The Glenn Show: Revisiting the Trayvon Martin Case | Part 1 | with John McWhorter

[@theauklet]

I can't adequately convey how thrilling it is to see two intellectuals carefully and honestly examine an issue, with a sincere effort to be objective and also to lay out and examine every possible bias. And Prof. Loury's exposition of the cultural overlay of tribalism which makes it difficult for us to seek, much less achieve objectivity, is spot on. Hearing this level of discussion, after wading through cable news and Twitter, is like a drink of cool water in the desert.

[@redcash123]

These are two idiots that believe in a conspiracy theory. This is no intellectual conversation here.

[@twoshedsjohnson8540]

Seems the hot rolling boil of idiocy creeps into places of sanity...as expressed by "redcash123". I too appreciate the cool waters of actual critical thinking.

[@professorplum2531]

Well spoken, couldn't agree more. Lots of respect for these two.

[@truthonly5716]

@@redcash123 You are an ignorant moron. Smh

[@viewtube6512]

redcash123 You are severely lacking in the ability to think rationally. You refuse to think, just react. Wrongly at that.

[@anastasia2657]

What concerns me the most is that the government prosecutor HAD TO KNOW. That means that the government is very dangerous to our health

[@SovereignStatesman]

Angela Corey? She was up for re-lection in 2 weeks. Meanwhile the entire media was DESPERATE to get Obama re-elected. Likewise, Obama CAUSED the Trayvon incident, by hounding the Miami-Dade school cops not to arrest more black kids than white.

[@socialbettors966]

If you read the texts describing their sexual conversations with each other, you immediately KNOW Rachel was NOT the hottie who Trayvon was going crazy over.

[@dbillionaer]

Hi watch this it explains the 100 million dollar lawsuit by zimmerman against trayvon martins family and attorney The real trayvon story kzbin.info/www/bejne/h3LaZqyhfrWCeK8 Hillary is involved

[@luigib7311]

How is the plaintiff's lawyer not disbarred for wittingly presenting a false witness?!

[@pdumpsterful]

Who knows? I do know that the democrats get away with everything

[@annieb5647]

Do you mean the prosecutors?

[@pdumpsterful]

​@@annieb5647yes. They are all Democrat's. They caved to the mobs and charged Zimmerman

[@socialbettors966]

Thank God these men have decided to come out from the shadows speak the Truth to what has become the Dark Power in this country.

[@mrquick6775]

When are white people going to start speaking the truth? 🙄

[@kansascityonline]

All truth passes through three stages. First, it is ridiculed. Second, it is violently opposed. Third, it is accepted as being self-evident. ~ Arthur Schopenhauer

[@dcyork2703]

I used to hate George Zimmerman until I saw the Trayvon hoax. It’s an amazing documentary.

[@crystallogician]

Right? I was barely paying attention, but I thought Zimmerman was some crazed racist lunatic. When I heard about the lawsuit, I thought "Jesus. Just when you thought he couldn't sink any lower!"

[@jerrywhidby.]

Will you provide a link to it please?

[@zombierobbie-me1je]

@@jerrywhidby. kzbin.info/www/bejne/h3LaZqyhfrWCeK8

[@Mat-threw]

You were an idiot for buying into the media narrative but I guess I can’t blame you because most people are.

[@utubewillyman]

I too believed the media portrayal of Zimmerman. When you see him, you discover that he's remarkably articulate, reasonable, and kind-hearted.

[@misswinnie4.8]

Prof Loury-Thank you. I'm a Brown graduate & feel like a fish out of water. I'm glad to know there is an intellectually honest professor at Brown.

[@magacashmoney4751]

One of the most intelligent convos I've heard in a while about any topic matter

[@marjorie9390]

It was pressure from Obama and Holder to bring charges, they encouraged the family.

[@BethSmith-ep9vm]

Exactly. Because Obummer and Holder are both Marxist who wanted to stir up and feed the racism and oppressor/oppressed narrative.

[@jermainebanks7269]

The documentary is available on Vimeo for anyone who is interested.

[@ginaclame20]

Jermaine Banks do you have to pay?

[@kcollinsgallhollcom]

kzbin.info/www/bejne/h3LaZqyhfrWCeK8

[@b-ron385]

it's on youtube, but it's shadow banned.

[@spoffy100]

Great documentary learned a lot. Now I understand why the president tells the snake story the president told before the election and to this day

[@backyardjungle2562]

I applaud you both for your honesty. And while I trust neither CNN nor FOX, I have been forced to reevaluate my beliefs in the past and I know that it's not comfortable. However, I never did it publicly. Thank you for sharing.

[@BighnicHnicBAWSESTATUS]

Race is so bad in this country….. we have to MAKE IT UP. This is NO DOUBT A DEMOCRAT ISSUE

[@susankelseyville1035]

I live 30 minutes from Sanford, we had a short window of truth that the rest of the country did not see. It was immediately changed when it became more about race. I am glad there seems to some answers to the confusion I had over this case.

[@Bradley_Lute]

It's amazing how misconstrued these cases are. Trayvon admitted to drinking lean. What's in lean? Hard candy, juice and cough syrup. What was he going to the store to get? Hard candy and juice. The news made him seem like a kid out to get snacks. His best friends were gang bangers. He was not just walking down the side walk. He was amid a townhouse complex. He also admitted to getting in a lot of fights. He was suspended 3 times that year, at least once was for a fight. Witnesses saw him on top of Zimmerman landing shots on him right before the gun went off. His photos from around the time show him looking hard and getting high. And on top of it Ben Crump put a fake gf on the stand. Why are we supposed to be outraged by this case? It sparked a national rallying cry to end racial discrimination in policing. Crump should be disbarred for this. It's been over two years since this doc aired.

[@michaelweber5702]

Thanks Glenn and John , for exposing this stuff and for being so brave to do so...

[@cuzz63]

I dont know if Joel Gilbert is correct or not but it makes sense when you consider the fishy stuff around Rachel and her part in this whole thing. Lying about her age, nickname, the letter and the phone call.

[@FaithwalkerTodd]

cuzz63 In the trial they asked her questions about the phone calls she had with crump and she couldn’t remember any of it and made some lame excuse about how she didn’t want to talk to him.

[@bigbangb3tty365]

Rachael is half sister to Brittany Diamond Eugene.

[@saltburner2]

If you read Gilbert's book, you will find he has - unlike the court - exercised due diligence and presents all the evidence from hundreds of pages of text messages which speak for themselves. His follow-up detective work in identifying the real actors and those complicit in the bait and switch which the court overlooked because it did not fit the narrative. Zimmerman, like Kyle Rittenhouse, should never have been charged - fortunately both were acquitted, but both suffered terribly from prosecutory over-reach.

[@bama-shooter2071]

I found your commentary very interesting. At roughly the 52 minute mark you take up for Trayvons parents. You need to remember they were in on the hoax and willing to put a man in prison for a crime they know he did not commit. They profited off the false narrative of the criminal case.

[@Bradley_Lute]

They might not have known it was a hoax. They might still believe their son was a victim. Hard to say. That or they might feel guilty.

[@pdumpsterful]

@@Bradley_Lute they knew. Tracy had his crips tattoo covered up. Sabrina knew that Rachel wasn't diamond. The witness switch

[@smoovej2868]

​@@pdumpsterfulwhat does a tattoo have to do with anything

[@pdumpsterful]

@@smoovej2868 he's claiming to be a great father

[@ShannonDove-sy7ye]

​@@smoovej2868a tattoo has something to do with image. Would you trust a doctor that had a tattoo of horns on his forehead?

[@tedalper1464]

"Whenever I hear a fact reported and my first question is "well who's saying that?" before I'm prepared to believe that it's true, rather than "what's the evidence for that?" -- it feels to me like we're in trouble." Very well put and this discussion is so much appreciated!

[@helltopo]

I was skeptical about the Trayvon Martin case at the time but I had no idea the prosecution was as corrupt as the documentary showed. Its also clear that there must of been scores of people outside the prosecution team who knew that Rachel Jeantel was not Trayvon's girlfriend but said nothing. Luckily the jury acquitted Zimmerman but would that be the case today? The main lesson that needs to be taken from the Martin, Brown & Smollett cases is that the media rushes to judgement way too fast, establishing a narrative of black victimhood that they maintain by silence even after the truth emerges. I was saddening to see so many, both black & white shouting 'hands up don't shoot' at recent George Floyd protests, years after that story was debunked. Anyway, its good to see some open minded discussion.

[@saltburner2]

What is even more sad is that prosecutors side with the media narrative, ignoring the facts, as also happened in the Kyle Rittenhouse case.

[@khaos5085]

All this could have been avoided if the Police ignored their Chief's orders and just arrest Trayvon for those Robberies. And maybe adding Assault to his charges for hitting that Bus Driver. The Chief of Police was dirty that ignored crimes trying to cover it all up. He also was accused of Sexually Harassing Women. The Mother is also to blame for kicking him out instead of trying to get him off of those drugs that made him aggressive. The media made it worse by using a Photo from a Rap Magazine trying to portray Trayvon as a "Scared Little Kid"

[@stevenmarcusreleford]

What drug made him aggressive?

[@david-lm7iu]

@@stevenmarcusreleford lean he liked I remember.

[@williemays2]

@@stevenmarcusreleford Weed. Mary Jane. the Devil's Lettuce

[@pdumpsterful]

Trayvon wasn't scared, maybe paranoid, but not scared. He was bashing Zimmerman head into concrete

[@hairymary5146]

Great discussion guys and very educational on many levels. I am looking foward to next session.

[@pdumpsterful]

How would you like to be falsely accused?

[@andrewbonthius787]

These guys are top notch. Thank you so much for taking the time first to consider and look into this case and secondly to go public with your thoughts! Your voices are much needed these days.

[@kl8455]

the movie was well done. something that hit home to me was when Zimmerman's lawyer asked Jenteal to read the cursive letter she supposedly wrote and she could not. as well as the letter was cursive and then it was signed with I guess it would be called block print. why write a letter in cursive and then switch to a different style for the signature. makes no sense.

[@garyhost1830]

Mmmm sort of. I write my name in block but alternate between cursing and block style writing. But i totally agree. Sketchy

[@michaelroberts7770]

This was the beginning of the press instead of reporting stories, instead started writing stories...

[@annieb5647]

Tracy and Sybrina deserve to be sued. They tried to put a man in jail using false evidence AND THEY KNEW IT.

[@lizp5004]

Holy shit - I've ignored this podcast bc I thought "meh - T.Martin...that's played out", but had I known it was _this_ juicy, I'd have watched forever ago! Lol. How have I not heard of this already!?! Why wasn't this huge news!? (I know why - but still)

[@jameschristiansson3137]

Will you two be covering the documentary The Fall of Minneapolis ? (Derek Chauvin trial)

[@AndrewD624]

Fair and accurate analysis of the topic.

[@geeninebee]

It's dishearteningly to see how the justice system is slowly failing. Also, how couldn't the defense attorney find out? In order to build up a strong defense it takes money , and maybe they didn't have enough to investigate all.

[@pdumpsterful]

The prosecution withheld evidence from the defense. The defense team had to go to court to get the information only at the last minute. They didn't have time to investigate this

[@joshroberts1610]

Thank you for this, guys.

[@pdumpsterful]

It was Arizona watermelon. He wanted to make lean but couldn't score codeine

[@stephengoddard9188]

The truth wins given time.

[@Worldly40]

Wow! I am very impressed that you guys came out with such courage and told the story. The recent rittenhouse case brought me here. The judgements of both cases were completely different than what the main stream media propergated. How could both juries who examined all evidence be wrong? I started to wake up.

[@63rambler66]

I think the only person certain to have had knowledge of the switch, from what the film implies, is Sybrina Fulton (!!!!!!) outside Rachel's household. It's even possible her mother did not know. Maybe the book makes it clearer.

[@baalbezub6848]

So let’s address the very last statement in this video. And this is coming from someone who lost their 21 year old child, and got NO justice or help from the police in an “investigation”. What you said is true, that is their Son, and they deserve the respect and acknowledgment of their loss. But…….there is a harsh reality that they (as myself) need to acknowledge. That their Son, and themselves, need to bear some responsibility for the outcome. And as we learn more about this case, that responsibility seems to be growing in my humble opinion.

[@dianadiana4627]

I know I'm late to the party here. Just watched this. I wish the claim Zimmerman made about mentoring blacks boys would have been verified. I've looked for it elsewhere. Can't find it.

[@nero8278]

Your comments on the media where spot on, I don't feel as crazy now.

[@edyouwakim998]

Great to see this discussion. Warning...it get much worse than this. It's not what you don't know that we need to worry about.....it's what you know for sure that just isn't so. How is this not a top story now?

[@BighnicHnicBAWSESTATUS]

Never is. The media isn’t interested in reporting how WRONG they were.

[@msherry5]

Thank you for this conversation. I have seen the film, & honestly I didn't know what to think. It is urgent, though, that we ALL realize that its not just "the other side" that is being lied to. We have to look for evidence about things we're told. I want to hear the truth, even if its hard to hear. Our silos of different fake realities are scary.

[@ellebelle4094]

Zimmerman was 1/8 black. His 1/2 black grandmother lived with the family and helped raise him.

[@newyardleysinclair9960]

The documentary about this false witness is pretty convincing.

[@stephenkenney5708]

Trump doesn’t call fake news simply news he doesn’t like but what he knows/feels to be tainted/untruthful.

[@tomjones2348]

After 6 minutes, two professors have yet to clearly and accurately state the premise of the lawsuit. This could have been done in the first 30 seconds. I'd hate to be a student in either of their classes. I'm now at minute 8:30. This is unintelligible. If you want to understand what this case is about and why it's so important for Americans of every race, simply watch the Peter Schiff interview of Joel Gilbert, author of The Trayvon Hoax.

[@JM-qh6zb]

People ask for the source before they ask for the evidence. Very true and sad state of affairs

[@Libertariun]

Sad, but necessary. I try to check as many sources as time permits. And that’s the problem too. Most people don’t have that time.

[@pghshops]

Bravo 🎉 thank you for posting. 34:38

[@FlyingFlaneur]

Good show Glenn and John, but your audio quality is pretty weak. Recommend you increase input volume and/or get some decent mics. Headsets will work too.

[@SpinSurgery]

This is the perfect case study for why any neutral (as one can truly be) person is trapped in a nihilistic haze. I’ve tried to do a little digging after seeing this doc and I’m just stuck. Relativism, nihilism and narrative have made objectivity some pie in the sky. It’s really very difficult to cope with.

[@lifeuniversity9886]

My first time to watch your show. Fairly balanced. Great Dialogue.

[@anastasia2657]

The text message where she sent a picture of herself shows you who she is.

[@janedowling9812]

I am not yet comfortable paying money to watch Gilbert's movie. I look forward to seeing if Gilbert's evidence becomes public and faces legal scrutiny in Zimmerman's lawsuit.

[@annieb5647]

It’s free.

[@pimplepickerton]

Did you guys ever do a part 2?

[@makingadifference4834]

Also its important to note that Zimmerman is Hispanic. Its also important to say that ZIMMERMAN WAS ACQUITTED AND FOUND NOT GUILTY. Why didn't you guys believe him even after he was vindicated?

[@KarlWinterling]

The real issue everyone ignored is municipal court reform, municipalities relying heavily on traffic and parking tickets rather than taxes to pay for local public services, disproportionate impact of those tickets on minorities, etc. The solution is that you focus on rehabilitation for all minor offenses and waive fines that people can't pay. The focus on police shootings distorted the actual issues most people deal with and shifted public attention onto topics optimized for clickbait. It isn't that surprising that some people will lie and demonize a perceived enemy group if they know lying will get public opinion behind them.

[@aaronvenema]

The real issue is people thinking taxes are a necessity.

[@KarlWinterling]

Or the city deciding it needs the money when it doesn't.

[@ibeamy]

Karl Winterling they disproportionately affect minorities because minorities disproportionately break the law.

[@KarlWinterling]

@@ibeamy So you agree with slapping people with traffic fines that they can barely pay to raise local revenue? I'm not arguing that people should face no consequences for breaking the law simply because they're disadvantaged. I support having a system that changes people's behavior so they don't break the law rather than either letting people evade responsibility for actions that impact other people or using fines that disadvantaged people struggle to pay as a major revenue source.

[@period8705]

Also KZbin search "the real Trayvon Martin". It shows amongst other things that Treyvon did not buy iced tea and skittles but watermelon fruit juice cocktail and skittles to make some lean.

[@lizaw.7313]

I really appreciate your views.

[@plainjane1426]

So he died for a political seat and a swimsuit line?!?!? Unbelievably evil!

[@melissak1732]

Have you watched the documentary 'murder on a Sunday morning' Would love to hear your input. Very much enjoyed this video, watched the trial online and was very happy about Zimmerman acquittal and saddened for the families that this had to be brought to trial. The hoax documentary however gave this important part of history a whole new way to think about it and implications on society

[@LeoPaulHelmar]

That's an amazing film. I haven't thought of it in years and now I'm going to rewatch. It's almost a film negative version of the Trayvon case in that it is a story of a black teen who was really framed. The public defenders in the film are classic documentary subjects and pop out of the screen.

[@ottobaron6392]

There is no film of what happened, and only one participant was alive at the end of it. If George Zimmerman was armed, it seems odd there were scars (which NBC misinformed the public there was no evidence of, as well as originally claiming Zimmerman was white) on the back of his head. The only conceivable way that George Zimmerman could have those injuries to the back of his head, was if he had been pushed to the ground. The way Trayvon Martin was shot, seems to back up George Zimmerman's claims.

[@TheBanshee90]

Trayvon Martin had some injuries that damn Zimmerman that the prosecutor ignored. Trayvon injuries were a gun shot wound in the chest, as well as, lacerations to his knuckles. It is obvious that Zimmerman found Martin and specifically started attacking Martin's knuckles. That is the only possible outcome /s

[@ottobaron6392]

@@TheBanshee90 George Zimmerman had injuries in the back of his head, from Trayvon pounding it into the sidewalk. Sorry, but if someone is pounding your head into the side walk, then stopping that from happening is self defense.

[@TheBanshee90]

@@ottobaron6392 woosh

[@SpinSurgery]

@@TheBanshee90lol

[@joqu6971]

Excellent discussion excellent video

[@professorplum2531]

Do the parkland 5 next.

[@RobinandWillow]

I'm interested in a review from you both of Joel Gilbert's movie about President Obama. It is not a Birther doc. It's about his father(s). You dismissed the documentary before watching it. It left me wondering, so I would love to hear from you guys about it. Thanks! I enjoy your videos!

[@petersmith7577]

Prof. Loury keeps referring to Diamond Eugene as Diamond "Reynolds". Is he getting her mixed up with Diamond Reynolds, the girlfriend in the Philando Castile case?

[@dluvv19761]

Trayvon assaulted someone and was shot. Period. Unfortunate but he brought it on himself

[@jamesallendavisjr.6909]

Gilbert's case is very convincing, the fact is he did get out the car and he was advised not to follow this young man. He claimed he needed a better description, according to Gilbert. I don't doubt that as citizens of this country we are manipulated by both sides to accept narratives that serve political interest. Zimmerman, could have avoided the situation, if he had not followed Trayvon, knowing he was armed. I believe Zimmerman did follow Trayvon Martin. Gilbert is convincing but he is still presenting a narrative. Only two people know what really happened and one of them is deceased.

[@bjkarana]

That's where I'm at too. I think Trayvon could have very well initiated an assault on GZ, but I don't buy Zimmerman's heavily practiced version of events fully, or that he didn't even think about his firearm until Trayvon noticed it. I'm sure GZ got out of his truck full well knowing he was armed.

[@bradlee2594]

After Zimmerman was advised not to follow Trayvon, what makes you think Zimmerman ignored the advice?

[@jamesallendavisjr.6909]

@@bradlee2594 The reason I think Zimmerman ignored the advice (its speculative) Zimmerman according to the transcript, reminds me of a bull dog barking to intimidate its subject the only diiference was that Zimmerman was armed. I think he was confidently attempting to intimidate this teenager. The transcript shows Zimmerman narrating this person move. The dispatcher tell Zimmerman not to follow him he says ok but continues to narrate. The other issue is Zimmerman is standing still saying he is moving towards me, he is staring at me. He is running, he also says these punks always get away with ... he also adds by the time you get here he will get away. So deductively it seem like a showdown with a overload of testostrone energized by a weapon. The bottom line is Martin is dead because of Zimmerman's initial actions, not Martin's reaction.

[@bradlee2594]

@@jamesallendavisjr.6909 - You are reasonable in understanding that what you think is based on speculation. But you're missing evidence. The spot where the violence started is the same spot Zimmerman previously provided an update as to Trayvon's whereabouts, when Zimmerman said, "He ran". And 3.5 minutes elapsed in between the time Zimmerman said, "He ran" and the start of the violence. You have to understand the layout of the neighborhood and where this all played out to understand what I am talking about. *More detail:* Zimmerman, while still inside his vehicle, said, "Shit, he's running". Zimmerman exited his vehicle 8 seconds later. 12 seconds after that, the dispatcher advised Zimmerman he did not need to follow. 11 seconds after that, Zimmerman said, "He ran". So 31 seconds elapsed from the time Zimmerman told the dispatcher that Trayvon was starting to run and the time Zimmerman provided the last update as to Trayvon's whereabouts. "He ran" meant. "He's long gone". *Even more detail:* Zimmerman had gotten out of his vehicle and then moved toward the spot Trayvon had run away from which is also where Zimmerman lost sight of Trayvon because Trayvon ran South behind a town home (1211 Twin Trees Lane). When Zimmerman arrived at that spot, 31 seconds after having told the dispatcher Trayvon had begun to run, only then could Zimmerman see to the South. 3.5 minutes later, the violence started.....at the same spot. The evidence indicates Trayvon ran far away and then returned. All of this is based on evidence, not speculation. The evidence contradicts the "narrative" (and/or speculation) that Zimmerman ignored the dispatcher.

[@yourchef1]

John McWhorter’s integrity is in stark contrast to Ben Crump’s lack thereof.

[@jackieblue1490]

Where you two been all my life 😂! OMG, I just found your KZbin. The reason you are called Unlce Tom is because you make sense. You two talk back and forth discussing possible views on topics. You try to show respect with opinions and balance it so impressively. You two should be in main stream. When a person can’t change your mind, add to your point of view, have a discussion the way you two do, then there is something wrong with you. You make sense. They can’t contribute to the conversation. Their brain activity isn’t the same. They take basically the first thing exposed to. Like how we were fooled by this hoax. I was fooled! I lost friends defending Trayvon. I prayed George would get what he deserved. I was so wrong. But maybe what George deserved is playing out. What he went thru added to the rest is actually bringing out the lack of morak behind all of this. It’s sad to see such a large population that lacks morals. But I witnessed that a lot of these young black children are raised by absent parents. Drugs. Boyfriends. More kids. And what I witnessed the most is their parents fighting in front of them and ignoring their shield reins fear. Then seeing very young children treating physical fights as normal and something to watch. To kids joining in. I think these parents acting uncivilized in media should have their kids taken. Kids doing it, be taken and investigate the homes. Those little kids need saved. Trayvon was once an innocent beautiful baby that his family loved. What was he taught. If it wasn’t parents. It’s the street. But then.....what are those parents willing to do to keep their child from turning out like that and dead. I would literally go to the ends of the earth for any of those babies. Any way......I love your shows. Did marathons. You two pretty much say what I been thinking. More people need to sit down shut up and listen to you two.

[@andrewdold7223]

I love watching the two of you actually being red pilled. I bet you wish you took the blue pill and never watched this mans documentary. Welcome to wonderland gents.

[@andrewbonthius787]

Why so hostile? Why not thank them?

[@carolgiffen8203]

Of course it’s sensational. They wouldn’t (and still might not) attention otherwise. It was a tragic situation all around, but George Zimmerman was railroaded and he’s probably unhappy about it.

[@phoenixshade3]

13:25 Thought he was a customer? He did buy her products, and it seems he has continued to do so. And he closes the film with an apparently genuine admiration of Brittney Eugene's accomplishments in the past five years. Gilbert's methods to me seem no different from those used by private investigators or even many mainstream investigative reporters, particularly when researching someone who doesn't necessarily want to be connected to the subject.

[@creativebobbo]

I find the whole thing disturbing in a few ways. First is that the prosecutor would not investigate deeper before deciding to indite. Second and even more disturbing is that the media abused it's power of the press to promote what is now coming to light as a false narrative. And thirdly and the most disturbing for me is that a young man is dead. Why doesn't one single person discuss that minority kids don't have good role models? I stopped watching the first 48 because of that. Almost every murder victim was a black male between the ages of 18 and 30. I studied martial arts in a very ethnically diverse school. I entrusted my life to men of many races different than my own and I would still walk through fire for any one of them. This behavior of violence is learned. Are gangsta rappers promoting a positive role model? I don't think so. I appreciate the objective nature of the discussion about this case, but I doubt role models and true worldly (Not text book) education will enter the discussion. Look, I'm an old white guy now. I hope before I die that black community leaders will address the problems in the black community. The potential of a life lost at such a young age can never be truly calculated. And that is the recurring underlying tragedy.

[@kathleankeesler1639]

Thank you.

[@johnbass7551]

Watching you two, wish I had stayed in academia. Youre doing a yeoman's work. With thinkers like you, there is yet hope for balance in higher ed. "Objective Validity" Bam!

[@BighnicHnicBAWSESTATUS]

Sure…. But the Gilbert documentary is the only reason they are having this convo

[@bradnobl]

@30:50 The Hoodie Mystique caught the public eye, politicians donning hoodies etc. Now every bad dude wears a hoodie of some sort. This is the Trayvon Effect on the public.

[@pghshops]

No privacy for Internet. No longer. 14:00

[@kaifesky2051]

Asante for the Information please stay in your Lane don’t Play Hard it’s RIDICULOUS 💭👵🏿

[@lingoistj1956]

I’m beginning to see parallels between this sort of racial hate hoaxing and the MeToo movement.

[@lingoistj1956]

Never mind. Loury and Mcwhorter touched on it 😁

[@moxxitycen7145]

its was NOT Diamond Ugene Rynolds.....it was BRITTNEY DIAMOND UGENE!! I MEAN CMON?? WATCH THE EFFIN DOCUMENTARY!!

[@anastasia2657]

They prosecuted because of the phony witness.

[@anastasia2657]

I felt very sorry for Rachel. She actually admitted to the hoax at her deposition. She was appalled by the whole thing.

[@molonlabe8792]

Where I can watch the Joel Gilbert film?

[@jgil14]

Watch "The Trayvon Hoax: Unmasking the Witness Fraud that Divided America” for FREE for a limited time: kzbin.info/www/bejne/h3LaZqyhfrWCeK8

[@supersequence14159]

@@jgil14 thank you for everything...

[@pdumpsterful]

@@jgil14 good to see your hard work discovering the truth. Have you ever thought about an in depth investigation into jan6? Or do you think that the government would target you? The Democrats and the government were definitely involved in jan6, no question

[@johndeaux3703]

How is Joel Gilbert a "Rightwing" filmmaker? He holds no political office, hasn't run for any office, nor do I recall him espousing "right-wing" political views in his documentary or interviews.

[@pdumpsterful]

@Steve the democrats are the white supremacists. Look it up

[@annieb5647]

A Conservative is not right wing. A Conservative wants to conserve the Founding documents. That’s being in the very center.

[@eBrigid]

There was a time in American cultural life that you two would have been on TV program expressly for spirited debate among public intellectuals. The great talk show programs of the 1970s were many, and it seems not one of them survived. It is a sad that in order to witness the type of discussion you are having one must search youtube for archives of Bill Buckley's Firing Line, Dick Cavett, Tom Snyder, David Frost. Even Phil Donohue had public intellectuals on to interview and debate at 9:00 in the morning. There were two talk shows that carried on that tradition: Tavis Smiley and Charlie Rose. Now they are both gone for the same reasons. Very very few can attend the 92nd Street Y for their programming. What does this have to do with the Trayvon case? Well, the arc of the decline of the media into reckless partisan agit-prop and spin and everything-but-the-facts has no room for calm rational intellectual inquiry. Maybe this is why there is a podcast revolution going on, because the public truly does appreciate the type of discussion and analysis you two are doing here. Your students are extremely fortunate to have such excellent professors.

[@cyrene7784]

They said in court Trayvon was 5'11"

[@chrisboggs4223]

They've written the next book on surveillance capitalism with this conversation.

[@shan4901]

The only thing I left scratching my head about was diamond and Rachel, I was extremely uncomfortable at his description of diamond. It felt like a parody for much of the doc.

[@k3nn3thinatl]

I still put the Trayvon case in a different place. Falsifying a witness is unforgivable, and if true, should be prosecuted. There's no doubt that Zimmerman initiated the incident because we have the 911 call with the operator telling Zimmerman to stay away because police were on the way. Martin may have been a thug, but so was Zimmerman.

[@bradlee2594]

If there is no doubt that Zimmerman initiated the incident because the dispatcher told Zimmerman to stay away, how come you nor anyone else can explain exactly how Zimmerman initiated the incident? After Zimmerman was told, "we don't need you to do that", Zimmerman said, "OK" and then stopped running. What is it, exactly, that you think happened *after* Zimmerman stopped running?

[@pdumpsterful]

@@bradlee2594 Trayvon went back to confront Zimmerman and attack him

[@ruthannjones5873]

Texting is a different language, but so is street.

[@ericl3931]

They should do the Greg Floyd hoax

[@pdumpsterful]

Agreed

[@pdumpsterful]

The Trayvon hoax

[@annieb5647]

And the Ahmaud Arbery hoax.

[@ruthannjones5873]

Someone is trying to clear their name in public opinion because they seem to have perpetuated at lie to get their son's killer into court on charges he would not have otherwise faced.

[@rob2112rob]

Firstly, I listened to this with the realization that in just 5 months from the time this was recorded, George Floyd would die. Secondly, I just watched the film that these two fine gentleman discuss. Thirdly, I recently watched the documentary, “The Fall of Minneapolis.” What has the world come to?

[@juliekowalski8674]

I don't always agree with you, but I always appreciate hearing your POV. I don't know much about your blogging audience or your KZbin audiences, but I am curious about whether your situation supports my experience that there are more openminded and politically curious conservatives than progressives and sometimes liberals.

[@pghshops]

26:33 how can this be true?

[@moreycleveland2472]

BEN CRUMP NEEDS TO LOSE HIS LICENSE AS A ATTORNEY

[@kathleankeesler1639]

Shared n this very day!

[@pghshops]

11:04 codependents cover for criminals.

[@transparentzwindows]

Enjoyed the discussion. Why the lying? I submit page 107 of Martha Stout PhD's book The Sociopath Next Door where she shares her learning about "The PityPlay" and the power it brings.

[@stevenmarcusreleford]

Well what’s the difference of who’s the girl on the phone or in court is he dead or not ?

[@pdumpsterful]

It matters because the prosecution put on a false witness. They were out to get Zimmerman

[@stevenmarcusreleford]

@@pdumpsterful but they didnt and he got away no ?

[@pdumpsterful]

@@stevenmarcusreleford he was treated unjustly. They were out to get Zimmerman at all costs because of the mobs

[@stevenmarcusreleford]

@@pdumpsterful two ppl were alive and one died what do you mean

[@pdumpsterful]

@@stevenmarcusreleford the prosecution put on a fake witness. They were out to get Zimmerman because they wanted the rioting and unrest to stop because legally no charges should have been filed

[@Jeffwollberg]

Covington

[@redcash123]

Racist