Massey Ferguson Backhoe Rotary Swing Cylinder Rebuild

This Massey Ferguson 54 backhoe has a Cessna rotary swing cylinder with a big leak. Let's seal it up.
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[@peterhoiland6715]

Watching you break those bolts loose gave me sympathetic back and shoulder pain.

[@No1Bigbear]

Amen brother!

[@Frank-Thoresen]

It was painful watching. I was even afraid he would beat his fingers on the tabletop

[@Tjm5656]

Hearing the bitterness in your voice for a $126 gasket is hilarious to me. Love your Channel. Big fan from North Carolina

[@lostintime8651]

you're not paying for the part. you are paying for the cost to store it until someone buys it.

[@djkokki]

@@lostintime8651 I'd still say that $120 for storage is probably a bit steep :P

[@TheFool2cool]

@@lostintime8651 Lol what sort of logic is this

[@tomkrause62]

@@TheFool2cool Make no mistake, corporate America has the storage cost of that part calculated.

[@richardjones5255]

@@djkokki @djkokki No wonder warehouse building is becoming popular these days.

[@jlucasound]

Isn't it amazing how things like this are DRENCHED in oil. Oil everywhere!! Except on the threads of the bolts you need to remove to fix it. Figures.

[@WatchWesWork]

I bought the seals from the AGCO dealer. That's the only place I know to get them. Please do not email me to ask this.

[@ckm-mkc]

Interesting, didn't realize they were tapered - is the fix just to replace the parts or can you machine a sleeve for the bottom piece? Also, does it have to be tapered - maybe straight splines are a cheaper option, would be a tighter fit than now. With used machinery going for top dollar right now due to lack of new equipment, might be worth it. But, hey, what do I know, just commenting from my armchair. Anyway, great job on the fix.

[@TreyCook21]

@@ckm-mkc I did the same. Drinking my coffee and typing. I'm not sure why it couldn't just be welded together. But again, **sips coffee** I don't even know what's going on.

[@jongmassey]

Hell, the seal kit came bloody close to the value of the machine!

[@JHruby]

@@jongmassey No way. For the age I would consider that machine to be in excellent condition overall. The problem with backhoes is they tend to get work to death before they even hit the used market. Machinery like this that is working it's worth fixing because the alternative is to spend more money and get a machine that's in much worse condition even if it is newer.

[@mastertech7104]

Don't Sweat it Wes, there are many arm chair quarterbacks is this world and most of them could not change a light bulb, never mind do your job. Keep up the great work.

[@marksbikeexports5123]

watching Wes work is so much better than watching Mark work.....................from behind his eyes

[@bigpatrck2]

There’s something satisfying about hearing those bolts break loose.

[@FishFind3000]

As long as your not breaking your knuckles at the same time.

[@DovetailTimberworks]

"If they do have them they're really proud of them" 😂

[@Recedinghairline180]

came here to comment this lol!

[@TedBishop1]

yeah it's like they really want to keep them

[@lolatmyage]

"no lowballers we know what we got"

[@henrikjonsson4340]

Hehe that means pretty "cheap" :)

[@mauricelackey5324]

How else can they sell you a $80,000 machine to replace a $30,000 machine except to make more expensive to fix the old one.

[@jazzerbyte]

I've never seen the inside of a rotary swing cylinder - it's a beast!

[@sarto7bellys]

“ Hot dog in a hallway” ha ha, in England it’s a sausage up an entry or pr*ck in a shirtsleeve

[@johnlemmey7698]

In Oz it's a" A cock in a sock"

[@ringodooby]

Your framing and editing on those disassembly shots were great. That really stood out

[@WatchWesWork]

I'm trying!

[@stephencroft761]

I rebuilt an air operated Twiflex brake for an elevator. It had a 4 sided “o” ring that cost us $562 I actually wore the old one as a necklace for a few years and honestly it was the most expensive piece of jewelry in our house.

[@dsw.handcraft]

The moment you've started cranking the engine I said out loud: That is a Perkins... Just a second later, there was a text in the video: Perkins.... Hehehe I own a tractor with the Perkins 4.236 engine on it, and as soon as the outside temp. drops below 10°C you have to use glow plug to start it. When the outside temp. is higher, it starts instantly! In spite of that i still have a soft spot for Perkins engines. They seem to be fairly "live" on the throttle. Keep up the good work, and best of luck from DSW Handcraft

[@Trlthericklang]

While that engine was cranking I was skeptical. Then I see “Perkins” which made me laugh. Im convinced a Perkins needed ether to start from day 1.

[@charlesmoore3321]

The stage for sticker shock was set the second you said Cessna.

[@russgier4409]

Took a tour of the Cessna fluid power division in 1978 at Hutchison KS

[@FishFind3000]

@@russgier4409 and?

[@lolatmyage]

Yeah those seals probably do double duty on some planes

[@donweeks2166]

Your dad did a good job training you. you did a good job learning.

[@JimNichols]

@12:52 I was feeling that spiral snap ring cut the new seal, if that had been me I can guarantee it happening. Dude I keep telling you, you have a couple hundred grand in shop and tooling, have a huge customer base and these cats in the comments have a 500$ swivel chair and a 200$ keyboard. There are a million ways to fix stuff, been in the sleet, in the middle of a corn field working on a broke locomotive and needed copper washers before. Used a drill and punched 10 pennies out with 1/4 holes and wallaha.... zinc works well as a sealing washer. Approved methodology? Nope. Get the job done and make tracks for a warm place? Yep. If these cats know so much they should have their own shop and make videos, Brother. Personally I love the ride along and the videos, thanks for the time and effort you put into each and everyone and the care you have for all your followers even the critics.

[@FishFind3000]

I’d like to see the cylinders and hoses repaired in the next video

[@makingithappen5178]

It does not leak and that was the problem. Mission accomplished.

[@lottiecooper609]

That's called putting the meat to it!!! Nice job there bacon boy!!!

[@billforrest4205]

Very well done man, I had to do the same leaky seal repair on the Uk version (Massey Ferguson 35 industrial tractor with backhoe & front loader) I ended up dressing the splines with hard facing mma electrode. (Not exactly the done thing but 2 years later it still doesn't slop) Most of the seals etc I sourced by size from totally different applications as there was no way the cost was justifiable o the age of the old girl. She digs, and she doesn't leak, so so far so good!

[@qscfthn67]

Any information that you have for the seals that you used would be greatly appreciated, I bought the white Teflon seals but like you said I can't justify the price for the 2 piece ones.

[@bfe671]

Wow. That swing cylinder is completely and unnecessarily complicated. Glad I own a Case backhoe. Cheap parts and easy to fix.

[@zerge83]

0:33 thanks for demonstratively dipping your hand in that lake of oil, I've almost didn't notice it was leaking.

[@markb1487]

We have a MF Industrial, front loader+compressor on the back.. Great machine.. Liked this video.. 🇬🇧👍💯

[@TheAndy331]

Thank you!! for Not putting annoying music !!!! Just you and the sound of your tools. It's a relief after watching videos where the jam music in every second.

[@bobberg3010]

Had a neighbor who had one of these, the lack of parts and prices of parts it was cheaper to keep a 5 gal pan of hyd fluid around

[@philparrott4424]

I had one just like this, the same cylinder had a problem on mine. I learned to use it with a controlled swing. Move it so far to the left or right and knew it was going just a little further.

[@jdmccorful]

A skilled operator!

[@garyanderson4374]

"Hotdog in a hallway"...love it!

[@Military-Museum-LP]

It’s one of my favorites from Wes.

[@sixtyfiveford]

These companies and the prices they charge for parts is ridiculous sometimes.

[@uggadugga2832]

I major lift company dealer parts department once tried to charge me 970 dollars for a reseal kit for a lift cylinder. Took the old packing to a seal store and he put together a kit for me for less than 40 bucks. Makes you wonder who is pocketing what.

[@earboit5145]

Hi Wes, something to try next time you have worn splines is 24 hour Araldite epoxy. We use it on most splines on our cane harvesters. It takes a good beating during the season and seems to hold up very well. That slop in the splines is taken up and more wear is prevented. The only catch is, it’s difficult to get stuff separated for disassembly. Relatively inexpensive repair and worth a try. Give Molykote 111 a try for your seal and o’ring lube. Great product for resealing hydraulic cylinders.

[@MatthewJorgensen1968]

Finally, something engineered to be fixed without having to disassemble the whole machine...

[@bluegrallis]

Something you don't see on much newer equipment.

[@longrider8265]

As you were hoisting the cylinder out I was thinking ‘be careful with that chain - you are going to scratch the paint’ 😀 Great job as always Wes

[@johnvitro5908]

That is a old timer Nice repair Thx

[@stormchaser8605]

Wes! Please make a video on fixing those loader cylinders and all the other hoses. I know it takes effort but I learn so much from this "simple stuff" and enjoy seeing the process. Cheers from Texas

[@davidhamilton7628]

I couldn't wait to see inside that thing

[@jackrichards1863]

Most importantly!! Thank you Wes . You showed inside one of those things that I've wanted to know that much about for a very long time!

[@martintaylor984]

I love the voice over end-tro

[@ChevyConQueso]

Watching these old tractor videos has convinced me you need as many parts machines as possible if you plan to run 50+ year old equipment. There is so much to go wrong, and unlike a Ford or Chevy, you don't have the aftermarket there to bail you out. It's a shame because there's a lot of old iron out there with relatively simple problems, yet no way to feasibly fix them for cheap.

[@kutamsterdam]

This Dutch fan's drinkin' buddies had to just wait because a vid from his vid-buddy Wes came in, it was a pleasure to watch you work 🛠again Wes, thanks man.

[@scottfoster2487]

A wee bit of weld on the splines can take some of the slop out.Another awesome job.

[@WatchWesWork]

I don't think that's a job for me!

[@ursixx]

Nice camera ,lighting , sound and editing Wes

[@stumpy2816]

Think u earned your wages breaking loose those bolts. Interesting video Wes thanks

[@jeremybrown2758]

Favorite way to wake up on a Saturday. Cup of coffee and watch Wes work

[@taylorjones4574]

Thank you for this video it makes me 100% more confident in removing and rebuilding my massey i have a similar Massey 50A looks identical but my back hoe can also slide side to side like a corner mount

[@traincndr1]

I remember driving a backhoe just like that one

[@zlindauer5315]

would have loved to see you weld some splines on. just to fill in some space. you the man wes!!!

[@thomasdesmond2248]

Wess when working on something big and round like that. I make a wooden v block. I put a rubber mud flap in the block. Then sit the round item in the block. I then run a strap over the top. This holds the item while breaking bolts lose and working on it. God bless

[@bostedtap8399]

Very specialised equipment, not very common, so not a cheap price, unless you know the generic part number. Intricate job Wes, thanks for sharing. Regards John.

[@crazyfvck]

That's the first time that I have ever seen the inside of one of those rotary cylinders. Very interesting :)

[@lawrencewillard6370]

You are commended for the quality of your work. I have a quality mech, thankfully, also. Sorrily you are a dissapearing breed.

[@Trevinator1990]

im about to go look at a backhoe with this cylinder setup on it. now i know what to look for as far as wear and leaks on that part!

[@patdonovan84]

Very enjoyable video. Keep them coming

[@erickwport]

Yeah Agco and their proud parts, I rebuilt one of these with u-cup hydraulic seals from local shop for around $40. So far about 100 hours on machine and no leaks yet. Not saying its right but for the $1,000 Agco wanted, i can rebuild again if it fails. Also Vaseline made it much easier to reassemble. Love the channel Wes

[@MRrwmac]

You did the best you could staying within the customers limitation! Nice work!

[@franssteenbergh8358]

that machine aint old Wes, I am from 1948 and I am still a young guy...just lived a while... nice video,,,later...

[@jamestamu83]

What a great general maintenance channel! A person can learn a LOT by watching this man work.

[@jessicabuckman9675]

Just like usual, you've accomplished another near imposssible job.

[@brianjohnston9822]

When you see operators use the swing action to push junk out of the way I now have visualization of the shafts that take abuse.

[@jdmccorful]

Good point!

[@MitzvosGolem1]

It voids CAT warranty to side push by swinging. Cracks books also

[@stevenwdoolittle1195]

You should have gotten a ton more subscribers latley. Ive been promoting you because i love what you do and you are a wealth of knowledge!

[@briandrew8684]

Wes you're the man, love the fact you're not afraid to hop right in to new projects. Keep up the good work brother

[@thomascluney1730]

I've got an international tractor backhoe just like that I'm trying to get the motor starter the cylinders are Rusty

[@johnburch6927]

One thing I do very little of anymore is hydraulic work. I will say that I did enjoy doing cylinders and regular maintenance but one place i worked had quite a few Detroit powered Water blasters, not sure why but repacking that equipment was enjoyable, I know, what a geek.

[@Mikeattempts]

Nice repair. $750 just for seals and one of those was $126 by itself?!? That's insane!

[@tacomas9602]

It's not that bad if you really think about all the work this machine can do. But $450 would be a much better price. Lol

[@OakesProject]

Those bolts are really going to be hard to take out for the next guy, now that you fixed the automatic cap screw oiler demonstrated at the beginning of the video.

[@dmmaddex]

nice rebuild, Wes

[@Bullorg]

I know this isnt a newly made eppisode but I have to say. JEBUS you got some nice camera settings in this one. Watching on 52" TV and you got it so sharp the video is sharper than the items I have next to the TV. Quality is amazing. Just had to comment.

[@JohnnyRizon]

Dig the new "Leaning Casual Cool" intro-- nailed it

[@duanek9892]

I was worried the cylinder wouldn't come out without removing the backhoe...at least that part of the design was good....very interested in seeing more on this one.

[@robertlemoine3500]

Well done Wes.Thankyou Sir

[@AlbosNoggins]

That rotary cylinder is one heavy piece of kit! It’s amazing those planes even get off the ground 😂😂😂

[@hullinstruments]

PLEASE Do some electronics videos!! I love all of your content but I would kill for more electronics troubleshooting videos. I enjoy your straightforward approach, while incorporating even complex troubleshooting tactics.

[@daviddamico4288]

Nice job Wes

[@van1196]

Love your video content. From golf carts to backhoes and everything in between.

[@horacerumpole6912]

Good job there Wes, I can imagine the operator of this rig (knowing it's limitations), has gotten pretty good at knowing how to control and allow for overtravel when running this rig. Rather sporty price on the gasket! Try owning a car built by an aircraft manufacturer…I can relate brother!

[@roxanneabbott8424]

You are a smooth operator!! Love watching you Wes!!!

[@JoeHynes284]

i'll watch videos of everything

[@AntonioClaudioMichael]

Very cool rebuild on that swing cylinder @Watch Wes Work

[@garion60]

Jealous of your shop and that Chain Hoist...what a problem solver those are! Great Vids, Wes...keep 'em comin'. Thanks for what you do!

[@korvtm]

Seeing where you wrote Perkins reminded me of a couple Forklifts a company I used to work for had.They were powered by the 6 Cylinder engine that Perkins built that were originally designed as a Diesel but by changing pistons and a few other mods they were set up to run on gasoline.Company then had the engines converted to propane.Buyer could never figure out why those forklifts spent more time in the repair shop than they did working.We used to make bets on which one would break down first.Then Vendor that sold the machines could not get parts for us and no one else in town would even try.

[@WatchWesWork]

Some people love Perkins engines. I'm not a fan. I've rebuilt a few and have never been impressed.

[@phooesnax]

That spline looks like a job for abom79 Nice work Wes

[@anthonydefreitas6006]

I was thinking the same thing.

[@donaldoldaker7258]

I have a massy Ferguson 50D INDUSTRIAL backhoe loader. I'm GONIN TO do the same rebuild my self. I GOT IT FOR NOTHING IVE REBUILD THE TILT CYLINDERS AND THE LIFT NOW IM GONNIN TO DO THE ROTARY.YOUR VIDEO IS VERY HELPFUL THANK YOU

[@lwilton]

Sounds like any time you get your hands on one of those gold parts you should cross reference it to Grainger or Motion Industries or the like.

[@tacomas9602]

Someone needs to start a database for these old machines, digitally of course

[@wornoutwrench8128]

I have run into the worn out spline scenario before too. Cheap and easy fix as long as the customer knows that it is the last fix, is to use an industrial metal repair epoxy putty on the splines. A thin coat on both sets of splines and assemble, wait required time to harden and away you go. You can never get it apart ever again I tried to look up the stuff we used, its been too many years and I cant remember the proper name. Belladona or something like that. I can't find it anywhere. Great stuff. The millwrights in the pulp mills used it lots, that is where I got the idea from. If you do it right it will last forever but you only get the one chance.

[@johnwaby4321]

That was a tricky fix 👍👍👍👍

[@newandoldtech5634]

Its a Messy Fersuson, That your problem lady. lol

[@TheMetalButcher]

Idk, I think they're great. Looks like this Perkins is setup for gas, they obviously run better in diesel mode.

[@tacomas9602]

@@TheMetalButcher wait what?!

[@TheMetalButcher]

@@tacomas9602 It's the exact same engine block. Diesel vs gas. Different compression, spark plugs vs injectors, but same rated HP and Torque. Head is similar I think.

[@lawrenceveinotte]

I owned a 66 Ford 4400 for about 20 years, it had two cylinders and a piece of chain for the swing, it had lots of slop, you learn to lean it a little by tilting one side using the stabilizer, that way it returned to the same spot, funny story, i bought the machine from the guy who operated it from new for a local city, when he retired he bought it, when i bought it off him i said i'd have it moved the 100 miles to my place, nope he said he would just drive it, he loved driving it, took him a day and a half at 15mph lol

[@TheMetalButcher]

Haha, yup, the lean is a trick I use too.

[@ThatOliverGuyChris]

Pretty much the same cessna motor as on my Oliver backhoe. Mine was leaking out the top. Fortunately Oliver put the motor on top, so I just had to pull the cover, replace the quad and oring and slap it back together. No more leak and I could safely be oblivious to spline wear. Until you posted this....

[@WatchWesWork]

Heh. I imagine they are all sloppy at this point.

[@lukemeisenbach1964]

Still so much better than the Hopto thing. I have a 1980 Mustang skid steer with Cesna hydrostatics.

[@lbfishin2156]

Still has value to someone. good to see it continue it's life for awhile.

[@TechGorilla1987]

I was quite happy to see the big wrenches and brute force used in the beginning. Power tools are nice, but there is something satisfying about a bolt breaking loose with a lot of effort, but the right tools. It's kind of primal to 'break' something loose. I watch a guy break down engines and he uses manual ratchets on the head bolts. It's a satisfying snap when they crack loose.

[@jman4652]

Love ya channel mate. Gave me some good pointers and ideas. As a mechanic my self for last 35yrs. In Australia. U prove I'm never to old to learn new tricks. Lol Good work

[@davidgarrett7067]

Hey from Scotland, great video as always. I love your videos and watch every one you fire out, would love to see more if you have the time to do so. All the best to you and the family. Dave

[@joelmiller2504]

I could watch heavy equipment repairs for hours and hours. Thanks Wes.

[@mikelyons9971]

Who else had eyes on the Kong dog toy praying it got ran over as wes backed up.

[@adamdnewman]

If it's broken Wes can fix it!

[@jakeduffin4626]

I had a Massey tractor and sold it because the parts were so ridiculously expensive and sometimes difficult to get. Great video Wes!

[@garynew9637]

Yes and crappy engineering back then.

[@JonatanGronoset]

I like the sound of that engine. I ain't gonna say no to more videos on this thing, Wes.

[@JacobvsRex]

Oh man, that's a nice clean one, I just rebuilt mine last year and it was trashed compared to this one.

[@nikobelic2269]

Ah, good old Messy Fergusons.

[@manowaari]

Interesting video, have never seen that kind of hydraulic cylinder taken apart!

[@rgmoore]

thanks for sharing. I hadn't seen one of those taken apart before.

[@andyrobinson339]

When the breaker bar was actually bending I thought for sure the next sound would be a loud "snap"! For sure we would like to see you repair those cylinders. Say hi to the pup!