ForeFlight & Garmin Pilot: Side-by-Side - Part 1: A Real-life IFR-to-VFR Flight

Today, with pilot and new friend Jan, we’re departing IFR, using this opportunity to observe two of the leading aviation apps... live, side-by-side. Welcome aboard! Wayne, GeezerGeek Pilot
Note: Only ForeFlight was connected to ADS-B In for display of traffic and weather.
Video Hardware and Software used for the GeezerGeek Pilot Channel:
bit.ly/wam-video-hw-sw
Jan's Channel:
/ janaleman
Music Credit:
Justin Johnson: Don’t Let Me Down (Cover)
Video Chapters:
00:00 Intro
00:31 Purpose of this Series
01:10 Departing Santa Barbara IFR
10:00 RNAV approach into Paso Robles
15:23 VFR to Oceano
16:21 Landing Oceano
18:55 Next Episode

[@tuneme12]

Excellent! You give this geezer hope! 😉

[@GeezerGeekPilot]

Thanks for watching… and all the best in your flying endeavors! Wayne (DA40 KSBA)

[@flitetym]

Lemme see if I can “chime-in” with some useful information. First of all, each platform is excellent in their own right. But I think it’s important to acknowledge and understand that the functionality and layout of the cockpit itself has fundamentally changed since the introduction of both pieces of software. So having said that, the choice between either becomes a “workflow” preference, and how the pilot can best integrate all the information presented - on and off ship - so as to prevent becoming task saturated. With that in mind - and as a subscriber to both platforms - I give ForeFlight the slightest edge if *only* because it can be “split-screened” with other (iPad, not iPhone!) apps. Other than that, I believe once the user becomes adept with the nuances of each software package, I’ve found these apps to be at a dead-heat.

[@GeezerGeekPilot]

Phil, I totally agree with you... it's a workflow and/or UI preference. Thanks for commenting! Wayne (DA40 KSBA)

[@beaulong3270]

I think the garmin would be great once you figure out how to navigate everything.

[@xxHereticHammerxx]

Great, informative, and entertaining content! Just the kind of video I needed to help decide on which EFB to go with. Thanks for uploading 👍🏼

[@GeezerGeekPilot]

Glad it was helpful! Thanks for watching. Wayne (DA40 KSBA)

[@topofthegreen]

For flight while more expensive, is far better.

[@pilotpaulkim]

Nice job on the RNAV approach and great view of the Oceano field. Oceano is one of my future destinations to check out. Thanks for sharing!

[@GeezerGeekPilot]

Paul, agreed... Oceano is a cool/funky place. Thanks for watching! Wayne

[@myadventuresinflight]

Really enjoyed the flight, the dialogue and the comparison of both products. Great job!

[@GeezerGeekPilot]

Glad you enjoyed it! Thanks. Wayne (DA40 KSBA)

[@josephmaina4888]

I really like this💯💯💯

[@GeezerGeekPilot]

Joseph, thanks for watching! Wayne (DA40 KSBA)

[@Parr4theCourse]

You must have "Southern" roots: I'll 'DALEY" just a little bit here, Love it!! Great SIDE-by-SIDE comparison, they appear to be very similar.

[@GeezerGeekPilot]

Ron, my roots are all west of Appalachia (western NY, PA, so midwest in nature and vocabulary. Indeed, I'm guessing that ForeFlight and Garmin Pilot are more similar than they are different. Thanks for watching! Wayne

[@Parr4theCourse]

@@GeezerGeekPilot Well, if you would have said: “Dilly-Daley” then you definitely have some Southern roots!!

[@GeezerGeekPilot]

Oh, I do say Dilly-Daley (when it's a very long Daley)... so there must be roots down South :-).

[@MYGM350]

you could include in your comparisons « Air Navigation » much better done and cheaper than « Foreflight » for VFR helicopter operations, much easier and more practical to insert coordinates in flight, especially during forest firefighting operations, and show us other practical advantages.

[@GeezerGeekPilot]

Good feedback, Michel, especially for the heli and firefighting aspects. Appreciate it. Wayne (DA40 KSBA)

[@LA_HS]

Great video and nice music!!! New subscriber.

[@GeezerGeekPilot]

Glad you enjoyed the video. Thanks for watching. Wayne (DA40 KSBA)

[@rosiepongracz]

Hi Wayne. Great videos, thanks for creating them. From one engineer and PPL to another 🛫🤓 Question: can you share your iPad mount please.

[@GeezerGeekPilot]

Thanks, Rosie, for watching! Here's the RAM X-Grip mount that I use... www.amazon.com/RAM-Universal-Locking-Suction-RAM-B-166-UN8U/dp/B00B4IXTMI/ref=sr_1_15?crid=35G6DAC12O80A&dchild=1&keywords=ram+suction+cup+mount&qid=1593524538&sprefix=ram+su%2Caps%2C210&sr=8-15

[@rosiepongracz]

@@GeezerGeekPilot Thank you so much for the quick reply!

[@jimtorley70]

What do you use to provide AHRS for ForeFlight? Thanks for ANOTHER interesting and instructive video :)

[@GeezerGeekPilot]

Jim, I have 2 options to drive the AHRS in ForeFlight... the GTX345R from my G1000 panel, or the Stratus 2. I choose to use the Stratus so that I have backup AHRS 100% independent of ship power. Thanks for watching the videos, I appreciate the interest. Thanks! Wayne (DA40 KSBA)

[@jimtorley70]

@@GeezerGeekPilot Thanks, Wayne. I use the FS-210 via Connext for AHRS in FF and the synthetic vision is not very stable, unlike what I saw in your video. I am looking forward to Part 2!!

[@da40fan27]

Regarding your autopilot, it looked like (at least at first) you didn't have the course needle pointing in the direction of the course. The KAP140 gets confused in NAV mode unless the needle is at least close to the right direction. Also, for LPV approaches, for the KAP 140 you have to manually activate the GS when prompted by a message. You the hit the PROC key, activate Enable A/P APR Outputs then hit the APPR key on the KAP140. It appeared in the video there was a message flashing.

[@GeezerGeekPilot]

@DA40Fan, wow that's good insight! Jan flies this club KAP-equipped DA40 and I'll make sure he sees your comment. Of course, for my DA40/GFC700 it's not an issue (and thus my total ignorance :-). Thanks for watching (so carefully) and for taking the time to provide such good info! Wayne (DA40 KSBA)

[@janaleman]

You are correct. I have seen this before our in DA40 as well. And for some time our DA40 did this quite well, you have the needles going correct, then go NAV and it will work. However in the past months our NAV function is consistently failing and puts the plane in a left turn. You are also correct on the second point, there is a series of steps you need to follow with the KAP140 and if you dont follow them it doesnt work.

[@da40fan27]

@@janaleman Thanks. So far the KAP140 in my 2003 DA40 continues to work well. I'm adding an Aspen EFD this month. Hopefully, that will improve performance.

[@fritzthek]

Simply very interesting - and: so you like the DA 40? It´s an Austrian plane!

[@GeezerGeekPilot]

Friedrich, oh yes, ich bin total zufrieden mit meinem DA40. Flown her over 2000 hours in 6 years, including separate trips to Cuba, Colombia, and the Caribbean. Thanks for checking in. Wayne (DA40 KSBA)

[@fritzthek]

@@GeezerGeekPilot 👍✈️

[@victorpascual4988]

👍👍👍👍

[@GeezerGeekPilot]

Victor, thanks!

[@MinneapolisSpotting]

i will stick to flt plan go

[@grillingwithwoos]

What were those foggles called again?

[@GeezerGeekPilot]

Overcasters... IMHO they're awesome: www.sportys.com/overcasters-view-limiting-device.html

[@grillingwithwoos]

@@GeezerGeekPilot awesome. Thanks much for the reply and link. I wear glasses and really hate the hood so I’ll order me a pair of these

[@timmartin6410]

No question ForeFlight is top self, but they do force you into purchasing an expensive iOS product. If ForeFlight was available for Android, I'd probably try it, to me Apple is overrated and over priced. iFlyEFB runs on Android, Windows, and iOS...as it should be.

[@GeezerGeekPilot]

Tim, thanks for commenting. For some reason, EFB authors (Garmin Pilot in particular) seem to have difficulty developing a product on Android that is of the same quality and currency as their iOS product. Wayne (DA40 KSBA)