We Found Problems: AMD Ryzen 5 8600G & R7 8700G APU Benchmarks & Review

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This review of the AMD Ryzen 7 8700G and Ryzen 5 8600G benchmarks performance vs. a cheap CPU and GPU at the same price points (roughly) and looks at viability of the R5 8600G & R7 8700G APUs as SFF/HTPC options or just a cheap gaming component. The new 8000-series AMD Ryzen APUs get tested here for gaming performance and framerate, power consumption, CPU-only performance, efficiency, and frequency. Although we already know they're not strictly "worth it" as cheap gaming parts if the only goal is the cheapest possible combination of a CPU and GPU, they still have valid use cases. If AMD ever adds VRAM to APUs in a big way, it's possible they compete with cheap graphics cards in the future. But we'll see. Testing is different from our normal CPU reviews: We have a combination of memory scaling tests with DDR5-6400 vs. DDR5-6000 and DDR5-5600, but also a mix of GPUs or IGPs. As a result, a lot of the data is not comparable to other prior reviews, especially with the GPU swapping. We're also spending a lot of time on STAPM power throttling behavior.
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TIMESTAMPS
00:00 - AMD Ryzen 5 8600G & R7 8700G Review
02:43 - AMD's Statement & But WHY?
06:00 - AMD 8600G & 8700G Specs & Prices
08:38 - ASRock's Broken-Ass BIOS
10:42 - Frequency Drops & All-Core
11:57 - Single-Core Frequency Boosting
12:36 - Power Consumption (All-Core, Default)
13:37 - Power Efficiency (Default)
14:00 - Test Methodology Notes & STAPM
16:55 - CPU-Only Benchmarks First (If Upgrading to a dGPU)
17:20 - Blender 3D Rendering Benchmarks
18:24 - File Compression Benchmarks
19:08 - File Decompression Benchmarks
19:41 - Game Benchmarking
20:23 - Baldur's Gate 3 - 1080p, Low Commentary, & 1440p
23:32 - Rainbow Six Siege Benchmarks - 1080p & 1440p
25:25 - Starfield Benchmarks
26:08 - F1 2023 Benchmarks
28:13 - FFXIV 8700G & 8600G Benchmarks
29:46 - Conclusion
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[@GamersNexus]

So, if there's only one thing to take away, it's that the STAPM behavior is on AMD's side and is being changed (improved) soon. And if there are two things to take away, it's that ASRock is working on BIOS updates to fix the bugs we found and reported. Next up, the 4080 Super -- what are the bets on its performance? Find our AMD RX 7600 XT GPU review here, posted a few days ago: kzbin.info/www/bejne/Z5LSoaNujdSfjqc We're almost sold out of our Limited Disappointment Tour PC T-shirts! Grab one while they're still around: store.gamersnexus.net/products/disappointment-pc-2023-heather Find our high-quality, durable soldering mat on the store: store.gamersnexus.net/products/gn-project-soldering-mat Or grab one of our new mouse mats here! store.gamersnexus.net/products/15-yr-mouse-mat

[@hkiller8885]

I think the 8700G will only become interesting at the tail end of 2024, where it will probably drop price to around $250 or below and at that point RX 6500XT is probably out of the picture and RX 7500XT doesn't exist yet (hopefully it won't ever exist!) About 4080Super, I think it will not have any noticeable performance improvement but it will be $1000 msrp but you won't find it for msrp. And AMD will do a boring 50-100 price drop to 7900XTX dropping it officially to 800-850...

[@FieryPouncer]

I think the other big takeaway is that you continue to do amazing things for the entire community. How long would it have taken for this to be figured out without this work? How many people would have gotten parts with this behavior? And of those, how many would have actually done a BIOS update later?

[@vladimirljubopytnov5193]

I was equally frustrated with asrock... I had to return the b650e pg itx because of non working memory context restore, long boots and inability to update bios more than once..

[@IndenturedYoutubeSlave]

you didnt mention what wendal found', that the infinity fabric is not set to correct speed by default as this generation is clocked higher

[@ADR69]

broken ass BIOS 😂👍

[@AshtonCoolman]

No other reviewers caught the STAPM issue or Asrock bugs. This is how we know that Gamers Nexus is conducting THOROUGH, accurate testing.

[@GamersNexus]

As much as it'd be nice to take that credit, honestly, I think the main reason it might not get coverage by some reviewers this time is because we were all getting killed by GPU launches. The turn-around on this was insane, and that's because of the GPUs. I don't blame anyone for keeping a review in this cycle focused on "normal" tests. It was a brutal launch cycle and for sure every reviewer covering both CPUs + GPUs is tired right now. The craziness comes in sprints in the hardware industry!

[@Happysavage]

​@@GamersNexus Thank you for everything you do. You and the rest of the team at Gamers Nexus are the best.

[@abhijietmoon]

​@@GamersNexusThank you for your honesty ☺️🙏

[@BudgetGamerz]

Because as Steve says, it does not really affect performance. So all reviews are still valid

[@Phaevryn]

@@GamersNexus But you are experiencing that same brutal launch cycle and you are able, and willing, to go deep enough to figure this out.

[@lyledal]

"You probably don't have your tower in your lap..." Speak for yourself, Steve. YOU DON'T KNOW ME!

[@GamersNexus]

It must be wild going through the temperature swings and fan ramp!

[@fajaradi1223]

Why? Are you some kind of reptilians? Do you need your Desktop as an external heat source to maintain your body temps?

[@1Grainer1]

@@GamersNexus everyone needs some adrenaline in their lives, he may even have panels off to live on edge with those fans, it even could be case of "instructions were unclear"!

[@frizzlefry1921]

I'm hoping it's not one of those 4ft tall full towers from the early 90s that weighs 40lbs empty. If it is WHY MAN?

[@tsukishiro70]

I hope it isn't like my Cooler Master Cosmos II Ultra - that thing's a beast!@@frizzlefry1921

[@ilovelimpfries]

I was wondering why GN review of the APU was not on the embargo lift day. Good job guys.

[@GamersNexus]

Thanks! Yeah, that review came in hot with the GPU reviews preceding it and we really wanted to figure out why you'd throttle a part for skin temperature when it's not in a mobile device anymore. Glad AMD is changing that behavior!

[@mattrogers6646]

​@@GamersNexusThis is why I gladly support . The quality of your testing & reviews, independent journalism, and consumer advocacy benefits us all. Hail Snowflake

[@ImmaSpam__________________Can]

Im always willing to watch the best reviews even if not on embargo day. By best i mean in how much info there is

[@Splarkszter]

GN the most legit, dedicated and atention to detail. Thanks steve!

[@DaKrawnik]

​@@GamersNexusI'm also glad AMD is trying to be more competent,

[@chubbysumo2230]

The only reason no other reviewer has caught this, is because no other reviewer does frequency validation. Thank you Steve and team, for holding Parts makers accountable to what they offer and sell.

[@scorpioassmodeusgtx1811]

Meanwhile, LTT labs made an in-depth video on how they saved company time and money by identifying 3 AMD CPUs with similar performance so that they can use them in simultaneous benchmarking. You can see where the difference in priorities lie.

[@dycedargselderbrother5353]

@@scorpioassmodeusgtx1811 LTT Labs has been a disappointment for me. When buying all that stuff, I thought that expertise was part of the equation, but it looks like they literally bought millions of dollars worth of stuff and handed it to interns with no real insight into what the goals of these kinds of projects should be.

[@JosePineda-jn8jk]

@@scorpioassmodeusgtx1811but they are “slowing down” on how many videos they make per week so that is good right? 😂

[@Zangetsu_X2]

LTT comparing a dozen of the exact same model of CPUs and only finding 3 that are comparable was actually quite interesting and revealing.

[@Zangetsu_X2]

LTT comparing a dozen of the exact same model of CPUs and only finding 3 that are comparable was actually quite interesting and revealing.

[@timtimethymetie]

GN dropping reviews AND replying to comments at like 2 AM their time is crazy. Y'all are absolute machines.

[@GamersNexus]

Love this stuff! Thank you!

[@rheacevert]

@RishabhSingh-ix8zchi, GN is not based in India, therefore Indian time is irrelevant here

[@ravingcrab8405]

Or 5-6 A.M. if they're on the eastern part of the US.

[@Redslayer86]

​@@ravingcrab8405Well, their last shirt shipped from Raleigh, NC lol.

[@IIII_MAD_IIII]

@@rheacevert i guess, KZbinrs upload videos, especially when a large number of people are watching, (not sure about GN)

[@OpalMonkey.]

13:28 Go home, Steve, you're tired! 😂 Seriously though, don't work yourself to death. We need to keep an industry treasure like you around as long as possible.

[@walkir2662]

Someone needs to STAPM, indeed.

[@CrusinVK]

Absolutely agree. The last thing to world needs is Genres Nexus going total burnout and losing their minds.... Chill out and take a day off team.

[@alangarde2928]

GN, the new QA team for AMD. Great job in getting to the bottom of what you saw. Also Kudos to AMD for taking it seriously and responding rather than dismissing it til lots of people complained.

[@KatamuroTheFirst]

also asrock, also gigabyte. probably others

[@omnihein9322]

Tbf, gamers nexus is mega petty(and for us as consumers that's a good thing) and would make a video if they did ignore them and if it wasn't them, it would have taken a lot of people complaining for them to do so.

[@user-lm3fm4cq5i]

Man, I love GN. Detailed and super informative videos, but always with a sprinkle of hilarious additions. So fun to watch. Thanks Steve!

[@BecauseynotGaming]

Great find on the stapm behavior I read several reviews and watched a couple videos and no one but you mentioned it. Keep up the great work GN team!

[@SoulTouchMusic93]

"you're probably not holding the case and you're probably not holding the tower in your lap" lan parties can get wild!

[@jamegumb7298]

I went to a Lossman Crack party and he knocked his brother out cold, we held his mom in our lap, his the ready rock.hard out of an apple with a straw and lost all out cash on Stake and BC. Bossman needed some more cash and though he is super straight, 20 bucks is 20 bucks. Things got really wild after that.

[@flinzlogik]

This is why I always come back to your reviews... you have the most in-depth and thorough analysis of products. Catching the STAPM issue would have gone unnoticed by nearly every other reviewer, who don't/can't run as in-depth analysis as you do. Top tier review as usual.

[@ConsecDesign]

You're really out here making a difference, GN! thanks guys!

[@TracksideViews]

Please make a t-shirt that has “Before that…” on it!

[@GamersNexus]

Does the back say "after that?"

[@TubeNewrome]

@@GamersNexus No, the back should say "Asrock broken-ass BIOS"))))))

[@jjpprrrr]

@@GamersNexus the back says "Back (to you), Steve" xd

[@scudsturm1]

Dissapointment PC 2024 STAPM

[@Wrigglevision]

how about a freeze frame of the infamous PSU explosion as a print?

[@jwiz1911]

LTT: fails to remove the protective film from a mouse before testing. GN: Catches odd behavior in an AMD CPU that AMD’s engineers missed.

[@robertopazsoldan9641]

Facts!

[@thatfordboy4297]

Not all frequency oddities are caught. I was doing research into why I was getting odd behavior with a 5600x. Sometimes things are just screwy.

[@angelaizen2231]

Everyone makes mistakes "He who has never sinned, throw the first stone" - Jesus

[@Blade_of_Tomoe]

@@angelaizen2231 That one 4 year old boy who doesn't even know what a sin is but knows how to throw a stone:

[@angelaizen2231]

@@Blade_of_Tomoe ignorance is a sin

[@platt_mallar]

Thank you for this video. It has really informed me for my next build. Your hard work is very appreciated!

[@JollyGiant19]

You all do amazing work. Thank you GN team!

[@robertdascoli949]

15:40 "We don't review a companies hopes and dreams" That's why GN is the best. Thanks for keeping the bar high.

[@smoknbobjd]

Great catch, Steve and all at Gamers Nexus! I can't think of anyone else online who consistently has established the kind of credibility and competence you have. Thanks for what you do.

[@fishinthejar]

Absolutely stellar work, great to have you guys. Insane to think no one else so far pointed these STAPM issues out.

[@matdid5735]

Simply amazing level of attetion to details and great commitment to dointg an excellent job! thanks for your great reviews!

[@sharksizzle]

I've been using the 5700g and I managed to get a year and a half of good gaming in before I finally upgraded to a discrete graphics card. I'm quite happy with my purchase, it's cool to see AMD take the APU route, it made so much sense to me at the time when GPU prices were bad.

[@ffwast]

I would have loved this,but about five years ago.

[@donoturnback]

AMD should update 5700g with 780M. That will be a bomb

[@dmitrypoletaev7478]

Thank you for such a thorough review! Good job as always!

[@blackbirdpctech]

I really respect and appreciate the fact that you guys delayed the launch of this video to dig deeper and understand what is really going on ... there are unfortunately not a lot of KZbinrs in this space that would do that and you guys should be applauded for it.

[@sorinadrian6268]

GN has become the final boss for all these huge corporations :D Thank you so much!

[@havocking9224]

🗿🗿🗿🗿

[@cppctek]

It’s never a good sign when you have to thank the reviewer for finding an issue they should have found first. This has become a scary trend where we as consumers end up being the test subjects 😂😊 great review though!!! Amd - “thanks Steve”

[@Blade_of_Tomoe]

*Recalls memories of amd anti-lag+*

[@anonamouse5917]

At least they're owning up to it and fixing it promptly.

[@Dajova]

It's called in gaming world; "beta tester". It's normal there that we have to deal with bugs and issues that the developers either missed or ignored

[@salmonofknowledge3229]

Didn't Linus try to make his audience do that?

[@salmonofknowledge3229]

Didn't Linus try to make his audience do that?

[@Mom19]

Hey, today my shipment of a mug and a Disappointment T-shirt arrived! What better way to celebrate this other than with a GN Video? Perfect timing, thanks Steve (and GN-Team)

[@COLD1Dadi]

This is the review I was waiting for. Thanks again GamersNexus! 😃

[@TheZoenGaming]

Huh. I was expecting there to be a problem with the new chips, but I wasn't expecting STAPM power constraints. Great video, and I'm looking forward to your future career as a magician, Steve!

[@Kahless00]

Should def do a memory tuning episode. Would give you the practice and help a bunch of other people who wanna get into it

[@progenitor_amborella]

Especially with how sensitive Ryzen is to memory, I think it’ll have great information all around.

[@nico_53]

It’s funny for that stapm feature someone reused some code form the handheld that shouldn’t have been reused or at the very least heavely modified for the desktop variant. Good job gamer nexus team for catching it

[@Lurch-Bot]

That Ryzen product wheel was worth a chuckle. You know your marketing department screwed up when they have to make a product code wheel for customers to make sense of their offerings.

[@herseem]

Even though I'm really not a gamer (can't beat an exciting spreadsheet or computational fluid dynamics simulation), and avoided GN to start with to get tech updates, I've ended up gravitating here as my first choice of PC news

[@johnnymaynard299]

Thanks Steve for all you do. Another awesome video !

[@ottokrieg]

Props to you guys for doing what you do. This is so cool.

[@maxmustsleep]

kinda scary how often it comes down to tech reviewers and enthusiasts to find and fix issues in these expensive mass products

[@igelbofh]

STAPM limits are also an "issue" in the 5600g/5700g Asrock products like the X300. Good review but what I miss is direct comparison between 8600g and 5600g and 8700g and 5700g

[@tomallan5000]

Again GN getting the issues and answers for their viewers. Great content. Thank you GN.

[@DumDoDoor]

You actually convinced me to wait until the issues fixed and then some. I'm not planning to buy em right away but good to know, Been looking forward to buying this~

[@PedroBorgesNH]

I don't know if i didn't noticed it before, or its new, but the countdown bars on the sides for the time the graph will be displayed is a nice touch, i frequently have to rewing a bit to read the full info and this helps a lot. Thanks steve.

[@Psychx_]

There are tools for APUs (i.e. "Universal x86 Tuning Utility") that can poke some MSRs and temporarily change all sorts of power management related parameters outside of the BIOS. It can also adjust iGPU clockspeeds. May be worth taking a look at.

[@MrQuay03]

Linux support?

[@TheBackyardChemist]

@@MrQuay03 there are tools that can adjust some power limits under linux, but there are all sorts of weird things, like on my laptop (5500U) I can raise STAPM power, but the firmware resets it to stock every time it changes the fan speed

[@disafear3674]

Doing amazing work as always!!

[@TruckingShooter]

Thankyou for this review and delaying it to give a proper review.

[@MarcinTrybus]

GN once again proves to be the ultimate source of PC hardware reviews.

[@Dave-dh7rt]

But… Linus retests EVERY time 😂🙄

[@marxmaiale9981]

Starting the iGPU benchmarks Excellent. A multitude of people actually use the integrated graphics for everything, mostly due to the computer either being a laptop, a prebuilt cheap computer, or an used office computer. I would like to see these also paired with the No External Power needed discrete GPUs as these will easily work their way into machines where the company uses some proprietary motherboard/power supply combination that does not have any PCIe power available.

[@CheapBastard1988]

Are there even current gen dedicated GPUs without the need for external power on the market? The most recent I can think of is the RX6400, which is rubbish.

[@marxmaiale9981]

@CheapBastard1988 a310 which probably is only good for basic display purposes. A low power version of the a380, good for multiple displays, low and occasionally medium settings on most games. A new cut down rtx 3050... about as good as the a380 but with cuda and tensor cores for running nvidia specific programs.

[@PineyJustice]

@@CheapBastard1988 The rx 6400 was 12 rdna 2 cu, so this is going to be roughly the same performance as that, just built into the cpu.

[@SoggyMicrowaveNugget]

Excellent testing guys!

[@yingbxua6240]

GN Guys - I thank you very much for review! Can you pls make one more video focused on IGP Performance for both CPUs, once dust settles with AGESA/BIOS and CPUs operations behavior

[@Hanginthere4100]

Every AMD release new Ryzen CPU there's always one BIOS from motherboard vendor messed up.

[@andersjjensen]

Considering there's a sale on Gigglebyte Eagle RX 6600 for $160 on Amazon right now the 8700G only makes sense for media centers and VESA mounted Mini-ITX cases. But even at it's regular $200 price point, you can pair it with a Ryzen 5600 and still hit the same price. That said, building a VESA mounted Mini-ITX machine, and slapping in on the backside of my TV is EXACTLY what I'm going to do with one of these. My current media center is a full size ATX case with an abomination of random parts. It's noisy and it's bulky and it has way to many odd-ball SATA disks. Getting everything on to a 4TB NVMe in a small quiet package is going to be a bliss.

[@chanm01]

GN always going next level with the testing. Putting this together so quickly is crazy. Well done.

[@thecivilizedgamer2533]

Great job digging in deeper, rather than rushing your review out as soon as possible! I was wondering if you delayed because of some issue you ran into, and apparently you did

[@frailingsosa8]

Thanks!

[@GamersNexus]

Wow! Thank you!

[@broncojones3146]

I'm 95% sure I ran in the same problem with STAPM years ago when I set up a Mini PC for my mother running a 3400G. I couldn't disable the freakin surface touch temperature threshold for the life of me.

[@VeritasEtAequitas]

Sounds like a BIOS issue

[@AzukiLim]

What brand motherboard?

[@mirai_reo]

Amazing professional work, thank you all!

[@9r33ks]

Gamer Nexus never stap delivering great videos. :D

[@lubossoltes321]

Can you compare the 8700g to something like a 7840HS ? What I am getting at is: does it make sense to buy a miniPC (f.e. Beelink, Minisforum and the like) with an 8700g (basically wait for them) or just buy an existing 7840HS options ? It seems the main difference is the memory tuning options.

[@mattrogers6646]

Seconded.

[@bocahdongo7769]

And TDP

[@db_030]

Would love to see a collab with Buildzoid regarding the memory tuning performance. :)

[@BaH4o3eH]

especially after fixing tdp-stapm issue

[@christopherjames9843]

I don't think GN and Buildzoid work together anymore. Some kind of issue iirc.

[@db_030]

@@christopherjames9843 oh that's too bad

[@Simon_Denmark]

One could try the timings from "Easy memory timings for Hynix DDR5 with Ryzen 7000".

[@SpikeBlighty]

Good work, Steve and crew.

[@Ralipsi]

Great analysis and conclusion!

[@InvidiousIgnoramus]

Even with the power limits fixed, I'm still disappointed by the PCIE lane count situation.

[@jangelelcangry]

The G APUs Max PCIE lanes count?

[@mattrogers6646]

​@@jangelelcangry20 total PCIe 4.0, 16 usable. So 8x for PCIe 4.0 slot(s), and 2 by 4x M.2 Gen4.

[@ydfhlx5923]

For 8500G/8300G it's 10 usable (14 total, PCIe 4.0). That's 4 for the GPU (and 4+2 to 2 drives).

[@betag24cn]

it is a apu, something had to be adjusted, if ypu dont like it, then a normal ryzen should be for you, dont forget to buy a gpu

[@bocahdongo7769]

@@betag24cn 5600G and 5700G had 20 PCIE lane CPU. Yeah, it's PCIE 3.0, but you don't need degree in r/pcmasterrace to understand pcie distribution because it's exactly the same with other Ryzen Like holyshit, PC community keep having dementia about stuff released only 3 years ago.

[@markojovanovic9651]

I am surprised that it doesn't run that much, if at all better(iGPU) than my laptops 7840hs 780m with ddr5 6400. Thought the power limit increase will boost the gpu performance

[@samserious1337]

Yeah, the performance gains are marginal. The Legion Go / Rog Ally /7840hs laptops aren't much slower, despite drawing way less watts.

[@jamesrock9446]

Mad props to GN, solid work yet again!

[@Pro4TLZZ]

Thanks team for the review

[@807800]

Of course, it's GN team that found this issue. Well done you all!

[@francoisgagnonlemieux3135]

Where is the igpu review 😡

[@gosubreboot713]

So glad you talked about a tight build single solution, wow, I am surprised but you did it. just resubbed for that alone

[@NotAPreppie1]

Request for data plots for things like power vs time: adding a 3-/5-/10-/whataver-sample rolling average plot might help by adding clarity to features like significant trends in noisy data.

[@BRC_Del]

Looks like these are going to be incredibly fun to overclock. Thanks, GN team! Now go get some rest.

[@mirrorsandstuff]

I'm honestly stunned that regression testing at AMD didn't catch this behaviour.

[@betag24cn]

i think it was more a confusion here, because they wanted this behavior on laptops as stated on the video something i think is happening again is too small team, too much work at amd, just like with drivers team

[@zihechen3111]

@@betag24cnamd team is not small. They just suck as

[@VeritasEtAequitas]

BIOS issue

[@Angel7black]

Idk why anybody would ever be surprised, theyre prone to releasing products with issues and fixing things later. For christ sakes even just as recent as RDNA with hotspot issues and bugs. Then there was RDNA1 and vega. Their CPUs are usually on point as hell but notice this is a CPU with an iGPU… meaning going into Radeon turf…

[@zihechen3111]

@@Angel7black lets say amd uses his fanbase for beta testing. However amd fans are will smith. they simp so hard.

[@aa4a-a4]

You guys must be working crazy overtime rn. Hope you and the team can get some good rest once all the reviews are out

[@GamersNexus]

I did 40 hours on Saturday & Sunday! Love this stuff but also can't wait for a break to refresh and dive back in.

[@Rodox2k10]

OMG 40 hours in@@GamersNexus STAP that man. You've given enough to keep ASROCK and AMD busy for some time. "Even the things you love may actually fucking kill you without proper moderation." - Me, I just made that shit up. It's true tho ^^

[@Vinnysvf]

I really enjoyed the comparative pricing even with products you normally would be against. That would be a cool thing to see tracked and noted when it changes, maybe in like HW news.

[@fazzafizz7707]

@GamersNexus Dam just miss the discount Code, just placed an order yesterday for the mod mat, toolkit, coasters with 2 Glass and a shirt, I’m in Australia so $345US was $525AUD (dam Australia high import tax), still excited to get it and happy to support people that choose quality over quantity! 👍 Great work as always Steve and your team! Always Looking forward for more content!

[@jnjnqy]

Now, the problem is my GPU would lock at PCIe x1 on EVERY COLD boot since AGESA 1.1.x.x on Gigabyte boards with a 7950x...😢

[@frizzlefry1921]

Reset bios and reflash, have you tried the gpu on another m/b?

[@jnjnqy]

@@frizzlefry1921 Tried everything you mentioned. Now reverted back to Bios F8 which works just fine. GPU (4090) works fine on any AM4 systems. F21a and F21(came out yesterday) are both behaving the same.

[@wingman-1977]

GN is probably the only YT channel that caught that issue/s. Nicely done Steve & company.

[@JohnDoe-ip3oq]

Well, back in the day only anandtech exposed Nvidia LIED about the 1060s ROP spec. Because on paper it had more than 32, but in reality they were completely non-functional, and Nvidia was using this to pretend they were better than the 580 with more vram, which no. The 580 was more future proof and only anand showed the evidence and called out the marketing lies.

[@FarmerKlein]

Not sure if it was mentioned but I am fairly sure the iGPU on these includes AV-1 decode/encode. I am thinking about this or some of the 7XXX or 8XXX HS laptop processors in one of those mini computers as a way to get hardware AV-1 encoding on a two system streaming setup knowing AV1 is higher quality at lower bitrate to H264 or H265 that say a 3XXX series Nvidia card.

[@bjornskoog7129]

I feel like "STAP" is almost, as catchy as "Thanks Steve", not quite but, would certainly love to add this to your list of catch phrases. Thanks Steve!

[@matejboras9279]

we found problem; it doesn't replace their own 200$ rx6600 + 80$ ryzen 5 3600 performance

[@greebj]

Ones does not buy an APU for performance alone. These would mainly be for tiny boxes and minipc prebuilts that cant fit any kind of dGPU 8700 is also 40+% faster on CPU things, and r5+6600xt will get ~double the fps at the cost of ~double the power draw... apples and oranges.

[@matejboras9279]

@@greebj I still see little ITX gpus that can fit in little ITX cases like 4060 and 6600. but for tiny laptops and pocket pc like NUC I think yeah fine

[@PineyJustice]

@@matejboras9279 substantially faster on the CPU side and also much lower power, these get used for HTPC boxes and OEMs are not going to sell multiple generation old parts in prebuilts as these will likely find their way into low cost prebuilts. Why would you think these were intended to be the ultimate in low cost gaming even vs multiple generation old parts?

[@dobermanownerforlife3902]

​@@PineyJusticejuicy good hardware for media server.

[@cburgess7]

nice to see the disappointedment 2024 timeline shirt is off to a great start

[@betag24cn]

for a bios update? i think you didnt saw other years with pcs in flames or exploding psus

[@wasd____]

@@betag24cn For a product that makes sense for almost no one because it gets absolutely stomped for the same price by a budget CPU + RX 6600 combo.

[@betag24cn]

@@wasd____ the product makes sense for very small itx also for my market where second hand rx6600 does not exist and new is close to 450, the market is bigger than the country where you are and not everybody csn do what you say

[@GoPlayMLP]

And THIS is why you're the channel/media outlet/creators that I keep in mind, recommend and generally view when it comes to reviews and tests. You're easily the best! Thanks for your hard work and your thorough research.

[@user-jj1nu7vv4t]

You forgot to mention the included cooler, which saves on the cost especially on a budget. The STAPM catch was really cool. Kudos on that.

[@vlastimil-furst]

Seeing how 8700G is quite constrained by memory, I think I'll consider 8600G for my mini PC. At very least, it's cheaper.

[@palladin9479]

Yeah I went 8600G with 6400MT memory, it all goes inside an Inwin BP655 SFF case, really nice looking but zero room for a dGPU. Lets me play light video games on my living room TV while drinking beer.

[@saricubra2867]

Which CPU isn't constrained by memory? My i7-12700K: 12 core and 20 thread, but dual channel lmao.

[@vlastimil-furst]

@@saricubra2867 Maybe it would surprise you, but most aren't constrained that much, especially with DDR5. We're talking about APUs here, CPUs with strong iGPU. There, memory is a constraint for sure.

[@AquaLady153]

Might get this for an emulating machine once it's stable

[@glenwaldrop8166]

I was thinking about that. The reduction in latency hopefully will help with PS3 emulation, possibly PS4 if it ever gets going. This looks to be better than the PS4 if the calls can be translated.

[@mattrogers6646]

Serious question. Why wouldn't you just get a 7840HS microPC from a reliable brand like Minisforum (UM790, UM780XTX) or Beelink (SER6)? You can get a barebones for under $500, just add RAM and M.2. With 32GB & 1TB for ~$650. Includes USB4, WiFi 6E, BT5, all in a 5" x 5" x 2" package, can even get Oculink if you want eGPU expandability. What advantage do these AM5 APUs have?

[@bassyey]

@@mattrogers6646 Repairability of those is questionable. You get to choose other parts with this.

[@glenwaldrop8166]

@@mattrogers6646 the only thing I really find intriguing here is the latency between the CPU and GPU should be lower, which is a rather large issue with PS3 emulation. If they did the APU correctly it should match the PS4 hardware quite well with a software translator and PS3 with an emulator. Of course the software has to take advantage of that...

[@AquaLady153]

@@mattrogers6646 I like building my own

[@dungeondeezdragons4242]

Great information and testing, i would love to see 7500f in tests.

[@kramnull8962]

Better be getting a GPU that doesn't need frame gen. Something that can run a native resolution in peace, because the numbers for the 7500f is showing 75% usage in benchmarks say with a 4070S which you can imagine is even higher in actual gameplay. And with any kind of frame gen added to a weak GPU mix of ULTRA settings. Hardware unboxed showed the 3070 with 2023 drivers and the gameplay was stupid. Dropping frames and stuttering at 10fps for 30 seconds at times. It is unreal the beating that card is taking in the real world. Yet recommended by many for streaming. Why do you want to broadcast a 10FPS lapse for 30 seconds on your live stream? And countless dropped frames. Was worse in some games than playing on a laptop running 100C.

[@lukaslewandowski5756]

Great and solid review 💪

[@neuplop]

Does the "equivalent price" i3 12100f and rx 6600 count that for the APU also need to buy more ram? So you can allocate it to the cpu. Like cpu+gpu combo can probably play everything with 16gb of ram, but the apu may find problems if you allocate 6gb or 8gb of vram if you only have 16gb of ram.

[@LaughingOrange]

The iGPU does not benefit from 6GB of RAM allocated because the game will be too demanding at that resolution and quality anyways. I expect it to use at most 4GB as vRAM, as this is not a 4k capable GPU. This leaves 12GB for the OS and the game, which is enough for most games. You should invest in faster RAM with the APU, which comes out to about $50.

[@neuplop]

@@LaughingOrange i think 12gb is already on the edge with games of the past two years, and if you want to have discord or music too, you may hit that already. I'm also thinking about the 24gb combos instead of 16gb, not the full 32.

[@badass6300]

So basically ignore the 8700G and get the 8600G because the APUs are still memory bandwidth limited. We really need Quad channel memory and DDR6 for APUs.

[@angelaizen2231]

It's still playable in certain circumstances. E-sports titles running at playable framerates is still an achievement when you consider all the parameters around the APU.

[@badass6300]

@@angelaizen2231 The 5700G plays e-sports as well. The thing is that APUs need more bandwidth.

[@angelaizen2231]

@@badass6300 I'm not disputing that, in just saying if you're seriously budget constrained, but you want a good upgrade path for the nearish future, the 8700G is a fairly good deal.

[@badass6300]

@@angelaizen2231 I'd say an am4 board, r5 5500 and a rx 6600 is a much better choice than just a 8700G. You forget that both AM5 motherboards and DDR5 RAM is very expensive. Hell you might even be able to squeeze a RX 6700(XT) by going with an AM4 board, DDR4 and Ryzen 5 5500.

[@angelaizen2231]

@badass6300 yea, that's fair enough. The 6700xt is a pretty great gpu for its current price. Hell, I even bought one 😅 it's just quite cool that an igpu is that close to being a fully functional gaming computer, albeit at 1080p. At least imo

[@kenjamieson98]

@GamersNexus great work on review and catching the STAP and bios issues. But as an APU user with almost zero intention of ever going back to a dGPU system again i was a little disppointed that the 5600g and 5700g were nowhere to be found outside of power consumption. while i can appricate the hard work your team is doing and understand it would be impossible to directly compare the AM4 APUs to the AM5 ones it does seem to be odd to not at least directly mention performance difference between predecessor and successor. hopefully if the team at GN revisits these cpus after the STAP issue is resolved we could get a performance comparison between the 5000g series and the 8000g series APUS

[@Quast]

@GamersNexus Is there any chance the APUs get another test that look into if they scale power consumption wise as well as the 7000 CPUs when they are set below their standard TDP?

[@mutawi3i]

The GOAT of hardware reviews for litterally decades ! Splendid job m8. Well done and laid out.

[@GamersNexus]

I've gotten more Steve the Gray comments lately, but I'm not THAT old yet! hahaha. Half way through the second decade, and certainly not the GOAT. I'd say that's the likes of Scott Wasson, retired from Tech Report, and Gordon Mah Ung. But sincerely, thank you for the very kind comment! I love doing this work!

[@kristoffernorman1530]

the game bugs at release's phenomena are spreading to the hardware market lol.

[@davidbenes4349]

thank you for this detailed review. I would have liked to have seen these new APUs compared with very low budget GPUs like RX500 series or the GTX 1060.

[@fairycat]

Thanks for review.

[@Ancient_West]

I love watching videos like this as if I COULD EVER AFFORD STUFF LIKE THIS!!! 1050ti and 3770 still going strong.

[@connivingkhajiit]

RX 580 and 2500k over here

[@mycosys]

The Disappointment will never STAP!

[@DaKrawnik]

Neither will the use of STAP in the comments for the next few months.... years? 😏

[@TheSpacemanSal]

Seeing and taking the opportunity to have a cheeky sale from their catch is priceless

[@erictrinque6513]

pure curiosity, do you run scripts/macros to test the manual inputs when doing a manual benchmark in game? I.E. walking around say in baldurs gate from the same load save file for exact sam movements etc? Doesn't make much of any difference. just curious about methodology. Great Vid as always guys

[@napalmarsch]

oh boy when it starts like that it will be fun

[@flywheelshyster6549]

Bought a shirt and mouspad, gotta get one of those anti static matts for building on tho

[@GamersNexus]

Wow! Thanks so much for that. That helps us keep reinvesting in the work! Enjoy!

[@josephhoalt6824]

This isn’t the first time Asrock has a bios issue my son’s B450 Pro4 with his 5800X3D in PBO curve optimizer is broken only all core offset work per core setting lock the chip at base clock. I sent then screen shots and a support ticket over a month ago and after one email from them asking for pictures of said issue it’s been crickets. Great video

[@pravadonisproductions6399]

You’ve got a subscriber. Great review ✔️