We make copper/brass/bronze pistons - what will happen?

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[@vortecmacs]

Man. That engine is wildly unbalanced. I’d love to see a full set of each material and run them. And let’s see it on a dyno!

[@luckgrip252]

Oh yeah, it'd be more informative. Instead of each piston weighing more and more, make them weigh roughly the same, but trying out each material which would reveal the importance of piston weight

[@RitaElaineHeltonBarker-uz4sz]

Where's the Titanium crankshaft which would definitely be necessary

[@easydoz1]

400 gram aluminum and the rest 1300-1500g was the major fault here. The counterweights on the crank have to work together. 😢

[@engineprojects]

I was Just about to say the same

[@zZWolfyZz]

​@@RitaElaineHeltonBarker-uz4sztitanium qould be useless it needs a tungsten crank of course it will rev like molasses but it would take the abuse and also be very easy to drive as all the rotating mass would be very hard to slow down once moving

[@i_woke_up_in_a_new_buggati]

Next video: We make pistons out of uranium!

[@s5studio891]

Who’s ranium?

[@MWB2Bleachfan]

your's, now send it over @@s5studio891

[@daewooparts]

or plutonium ☢️

[@joejoejoejoejoejoe4391]

Isn't that quite heavy? (And I presume expensive, IF you can get it.

[@user-jc9uc2mk4s]

@@joejoejoejoejoejoe4391 i think it was supposed to be a joke

[@SoylentGamer]

Really hope the war doesn't negatively impact these guys, I love their content.

[@christianmeeks4430]

I am really amazed that the rod bolts held up. I was really expecting something ro let go the entire time.

[@irgant]

The connecting rod from the fret engine withstands 150,000 Nm to break

[@jareknowak8712]

Stock rods and 3x more weight on the piston. Thats impressive.

[@sasabarisic8864]

makes you wonder how much boost and torque you can run on the stock motor

[@MushookieMan]

They won't last long under those conditions though, because of fatigue failure

[@MegaSockenschuss]

@@sasabarisic8864 There's a quite big scene in Hungary with Rallye Ladas, they run up to 180 HP and 200Nm with the 1.6 engine. Without boost, but ofc modified af. Havassy Motorsport and the Lada VFTS are worthy keywords into that rabbit hole. :D

[@FuckGoogle502]

I'd be curious to have known the rod lengths before and after.

[@Mackze]

​@@sasabarisic8864 A guy was running 20psi and the 1.6L with stock internals made 170hp 250nm at the wheels

[@grandmaster1004]

I know this doesn’t get brought up a lot, but I always love the music choices while they’re building. Never repeats and always fun

[@jasonlogan5765]

Good to know I'm not the only one that gets up and dances like I'm in a club

[@StephanBuchin]

I've been commenting on that several times. They should release some compilations.

[@dondagy9109]

Its the free non licensed music you have to pick to not be demonitized. Alot of youtubers use the same free music.

[@grandmaster1004]

@@dondagy9109 I think that’s what’s impressive, I don’t think I’ve heard these on other channels. Not that I watch too many other channels. That and you don’t hear repeating tracks, at least not obvious repeating. Some channels you hear the same tracks video after video, not that it’s a bad thing, but G54 seems to make an effort to find new stuff to play, and it’s always good.

[@DRNEGOLICIS]

This is actually the first decent choice of music, most the time it’s horrid noise and I have to mute the audio

[@ja-bv3lq]

Those pistons are works of art. The copper one is absolutely beautiful! - you guys should sell them. One of those would be a pretty bookend or pen holder on my desk.

[@djaydeved]

ive seen people use pistons as shifter knobs, bit smaller, maybe closer to the size of a 250 piston, make that out of multi metals and that would be cool like a 3 piece design with faux rings a copper top, brass/bronze skirt and aluminum "rings" like, half way in the oil ring is where the material changes or somthing, also a wrist pin made of polished chrome would look nice too

[@Normallyneil]

I use pistons as door noobs.

[@user-kh2yl6nn3l]

I've seen you guys do a LOT of crazy stuff, but this was INSANE . LOL I just learned a lada IS the most indestructible engine known to man . The reciprocating weight is INSANE . I expected the rod bearings to pound as flat as paper and spin like a top . lol

[@shaggy5777]

Since the brass piston seemed to hold up the best may I suggest trying to replace all 4 pistons with brass ones and see how well it runs.

[@poached_egg_on_cars]

brass pistons, brass rods, and brass crankshaft. See how many components can be machined in brass and if its an improvement in any way

[@sayingnigromakesyoutubecry2647]

4 brass pistons are enough. With a bigger flywheel it should last forever... Xd

[@makeitpay8241]

@@poached_egg_on_cars can we also get a brass block?

[@Nikolai_The_Crazed]

Brass is a soft metal, so there’s probably going to be long term wear issues.

[@makeitpay8241]

yes, that is what i want to see, rapid wear and damage as the engine kills itself.@@Nikolai_The_Crazed

[@PapiDoesIt]

Those pistons were too beautiful to install!

[@Reman1975]

If they wouldn't cost an absolute fortune to post, I'd say they should mount them on wooden plinths (Still attached to con rods) and auction them off for charity. I'm sure some well to do fan of the channel would drop some silly money to have one as an ornament in their office.

[@powerbuilder0510]

this would be super fun to watch with a full set of each piston (steel, aluminum, copper, brass, bronze and heat treated to somewhat harden them so the wrist pins don't go oval shaped on the piston) in a diesel and petrol and see if you run them with lightened or no flywheel. eg. diesel engine with fat heavy pistons and a very light or no flywheel.

[@TheBeeMan1994]

Flywheels keep a constant rotation, they help smooth out the power pulses while pistons are forced to move up and down. With heavier pistons you would need a heavier flywheel to overcome the weight of the pistons, or else it would vibrate terribly bad and constantly want to die.

[@DarkAttack14]

I personlaly do not think that would work because a flywheel is meant to smooth out the shocks between power strokes, where as using heavy pistons will just increase those shocks. Removing the flywheel would probably make the shaking even worse!

[@jonesgang]

That is one tough little motor. You guys never cease to amaze!

[@SerPurple51]

Vlad's face when it started up 😂 These guys never fail to entertain!

[@nigelterry9299]

Amazes me how tough Ladas are, given their rust reputation.

[@adriendecroy7254]

Tungsten piston next. I'm impressed the rods and cranks held it together that long. They need to show the crank, big end bearings and crank journals.

[@johnsnow1355]

Yeah I wanted to see how hammered the bearings were

[@Ithirahad]

Tungsten probably just shatters. It's hard, but not very strong in general. It might be more interesting to see different less common alloys, like Al-Cu or manganese bronze.

[@ricka.a.]

Excelent experiment. I think a copper piston might be a good choice for old stationary engines once the crankshaft is balanced to match. The old engines that have a maximum of 400 to 500 rpm.

[@spankyham9607]

Take what you think was best material, machine 3 more, equal their weight and balance the rotating assembly. Then let's see how it runs.

[@onestopfabshop3224]

You guys did a nice job machining them. Nice looking peices. They'd look good on your desk for a pencil holder when you're done with them!

[@granderondeproductions3286]

Bro/girl I thought the same thing! lol they look NICE. I dig the copper one.

[@martyzielinski1442]

THAT is your idea of nice machining? Are you serious? Look at the pin chamfers.....the edge of the skirts. Looks like someone did that with an angle grinder. And not carefully at that. Garbage work. Garbage idea.

[@rocketsurgeon11]

I want to see the rod and main bearings. It's impressive that it didn't break a rod or a rod bolt. That is impressive for sure! I am convinced that if a good flowing head was put on a Lada engine you could rev the snot out of it and boost it to the moon. As long as you could keep a head gasket in it I bet it would make some pretty darn good power.

[@murmaider2]

Garage 54 videos are a testament to how well engineered Lada engines are. These guys put these engines through some really ridiculous experiments that I feel like most engines wouldn't survive.

[@XtreeM_FaiL]

Lada is poorly made Fiat. No engineering needed or used.

[@joro407]

@@XtreeM_FaiL Except is a better version of a Fiat.

[@thewilliamss2392]

I think the next one should be how long will lightened pistons last i.e cutting out bits of the pistons and rods

[@Reman1975]

Interesting idea. I'm sure stock pistons could probably cope with at least a few largish holes drilled through their skirts.

[@thewilliamss2392]

@@Reman1975 I was also thinking of drilling holes in the rod's as well

[@FuckGoogle502]

@@Reman1975 Seems to me like that would just cause a lot of drag as the oil getting scraped from the cylinder walls causes a pressure differential through the holes. Plus, pistons do rock a slight bit as the engine runs. Shortening the skirts a bit at a time would probably work better.

[@thedarkknight1971]

Or even better, stock Lada motor but with ALL lightened internals, pistons, rods, flywheel and more... How much more "POWAAARRR!" Hahaha 😉👍🤣🤣🤣 😎🇬🇧

[@alum1n1umkn1ght3]

You guy's are something else. I'll have to make a visit to your place when I'm in Russia.

[@i_woke_up_in_a_new_buggati]

That'd be cool!

[@obiwanceleri]

The original engineers were assuming each piston would weigh the same. Different weights led to unstable operation. As many have said here, putting in 4 brass pistons, 4 copper pistons and 4 bronze pistons would help your cause.

[@rickpaulos]

I'd say not. The pistons are counter balanced by the shapes on the crank shaft in simple engines or by secondary counterbalance shafts in more sophisticated engines.

[@jaykoerner]

​@@rickpaulosdepends on the configuration, but if secondary counter shafts are used they are almost always to deal with secondary balance issues not primary so to deal with uneven piston weights it is solely a crank counter weight issue

[@jeanpaulcomeau8131]

Mechanical crazy ness at its pinnacle.. That s what I love about your channel guys . Keep doing it . Greatings from Malaysia

[@SCComega]

So, how would it do with all brass pistons? How long could you get one to run for?

[@kinsmart7294]

It would probably last longer but you still have the problem with it work hardening. Brass or copper doesn't have the "springiness" that iron and steel have, so they harden in the stress points so much that the metal becomes brittle and cracks

[@michaellegg9381]

​@@kinsmart7294it becomes porous and soft after getting hot.. alloy heads and cast heads are known for it after overheating the engine.. you can test it buy using a ball bearing and a tube to hold the ball and if the heads strong it will bounce and if it's gone soft it won't bounce it's the fastest way to see it the heads porous or not.

[@granderondeproductions3286]

@@kinsmart7294 I've heard the same with Magnesium metal.

[@DodgeCharger900]

These Lada engines seem to be some of the most dureable ones in the world.👍

[@feelsatisfaction]

no😭

[@biohazard8295]

I think Lada uses peugeout engines, built under license

[@TF2Scout..]

​@@biohazard8295 most ladas are from Soviet era so no Peugeot engines there

[@oscaranderson1822]

Thank you for all the wonderful videos. It's so neat to see total experiments going on.

[@6Twisted]

You guys should do these kind of tests on a single cylinder motorcycle engine. Much easier to work on and you don't need to deal with 4 combustion chambers.

[@AwakenedR6]

for a model it may be interesting, but these guys use the lada as a baseline to compare performance. a motorcycle probably wouldn't experience as high cylinder pressures and loads as a conventional 4 cyl engine.

[@bshinn4884]

​​@@AwakenedR6They could get a high compression V twin. Most motorcycle engines run higher compression as they lose heat quicker than a car engine due to size

[@hitekredneck109]

​@@AwakenedR6lol......put these pistons in a dnepr engine and I'll be things would get really fun really quick!!!

[@jimwisniewski9553]

you could make a whole engine out of brass (something like the acrylic one but with metall) and see how it behaves and how much it weights

[@Eluderatnight]

I bet a brass engine would sound amazing.

[@martin-vv9lf]

That would be a lot of work and expense. I wonder if they poured babbit bearings in an old engine block that spun a main bearing, then line bored it would it still run.

[@Eluderatnight]

@@martin-vv9lf to do babbit mains you put in a precision ground undersized rods across all the mains and then pour. Next blue mains and fit crank. Scrape until 40+ points per inch.

[@jasonbryan8357]

WHAT A COOL VIDEO!!! Man, I want to see more different materials used in a motor... this is awesome!

[@thomasfx3190]

I just love your channel. Very cool idea for copper / bronze pistons!

[@SovereignKnight74]

I love this channel! They do all sorts of interesting things! Even wacky ones!

[@GHOOGLEMALE]

Incredible strength in those old Lada engines

[@mrmatt2525able]

Nice to see you guys having some genuine laughter when funny stuff happens

[@thatguybrody4819]

i'm curious to see all brass piston heads. full bronze and copper are also on my mind but i want to see if the brass work hardens and lasts longer while giving the engine a little bit more power.

[@scorpion-in2xj]

I wonder if the crankshaft bearing where ok or had been hammered around its to bad we didn't get a chance to see them 😊

[@ILOVEBACONBOY2018]

This channel is amazing absolutely love the content

[@mobygodfrey4936]

Really like to see 4brass ones in one of these little beauties if the bearings and crank tolerated this i think it would run pretty decent and once you got it spun up it might actually make a little bit of power maybe dome the piston just a little tiny bit for added compression and cut the skirts with the mill as well as the wrist pin pocket

[@CONCEPTUALMAN]

I wonder if increasing the crankshaft counterweights would help with the rough run. 4 pistons of each metal would be cool too.!

[@MF175mp]

Try all lead pistons next. Machine them as heavy as possible.

[@punisher3607]

Make lead pistons 😂

[@elinoreberkley1643]

no no not lead. That is deadly. Gold? J/K

[@evann1136]

@@elinoreberkley1643lead isn’t that harmful.

[@gordonagent7037]

New subscriber from Australia, I’m not sure how I found your channel but pleased so pleased I did, this should be a great learning tool for first year mechanics I think as they ask interesting questions and your channel certainly covers a wide range of answers. I love the scope and also it’s always interesting to see how other people from other countries approach things. I look forward to going back through your library of videos and catching up. Also, thankyou for the excellent voice over of your commentary. Many thanks and congratulations on a really interesting channel

[@alistairshanks5099]

Bronze pistons were tried in very early engines but were damaged by combustion and ring wear. Before Aluminium cast iron was the norm.

[@Hobby_Electric]

i want to see a lead Piston

[@kimurajustice]

It's gonna melt obviously lol

[@volvo09]

​@@kimurajusticewell, they did make wood and plastic pistons after all 😂

[@Nismo11]

Imagine osmium pitons! I'm not sure the price would be worth it, though. Four pistons would cost more than a house, not to mention the near impossibility of melting, then machining them.

[@skyzey9296]

@@Nismo11 tungsten is also really heavy and cheaper than osmium ( still super expansive ) but machining it will be a nightmare

[@Nismo11]

@@skyzey9296 Yeah. Despite tungsten's relatively low price, it's difficult to machine. So difficult, in fact, while 1 kg of tungsten is only worth around $30, 1 kg machined into a simple shape is sold for $200-$300. I guess we'll just have to hope for lead poisoning. lol

[@beez1598]

Thanks bmi Russian. These videos make my day, wouldn’t be able to enjoy them without you!

[@mikanikal645]

❤❤Thank you very much. This topic has been on my mind for a while, and with the clarification that you made, I will add to it that if the cylinder was moved in proportion to the offset, the defects that I mentioned would disappear. It is better than the counterweight.

[@juliosuarez7204]

Thanks for teaching like that 🎉...you guys make a big effort 😊 good episode ❤

[@michaelgoodman6734]

I would love to see how it would do with all 4 copper. And leave them sized correctly.

[@JonMadHatter]

Copper piston is interesting . Perphaps adding a copper layer to each piston top to promote better heat management preventing detonation .

[@oshkiv4684]

Aluminum already has a good heat transfer rate, I wouldn't think copper would do very much to help that

[@Athiril]

A coating to do the opposite helps, ceramic or other coatings etc

[@j5892000]

No. That's a bad idea

[@InsideOfMyOwnMind]

Very impressive making pistons like that, and they all held up better than expected for homemade pistons.

[@tjwalker997]

I love how you guys go above and beyond with Theas videos. Ide love to see 3 different Lada engines with all copper/bras and bronze pistons and have them all roughly the same weight just to see how they would compare instead of having 4 different pistons in the same engine. And maybe try to have a hardened piston wrist pin hole to stop them from ovaling out the holes. (like a piston sleeve but for the wrist pin). Either way keep up the wired and wonderful vids 👌

[@robertmont864]

Try lead Pistons, would it run at all?

[@quartzcyanis]

Copper pistons are common in some steam engines due to their low weight and resistance to moisture

[@lasskinn474]

low weight? I could see how high heat conductivity would be useful though

[@quartzcyanis]

@@lasskinn474 low weight compared to rough cast iron of the time

[@SocketSlinger]

And older air-compressors used brass sometimes..

[@user-tk4ez4gm7l]

​@@quartzcyaniscast iron has way less density than copper 😂

[@quartzcyanis]

@@SocketSlinger yup, not plastic like nowadays

[@jakubkrcma]

Seriously, the piston rod not being bent at full throttle by a piston that weighs 1.489 kg, that is MEGA impressive! The sum of the piston weights was 4.640 kg. That is about 3 times the weight of the OEM pistons! The aluminium/aluminum pistons would be "just" 1.864 kg. The standard OEM pistons are even lighter. With SUCH imbalance between individual pistons, it is an absolute miracle the engine kept working and working and working. I definitely expected a catastrophic failure VERY early.

[@user-sp4gy7ko5l]

The rods would experience less compression with heavier pistons. They would experience more tension as the piston is slowed at the top. This means the rods would be harder to bend with heavier pistons and easier to snap in half on the inlet stroke.

[@jakubkrcma]

@@user-sp4gy7ko5l Yes, the rods would experience less compression after TDC on the power stroke (because the same force accelerates a heavier piston less) but more compression around BDC on the power and intake strokes. Of course the higher tension at the end of the exhaust stroke would be the most probable cause of rod failure with heavier pistons. Anyway, the strength of the connecting rods is incredible when they can handle such wild loads.

[@user-sp4gy7ko5l]

@@jakubkrcma Ahh i get you. My thinking was flawed. Thankyou sir.

[@jakubkrcma]

​@@user-sp4gy7ko5l No, you were right - the rods would more likely snap off than bend. Although anything is possible with such a crazy setup. 😃

[@omnificent9946]

I was surprised that little Lada didn't jump around like an American lowrider!😂

[@joshuagibson2520]

This was silly. Why wouldn't you do 4 copper pistons? The balnce had to be atrocious with one of each different type of metal.

[@wrench8677]

I’d love to see some forged carbon pistons, I’m sure they wouldn’t last long but it would be an entertaining video

[@EvilCerealBoX]

I think they already did something like that.

[@wrench8677]

@@EvilCerealBoX I feel like they made carbon rods but I’m not sure

[@EvilCerealBoX]

@@wrench8677 Yeah - it was conrods. The video is called "Making and testing carbon fiber conrods"

[@kristiansomogyi744]

There are carbon rods under real development

[@otool]

I’d love a tour of the community they are in and some insight to life there.

[@michaellegg9381]

Now make 4x brass pistons and machine them to be all the same waight.. even if they are 1.2kg each then make a flywheel that's 4.8kg heavier than normal to compensate for the extra rotating mass.. I want to see if the crank and block can handle the extra mass especially at 4000rpm as the matched flywheel should let it rev up better.. copper is to soft so it will be expensive because it going to have to be all brass..

[@Yousitech]

Prediction. It’ll run.

[@marsrover001]

It's garage 54, it always runs. How well is the actual question.

[@AdamsWorlds]

Tungsten pistons ;)

[@jimsworthow531]

Great experiment; never seen before; thanks for making such an interesting project.

[@wesbuhr548]

I'm impressed. I wonder what the crank shaft bearings look like.

[@deanjohnston4806]

You should melt all four into a new alloy and make four new pistons then try those.

[@jakubkrcma]

🤣👍

[@oshkiv4684]

You'd pretty much just get a very poor aluminum bronze. With a ratio of 3:1 you'd start seeing some brittleness to them

[@themausindahaus814]

Glass Pistons?

[@TF2Scout..]

I don't think glass pistons would survive the Russian roads even if they worked

[@oscaranderson1822]

Very interesting results. I was really amazed it took full throttle as long as it did! That was a really cool experiment good job manufacturing your own Pistons. And no we know.❤

[@reapermansoldholdensixmech8675]

Love the ingenuity of these blokes, no matter how nuts their ideas seem. Thanks for making these vids.

[@mikanikal645]

The length of the journey and the speed of fall are supposed to be taken into account in the fuel equation and the electric spark ‏‪2:47‬‏

[@bobirving6052]

Good post-analysis. Primary, piston slap. Secondary, wrist-pin knock. Lada engine built strong! 👍

[@NinJaHunTa]

Only issue there was the inbalance from different mass and weight in each piston, would also be interesting to see the effects after 10,000 ks or more, not just a quick thrashing

[@dastardlyman]

great content. i love this channel. the translator guy just makes this so special

[@user-ij7wx6oy7j]

Vlad's face when it started up These guys never fail to entertain!. Those pistons were too beautiful to install!.

[@leonardhirtle3645]

A friend of mine had a Lada back in the late seventies. It was a little crude but the engine was tough and reliable. I wish I had one now.

[@MrZx9rdoug]

Now that is original content . Thank you .

[@halletts1171]

One of the craziest builds I've ever seen. Great stuff, keep it coming! Got a new Subscriber too.

[@BruceCarbonLakeriver]

Considering the play on the piston bolts this would end in a nightmare if you're going on a longer travel with that setup. Although I'm impressed how well the rods held up against this incredible additional weight. I'm sure the main bearings would have had a tough time too xD

[@hermankaiser8662]

Excellent work.

[@foxpopuli6982]

This is an excellent example of what happens when an engine is unbalanced/imbalanced You have my utmost respect for testing this idea!

[@miztatone918]

I wonder how much torque it made . I'm curious if it made more with the addition of the rotational mass.

[@mr.thebandit.2370]

make a bronze set of 4 a get a crank and rods ( because of piston bobweight ) made put stainless steel sleeves in the block ( bronze slides on stainless steel like ice on glass. ) and it should be a torque monster with all that rotating mass.

[@scottbrown9521]

Thank you for sharing this interesting.

[@Ba11leFieldAce]

With the way that engine is vibrating, combined with the mass deltas between pistons , I wouldn't be at all surprised if the pistons ovaled out the cylinders.

[@vtecro1826]

Jim Sim...this is a good add for Lada s I would never have believed this engine could stand the off balance and weight differences between cylinders and crank balance differences between all top and bottom piston balance...

[@mr.notsure9679]

I would very much enjoy hanging out with these guys. Amazing this worked.

[@Gideon_Judges6]

Even with the heavy, unbalanced pistons I imagine there's a lot of piston slap with that extra clearance as well. 😮

[@mondude9754]

Now make the most noisy enegine possible.bore out the rods( to make them fit loose), machine loose fitting pistons (or just reuse the ones from this video) and maybe even set the valve lash high. It would probably put out some interesting sounds

[@carwashadamcooper1538]

That crankshaft is a real trooper!

[@2strokecherry]

That's some amazing machinery skills making a piston

[@Subnortherner]

Interesting video! Glad you tried this.

[@jonathanjones7319]

Compliments to the machinist those look great.

[@NitroGnome]

Beryllium copper is used in extreme racing engines as valve seats and cylinder head "skulls"

[@theonlybuzz1969]

Watching garage 54 reminds me of my early driving years when I had a predecessor to the Lada, the miafiori 131 and I had fun in it. Makes me want to buy another one and do something silly with it, put a Twinkie in it and have fun with RWD… great show!

[@goclunker]

The 131 came AFTER the 124 the Lada is loosely based on. I am also pretty sure the 131 is a twin cam, where as this is a lada engine, very different from the fiat 1300-1500 engine it is based on. The polski 125p and Polonez were exact Fiat 1300-1500 engines.

[@abaddon2102]

Thank you for research , This video is one of the best research.

[@Blanchy10]

Would be interesting to measure the length of the rods.

[@Impending_Doom]

Fun fact: bronze can be hardened by striking it with a hammer or a hydraulic press, no tempering required

[@leenn5083]

copper is actually one of the alloy that is mixed with Mg and Ni in forging pistons and also makes pistons withstands heat because of its conductive properties

[@alcord2540]

Unless the copper,brass,bronze pistons are made with greater clearance in the bore,they will seize up when the engine gets hot.Thats without the engine balance problem.

[@yoppindia]

I would like to see copper coated brass piston. I know copper coating on brass is not easy, but it will give best characteristics of both.

[@dicksandballsnshit3856]

This is what I like about this channel - it's not just mindless destruction, you've created some beautiful pistons there.

[@herrkulor3771]

Hello @garage 54, Now copper plate some original Lada pistons. For comparison also try Nickel plating original pistons. If you would be the Tsar of Russia, you should also consider gold and silver plated Pistons. Let's go!