Is this a Grand Champion or Rocket League Pro?

[@WaytonPilkin]

My Twitch: www.twitch.tv/wayton

[@Zyphlyx]

Cool

[@motivationalmoments5134]

How much fucking ads have you put on this video

[@rhinoshark239]

It's an unfair test. This test is dependent on the region that the guesser plays in though. For Example, an OCE GC is better than an NA GC because of player base size, but an NA pro is better than an OCE pro. So an OCE player might look at an NA SSL and think it's GC gameplay and an NA player might look at an OCE pro and think it's GC gameplay. To make it a fairer test, you should get (for example) OCE players guessing on OCE gameplay and NA players guessing on NA gameplay.

[@balloky]

@@motivationalmoments5134 use a add blocker dummy

[@Ripler]

13:07 at this moment....the move you did after you scored made me sure it is 100% you LMAO

[@gregoryzelevinsky9837]

I really could not tell the difference between gc and ssl, but I think pro play is pretty recognizable by the coordination between the teammates. They're in comms and practice together all the time, so like some of the passes are dead giveaways (or like one of them the player turned away from a nice ball when the teammate went up)

[@yillowo]

the difference between gc and ssl is the intention of peoples touches/quality of touches, not just touching it to touch it

[@suzannefaulkner139]

Interesting

[@suzannefaulkner139]

I came 11th in the competition

[@dagomyre4417]

I agree, It's very hard to see if that player is just having a bad day or when they're making mistakes and also GC and SSL while being far apart its very very difficult because you have to pay close attention to not what they know how to do but how they do it and the quality of their gameplay.

[@AlexPerrin1987]

I would agree but that last clip really through me off hard... Haha

[@ninobtf1310]

Once kaydop did a "guess my rank" stream/video. One of the replay was him playing ranked 2s at 2200mmr. He guessed himself GC1/2, so yeah, we all suck at guessing ranks

[@compszn]

HE LOOKED LIKE MY GC TEAMMATES WDYMMMM

[@flam8094]

****while reading his chat

[@Peculiar2]

33 people thought Sunless was a pro player, yeah I think you are right when you say we're bad at guessing ranks...

[@josh0147]

I played on a new account (I’m C1) against a gold and he said I should play for NRG

[@gausly]

it’s proof that if people don’t see crazy flashy mechanics like a triple reset or sum they automatically guess a lower rank

[@jrflush2157]

@@josh0147 Well it’s a gold so they probably thought you were a god or something

[@josh0147]

@@jrflush2157 that was my point lower ranks don’t understand

[@josh0147]

@@gausly also yeah played with my little brother in a D1 lobby and was obviously winning by a lot (he’s G2) and they kept saying freestyle and because I cant flip reset and i messed a double tap up they were saying I’m carried

[@sebastiankurfer8263]

Just a quick appreciation of the „mute, unmute“ throughout the video to differentiate between commentary and voice over. It’s nice to see how much thought he puts into viewer experience every time, it’s the small things. Keep it up! 😁

[@TeddyGoali]

I think this would be interesting to do with 2s and 1s as well. Also, maybe do it with an audience of strictly GC or higher, and see how they perform. I feel like people are more accurate at guessing ranks around theirs.

[@jleino_9064]

I feel 1s would not be as good. Like pro 1s is so much different from gc and low ssl. But 2s i agree definitely

[@AbhishekJain-zu1uf]

those game modes depend on mechanics I think that might make it a bit easier

[@paulowwwww]

And with names plates (anonymized : " player 1 ; player 2 "). Because on these clips we can’t know were are mates and were are opponants, so it’s difficult to juge the positionning.

[@JacobRise1492]

I'm diamond two, I can't tell the difference between an SSL or a GC, the winter major just happened, so I could tell the pro players well, but not the others.

[@shadowyzephyr]

What I noticed as a high champ player is that I could usually tell the GCs and the SSLs apart, but I underguessed the pros. Probably because I'm simply too low ranked to see the differences in pro decision making that elevate it above GC and SSL.

[@ChrysGaines]

As a GC level streamer, this hits home 😂 People always hop into stream, watch 1 minute of gameplay, and the the first thing out of their mouth is “there’s no way ur gc”. There are so many different ways to play and win in this game, you need to watch a player for way longer to really get an accurate gauge of where they are ranked.

[@A_VorteX]

I love how Wayton said multiple times that he mixed up the items but I see some guys in the chat saying "alpha boost" or "gc car design", some people just don't pay attention.

[@Kelvenocity]

imagine the gcs ego after 68 people thought he was ssl

[@abdulrehmankhawajah4715]

lol

[@otaroishida1784]

Hey great idea! Would love to see a 2nd episode, maybe with one guest who could guess the rank and explain, with a focus on EXPLANATIONS. I think it would allow us to better reconise what makes the difference between pros and GCs. Love from France

[@balthazarduclos2673]

I second this! Would love to see some analysis to help us understand

[@Frank_D14]

The final one was the easiest for me. The willingness to go with 0 boost is a dead give away. GC and SSL would have been to scared with 0 boost for so long

[@40krocks21]

Ha that was the exact moment it clicked for me as well!

[@swagie_]

didn't even notice that. the jump during the airdribble made me think of appjack. the rest of the gameplay looked like it was at that skill level. wrong player but same team ig.

[@LoneBeastYT]

i was more confused as to why isnt he able to get microboost well but turns out the play was too fast to get the boost going

[@gmseven4150]

This taught me that I really ought to watch pro gameplay from one camera angle more. All the casted stuff is from multiple angles, and it makes everything so frantic and fast-paced. When you watch from just one perspective, you can see how the pros slow down and bide their time occasionally. Thanks, Wayton.

[@theeggthatsurvivedhowtobas778]

For anyone confused on how that's turbo pulsa 1. He using dominus 2. He's never been known for good mechanics

[@bene_1_734]

Also he got every single pad while watching the play the whole time

[@energetic0oak329]

0:16 "everyone in the community overestimates their abilities" i can't even understan how i'm c2 (and already got c3) without knowing how to air dribble or double touch

[@gotticketsjr2108]

On the turbo one I literally said “this is either a gc or a pro who plays really slow and patient” it’s so hard to tell when you can’t see nameplates because positioning in pro play makes it stand out so much.

[@yurilopes420]

BRO I CANT SEE ANYTHING WITHOUT THE NAMEPLATES legit got jumpscared a couple times cause i legit cant see players without the name plates

[@matiyoperso4733]

It was a very good tournament, gg to all participants and thanks again to wayton for organizing this tournament !

[@a3denclaggett254]

omg the legend

[@tomdolben]

4:50 "platinum because his mechanics are god" Nothing more true than that.

[@Koppakuoriainen]

Next video: Pro, SSL and GC vs Pro, SSL and GC in a regular 3vs3 to see if we can spot who is who. Or even if both teams can spot who is the PRO, SSL, GC in the other team. I can't spot the difference in games above my rank but it would be cool to have a video that shows how much better a SSL is against a GC and do i dare to say "suck" compared with a pro?

[@atomickrispies]

I made GC1 for the first time last season and came to 2 conclusions: 1- The skill gap between C2 and GC1 is honestly non-existent. I run into equally (in)competent players in all 3 of those ranks and outside of more consistent rotations there's basically no difference in my eyes. 2- The skill gap between GC1 and GC2+ is MASSIVE. That is the rank where you need to start being mechanically/rotationally "perfect". So yall need to remember if someone brags about being a GC but they are somehow in your ranked game there's a *very* strong chance they are only GC1 and tell them that there's nothing special about that.

[@wenoudegame9634]

There's really THAT big a difference between GC1 and GC2? As a D1 player I am quite confused

[@Mattrocity1337]

@@wenoudegame9634 surprisingly yes. it feels like the rank where mechanical decencies start getting punished SUPER hard all of sudden. this results in players only slightly worse being unable to secure consistent wins through better decision making.

[@markm7936]

thats so untrue lmao even gc1 is a lot more consistent then c1-c2, ive played with a bunch of my champ friends in casual and ranked and when i bring them into gc1 lobbies u can tell they shouldnt be there lost, even my one c3 friend is just always out of position in high gc1 low gc2 lobbies. sure the players arent the greatest at gc1 but to say the difference is non-existent is just flat out wrong. im gc2 btw

[@mspaintlive8995]

I'm playing with former GC players all the time in my champ lobbies and I shit you not they are always the worst fucking players in the lobby and also rage quit 90% of the time

[@iamreverz6258]

anecdotal evidence is anecdotal, in my experience, it took me over a year to get from mid-high champ to GC, then in a week I reached GC2. Might just be my play was pretty good in most aspects and fixing something little gave me a massive bump, but I fully disagree that c2 and gc1 are any close

[@ratulsaha9487]

The 5th one really felt like GC or SSL but no way in hell did it feel like a RLCS Pro gameplay.

[@Bweyg]

Wow...

[@Minuey]

Dude, are you serious? Look at the fundamentals. Incredibly solid. Easily a pro.

[@commander8625]

@@Minuey the communication seemed weird during that clip. I'm not sure whether that's because the rotations were so frantic or because we didn't really see any calm and collected team plays. Yeah, the fundamentals were good, but you'd expect that at that level (not necessarily gc, but it isn't impossible), considering that SSL is the top 100 players.

[@RyanGoldfishTV]

Lol, for the Turbo one, I literally said, this is either a GC or it's Turbopolsa. Absolutely nailed it!

[@RyanGoldfishTV]

Also, I got nearly all of them right, some of them I was in two minds about like on the edge of SSL/Pro (Kaydop's one for example, which I thought might have been Flakes but decided to go with SSL). Dunno how so few people got Metsa's clip correctly. Although I think I actually remember watching that game.

[@tobymcleister2887]

That turbo one confused me so much lol, knew it was pro or gc, just not sure which

[@swift8821]

Great video, you proved that one minute of gameplay isn’t enough to judge a player’s rank.

[@marcuscowles3384]

I love how wholesome Wayton's content is, RL content creators are my favourite community

[@TheRealJustHen]

Didn't realize how hard it is to distinguish the ranks between players. Great video!!

[@inspiredByFlorian]

i guessed everything right except the turbo clip i thought there is no way a ssl or pro has these recoveries

[@Feztek626]

That’s what I’m saying lmao

[@jawadalam4409]

How did people get Scrub wrong? The save positioning inside the net to save the ball, the ball progression with the air dribble into flip reset, correct reads from the walls, etc. Which GC do you see ever doing that?

[@mat6522]

@Jacob_Rl lol when you’re first man you usually challenge if you’re beat to force the ball somewhere else or get a lucky challenge

[@MrPatrickbuit]

@Jacob_Rl Pros challenge even when they're going to be beat because it forces the opponent to throw the ball away, limiting their plays. Literally look at BDS, one of the best teams in the world. The first man always rushes in to challenge in the midfield.

[@AsherLovesGod]

Can I just say that there is a video that I think striped did where pro rank guessers judged the rank of past Rlcs pros, and turbopolsa and other older pros got put at around high champ to mid gc

[@lmkskater21]

It’s very hard to tell what’s going on without name plates. Like specifically to understand where to commit relative to the opponents

[@paulowwwww]

👍

[@roro1826]

small things like the mute vs audio on illustration is what makes wayton great content creator, keep it up bro

[@samm2209]

I have never been so sure of myself than thinking "number 3 is definitely either low GC or turbopolsa"

[@NicoTNG]

The last one was the easiest I feel like, cause the bump play by Scrub showed it had to be a highly competitive game with comms

[@AJZyron]

playing the game is such a different experience as opposed to watching it, it becomes a lot more difficult to determine the true differences between ranks. I think it's because when actually playing the game you really get a feel for every player's skill on the feild, but when watching it you don't get to interact with the players and compare yourself to them properly.

[@xanderveal]

Being a gc I can see straight away another gc clip. The single jump airials and mindless idling in the middle of the pitch with 20 boost is so recognisable

[@matthewferr1289]

it'd be interesting to see pros try to guess too, if they can read the skills of players better

[@juhaniu6371]

People always forget that the other people in the match are similiar skill level. So they compare their own skills to the players and think that the player's opponents are bots or something. They expect some 10-0 beating from every ssl or pro player and forget that they are matched against such players too so it's not going to go like that.

[@anassgh5371]

yoo dude the video edit is hot

[@Deerson]

That was sooo entertaining!! Great job Wayton! 🙌

[@MrPinkDino]

any rlcs pros were the easiest to guess for me. Other ranks I just don't know too well but when you see rlcs pros, their confidence, perfect and strong positioning, insane good recoveries and laser perfect fast aerials all together just smack you in the face, no matter what they do, even when there are some minor mistakes shown. I guessed all rlcs pro replays in the first 10 seconds. Other were much more luck and I was wrong about many but I knew it would be like that.

[@ernestryles]

The pros were super easy for me to spot. They had extremely efficient movement, always pathed over pads, and never wasted boost. The GCs often were the complete opposite. Thanovic burned a TON of boost in his clip.

[@ayofiji4218]

Sliding the winner the goal explosion quickly towards the end was a nice slick touch

[@NorthstarUK]

The third one really threw me off, I was watching the other players so much that It didn't occur to me how flawless the dominus was playing. Damn!

[@calsfn]

Wayton one problem with this system you have here these pro player games are against players that arent pros because especially some pros are not high ranks they play scrims not ranked

[@TheLuckster]

0:27 how the- what the- please make a video of your editing process

[@sebp2490]

When you win the kahoot 😁 but end up with nothing 😭 for real tho was still a blast thanks for the opportunity to win th 10k would of neraly got me to the tw octane but oh well and and btw any of you have a spare 10k credits HMU lmao

[@cedric63]

I was 13th place and in top5 for 3 rounds🥲

[@sebp2490]

@@cedric63 damn broo that sucks but winning the quiz then ending without the credits was kind sad ngl

[@amralaa45]

@@cedric63 iam pretty sure your twitch usernameis cedric_N because it appears quite alot in the twitch chat but nice

[@cedric63]

@@amralaa45 yes

[@cedric63]

@@sebp2490 yeah bro thats sad but you did well

[@kingthing3142]

I can relate to thinking someone’s rank should be lower. example: Every time I miss a basic aerial…”what the heck how am I a diamond?!?”

[@tylerkeen5224]

There's two types of players. The unfortunately rare "I'm champ but actually should be plat" and the concerningly common "I'm plat 2 but deserve GC bc tm8 bad" lol

[@kingthing3142]

There are two types of players in this world…those who are bad at the game, and those who are bad at the game and think they’re good.

[@thisisadrian145]

@@tylerkeen5224 I actually have a friend with the champ but plat mentality. His mechanics are above average but he says he needs to work on his game sense a lot.

[@swagie_]

@@thisisadrian145 that's good tho, gamesense is key for anyone willing to get to the top ranks. it also is easier than learning mechs first imo.

[@thisisadrian145]

@@swagie_ He says he should be plat but honestly, I think he can still probably stay in low to mid champ. If he chooses to grind again (he kinda quit recently) I'm certain he can get to gc.

[@seifenspender]

8/10. Happy with that result. And I suck at the game. Looking for boost management after your tip really made the difference. Since all of these players are pretty insane tho, I would say most can learn from them including me regardless.

[@IRCIsaac]

I was hoping you'd share some stats about how bad/good people were in general at guessing!

[@sebp2490]

I was 1st in the kahoot and got 8 out of 10 😁😁😁

[@opliko]

I think limiting the footage to 1 minute makes it harder by just limiting the amount of gameplay you can watch. RL is streaky and guessing a rank realistically needs like 2-3 games played over a few weeks for a more accurate guess

[@Bweyg]

That's the point. It shows how hard it is to REALLY guess what someone's rank is just because of one small clip.

[@kari-mr1kz]

12:04 idk how but by only hearing your commentery i knew that it was sunless im a freacking magician

[@loganmanagh2268]

Fun interactive video thanks Wayton

[@OurLadyOfSlime]

Ey Wayton did you pull stats on the overall pool of guesses? I'd be curious to see how it compares to random chance. it's kind of funny to me how much folks see stuff like this and apparently think the lesson to take is, "ah ok i have to feel out the best analytical framework for guessing rank based on tiny samples" as opposed to, "hey maybe i shouldn't try to guess people's rank based on tiny samples"

[@jrflush2157]

This was a great video, it really showed the difference from high level gameplay. You are right though people tend to judge others ranks just from gameplay that they see on KZbin or Twitch.

[@nanterzn]

unfortunately I am a Vitality fan (in general not only rl) and I knew for Kaydop because I saw how they played also Champions Field and the overtime (typical game 5 or 7 rlcs) and I recognized the decal of Alpha (I dont know if u mix the decal of the mates too but alpha's favorite decal is the anodized pearl orange pink...typical EU fennec decal). Lately they are not playing good enough (twice top16 for the last minor...) so it was a little tricky imo. Nice vid btw but to be honest you should put only NA gameplay for the pros for EU fan it was easier to find the EU players or at least the team so it should be easier for NA fan to find NA pros imo (unless if it was on purpose to make it more difficult)

[@mnty2464]

Coming back from school and seeing a notification from Wayton makes my day

[@unfixingchunk2814]

This is the quality content I could watch all day!

[@khier6139]

Boost management and mistakes always give it away!

[@THEDARKILLERS46]

The only takeaway from this video is you cannot possibly tell for sure one's rank from 1 minute of gameplay or even a full game

[@redandsoulles132]

That's the reason why i am not judging my team mates after one game. I don't say "my team mate was trash" i say "that maybe wasn't his best performance". The games are too short to judge most of the time.

[@delta6957]

Lol I thought Wayton was a high ssl or a pro

[@thundercrowz]

I thought the clip at the end was musty so I chose ssl

[@bakkydooda]

technically, tbates is sub for eunited, meaning he is a pro

[@Agefonduge]

Honestly, Scrub seemed easy to guess (not as easy as Kaydop). I'm happy that i guessed correctly every pro, but still didn't do well for the others

[@Malam_NightYoru]

yeah, i missed the pro, tho, i started guessing Atomic from G2, even with the backflip mistake. It was not that it don't happen on Pro Level, but the speed level on the finale was high and it was pretty decisive.

[@TEK-]

Even though he said don't focus on skins, the pizza wheels messed me up

[@Malam_NightYoru]

@@TEK- I think most of the people focused on the alpha boosts and all, i was looking for rotations and positioning. Sunless clip got pretty obvious since i saw all of the sunless team on the same fuckin side of the field

[@TEK-]

@@Malam_NightYoru Oh definitely, I watched that game in RLCS and remembered scrub bumping joreuz into the save. But those damn pizza wheels messed me up 😂

[@jawadalam4409]

that was one of the easiest to guess i feel like. the save from the net, the ball progression with with flip reset, correct reads from the back wall. it was way better than gc for sure

[@drawpd]

You should do this with a bunch of pros trying to figure the difference of GC to pro

[@orzlygg]

I threw the last few kahoot questions but oh well. Was fun wayton!

[@helamoroni6361]

Actually a banger video. Do another one of these.

[@GregTurismo]

I think part of the reason why it’s hard to guess pros, is I only see them play different game modes online. And when I see them okay RLCS, I only see their pov for a few seconds or for clips like goals. So I guess I actually don’t know what a full minute of pro play looks like apart from videos like these.

[@lynxthunderstorm5310]

I think that the hardest part is they all at least know how to do every mechanic, so it’s really hard to guess

[@shroomiiik2312]

yeah, honestly, it makes complete sense that we suck at it. most of us are below grand champion, which means that even if we focus on the flaws, we don't completely know if the flaws were actually flaws.

[@SALEENS7GTR5]

My guess is that many people have not watched pro players in scrims often, and instead see most pro level gameplay from the RLCS, where the camera hides much of the speed and decision making of players. There is also a large, and noticeable difference between high SSL and low SSL.

[@justins6513]

today i learned that the pro gameplay seems to be more patient which I think is why alot of people (including myself) voted the pros lower. Because they are not going up for every ball I thought "oh they're probably nervous... and so they can't be a pro." however, when you take a step back to watch it again, its actually a really good decision to not go for that ball, and they made that decision alot faster than the lower ranks. Also... Question: were the Pro games taken off of something like an RLCS brodcast where all the players were going "full tryhard" or were they taken from they're stream? because I feel like pros play much different in RLCS than they do in just a ranked game.

[@valentinb.117]

The thing is that players of any of those ranks could look like the complete opposite for a minute. Even a streaky GC can imitate the game of a pro for a small timeframe. It’s not a secret that it’s the incredible consistency what makes a Pro a Pro…

[@RandomGuy500lol]

Every time a new video comes out I start Wayton for the next one

[@DizzyWho]

Great video! I was wrong everywhere but the last clip. LOL

[@dragons321]

With player 7 I knew it was sunless as I could imagine him comemtating and laughing at his mistakes

[@krusko5644]

Wayton, i love the variety of ur content! You have so many good ideas man. Keep it up ❤️

[@yourfellowjettmain9858]

in the turbopulsa clip you can also see he was going for demos so that's what made me guess rlcs

[@willalexander1439]

The image of seth rogan instead of sunless is hilarious xD 12:02

[@danielmullane5387]

The only reason I knew that it was a European pro on the last one was because the opponent had a mustang and onl joyo uses mustangs haha

[@ashbvrn2664]

swear to god i would of got those 10k credits i got most of them right but missed 3 and got the finale one right

[@quimystic]

12:04 you could tell it was sunless, the way he wavedashes is a bit different to other people, quite recognisable

[@murlokgg]

it gets even harder 2 years after that video, especially with kaydop who I thought was a GC for sure

[@Myst1c_OW]

bro i hate how 90 percent of twitch chat was just spamming "this is wayton" and then after it finally was they said "I CALLED IT!" like... no tf u didnt

[@probablychad6136]

I got 4 right, and really proud of one of them being Turbo based on his calculated touches.

[@lego14yt24]

the differences btween every rank is the game speed GC: slower ,more ground play and the manage their boost worse than ssl and RL pro (they go for big boost more times than taking pats) SSL: faster, they play im the ground or in the air and they manage the boost better than GC (they take pats more often than the GC and they go for big boost if there is no danger) RL pro: super fast play , they are a lot in the air and they manage boost perfectly (they dont go for big boost every time they need)

[@jaammmees]

12:45 I’m more interested in the camera settings, which is how I got most of the questions right

[@Mohamedshrapy]

Good content wayton! keep up the vids

[@jurian-_-]

Hi!! how are you Wayton in these days!? Love the content!

[@mist6250]

your advice was on point. It really changed my guesses.

[@matejnovosad9152]

It is true. GC+ is very hard to guess especially when you only have a minute to tell and you are not at those higher ranks and do not know what goes into being at the better rank

[@aminthedrifter]

Wayton says we guys suck, meanwhile me guessing everything right and even who the player was ;-;

[@itzHaze]

its kinda easy Diffrence bettween good and bad is easy as SSL look way faster and mechanical than GC's and RLCS Pros play less mechanical but by their reaction times you can tell they have the mechanics they hold off going for crazy shots and look GC to most people

[@scoobgaming9343]

bro you make phenomenal content thank you!

[@sethschneider9764]

You should get a couple pros and have them play in a tournament with lower ranked players. 2 pros and a plat working together would be funny

[@mitsimitsii]

ok so the one at 8:30 ish only looked like a gc imo cause of some of the slow downs, but i think that might've just been an off day for 'em

[@minineji2769]

wayton should try guessing the ranks now

[@No-we4ux]

Bro, the turbo pulse one isn’t even fair. His mechanics make him look like he’s milk carton 2 but his decision making is that of the 4 time 🥶

[@adampendleton7393]

guys one trick to see if it is an RLCS pro is the stadiums. RLCS matches usually are in Champions Field or the Forbidden Temple.

[@zixby]

played along in here, got 8/10 but couldve gotten 9/10 as i thought the wayton design was a double bluff lmao

[@thexxlgamer2094]

I missed nearly every kahoot one but I knew the last guy was scrubkilla after the double save