We Are In A META CRISIS - Here's 5 Ways To FIX Light/Dark VS Prismatic Subclasses BALANCE Issues PVE

[@Chablo91]

Voting was done here >> www.youtube.com/@Chablo91/community Information for the above video mainly come from you the viewers. So here are some of the ways bungie can re-balance the game.

[@ChaosRaych]

I know game balancing is tough & power creep is a real issue, but as a player, I'll always prefer buffing under-performing options over nerfing meta options. There needs to be more of a reason to 'specialize' in one element. Right now, the only reason to run the actual subclass is if you want certain Aspects & Fragments that Prismatic doesn't have. That's not good enough when you have access to Transcendence. I really like the idea of a Light/Dark version of Transcendence. For lore, call it Meditation. Your Guardian is so in-tune with that specific element that they can concentrate long enough to gain additional powers for a brief period, like a true specialist! I believe Ikora has done something similar in the lore. Side Note: The lore reason for Transcendence is that we've spent all this time learning that Light & Dark are 2 sides of the same coin, & we "had" to combine all our knowledge & powers to defeat the Witness. Maybe it's cope, but I'm still holding out hope for another Darkness subclass so that we have 3 of each. Just for the sake of balance & possible synergy with Weapons of Sorrow. Plus, if you were to add them up, 3 Light + 3 Dark + Prismatic, it would make Bungie's favorite number: 7 lol

[@ThePackman627]

I completely agree. People don't use certain grenades, melees, aspects because they are bad. Those need to be brought up

[@tylerlloydboone]

I agree with you about buffing under performing options. It really sucks when you fall in love with a weapon, looks sounds and all and it just shoot nerf darts 🎯

[@looksnormal]

there are several Darkness concepts that haven't been explored yet, but I don't think "corrosion" power discovered by the hive is a paracausal force, or even related to one

[@BlackMagik12]

Appreciate the breakdown. I really hope they don't nerf prismatic, but instead buff the classes.

[@GrandmaDestiny]

Yes, let us use the class item on Light subclasses! Great conversation, Chablo.

[@Auxxio0]

I was thinking about having 3-4 different sets of prismatic. Where each set has different aspects / fragments so each one is limited, but different per set of aspects

[@StayPuft80]

Great video. Light transcendence would be game-changing. Having the buff for weapons, would love that. Prismatic is definitely going to get a bad hitting at some point

[@asperry97]

Thank you, Chablo, at the start of. The video I was a proponent of adversity but by the end I enjoyed your approach and liked your suggestions. Very well done

[@zeroshadowzs]

I think light subclasses should get an extra fragment slot on some of there aspects, and new fragments that give them all increased utility and/or damage

[@CaydoFox]

Make the class items be able to be used on other subclasses. There’s no reason to NOT make other unusable subclasses OP and be on par with prismatic

[@pino_9289]

Very insightful video! I'd like to add that I feel like the release of prismatic is a little different from something like Stasis os Strand (though take my words with a grain of salt because I started playing D2 in May/June this year so I'm relatively new). Stasis and Strand were something new and different while prismatic "stole" a bunch of things from existing classes and made them arguably better. Spamming consecration with 3 melee charges. Having easy access to devour and making it even easier to chain it. Stuff like that. I feel like Void got hit the hardest (on Hunter and Warlock) only because of Devour and Stylish executioner (which are the two staple aspects for Void builds for Hunters and Warlocks), while Solar is the subclass that was hit less hard. For Stasis and strand, it's incredibly easy to freeze/suspend/unravel/whatever everything on Prismatic and Prismatic has much more survivability than the two darkness subclasses. Another thing which I've found is that Prismatic fragments often have stat buffs rather than debuffs. I've almost never had a double 100 statline on a mono subclass and I'm easily reaching double 100 on Prismatic, sometimes even a triple 100. It's kinda sad because each subclass is fun and cool in its own right. Prismatic was supposed to be jack of all trades, master of none (at least imo) but Bungie has created a literal monster. I'd love to hear your thoughts on my exceedingly long text Mr. Chablo, thank you in advance :)

[@skintxisu]

Great video, loved it

[@RTB1400]

Your meta discussions like this are always some great food for thought.

[@pencilswordfish]

Yeah, when they introduced Transcendence they put it in thinking that Prismatic would ship underwhelming so that added a little extra bump to make Prismatic compelling. That was a mistake as we all know by now. It's basically a second Super. Now Prismatic is head and shoulders above all other Subclasses. And I don't think there's any amount of Balancing to Transcendence that can make it on par with the basic Subclasses - at the end of the day Prismatic has 2 Supers, and other Subclasses have 1, that's it. And it's too late to bring that genie back in the bottle. We can't overnerf or remove Transcendence or people will riot. I agree, the solution is to add a Transcendence to all other Subclasses. The question is what that will be. I think it shouldn't be complicated. Just make it so that Transcendence lets you spam your regular Grenade and melee for a short duration, that's it. I think we should start simple. Or make it a Second Super as that's basically what Transcendence is anyway, I dunno. All that said, Transcendence is due for a nerf tho. having an Ability Spam mode for a LONG time that can be EXTENDED is ridiculous and basically better than a Super. It shouldn't last so long.

[@looksnormal]

if the best builds with it we're less effective (less damage, slower regen, or whatever) it would be sort of okay comparatively. The biggest issue is that when you build into it and use the broken overpowered meta builds, it trivializes everything and renders all other abilities and subclasses useless

[@martintunys3698]

Nice video mate. My opinion would be not nerfing prismatic. You can have many really cool and strong builds with prismatic subclasses and with the exotic class items it has become even better. With light subclasses you are quite limited to only a few options.

[@vincethegreat3066]

Just started the video so haven’t heard much yet but I loved your idea on the other one of giving us two super bars on the light and dark classes. 1.) let us choose two supers and one is primary, does everything it currently does. The other one is secondary but can be used more for utility. Imagine being able to use Sentinel shield for roaming and bubble for safety or Twilight Arsenal for DPS. They can just cut down the activation time of sentinel shield if it’s the secondary. 2.) The radiant idea you had was crazy good. It’s so hard to pair incandescent weapons because the heavy weapon options are lacking in so many areas in the game. I have to give up some good perks just to make sure I have incandescent on it. 3.) Can we get a one and done damage option for stasis Titan? I love the DPS and add clear of glacial quake but I can’t use that on every boss. We need another option. Same with Strand Titan. 🍺 here’s to hoping 2025 provides more options or answers some of these questions.

[@ratherbedealingarms]

They could make more costly to build into transcendence, such as making it so only ability damage builds transcendence unless you slot in facets (grace for kinetic; sacrifice for light; devotion for darkness) to enable weapons to build transcendence. That would make facet selection more dear.

[@ThrushiD]

@chablo 91 what do you think about opening up aspects to be as easy to use on single subclasses as they are on prismatic

[@chaserucker604]

I like the two super bar idea, but the supers have to be different. For example, you have arc Titan with Thundercrash and another super bar with fist of havoc.

[@xAJAxY]

Buff Light and Dark - give max amount of fragment slots to open up build options.

[@SolidusSnakeus]

12:23 Light Erupting and Smothering Darkness : names for Light and Dark subclass “transcendence”. Feel free to use since Bungie blocked me 😢

[@MakerMontez]

they need to remove power, and throw all elements of light into prismatic it makes no sense that we break the limits for light and darkness, but for only certain supers/elements.

[@jonahbrown5669]

I'd rather Prismatic be a Jack of all trades, master of none kind of thing. Example: Using a solar subclass should yield the STRONGEST solar, while prismatic lets you use SOME solar in combination of other subclasses. Giving Prismatic access to EVERYTHING, there'd be no reason to use the other 5 subclasses, which would not only be a terrible idea, but honestly a dumb one. Just terrible game design. Simplest solution to making separate subclasses better would be giving them a second meter similar to transcendence where it buffs that specific elemental subclass.

[@MakerMontez]

@@jonahbrown5669 yeah i get where your coming from, and there is some merit to it, to me though we're the guardians of the universe so we should have all of the strongest abilities available and this also gives people more opportunities to be creative in the builds they make. The challenge with this though is that rather than skinner box weekly events bungie pushes they would need to give us consistently cohesive and more and more dangerous threats that feel refreshing and make us want to keep playing, and I don't even mean in just raids but they need to balance the grind for items in the game with content that is harder, yet very rewarding.

[@lyle7836]

@@jonahbrown5669I feel like bungie actually did exactly what you just said other than consecration Titan infinite restoration builds are only possible on base solar or chain ignition builds or only possible on base solar, for me stasis warlock is better with ice flare bolts or my arc warlock builds just don’t feel complete without electrostatic mind I do kinda feel like some things should never have been put on prismatic though stuff like feed the void aspect kinda steals the identity of void warlock in my opinion

[@chubbs_McTubbs]

Yes because when knockout consecration was the best titan build just let everyone run banner of war and consecration instead. Some aspects are too strong and should only be allowed on their respective classes

[@11superblues]

Now that was a great chat

[@Chablo91]

@@11superblues thank you brother ⭐🌜

[@James-km7yz]

Hi Chablo. In your opinion, which are the best Hunter exotics? I Hunter main and have recently retuned to D2. I see we can now focus exotics through Rahool. I have builds for the old-school classics but I don’t think I’ve had any new exotics drop since Blight Ranger. My exotic engrams with Rahool are nearly full so I guess I should look at focusing some.

[@Chablo91]

Okay best exotics on a hunter not including class item rolls. For me mask of feality / mothkeepers wraps / star eater scales / foetracer / celestial nighthawk / assassins cowl / graviton forefeight / raiden flux. Thats all I can think of now but every single exotic above is S + on a build You have quite a bit to do But I really do hope you enjoy grinding over the Christmas period good luck :)

[@ryanschlecht6087]

Okay tbf, “surpass the limits of light and darkness” could easily also mean “use them in conjunction with one another” because previously you could only use one or the other at a time.

[@Chablo91]

@@ryanschlecht6087 'surpass the limitations of light and darkness' Sounds kinda sketchy to me man

[@DaGgIrEn]

The same people complaining and want to nerf transcendence is the same people that got us here in the first place saying the game is too hard. Remove Consecretion and you will pretty much have a balanced titan, that thing is just as strong as the hammer pre nerf and pre prismatic. That's all you did, threw hammers and the game was free, the same thing is now with consecretion. Same thing with Dodge/Punch Stasis hunter, it's boring but it gets the job done in the neutral gameplay. Transcendence should matter, and not be given away for free, if you miss it and fuck up its over, wait another 3-4 minutes or die. I can honestly say i barely use Transcendence, unless i 'm about to die and have 1 hp i am not touching it.

[@texsusred73]

Make it so that the mono-element subclasses can use their entire kit, Prismatic can be the mix & match whilst the rest are can be the all in on an element.

[@sirloin7633]

You mean how the game is now ..

[@texsusred73]

@@sirloin7633 not really, I’m saying that the mono-element class should be able to use all their aspects at once, not just two.

[@H_e_X_n]

This mught be an unpopular opinion but they should have just made a 3rd darkness subclass. Trying to balance everything out seems to be an issue. But i do agree, buff the subclasses rather than nerf prismatic.

[@Chablo91]

@@H_e_X_n red subclass would have been enough for me mate. Or poison i always wanted full poison strand doesn't do that exactly.

[@H_e_X_n]

@@Chablo91 that would have been a great subclass

[@capnnslapaho-5644]

I mean if they made it where you had 1 subclass on each character but gave you all the supers, aspects, fragments, grenades, etc we have for every sub class that would be fine tbh it’s literally the same thing but if anything it’ll open up more possibilities for builds and run fragments and aspects you never could run together in the past I honestly think it’s a really good idea and it makes it where every build no matter light or dark you still have prismatic so you don’t lose out on that. Actually really smart tbh

[@jocabrera0809]

The moment prismatic entered the building a shadow was cast above all other elemental abilities. They should remove the limitations and allow the player to choose its build based on the activity. And they should concentrate in designing activities that challenge those builts.

[@lyle7836]

Lol been trying to tell my friends that claim power creep is a problem this for years that the only reason it’s a problem is because bungie purposely chooses to power creep the game they do it to sell the next big expansion it really obvious

[@MH-br3th]

D2 has a wealth of content and uniqueness that could be shaped into something great in the future. Build crafting and the gun variety are what I enjoy the most. I think to give this game a real future they need to do 3 things. 1. Simplify and balance as best they can in terms of guns, exotics, armor and class/subclasses. Having ultra-specific metas in terms of what builds and loadouts are optimal is so counterproductive when you look at what we could potentially have to work with. 2. Cut out the grindy nonsense and what I call the chores. The chores being pointless go here go there and talk to this guy type quests, bounties/pathfinder/pinnacle, and the massive amount of trash item deletion we have to deal with. This is not and never will be an mmorpg. 3. Put in a mode that would allow for a competitive e-sports scene. It has to be bigger than a 3v3 or a 6v6. Something more along the lines of a Battle Royale where 20 different teams cook up a strategy around guns and builds and go at it to see who is left standing. It's not revolutionary but it's what spectators like to watch. Then to wrap that all up they're going to have to give up on the expansion model and just slap an all in one price tag on the entire game and sell it that way. This gives a new player access to everything from day one. Then if classes, guns, ect. were properly balanced beforehand a new player wouldn't feel so lost or be told they're stupid for not knowing what's good. If everything is as viable as possible (even if it's situationally) then the player has more agency over what path they take in the game and can be successful in doing so. Sorry if that turned into a bit of a rant, but your original topic for me touched on the broader subject of 'what is the future of this game?' Just because D2 is getting old doesn't mean it has to die. The game has to evolve into something that makes sense and is marketable, because what we have now just isn't either of those things.

[@Tactical_Hobbit]

I think that at the start of the next 12 month cycle, bungie should take one of the light subclasses per charactor and add it completely into prismatic. but the selector nod in the subclass menu for where that used to be could be transformed into a custom subclass nod. that way we can essentially have two prismatic subclasses and they could be set up differently. maybe they add 1 into prismatic every 12 months. next year could be all arc being added to prismatic or something. year after could be all void being added to prismatic.

[@ianelliott8720]

Take away attribute penalties for fragments, and allow more slots. That would be an easy way to close the gap.

[@KCrofty1994]

I can’t remember when but a while back they increased ability cooldowns across the board to promote more gunplay rather than ability spam. And then there’s prismatic with transcendence completely ignoring that. Prismatic/transcendance gives you that power fantasy that the other classes have had nerfed out of them. It’s a game about space magic so let us have space magic. Best thing I could think of would be to globally decrease the cooldowns for all light/dark subclasses to maybe make them feel more powerful and on par with prismatic

[@TheManOfTheHourEveryHour]

If they introduced skating mechanics on all subclasses but Prismatic, it would solve the problem.

[@umocnicdiscographydictumri4578]

i am of the belief that speccing into a single element should unlock more fragment/aspect slots while using prismatic which would make you reconsider whether you want to use that coldsnap over being able to have icarus dash alongside your other 2 aspects. Im fully aware that would make the game difficulty absolutely trivial however i think its time for enemies to not be able to be adcleared so easily with stuff like incandescent on a legendary primary and that it is time to make the game way harder in general to compensate for bungie appealing to our power fantasies with prismatic. in other words, its time for an alien covered in metal plating feel like an actual threat however small they might be

[@retiredboi3175]

Give us a third aspect slot on prismatic and all the aspects and super from other subclasses and call it a day 👏

[@bungiehater-g2]

The frist they can do is nerf consecration. It’s absolutely absurd that titans can just one shot champions with a melee attack they can get back in seconds while warlocks need to wait a gazillion years for their super. I mean yes, when there’s a prismatic titan in my fireteam findrr, I can always and always do fight aggressively, but it just makes the gm feel like a joke

[@WHlSKYtx]

Warlocks are just fine lmao

[@bungiehater-g2]

let me know when warlocks can one shot champions xD

[@caseyl5001]

When I use something like dawn chorus on solar warlock I feel like I’m really powerful. Great super damage and tossing melees out like candy igniting and burning everyone. If they could give that kind of power to the single element subclasses without needing an exotic I think they would fare a whole lot better. As well as buffing the less useful fragments. A lot of times when I play solar I feel like there’s a lot of fragments that just seem unnecessary because I’m already doing what those fragments want to do without using them. Like the one that gives more recovery feels a bit pointless when I can just find ways to chuck healing grenades. Or the one that makes targets ignite on super kill feels a bit unnecessary because I’m already killing everything with my super. And when I don’t have my super that fragment does nothing so I’m better off using something that helps neutral game actions more actively.

[@CouchCit]

As is stands right now, the metas change from season to season due to artifact mods, sandbox changes and the activities and modifiers that they bring. Depending on the loadouts used, I dont necessarily feel like Prismatic is automatically better than light/dark subclasses. The only time I feel im at a distinct disadvantage when using light/dark is when im fighting transcendent enemies like in Excission.

[@seigneurkal2847]

Here is my idea, allow double exotics on other subclasses but prismatic

[@bungiehater-g2]

yes

[@geoffwheatley4398]

Great topic and some good suggestions from people. With all the bugs and problems making the game more complex in application may cause more issues. I don't like the artifact being locked and limited selections in columns. That resrticts what we can run. 😢

[@EliteBlackSash]

Most of The light / dark classes are also great. I use them too for certain builds. Arc Hunter is better on Arc, for example. The Supers and the extra Blinding, without artifact. The ONLY thing that I ALWAYS think when building them up… is they need extra fragment slot for most of them. You could buff them tooo, yeah. That alone opens up many new synergies. Also, with the artifact being way bigger now, as it continues through episodes - we need an extra Artifact point added to the limits. You could give light subclasses an extra 2 artifact points. You have to make some choices that come with losses / penalties on Light classes. I’m not sure I’d trust a mono-class because I feel they will bring hidden nerfs with it. Nerfing will definitely affect the Playerbase. People are really tired of that shxt. Esp with all the other problems in the game

[@zacinnc78]

i just want my rewards to work correctly first and foremost(tonics broken,double perks not dropping,weight gate still feels active )

[@anonymousanonymous-nt8ls]

1. Put timers on all content. Gms 30/45 minutes team,solo. 2. Remove consecration from prismatic. 3. Remove oscillation and haste. Game is fun and not too easy again. It would be so easy to fix the game without adding any content. Just remove, and ace a timer. Done. Takes a fucking hr. But they'll over do it again.

[@fr6938]

I think its even just the fact the prismatic is strong, more so the fact that prismatic is *FUN*. I feel like if they were to ever make a destiny 3, they should just make prismatic the only class

[@MarluxiaKH0014]

Personally, Prismatic Hunter is missing all the exciting and good things from the other classes. I can’t go invis on command which is too important in harder content, clones got nerfed to the ground they should take aggro even more than fucking barricades but I’d rather have whirling maelstrom if i could choose what we got from strand

[@TheManOfTheHourEveryHour]

If you can't go invis on command with Prismatic Hunter that's a skill issue 😂

[@MarluxiaKH0014]

@ don’t be purposefully obtuse, in gms sometimes you run out of debuffs or there isn’t a red bar to immediately kill, being on void Hunter is just better

[@TheManOfTheHourEveryHour]

@@MarluxiaKH0014 get good

[@MarluxiaKH0014]

@ make an actual argument bitch

[@gourkernow5694]

Let's have some new fragments on the light/dark subclasses that aren't available on prism?

[@widsof7862]

You could make rhe roaming super do less damage but keep some protection and make that or one of them as an intermediate super like transcendence, maybe for eg if it’s arc based it’s a meter based on jolt for eg, and do less dmg but stay specific to the element and the burst super the main super with the beef to it.

[@MajicMarco]

As a warlock player and someone who likes using different play styles and not just spamming consecration and combination blow, I think prismatic is useless. I don't use it other than damage phases while playing titan

[@ThrushiD]

I think MANY of the subclasses need fragment slots upgrades. Like stylish executioner is WAY better on prismatic than base void hunter.

[@ippapp2]

I think the light and darkness subclasses should get a transcendence bar and that would be a good balance 😊. And allow exotic class items to other class s

[@icytor1150]

I think its time for light and dark 4.0. some of the solo element classes still get use in pvp. I will admit they are very rare to see in pve, but theyre still big in pvp. So many people are in prismatic for end game content. The justification could be that thanks to prismatic we have a deeper understanding of the solo element classes. So buffing the fragments, maybe the aspects with a 4.0 rework could make sense lorewise even. The light transcendence idea feels like it could include the worm hunger buff into it even. The ability regen part. Maybe it could give you additional res to the element of the light you are using and take slightly more damage from other light elements as a trade off. Just some ideas.

[@Pumperknuckle]

Transcendance def should be nerfed on further thought. Esp on Titan it really is way stronger than a super. I think a fair nerf is to either remove or really tone down the ability to extend the timer of transcendence. And also nerf some energy gain outliers like Area Denail GL's and Glacier made. This would keep the power of up but make it so the uptime isn't 100% like it currently is (if you play meta). And then adding single subclass transcendence for doing matching damage is a cool idea. I enjoy ability based builds but I do think any build with more than 50% of it's potency coming from abilities in GM level content should be looked at IMO. Prism Warlock is a good metric I think. You can spam abilities, but none of them are so strong that you can ignore your weapons like on hunter and especially titan

[@capnnslapaho-5644]

This is the best time to play if you’re a build crafter SOOOOO many good builds now that were absolutely garbage a month ago I absolutely love it. Don’t think they’ll nerf warlock or hunter prismatic unless it’s blanket nerf and they make it where it takes more kills or whatever to fill up the bars. But they’ll definitely nerf titan prismatic it’s insane. Im over here running around with 2 aerial denials and that’s it. Just getting prismatic popping it after that I’m popping super and 10 secs after super I got prismatic again just rinse and repeat it’s absolutely busted imo.

[@andreymavian3400]

Prismatic makes sense as a culmination subclass if Destiny 3 was around the corner. Let D2 just run rampant with Prismatic for a year, and, once D3 rolls out, they would get rid of Light/Dark subclasses with Prismatic being the only subclasss with deep customization allowing to spec more into certain elements and abilities (while still allowing to go full mono subclass). Unfortunately, since D3 is not gonna happen for a while, they really need to come up with something to balance Prismatic and other subclasses on the same lvl, either by bringing Prism down or buff the others to the lvl of Prismatic. The meta we have now is not going to cut it, some subclasses are not worth using anymore over Prismatic.

[@teo2216]

I want more new aspect and fragments on prismatic not necessarily to become even more op just different stuff also yeah I want more aspects that currently exist like ember of empyrean The last thing I want is to nerf transcendence Also they can release new aspect on the normal classes and then put one of the older ones on prismatic Also I want completely new super available only in prismatic that use both light and dark at the same time For example “frozen thunderbolt” Titan jumps on the air creates a thinder freezes it with stasis then throws it at the enemy Or for Hunter “threaded tether” Hunter makes a bow out of void and the arrow is made from the strand knife-blade

[@tylerlloydboone]

Light and Dark subclasses are not underpowered. Prismatic is overpowered. I can understand people want a strong ability subclass/build to play with. Some of the light subclasses need better weapon synergy or enhancement. Let prismatic be about abilities.

[@simonhall1328]

I hope you checked with the Destiny gurus, Datto, cross and Paul Tassi, before putting this out😂🤪

[@Chablo91]

I went to paul he said f that man. So skill up okayed the video instead. He said yep upload it to tell the truth

[@simonhall1328]

@Chablo91 behind Dattos back, naughty 🤣

[@TheSwayzeTrain]

Lol Skill Up stopped playing the game when they sacked half the studio. I think he was actually just jealous of Pete's beautiful car collection.

[@krysbaker8672]

Maybe they could add some kind of transcendence but for light and dark

[@supar6142]

Well for Dungeon Solo Flawless i go with Solar Titan or Warlock.

[@Chablo91]

I think thats because you are shooting a panel while having restoration spam. Both warlods and vespers benefits from solar restoration. But not void and certainly not arc

[@supar6142]

@Chablo91 definetly not arc. Arc Stasis and strand have their issues with surviving

[@Luketheduke12]

I think if they added everything on prismatic it would be to op and they would nerf some of the abilities so they wouldn’t be as good as they are on normal subclasses

[@Crazyfingerssss]

Anyone else need a video on a liminality solo strat with the new ossilation mod as it didnt go away...its my last one any thoughts chablo

[@Chablo91]

i replied to you on that mate. Best of luck with it :)

[@chrisnichols2896]

Ever since prismatic was released i havent touched a regular subclass. Combined with an exotic class item, there's no reason why anyone shouldnt be taking advantage of this until they buff light and dark base subclasses.

[@SolidusSnakeus]

Hunter still has light/dark builds that are better than prismatic. My Void Hunter build with fourth Horseman wrecked the GM last week. And the Mask of Fealty is better on pure Stasis. Also, The young ahamkara gauntlets on solar are good again

[@kingcurmudgeon8685]

Isn’t everything that costs the big $$$ to own always overpowered? Stasis was when it dropped. Strand was when it dropped. Bungie does this on purpose. I’ll using stasis to icefall mantle on Titan this season. I am also maining speakers sight solar on Warlock. I do use prismatic liars handshake on hunter.

[@captainwin6333]

I did GM Excision three times this week, once on each class. The Hunter and Titan were on Prismatic builds and the Warlock was a Well Warlock with a Solar build and to be honest all three were excellent. I didn't die any more on one character than another. It was probably the most OP on Prismatic Titan as I could charge into the areas where Champions were spawning with half a dozen mobs, fire up transcendence and not die. I'd get transcendence back about 5 seconds after it ran out and I'd be suspending stuff and using consecration slam to melt them. The exotic class item with Inmost light and Synthoceps on Titan really elevates Prismatic. On Warlock I was using Speaker's Sight, more of a support build, and I was getting healing grenades and healing rift back almost constantly. I'd have a couple of healing turrets up at one time and my well would come back before the first one had ended = permanent Hellion. What Bungie could do is buff all the light class supers that are not available on Prismatic. So take away the nerfs to Well, for example. That would make light classes worth choosing again.

[@ianmills6260]

God no do not unnerf well. Its still the second best super in the game by quite a bit.

[@jeremybrodecki1663]

Hunters get 3 or 4 fragments. If they’re going to have 3.0 builds there needs to be a reason to select these few fragments and not be pigeon holed like having a hunter or warlock who has to spec into 100 res. We went backwards instead of forwards with build crafting.

[@Chablo91]

These builds are 3.0 they were introduced in witch queen not that old. So they need 4.0, i really think just a red subclass would have been better than prismatic for the health of the game.

[@dvb8637]

The data shows that titans rarely use prismatic so your percentage is fishy. I think its the percentage of the already small group that using prismatic. Which isnt many, other than only warlocks and hunters as they have far more variety in their kit and are completely broken. Titans have nothing except for the concencration. Thats it. So tbf... prismatic titan is pretty balanced compared to the light classes. I see far more titans using light subclasses than prismatic and even the data shows that. I say nerf prismatic from the other two classes or give titans more options in their kit.

[@Chablo91]

@@dvb8637 i dont have any data on that. I'm going by YT and twitch only since thats what i watch. This video is about a community poll i made. Prismatic titan is a high skill class not everyone wants to do that. They just want a good time. But running the meta is the meta. Without question the prismatic titan is the best build in the game.

[@ZRLaReZ]

@dvb8637 delusional

[@WHlSKYtx]

Transcendence needs to get hit hard imo

[@robertmyers8352]

I liked Destiny 2 more when we didn’t have Prismatic

[@Chablo91]

Hmmm exactly something to think about

[@jayeshmaneklal8639]

For me personally, I think the biggest issue with the game at the moment is that you simply cannot stack the same damage reduction and DPS on the other subclasses, as compared to the prismatic subclasses. Trying to solo end-game content without prismatic is extremely difficult. I still enjoy playing the other subclasses, but you die way too quickly when playing end-game activities.

[@capnnslapaho-5644]

Not true depends what you’re running. Theirs a ton of amazing builds that aren’t prismatic you can easily run in any content like I just solod the new dungeon on void titan with a doom fang pauldron build and just swapped to synthoceps on DPS that super rn is hitting like a truck man it’s nutty.

[@BrainWasherAttendent]

There’s no crisis.

[@Chablo91]

Ya in your bra

[@anonymousanonymous-nt8ls]

​@@Chablo91I don't understand

[@ianmills6260]

I think the biggest issue is how easy it is to get transcendence if you optimize it. You shouldnt be able to transcend literally every 3-15 seconds period

[@Chablo91]

exactly that man

[@ianmills6260]

​@Chablo91 The biggest outliers are area denial gls for building energy, and rocket sidearms aswell. Nerf those and 50% of the problem is solved

[@Chablo91]

@@ianmills6260 exotic primaries build it up very quickly aswell. So they would be involved with that said nerf. 50 percent would move the needle slightly.

[@ianmills6260]

@@Chablo91 forgot about them. Outbreak and Khvostov are nutty

[@miketheartist3168]

They need to remove the multiple options off ability's on prismatic, Solar titan gets 1 slam not 3 then pop prismatic and gets another 4-6 then fills the melee bar when it ends. Should need to have a solar melee to equip it.

[@dannykrakt736]

I think they should just nerf trance ability regen and make it not stack with inmost light.