We make copper/brass/bronze pistons - what will happen?

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[@jareknowak8712]

Stock rods and 3x more weight on the piston. Thats impressive.

[@sasabarisic8864]

makes you wonder how much boost and torque you can run on the stock motor

[@MushookieMan]

They won't last long under those conditions though, because of fatigue failure

[@MegaSockenschuss]

@@sasabarisic8864 There's a quite big scene in Hungary with Rallye Ladas, they run up to 180 HP and 200Nm with the 1.6 engine. Without boost, but ofc modified af. Havassy Motorsport and the Lada VFTS are worthy keywords into that rabbit hole. :D

[@FuckGoogle502]

I'd be curious to have known the rod lengths before and after.

[@Mackze]

​@@sasabarisic8864 A guy was running 20psi and the 1.6L with stock internals made 170hp 250nm at the wheels

[@ja-bv3lq]

Those pistons are works of art. The copper one is absolutely beautiful! - you guys should sell them. One of those would be a pretty bookend or pen holder on my desk.

[@djaydeved]

ive seen people use pistons as shifter knobs, bit smaller, maybe closer to the size of a 250 piston, make that out of multi metals and that would be cool like a 3 piece design with faux rings a copper top, brass/bronze skirt and aluminum "rings" like, half way in the oil ring is where the material changes or somthing, also a wrist pin made of polished chrome would look nice too

[@Itsjustpinchy]

I use pistons as door noobs.

[@jeanlawson9133]

Cool ​@@Itsjustpinchy

[@JHMBB2]

I know this doesn’t get brought up a lot, but I always love the music choices while they’re building. Never repeats and always fun

[@jasonlogan5765]

Good to know I'm not the only one that gets up and dances like I'm in a club

[@StephanBuchin]

I've been commenting on that several times. They should release some compilations.

[@dondagy9109]

Its the free non licensed music you have to pick to not be demonitized. Alot of youtubers use the same free music.

[@JHMBB2]

@@dondagy9109 I think that’s what’s impressive, I don’t think I’ve heard these on other channels. Not that I watch too many other channels. That and you don’t hear repeating tracks, at least not obvious repeating. Some channels you hear the same tracks video after video, not that it’s a bad thing, but G54 seems to make an effort to find new stuff to play, and it’s always good.

[@DRNEGOLICIS]

This is actually the first decent choice of music, most the time it’s horrid noise and I have to mute the audio

[@christianmeeks4430]

I am really amazed that the rod bolts held up. I was really expecting something ro let go the entire time.

[@irgant]

The connecting rod from the fret engine withstands 150,000 Nm to break

[@vortecmacs]

Man. That engine is wildly unbalanced. I’d love to see a full set of each material and run them. And let’s see it on a dyno!

[@luckgrip252]

Oh yeah, it'd be more informative. Instead of each piston weighing more and more, make them weigh roughly the same, but trying out each material which would reveal the importance of piston weight

[@RitaElaineHeltonBarker-uz4sz]

Where's the Titanium crankshaft which would definitely be necessary

[@easydoz1]

400 gram aluminum and the rest 1300-1500g was the major fault here. The counterweights on the crank have to work together. 😢

[@engineprojects]

I was Just about to say the same

[@zZWolfyZz]

​@@RitaElaineHeltonBarker-uz4sztitanium qould be useless it needs a tungsten crank of course it will rev like molasses but it would take the abuse and also be very easy to drive as all the rotating mass would be very hard to slow down once moving

[@johnjelinek-g7b]

I've seen you guys do a LOT of crazy stuff, but this was INSANE . LOL I just learned a lada IS the most indestructible engine known to man . The reciprocating weight is INSANE . I expected the rod bearings to pound as flat as paper and spin like a top . lol

[@shaggy5777]

Since the brass piston seemed to hold up the best may I suggest trying to replace all 4 pistons with brass ones and see how well it runs.

[@poached_egg_on_cars]

brass pistons, brass rods, and brass crankshaft. See how many components can be machined in brass and if its an improvement in any way

[@sayingnigromakesyoutubecry2647]

4 brass pistons are enough. With a bigger flywheel it should last forever... Xd

[@makeitpay8241]

@@poached_egg_on_cars can we also get a brass block?

[@Nikolai_The_Crazed]

Brass is a soft metal, so there’s probably going to be long term wear issues.

[@makeitpay8241]

yes, that is what i want to see, rapid wear and damage as the engine kills itself.@@Nikolai_The_Crazed

[@jeanpaulcomeau8131]

Mechanical crazy ness at its pinnacle.. That s what I love about your channel guys . Keep doing it . Greatings from Malaysia

[@PapiDoesIt]

Those pistons were too beautiful to install!

[@Reman1975]

If they wouldn't cost an absolute fortune to post, I'd say they should mount them on wooden plinths (Still attached to con rods) and auction them off for charity. I'm sure some well to do fan of the channel would drop some silly money to have one as an ornament in their office.

[@jonesgang]

That is one tough little motor. You guys never cease to amaze!

[@alum1n1umkn1ght3]

You guy's are something else. I'll have to make a visit to your place when I'm in Russia.

[@i_woke_up_in_a_new_buggati]

That'd be cool!

[@reapermansoldholdensixmech8675]

Love the ingenuity of these blokes, no matter how nuts their ideas seem. Thanks for making these vids.

[@nigelterry9299]

Amazes me how tough Ladas are, given their rust reputation.

[@powerbuilder0510]

this would be super fun to watch with a full set of each piston (steel, aluminum, copper, brass, bronze and heat treated to somewhat harden them so the wrist pins don't go oval shaped on the piston) in a diesel and petrol and see if you run them with lightened or no flywheel. eg. diesel engine with fat heavy pistons and a very light or no flywheel.

[@TheBeeMan1994]

Flywheels keep a constant rotation, they help smooth out the power pulses while pistons are forced to move up and down. With heavier pistons you would need a heavier flywheel to overcome the weight of the pistons, or else it would vibrate terribly bad and constantly want to die.

[@DarkAttack14]

I personlaly do not think that would work because a flywheel is meant to smooth out the shocks between power strokes, where as using heavy pistons will just increase those shocks. Removing the flywheel would probably make the shaking even worse!

[@onestopfabshop3224]

You guys did a nice job machining them. Nice looking peices. They'd look good on your desk for a pencil holder when you're done with them!

[@granderondeproductions3286]

Bro/girl I thought the same thing! lol they look NICE. I dig the copper one.

[@martyzielinski1442]

THAT is your idea of nice machining? Are you serious? Look at the pin chamfers.....the edge of the skirts. Looks like someone did that with an angle grinder. And not carefully at that. Garbage work. Garbage idea.

[@murmaider2]

Garage 54 videos are a testament to how well engineered Lada engines are. These guys put these engines through some really ridiculous experiments that I feel like most engines wouldn't survive.

[@XtreeM_FaiL]

Lada is poorly made Fiat. No engineering needed or used.

[@joro407]

@@XtreeM_FaiL Except is a better version of a Fiat.

[@i_woke_up_in_a_new_buggati]

Next video: We make pistons out of uranium!

[@s5studio891]

Who’s ranium?

[@MWB2Bleachfan]

your's, now send it over @@s5studio891

[@daewooparts]

or plutonium ☢️

[@joejoejoejoejoejoe4391]

Isn't that quite heavy? (And I presume expensive, IF you can get it.

[@Motherduck-ld2]

@@joejoejoejoejoejoe4391 i think it was supposed to be a joke

[@rocketsurgeon11]

I want to see the rod and main bearings. It's impressive that it didn't break a rod or a rod bolt. That is impressive for sure! I am convinced that if a good flowing head was put on a Lada engine you could rev the snot out of it and boost it to the moon. As long as you could keep a head gasket in it I bet it would make some pretty darn good power.

[@ifgezroxy]

Fiat heads are used in Finnish folk racing. And there are turbo ladas on street use, that have fiat twin cam heads. And they produce a lot of power. 💪

[@SerPurple51]

Vlad's face when it started up 😂 These guys never fail to entertain!

[@gordonagent7037]

New subscriber from Australia, I’m not sure how I found your channel but pleased so pleased I did, this should be a great learning tool for first year mechanics I think as they ask interesting questions and your channel certainly covers a wide range of answers. I love the scope and also it’s always interesting to see how other people from other countries approach things. I look forward to going back through your library of videos and catching up. Also, thankyou for the excellent voice over of your commentary. Many thanks and congratulations on a really interesting channel

[@SovereignKnight74]

I love this channel! They do all sorts of interesting things! Even wacky ones!

[@JAMIN.IT.DEEP.]

This channel is great for everyone with a mechanical mind . Thanks

[@djcybercorgi]

WHAT A COOL VIDEO!!! Man, I want to see more different materials used in a motor... this is awesome!

[@zAvAvAz]

You are absolutely omazing. i am, love your channel. Bless you for this. Make copper brass bronze ceramic silicon ALUMINUM alloy. Then you have the best pistons in the world.

[@DodgeCharger900]

These Lada engines seem to be some of the most dureable ones in the world.👍

[@caoimhin27]

no😭

[@TF2Scout..]

​@biohazard8295 most ladas are from Soviet era so no Peugeot engines there

[@Bolonyman]

Super simple engine that doesn't make enough power to hurt itself...

[@ryanrohauer5940]

im blown away that little thing held together for all that revving them lil ladas man

[@adriendecroy7254]

Tungsten piston next. I'm impressed the rods and cranks held it together that long. They need to show the crank, big end bearings and crank journals.

[@johnsnow1355]

Yeah I wanted to see how hammered the bearings were

[@Ithirahad]

Tungsten probably just shatters. It's hard, but not very strong in general. It might be more interesting to see different less common alloys, like Al-Cu or manganese bronze.

[@mrmatt2525able]

Nice to see you guys having some genuine laughter when funny stuff happens

[@JimWisniewski2005]

you could make a whole engine out of brass (something like the acrylic one but with metall) and see how it behaves and how much it weights

[@Eluderatnight]

I bet a brass engine would sound amazing.

[@martin-vv9lf]

That would be a lot of work and expense. I wonder if they poured babbit bearings in an old engine block that spun a main bearing, then line bored it would it still run.

[@Eluderatnight]

@@martin-vv9lf to do babbit mains you put in a precision ground undersized rods across all the mains and then pour. Next blue mains and fit crank. Scrape until 40+ points per inch.

[@joe125ful]

3:44 Wow they looks great!

[@thewilliamss2392]

I think the next one should be how long will lightened pistons last i.e cutting out bits of the pistons and rods

[@Reman1975]

Interesting idea. I'm sure stock pistons could probably cope with at least a few largish holes drilled through their skirts.

[@thewilliamss2392]

@@Reman1975 I was also thinking of drilling holes in the rod's as well

[@FuckGoogle502]

@@Reman1975 Seems to me like that would just cause a lot of drag as the oil getting scraped from the cylinder walls causes a pressure differential through the holes. Plus, pistons do rock a slight bit as the engine runs. Shortening the skirts a bit at a time would probably work better.

[@thedarkknight1971]

Or even better, stock Lada motor but with ALL lightened internals, pistons, rods, flywheel and more... How much more "POWAAARRR!" Hahaha 😉👍🤣🤣🤣 😎🇬🇧

[@oscaranderson1822]

Thank you for all the wonderful videos. It's so neat to see total experiments going on.

[@SCComega]

So, how would it do with all brass pistons? How long could you get one to run for?

[@kinsmart7294]

It would probably last longer but you still have the problem with it work hardening. Brass or copper doesn't have the "springiness" that iron and steel have, so they harden in the stress points so much that the metal becomes brittle and cracks

[@michaellegg9381]

​@@kinsmart7294it becomes porous and soft after getting hot.. alloy heads and cast heads are known for it after overheating the engine.. you can test it buy using a ball bearing and a tube to hold the ball and if the heads strong it will bounce and if it's gone soft it won't bounce it's the fastest way to see it the heads porous or not.

[@granderondeproductions3286]

@@kinsmart7294 I've heard the same with Magnesium metal.

[@mr.thebandit.2370]

make a bronze set of 4 a get a crank and rods ( because of piston bobweight ) made put stainless steel sleeves in the block ( bronze slides on stainless steel like ice on glass. ) and it should be a torque monster with all that rotating mass.

[@spankyham9607]

Take what you think was best material, machine 3 more, equal their weight and balance the rotating assembly. Then let's see how it runs.

[@Mikanikalmotorcicl]

❤❤Thank you very much. This topic has been on my mind for a while, and with the clarification that you made, I will add to it that if the cylinder was moved in proportion to the offset, the defects that I mentioned would disappear. It is better than the counterweight.

[@tjwalker997]

I love how you guys go above and beyond with Theas videos. Ide love to see 3 different Lada engines with all copper/bras and bronze pistons and have them all roughly the same weight just to see how they would compare instead of having 4 different pistons in the same engine. And maybe try to have a hardened piston wrist pin hole to stop them from ovaling out the holes. (like a piston sleeve but for the wrist pin). Either way keep up the wired and wonderful vids 👌

[@rogerpearson9081]

You mad buggers! Surprised that nothing let go with all that revving. You do some real world experiments that are interesting to see the results. This one is pretty amazing that nothing went kaboom😊😊😊

[@Ang3lUki]

Really hope the war doesn't negatively impact these guys, I love their content.

[@Zoey_KL]

Keep politics out of content creation

[@obiwanceleri]

The original engineers were assuming each piston would weigh the same. Different weights led to unstable operation. As many have said here, putting in 4 brass pistons, 4 copper pistons and 4 bronze pistons would help your cause.

[@rickpaulos]

I'd say not. The pistons are counter balanced by the shapes on the crank shaft in simple engines or by secondary counterbalance shafts in more sophisticated engines.

[@jaykoerner]

​@@rickpaulosdepends on the configuration, but if secondary counter shafts are used they are almost always to deal with secondary balance issues not primary so to deal with uneven piston weights it is solely a crank counter weight issue

[@6Twisted]

You guys should do these kind of tests on a single cylinder motorcycle engine. Much easier to work on and you don't need to deal with 4 combustion chambers.

[@AwakenedR6]

for a model it may be interesting, but these guys use the lada as a baseline to compare performance. a motorcycle probably wouldn't experience as high cylinder pressures and loads as a conventional 4 cyl engine.

[@bshinn4884]

​​@@AwakenedR6They could get a high compression V twin. Most motorcycle engines run higher compression as they lose heat quicker than a car engine due to size

[@hitekredneck109]

​@@AwakenedR6lol......put these pistons in a dnepr engine and I'll be things would get really fun really quick!!!

[@otool]

I’d love a tour of the community they are in and some insight to life there.

[@scorpion-in2xj]

I wonder if the crankshaft bearing where ok or had been hammered around its to bad we didn't get a chance to see them 😊

[@foxpopuli6982]

This is an excellent example of what happens when an engine is unbalanced/imbalanced You have my utmost respect for testing this idea!

[@CONCEPTUALMAN]

I wonder if increasing the crankshaft counterweights would help with the rough run. 4 pistons of each metal would be cool too.!

[@mr.notsure9679]

I would very much enjoy hanging out with these guys. Amazing this worked.

[@ricka.a.]

Excelent experiment. I think a copper piston might be a good choice for old stationary engines once the crankshaft is balanced to match. The old engines that have a maximum of 400 to 500 rpm.

[@vtecro1826]

Jim Sim...this is a good add for Lada s I would never have believed this engine could stand the off balance and weight differences between cylinders and crank balance differences between all top and bottom piston balance...

[@thatguybrody4819]

i'm curious to see all brass piston heads. full bronze and copper are also on my mind but i want to see if the brass work hardens and lasts longer while giving the engine a little bit more power.

[@restaurantattheendofthegalaxy]

I just love your channel. Very cool idea for copper / bronze pistons!

[@GHOOGLEMALE]

Incredible strength in those old Lada engines

[@quartzcyanis]

Copper pistons are common in some steam engines due to their low weight and resistance to moisture

[@lasskinn474]

low weight? I could see how high heat conductivity would be useful though

[@quartzcyanis]

@@lasskinn474 low weight compared to rough cast iron of the time

[@SocketSlinger]

And older air-compressors used brass sometimes..

[@ЕвгенийПрижогин]

​@@quartzcyaniscast iron has way less density than copper 😂

[@quartzcyanis]

@@SocketSlinger yup, not plastic like nowadays

[@ElliotBall-n6u]

Vlad's face when it started up These guys never fail to entertain!. Those pistons were too beautiful to install!.

[@michaelgoodman6734]

I would love to see how it would do with all 4 copper. And leave them sized correctly.

[@bobirving6052]

Good post-analysis. Primary, piston slap. Secondary, wrist-pin knock. Lada engine built strong! 👍

[@JonMadHatter]

Copper piston is interesting . Perphaps adding a copper layer to each piston top to promote better heat management preventing detonation .

[@oshkiv4684]

Aluminum already has a good heat transfer rate, I wouldn't think copper would do very much to help that

[@Athiril]

A coating to do the opposite helps, ceramic or other coatings etc

[@j5892000]

No. That's a bad idea

[@vikasshelke5544]

Unnecessarily cost increasing besides weight .aluminum being supple can last longer

[@sethcrawford6219]

I’ve been around since the beginning of this channel and man has he grown

[@punisher3607]

Make lead pistons 😂

[@elinoreberkley1643]

no no not lead. That is deadly. Gold? J/K

[@evann1136]

@@elinoreberkley1643lead isn’t that harmful.

[@leonardhirtle3645]

A friend of mine had a Lada back in the late seventies. It was a little crude but the engine was tough and reliable. I wish I had one now.

[@Hobby_Electric]

i want to see a lead Piston

[@kimurajustice]

It's gonna melt obviously lol

[@volvo09]

​@@kimurajusticewell, they did make wood and plastic pistons after all 😂

[@Nismo11]

Imagine osmium pitons! I'm not sure the price would be worth it, though. Four pistons would cost more than a house, not to mention the near impossibility of melting, then machining them.

[@skyzey9296]

@@Nismo11 tungsten is also really heavy and cheaper than osmium ( still super expansive ) but machining it will be a nightmare

[@Nismo11]

@@skyzey9296 Yeah. Despite tungsten's relatively low price, it's difficult to machine. So difficult, in fact, while 1 kg of tungsten is only worth around $30, 1 kg machined into a simple shape is sold for $200-$300. I guess we'll just have to hope for lead poisoning. lol

[@WarblesOnALot]

G'day, My father started work in 1923, in his father's Blacksmith's Shop. In 1948 he bought an Offset-Chuck Crankshaft-Grinder, Having become an Engine Reconditioner. In the 1960s I watched him cast a set of new Pistons for a Fordson Tractor, when no New Spares were available. He used to keep a wooden box a metre square & half a metre deep, full of old discarded Pistons - as a source of Aluminium for the remelting. Because there's more metal in the Skirt than the Gudgeon-Pin Supports, And because the extra metal means Extra Expansion as the metal heats up, Dad had a setup to Cam- Grind the Pistons, into Eliptical Section - removing metal from the Thicker sections of the Skirts. Then, instead of Expanding out of Round & Siezing up, The Eliptical Pistons Expanded to Become Circular, and thus could cope with Australian conditions. Cossack Motorcycles imported into Sydney used to need to have their Pistons pulled and Cam-Ground to render the Bikes useable in Australia. Otherwise they used to seize up after about 10 miles riding. Why is it that Russians Dunno About Cam-Grinding Pistons ? One Wonders. Such is life, Have a good one... Stay safe. ;-p Ciao !

[@deanjohnston4806]

You should melt all four into a new alloy and make four new pistons then try those.

[@jakubkrcma]

🤣👍

[@oshkiv4684]

You'd pretty much just get a very poor aluminum bronze. With a ratio of 3:1 you'd start seeing some brittleness to them

[@stacyp4534]

Man those are very pretty if nothing else!

[@joshuagibson2520]

This was silly. Why wouldn't you do 4 copper pistons? The balnce had to be atrocious with one of each different type of metal.

[@White_Fang2102]

Thank you for research , This video is one of the best research.

[@themausindahaus814]

Glass Pistons?

[@TF2Scout..]

I don't think glass pistons would survive the Russian roads even if they worked

[@jimsworthow531]

Great experiment; never seen before; thanks for making such an interesting project.

[@Yousitech]

Prediction. It’ll run.

[@marsrover001]

It's garage 54, it always runs. How well is the actual question.

[@temsonsimeki1808]

Well done thank you

[@ameeralamkhan5910]

Outstanding...very informative video...Next time i think that you should make all pistons out of copper or Bronze..then it will show us accurate results..of which material is better for piston...and may be you will make things better than renowned car manufacturers...Gd luck..gd to see you carrying out the research..❤

[@oscaranderson1822]

Very interesting results. I was really amazed it took full throttle as long as it did! That was a really cool experiment good job manufacturing your own Pistons. And no we know.❤

[@trevor02150]

Top notch machine work making those pistons.👍👍👍.

[@Subnortherner]

Interesting video! Glad you tried this.

[@busyguy7479]

this was a lot of fun punishing that engine ,it was so out of balance no wonder it was shaking apart. anyway its a pleasure watching you guys having fun doing what you do best. keep the vids coming kudos.

[@halletts1171]

One of the craziest builds I've ever seen. Great stuff, keep it coming! Got a new Subscriber too.

[@williamlindsey4148]

I really enjoy these guys and their projects. 😊

[@OwhyeeVdub]

This dude does some wild stuff. Awesome!

[@juliosuarez7204]

Thanks for teaching like that 🎉...you guys make a big effort 😊 good episode ❤

[@Mikanikalmotorcicl]

The length of the journey and the speed of fall are supposed to be taken into account in the fuel equation and the electric spark ‏‪2:47‬‏

[@garycarpenter2932]

his takes 'balanced' and blueprinted to a whole new level.

[@Shadobanned4life]

Awesome vid ! Thanks guys.🌞

[@InsideOfMyOwnMind]

Very impressive making pistons like that, and they all held up better than expected for homemade pistons.

[@MarcosGuilhen]

You guys laugh was so contagious haha. Nice!

[@TechMage299]

This genuinely one of my favorite channels to watch, such ridiculousness 😂

[@NinJaHunTa]

Only issue there was the inbalance from different mass and weight in each piston, would also be interesting to see the effects after 10,000 ks or more, not just a quick thrashing

[@jckrieger]

If you do future experiments, try machining the piston with the correct dimensions for the temperatures on the piston. The area above the top ring should be a smaller diameter than the area below the top ring and so-on. You can see on most of those pistons how the top land was really scuffed, but further down everything looked OK. In addition, the piston shouldn't be round, but that's a topic for another day.

[@DaisyKarensunflower]

It fact it not Ballance property. I would put that aluminum in center it uneven.

[@SamSap-i6p]

Respect, that's alot of effort for an video👍

[@paulskinback717]

That was hilarious I was waiting for that crank to come flying out well done lads that was great make som plastic ones

[@alistairshanks5099]

Bronze pistons were tried in very early engines but were damaged by combustion and ring wear. Before Aluminium cast iron was the norm.

[@christinaprinz3612]

One of the best Videos and Tests in the tec Market…🍾🥇🇦🇹

[@sc1338]

You guys always make interesting videos! love from the 🇺🇸

[@roberthoward5015]

I would absolutely love to come visit you all..

[@herrkulor3771]

Hello @garage 54, Now copper plate some original Lada pistons. For comparison also try Nickel plating original pistons. If you would be the Tsar of Russia, you should also consider gold and silver plated Pistons. Let's go!

[@lennartswenson2690]

Garage 54, where are you?... Only old timers will get that homage in comedy...

[@imsayingthisinmybrainbeacu6049]

I've heard it from Australians here an im welmd with humour about 3 minutes of smiles from reading this comment 😄

[@destin-diesel.9495]

Can you all try a full set of brass pistons? And machine the wrist pin in a little for a snap-ring. And can the piston be dished in for a little less compression. If they prove durable enough might be fun to toss on a turbocharger!

[@abelferquiza1627]

ceramic!!! at least the top piston surface or the head cilinder sector what face the chamber. This would be great! Your wonderful videos inspires me.

[@SunFlower-ts9ow]

Man I love this channel!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[@neilbrown3359]

This is the best automotive channel!!!

[@dh2360]

Really cool experiments, interesting to just put ideas to the test.

[@johnnymack8442]

Thats cool. You guys are awesome. I love this channel.