quite a few Detroit powered Water blasters, not sure why but repacking that equipment was enjoyable, I know, what a geek.

[@taylorjones4574]

Thank you for this video it makes me 100% more confident in removing and rebuilding my massey i have a similar Massey 50A looks identical but my back hoe can also slide side to side like a corner mount

[@erickwport]

Yeah Agco and their proud parts, I rebuilt one of these with u-cup hydraulic seals from local shop for around $40. So far about 100 hours on machine and no leaks yet. Not saying its right but for the $1,000 Agco wanted, i can rebuild again if it fails. Also Vaseline made it much easier to reassemble. Love the channel Wes

[@lwilton]

Sounds like any time you get your hands on one of those gold parts you should cross reference it to Grainger or Motion Industries or the like.

[@tacomas9602]

Someone needs to start a database for these old machines, digitally of course

[@horacerumpole6912]

Good job there Wes, I can imagine the operator of this rig (knowing it's limitations), has gotten pretty good at knowing how to control and allow for overtravel when running this rig. Rather sporty price on the gasket! Try owning a car built by an aircraft manufacturer…I can relate brother!

[@zlindauer5315]

would have loved to see you weld some splines on. just to fill in some space. you the man wes!!!

[@phooesnax]

That spline looks like a job for abom79 Nice work Wes

[@anthonydefreitas6006]

I was thinking the same thing.

[@jakeduffin4626]

I had a Massey tractor and sold it because the parts were so ridiculously expensive and sometimes difficult to get. Great video Wes!

[@garynew9637]

Yes and crappy engineering back then.

[@Trevinator1990]

im about to go look at a backhoe with this cylinder setup on it. now i know what to look for as far as wear and leaks on that part!

[@MatthewJorgensen1968]

Finally, something engineered to be fixed without having to disassemble the whole machine...

[@bluegrallis]

Something you don't see on much newer equipment.

[@duanek9892]

I was worried the cylinder wouldn't come out without removing the backhoe...at least that part of the design was good....very interested in seeing more on this one.

[@jamestamu83]

What a great general maintenance channel! A person can learn a LOT by watching this man work.

[@wornoutwrench8128]

I have run into the worn out spline scenario before too. Cheap and easy fix as long as the customer knows that it is the last fix, is to use an industrial metal repair epoxy putty on the splines. A thin coat on both sets of splines and assemble, wait required time to harden and away you go. You can never get it apart ever again I tried to look up the stuff we used, its been too many years and I cant remember the proper name. Belladona or something like that. I can't find it anywhere. Great stuff. The millwrights in the pulp mills used it lots, that is where I got the idea from. If you do it right it will last forever but you only get the one chance.

[@ursixx]

Nice camera ,lighting , sound and editing Wes

[@TechGorilla1987]

I was quite happy to see the big wrenches and brute force used in the beginning. Power tools are nice, but there is something satisfying about a bolt breaking loose with a lot of effort, but the right tools. It's kind of primal to 'break' something loose. I watch a guy break down engines and he uses manual ratchets on the head bolts. It's a satisfying snap when they crack loose.

[@korvtm]

Seeing where you wrote Perkins reminded me of a couple Forklifts a company I used to work for had.They were powered by the 6 Cylinder engine that Perkins built that were originally designed as a Diesel but by changing pistons and a few other mods they were set up to run on gasoline.Company then had the engines converted to propane.Buyer could never figure out why those forklifts spent more time in the repair shop than they did working.We used to make bets on which one would break down first.Then Vendor that sold the machines could not get parts for us and no one else in town would even try.

[@WatchWesWork]

Some people love Perkins engines. I'm not a fan. I've rebuilt a few and have never been impressed.

[@MRrwmac]

You did the best you could staying within the customers limitation! Nice work!

[@ThatOliverGuyChris]

Pretty much the same cessna motor as on my Oliver backhoe. Mine was leaking out the top. Fortunately Oliver put the motor on top, so I just had to pull the cover, replace the quad and oring and slap it back together. No more leak and I could safely be oblivious to spline wear. Until you posted this....

[@WatchWesWork]

Heh. I imagine they are all sloppy at this point.

[@JimNichols]

@12:52 I was feeling that spiral snap ring cut the new seal, if that had been me I can guarantee it happening. Dude I keep telling you, you have a couple hundred grand in shop and tooling, have a huge customer base and these cats in the comments have a 500$ swivel chair and a 200$ keyboard. There are a million ways to fix stuff, been in the sleet, in the middle of a corn field working on a broke locomotive and needed copper washers before. Used a drill and punched 10 pennies out with 1/4 holes and wallaha.... zinc works well as a sealing washer. Approved methodology? Nope. Get the job done and make tracks for a warm place? Yep. If these cats know so much they should have their own shop and make videos, Brother. Personally I love the ride along and the videos, thanks for the time and effort you put into each and everyone and the care you have for all your followers even the critics.

[@mikegraham7078]

I had a JD 450 crawler loader backhoe that had one of those cylinders on it. They work great when they're in good shape, but certainly they're not as straightforward to repair as a 'normal' back-hoe swing arrangement. One of the nice things about them is that they have a ridiculous amount of travel, and full strength all the way along. You don't lose power at the edges of the swing. Nice when they work.

[@jeremybrown2758]

Favorite way to wake up on a Saturday. Cup of coffee and watch Wes work

[@garyanderson4374]

"Hotdog in a hallway"...love it!

[@Military-Museum-LP]

It’s one of my favorites from Wes.

[@martehoudesheldt5885]

years back they made a replace kit that turned it from rotary to twin cylinder for these you might find one in a wrecking yard sometime . as for rotator, recast the piece on tractor and grind the shaft to tighten slop , or make brass teeth shim to fill the void.

[@jackrichards1863]

Most importantly!! Thank you Wes . You showed inside one of those things that I've wanted to know that much about for a very long time!

[@zeusapollo8688]

I ran a perkasaurus that started hard like that. You had one good shot on fully charged batteries.

[@tacomas9602]

Our Massey Ferguson 165 diesel is a bitch to start. It needs to spin faster than it does in the winter. Only good solution is 24v to the starter or block heater lmao

[@sallybrokaw6124]

Wes,Massey combines used Cessna pumps also. A rebuild kit was available but they never held. Always bought new pumps.

[@bostedtap8399]

Very specialised equipment, not very common, so not a cheap price, unless you know the generic part number. Intricate job Wes, thanks for sharing. Regards John.

[@donaldoldaker7258]

I have a massy Ferguson 50D INDUSTRIAL backhoe loader. I'm GONIN TO do the same rebuild my self. I GOT IT FOR NOTHING IVE REBUILD THE TILT CYLINDERS AND THE LIFT NOW IM GONNIN TO DO THE ROTARY.YOUR VIDEO IS VERY HELPFUL THANK YOU

[@lawrenceveinotte]

I owned a 66 Ford 4400 for about 20 years, it had two cylinders and a piece of chain for the swing, it had lots of slop, you learn to lean it a little by tilting one side using the stabilizer, that way it returned to the same spot, funny story, i bought the machine from the guy who operated it from new for a local city, when he retired he bought it, when i bought it off him i said i'd have it moved the 100 miles to my place, nope he said he would just drive it, he loved driving it, took him a day and a half at 15mph lol

[@TheMetalButcher]

Haha, yup, the lean is a trick I use too.

[@markrandall1456]

All righty now. We got a double play. A devil laugh proceeded by a poop grunt. Those bad boys were tight! Thanks for the fun.

[@blueboat5917]

If it's not too late, I'd try packing those splines with JB Weld. A John Deere restoration expert has been doing that with the steering drag links on wide front end tractors. Some of them have lasted years. It might not work, but it would be cheap to try.

[@nigelmchugh5541]

Very interesting, remember my dad sealing one of these in the late 70's. When we needed a mesh screen for the bottom of the transmission ( instant reverse) the local dealer had to order it in from the USA ( to Ireland).

[@siemenstraffic]

I didn't know that Jiffy Lube technicians moonlighted for Cessna back in the 1960's Those bolt where on tight!

[@harveylong5878]

nah, they werent crossthreaded, heads rounded off

[@princepa123]

Nice rebuild Wes. I'm always impressed at what you can accomplish working alone.

[@van1196]

Love your video content. From golf carts to backhoes and everything in between.

[@davetaylor4741]

The variety of work you tackle is amazing. That is what living in a rural area does for you. I do the same but with building work. The more trades I cover the more work there is. That old girl will live a bit longer just don't be in the trench its digging that head slop will kill you. Sure I saw a guy on KZbin that spray welds parts like that and re cuts them. Very clever process and a lot of skill.

[@LiveeviL6969]

Just witnessed the very moment where a smart man makes even a smarter decision 6:40.

[@leninmi7579]

She fit right back in like a glove, nice work! 👍❤️✌️. Old tractors never die, it's just you can't get parts or when you can..they are as good as gold.

[@traincndr1]

I remember driving a backhoe just like that one

[@makingithappen5178]

It does not leak and that was the problem. Mission accomplished.

[@hullinstruments]

PLEASE Do some electronics videos!! I love all of your content but I would kill for more electronics troubleshooting videos. I enjoy your straightforward approach, while incorporating even complex troubleshooting tactics.

[@roxanneabbott8424]

You are a smooth operator!! Love watching you Wes!!!

[@stevenwdoolittle1195]

You should have gotten a ton more subscribers latley. Ive been promoting you because i love what you do and you are a wealth of knowledge!

[@FeralPreacher]

The only surprise I got was the Perkins flash. I had a Perkins 4-108 in a sailboat that would start on a whisper of 12V on the starter every time. Never should have sold that boat. Great job on the non-total repair. Smarter to just put it back together and move on. Still mostly functional and not leaking as much. Looking forward to the cylinder repairs and new hoses. Thanks for sharing.

[@WatchWesWork]

I had a Bobcat with a 4.108. Threw a rod through the block. I patched it, ground the crank, and rebuilt it. It ran great but it was horrible to start. It had glow plugs or it would never have started.

[@dfross87]

@@WatchWesWork We have 3 Perkins motored tractors here (two 6.306 and a 4.270), and they all start beautifully. 6.306 sounds fantastic too. That said, it doesn't get nearly as cold here as it does in your neck of the woods. Coldest ever recorded here is -3C (about 27F).

[@craigdreisbach5956]

Tremendous teaching. For me the two take-aways were: 1) How much torque you needed with a pipe wrench just to get some static motion (no hydraulic pressure) on the motor. 2.) How to tell the difference between a cylinder seal leak and a valve leak on hydraulics (bucket or otherwise). Best Regards. Craig

[@hedydd2]

The bigger mid 70's MF70 backhoe has two swing rams mounted low down and the bushes wore slightly at each end of both rams to give an amazing amount of slop.

[@joelmiller2504]

I could watch heavy equipment repairs for hours and hours. Thanks Wes.

[@danmartinelli160]

If someone asked me to do this job I would have burst into tears! Great job and well done mate 👍 Dan Downunder

[@stumpy2816]

Think u earned your wages breaking loose those bolts. Interesting video Wes thanks

[@erikrunas226]

Another fascinating episode. I have had the pleasure of running a couple of backhoes with that type of swing cylinder and had no idea how those functioned. Thank you.

[@87FordMudder]

6:46 You need a chain vise, my man. They're also handy as heck for pulling cylinders apart.

[@moconnell663]

I'm going to have to pay closer attention the next time I see one of those backhoe attachments. I thought they all had push-pull cylinders for the rotation axis.

[@globin010252]

by the end of this video, you will see why most use push pull cylinders

[@johnvitro5908]

That is a old timer Nice repair Thx

[@martintaylor984]

I love the voice over end-tro

[@davidgarrett7067]

Hey from Scotland, great video as always. I love your videos and watch every one you fire out, would love to see more if you have the time to do so. All the best to you and the family. Dave

[@briancasey4917]

Watched Matt at Diesel Creek. He's working on a Clark loader. He got it running. If he gets it moving, I'd have to put him slightly ahead in my Saturday morning lineup, but you fixing that hydraulic motor was great although I agree those splines looked bad and I know what it takes to make new ones. Did that back when I was a machinist. Love your channel always something different. 👍

[@manowaari]

Interesting video, have never seen that kind of hydraulic cylinder taken apart!

[@ronlind1757]

Great video Wes! $126 for that seal!! I think the parts guy had the decimal point one place to the right....

[@DovetailTimberworks]

Really appreciated seeing the inside of that, thank you.

[@AntonioClaudioMichael]

Very cool rebuild on that swing cylinder @Watch Wes Work

[@flamingskoda]

Always wondered how those slew motors worked. I drove a Ford 550 with a similar set up. Slew wasn't that powerful. Digging on a slope it wouldn't slew uphill unless you brought the bucket in near to the back of the machine. I expect these motors were used to avoid the Wainroy patent on the two ram system. JCB had a different "rack and pinion" set-up. The early ones weren't enclosed and used to go bang when a stone went through the workings.