We Figured Out MIGHTY HEALING & Its INSANE! Rise of Kingdoms

[@OmniarchOfficial]

EDIT: After more consideration, there's almost guaranteed to be a cap on mighty healing because BABA for example has 105M+ units, which would scale insane with this garrison. Thanks to Speckoh for figuring out the Mighty Healing formula! Do YOU think it'll be broken? 🤔 Don't forget to LIKE and SUBSCRIBE for more Rise of Kingdoms content! :) 🚨 SUPPORT SPECKOH - www.patreon.com/speckoh/

[@pound4pound380]

Can Ramses elimate the heal all together? If so all you have to do is add him and Saladin to your swarm package and that Garrison is destroyed correct?

[@pound4pound380]

I wonder if you elimate the heal with Ramses does that elimate the damage too? If so this commander will be totally fucked and a waste of money

[@sir_carti_pozdro]

We all know that there is cap hoe many units can def city

[@janihaavisto79]

I hate this already. Because some of upcoming Mighty healing /shielding commanders will be must have commanders.

[@r.alexander9075]

Why wasnt this tested with a rally? For higher troop counts...

[@Lukeyyypookie]

Omniarch you are a w for taking the time to look into this! I appreciate it.

[@woutgaming9685]

Imagine baba using this as city garruson and it doesnt have a cap 💀 i think that will be like instant death to rally

[@OmniarchOfficial]

LMFAOOOOO omg I didn't think about that, that's gonna be broken

[@TheMightymo05]

Then don't rally his city. Simple.

[@lukas4228]

@@TheMightymo05 yea just swarm

[@viettoanle9831]

Such a great work, appreciate the video much Omniarch!

[@OmniarchOfficial]

Glad you enjoyed it!

[@zkx2417]

Bro i am always waiting for your uploads it’s something I look forward to everyday. No rok KZbinr does it like u.

[@OmniarchOfficial]

I really appreciate that, thank you!!

[@Mujisu5102]

True... the best guides and explanations for Rok ever

[@sky3fall866]

Can someone explain how Richard’s heal to death works? Wouldn’t healing be good since it brings slightly wounded troops back into the fight so you don’t need to reinforce as much?

[@xDread]

Healing is the exact same as reinforcing for garrison. You can cast a heal on the garrison any time you want by reinforcing, but Richard's heal replaces an active skill in the garrison. So rather than having an active skill to help you trade better, he just reloads more troops into the garrison for the enemy rally to hit. Imagine the enemy rallies with YSG vs your Richard garrison. Enemy YSG deals 10k deads to your garrison. Your Richard heals the garrison to almost full. Enemy team reinforces their YSG rally to full. Your team reinforces the Richard garrison to full. Your team has taken 10k more deads than the enemy team after 1 skill cycle. Repeat x100 skill cycles, and your team has taken 1M more deads than the enemy team. Once the enemy runs out of troops on the field to reinforce the rally, they can cancel the rally, reload and start again. Only difference is your team now has 1M fewer troops left to defend against all the rallies in the future. If you instead used YSG in the garrison, you would trade at least 1:1 with the rally, and the enemy team would have also taken 1M more deads.

[@sky3fall866]

@@xDread I see! So basically since healing is the same as reinforcing, having a skill that only heals is the same as not having a skill. You'd rather just reinforce manually and have another skill instead. Thanks for the explanation!

[@callmebeanos1321]

Now that you invested all those stars into GM you may as well level his skills and get Cordoba to 5511 for an extra march. My mate got 21m kp with one GM Cordoba march this KvK

[@OmniarchOfficial]

Yeah might have to! Will wait until I see the next ranged march release!

[@Mr.sebas08]

@@callmebeanos1321 21m kp is not that much 😅

[@HermesMartinez-o9n]

@@callmebeanos1321 yo obtuve a gajah Mada 5511 + Gonzalo 5555 y empecé en 96M KP cuando abrió el primer altar de la oscuridad, ya terminó Kingsland y ahora mismo tengo +220M KP, soy un jugador casual F2P, uso tropas T4 y mi tecnología base es 6/10 y tecnología de cristal 1/10, la mayoría de mis kills son tropas T5 enemigas

[@callmebeanos1321]

@@HermesMartinez-o9n He’s insane! My buddy and I did some testing and GM Cordoba with T1 siege can trade positive against T5

[@callmebeanos1321]

@@Mr.sebas08bro he traded 146K to 1.126m sev wounds with 21m KP in a single march without returning to his city. I’ve never seen anyone do that without using siege. What march are you using to get those trades?

[@jimibones178]

I feel like this new garrison will be the go to garrison for any kd punching up at a kvk. Liliths attempt to balance power between new and old players. I mean, they did it in Ceroli so it shows it's on their mind

[@greenknight4847]

Thanks for the video, it’s helpful and thanks for effort, to both of you. And yea, your thoughts on new graphic less green than previously?

[@_Didas_]

What's your advice about formations ? We can pick 3 between all of them and it's hard to know what 'will be' used : wedge, circle, arch, etc ?

[@OmniarchOfficial]

Arch for infantry, Wedge for everything else in the field. Only rally and garrisons will probably have to think about the others

[@WildlifeFAQ]

@@OmniarchOfficial Might not be a bad idea to work on Circle if the other Archer commander is also mighty heal/true damage, we can always slap a Zhuge behind anything and hope for the best.

[@terrybridges6561]

Playing ceroli with you the other day was the highlight of ny afternoon..

[@OmniarchOfficial]

LETS GOOOO thank you! Glad we crossed paths then!

[@terrybridges6561]

@@OmniarchOfficial it was shocking actually to play the game with u.. I watch your videos so it wad almost like a celebrity moment haha

[@terrybridges6561]

My in game name is omega red..

[@zeldazelda197]

There will definitely be a top cap, there has to be. If there is not then Gajah would be among the best garrisons in the game, which in theory could be tested with using him as a city garrison for a test or in a AOO practice match. Great work.

[@OmniarchOfficial]

Unfortunately Gajah only heals with ranged attacks so he doesn't heal in garrisons otherwise I would have tested 🥲 but thanks! Yeah see the pinned comment, there has to be a cap!

[@zeldazelda197]

@@OmniarchOfficial You could in theory test by having him do a rally in AOO and have a bunch of range attacks (even with non-range commanders using V formation) hitting him, but I would never suggest that is practical for the theory crafting done in this video. It is a good topic to test with the actual garrison once that commander is released, but again - obviously there has to be a cap =).

[@BA-Gaming]

Put Gaja in an expedition garrison test... you will see the heal numbers for the amount of troops... maybe able to work out any cap from that...

[@Nicko0]

I think the healing factor will be pretty low, because you both heal and deal damage at the same time when some commanders for example only do healing.

[@OmniarchOfficial]

Yeah Im thinking that as well

[@mandyfieldings6863]

Thanks for the good content❤ my number 1 ytber

[@degreatautismo]

Bro, We CAN test the Max Cap on the healing. Use AOO Test match.

[@mattmattah7740]

The issue of richard garrison is not the healing, its the lack of damage. All garrisons do heal through reinforcement. That new commander should be seen as a dps that scales off something new: healing bonuses. And on the side note, he/she requires less reinforcement. Do you think you could test if mighty healing is immune (or resistant to some degree) to healing cut ?

[@realjohnlove]

Mighty Healing would be good for a gathering march.

[@evil_apple_of_doom6409]

The assumtion with Richard is wrong. He is not bad bcs of his healing, he is bad bcs his dmg output is to low. Richard is not able to kill the enemy troops, just healing back the slightlys wounded troops. So you generate a automatic refilling Pinata.

[@moaazahmad5058]

Yeah you are absolutely right

[@ramos_pinho117]

Zeno was meta guarrison for a big time. Healing is not bad. But only healing is trash. Heal and deal damage than is strong guarrison

[@r.alexander9075]

This is probably the only game where the developers don't explain much needed mechanics, especially considering how much of gameplay is dependant on correctly understanding it. It's insane they try to hide this, and make people have to fogure it out on their own. I know lots of people who have differing opinions on tons of stuff in the game, just because there is no unifying explanation given by the devs. F that!

[@Rorsch34]

Another AOO Commander, just like Beli... but this time for Garrison.

[@raoulblackburn5237]

Excluding the healing and defence artifacts also

[@levan4226]

The important thing is that it heals lightly wounded soldiers to add more heavily wounded soldiers to the hospital like RC so healing is not appreciated

[@KNNY61]

Well then. I see two strayegies. 1. Put that new commander with the highest garrison-compatible dps commander available or 2. Put that new commander with the tankiest garrison-commander possible. Already I think swarming WOULD take a hit, because individual marches might melt rather quickly. There is one issue: garrisoning in the city of a whale. Will that mechanism be limited by the same limiter for normal heroes? Skill damage appears to not be limited by the troops that actually fight. Will this damage be thus limited? It will need testing, or there may be no more zeroing of certain cities. 🤔

[@Chucklgeist]

Question here: When you're in a garrison situation like holding a pass, doesn't the number of slightly wounded increase all the time, while also fresh marches try holding the garrison to its maximum? So if the dmg is based on the healing potential, even if it doent heal that much bc the garrison is full, shouldnt the dmg of the skill get higher and higher the longer the fight goes on?

[@Infsimp1226]

Taking deads and sevs winning kvk > not taking deads and sevs and losing

[@OmniarchOfficial]

Facts

[@richiearagonjr2981]

What's going on Omni, cheers 🍻

[@OmniarchOfficial]

Cheers!

[@Kieselsteo]

20 sec ago is crazy. Gonna watch it later though. Wish me luck on my Barber visit :D

[@OmniarchOfficial]

Hahaha thank you! I'm sure the cut will come out clean 😎

[@JoaquinIFS]

I’m fairly new to the game so I don’t undress something, how to special troop focused garrison commanders work? Don’t you defend a rally with all types of troops inside your city?

[@korisnickoime571]

Hopefully they buff zeno over this

[@DaddyDavid294]

i hear chisgule will max the new archer garrison for the troops changer

[@korisnickoime571]

@@DaddyDavid294 what would you say is the best city garrison for cavs ?

[@DaddyDavid294]

@@korisnickoime571 when i watch Ploto intreview wardaddychad acc, chad said said, cav need defense

[@Mujisu5102]

Interesting....guess my Scipio Aenilianus gonna have a hard time lol

[@alioltify]

just make AOO practice match with Gaja as garrison, and you will see if it has healing cap.

[@DonkeyKong7493]

W video and i havnt even watched it yet

[@OmniarchOfficial]

That's facts, thank you!

[@L4zyC47]

Instead of equal to the actual unit you can heal, it will based on the enemies' health number for true damage. Just replace your troop health in healing formula with enemies' health and put it as damage to enemies, then you should get true damage. It is stupid to think that since your health is lower cuz using t1, you deal more damage to enemies T5. We are all assuming that damage = how many troop enemy is losing, but infact, damage is not. How many troop enemy is losing = damage/enemy's health. So damage is only the top portion. So no, T1 wont do more true damage than T5. By what you come up with formula, we can heal like 500k on full t1, so you can actually burst any swarming army with just that AoE...which does not make any sense if "true damage = number of unit you heal". Her skill of decreasing enemies Health would support the calculation based on enemies' health instead.

[@OmniarchOfficial]

The skill specifically says that the amount of True Damage you deal will be a percentage of how much you heal. I think your analysis is great, but I also think Lilith needs to reword their skill 🤣🤣

[@L4zyC47]

It says "capable of healing", so it varies between different types of unit. T1 could be 5x more than T5 in number of unit, but the exact limit on capacity of your "heal strength" are number of unit, and the healing factor. The health of the unit it is applied to is different story. It is like I can shoot an arrow that fly 100m/s, with a weight of 1kg. I can calculate the kinetic energy from it. That will be my damage. However, if I hit a wooden surface, a steel surface, a rabbit, a person, the damage show will be entirely different. The damage/heal strength in this game is like the total kinetic energy I put in the arrow. And the actual outcome on troops is like a surfaces i choose to shoot.

[@12bigredd]

so what your saying is we need 45% more archers then :):)

[@OmniarchOfficial]

Yeah I'm really hyped to see how well this performs lol

[@kukkaisjumala]

I HATE Maintenances. yes yes they are must have but still it always hits very bad time :P won my first soc and every kvk i have 353 consecutive days an thats the day i installed it 352 days ago. academy shows 9/10 on most stuff i just need books for castle 😢 but we won soc aand cease fire is on for rest 15 days so just farm stuff and getting ready. woopwoop

[@RoyalRaji-s3c]

Hear me out… Saladin Nevsky rally against this garrison

[@Fowlaarr]

Can you do an interview with speckoh. Dunno if you’ve done it but he seems a math god. Curious if he’s math phd or something and just does this on the side and why he got into that side of rok. Does he play as well?

[@otalgebra4436]

Bro this is like 5th grade math lmao

[@OmniarchOfficial]

I certainly can! And he does play!

[@OmniarchOfficial]

Deriving formulas from raw data is definitely not 5th grade math lmao

[@Fowlaarr]

@@otalgebra4436haha the original battle formula seemed pretty tech. If it’s right

[@Fowlaarr]

@@OmniarchOfficialyeah reverse calculating it seems high level for me. Out of my league

[@cmlcml415]

*Happy Archer Simp Noises* (from me as well 😂)

[@OmniarchOfficial]

Hahahaha true!

[@WWGReforged]

I would have given a thumbs up even without the stars investment 😂

[@OmniarchOfficial]

Hahaha the goat!

[@danbernardes1726]

Discipline priests from wow now in rok

[@anonyverse9349]

After all this work, watch them tweak Mighty Healing for both Gaja and the new commander entirely 😂😂

[@tardis24K]

Mighty healing aside, it's the true damage that is worth considering. This is what most of healing commanders missing to be good.

[@IzabelMorrisBella]

Will it have the same effect/ disadvantage as Richard 1?

[@shphu]

Zenobia does about 1400 healing factor and 1800 damage. The new archer commander must be better than her for players to be interested.

[@lxvking]

Greetings from 2335 great vid omni

[@OmniarchOfficial]

Greetings! THank you!

[@lxvking]

@@OmniarchOfficialno problem! Hope all is going well

[@WildlifeFAQ]

This is scaling out of control, either the healing factor is going to be low like really low but the damage is 2x of that or the healing factor is high but the damage is 25% of that.

[@OmniarchOfficial]

I anticipate a cap on the ratio between regular healing and mighty healing, or something similar.

[@CaptainLegionary]

Can we get some Fs in the chat for those tomes and stars that Omniarch had to sacrifice by putting into Gajah? F

[@rezopolis]

I'm upset with Lilith's support 😡 I'm upset with Lilith's support 😡 I'm upset with Lilith's support 😡 edit: btw Omni the GOAT helped me to figure out which 3rd auxiliary skill for my Gaja Mada will be, in Orlean... +15% unit capacity 😎

[@kritischemasse3131]

comeback of richard with archer artifact? 😅

[@moaazahmad5058]

No I don't think so .. his damage is too low

[@ahmadeis2059]

Dose that make Ragnar meta rally?

[@OmniarchOfficial]

LOL imagine?

[@ahmadeis2059]

Why not his relic reduce smite damage and now second skill is available 55 states pretty mid 10% bigger rally. Yes doesn't have skill damage But increase all damage.

[@endofexistence2149]

like for the sacrifice

[@sir_carti_pozdro]

Why u think heal make u take more sev like he will deal dmg and heal so he keep garni high troops and crack swarmers

[@perathion]

this whole thing is stupid, imagine you cant fill up fort or flags just because you need it to have space to heal, you literally need to stay at 80% of max capacity which will have negative effect, also imagine not having a single good pair for it among archers, they could easily bring a cutie to pair with artemisia with a disram skill and silence imunity,every one would have been happy :D

[@lestatdelincourt426]

👏👏👏👏👏

[@ryannelson2565]

You forgot to read the first blip on the first skill after doing the calculation it’s says that it is doing damage based on the amount it can heal not the amount is has healed so I’m not sure if that 98,000 would be the damage in the case

[@OmniarchOfficial]

It's stating that it will essentially always be the max heal equivalent

[@moaazahmad5058]

​@OmniarchOfficial there are many factors for this .. like for example .. if you are fighting t1 .. is the number gonna be 98000 ? .. so there must be another factors

[@Crazyplaysss]

Huo tambien cura

[@sharbandarrimau8448]

😂 Wow ❤❤❤

[@DaddyDavid294]

EW archer, I hate archer lmao

[@Buzzwole3478]

Finally a new archer garrison

[@OmniarchOfficial]

Coming soon!!

[@akademi1215]

Somewhat much talk and little showable.

[@AzzamAbuJbara]

If they give combo damage for cav next time aint that making skill damage useless in future form city skin to wedge formation!!! What they trying to do by making something 90% of players invested in useless 🫢

[@realjohnlove]

They need to make Combo Mixed Troop exclusive. I don’t see why single troop types would do Combo attacks. I would think Combining different troop types = combo attack. But Liu already has combo damage so its not gonna be Cav specific. The next Archer wheel commander might have combo damage

[@Helen_Harrison7875]

Interesting 🥰🥰

[@OmniarchOfficial]

Very!