We Need to Talk About Flesh and Blood Prices

[@capo1mico]

This game is never growing out of an insanely small niche if there are no radical changes at the top of the company about reprints AND pack rarity structure. It is as simple as that.

[@GachaKLife]

Ded game soon

[@natedavis5567]

As someone that owns most of the expensive staples... I'd be over the moon to see any of them reprinted, I care about this games' health and growth more than i do about the health of my "investments". This tcg just straight up has the best gameplay on the market and I want more people to try it.

[@Mezha07]

Honestly ever since i never saw tcg's as an investment it takes the fun out of it so i'm always a bit sad if the prices are too much but having a price on the card is a good way for me and my friends do trade sometimes if i get good cards in a box and vice versa we selleach others cards in our lgs and friend group, this little practice that we do helps both our circle and the lgs we play at since we open boxes when we have money to spare and give away commons and rares sometimes

[@IndividuumNot]

amen!

[@testypresidentgaming]

same 100%. people quit cause of that alot

[@atmosph3r377]

CNC is flesh and bloods biggest enemy. No matter who I talk to, everyone seems to be very Interested in the gameplay, but the second they check the cost of cards it’s an instant Turn off

[@ossunnix]

TRUE

[@weihaigoh9734]

If the deck do not need cnc mean others cards is expensive.

[@makai4036]

For me the game is going beyond the acceptable limit, more and more stamps like cc e-strike and codex are exploding in price

[@HexForger]

Sadly this new price range acts as a deterrent for both new players and those looking to continue their journey with FaB. One, simple and undeniable fact is, this game has become very, very expensive for casual players.

[@Mezha07]

I think that's why they're really trying hard with the new sets being less powercrept without making new heroes irrelevant and Gem packs being the new standard and having the chance to contain reprints of card staples honestly i hope the gem packs are staple reprints

[@TheSingsingjai]

agreed. felt like they were giving up casual players market for competitive players anyways

[@adodo_hs6319]

Flesh and Blood has me really intrigued, but the cost barrier for a top-tier deck is seriously holding me back. I’m used to spending money on TCGs, but I’m worried about investing in a hero-like Azalea-only to see them hit Living Legend status by the time I’m ready for bigger events. Do you think I should wait until after the new set drops to see how prices and the meta shake out, or is there a better way to dive in without risking a big investment on a soon-to-be-banned hero? I’d love any tips or insights from experienced players!

[@Mezha07]

@@adodo_hs6319 that's not something to be worried about, i would say if you multiclass maybe you're gonna spend too much one things you .might not like but if you focus on either just one class or hero where you can swap out cards then it's better, it doesn't matter if they hit LL or not specialization cards can still be reused by future variants of the same character take kassai and bravo, overall just pick a class you want for me i went all in on warrior but i still built some commoner and budget blitz deck from other classes thst i wanted to try

[@HexForger]

@@adodo_hs6319 Personally I used to invest and work on builds for two-three heroes where one of them is less likely to go LL with the current meta, but these days it turns our to be a serious financial commitment. Partially the reason why I've been switching more and more to casual games, less aggressive deck builds, and sharing my decks with folks that don't care about LL status. I dunno, at this point I'm considering leaving armories behind altogether, can't afford to follow or stay ahead of the current meta any longer.

[@ossunnix]

The reason why I have been a new player since Uprising is because the game is too expensive. Being a new player for 2 years has made me realize that eventually I might need to bite the bullet but I'd just rather play cheaper games like pokemon or star wars unlimited.

[@theibault]

The way this game dies is by pricing out new players before they even begin. But also, if you play a TCG, you go in inherently knowing that you will spend stupid money on cardboard.

[@Salsaprime]

As a recent player, I was prepared to spend a few hundred, but we're in ridiculous territory right now.

[@TheDarkness213]

Agreed

[@geek593]

TCGs need to balance their options. You need to have something that's like 80% of the way there for significantly cheaper than fully optimized decks. If you don't have this option you basically put up a sign that says "no poors".

[@genericnameinc]

But it wouldn't need to be this way. Companies could totally simply have a fixed price per card and print to demand. Simply ignore all the stupid "collectible" part of the game and focus on the game, make it accessible to play. E.g. let players buy singles directly from the game company for 50c per card or something, that should more than easily cover production cost as well as pay the game design teams.

[@Hapkins-le6xf]

The reason pokemon is dirt cheap to play is because of the rarity tiers. Pokemon has eight rarity tiers but the top 4 are just alternate arts of the first 4 tiers. This allows a gamepiece to exist at 5 dollars and 100 dollars at the same time.

[@hamsandwich6685]

Right now, collectors are hardly buying and it's a player driven market with collectors setting some prices for the cards they hold hostage. LSS needs to print for player demand not cater to collector whales that may or may not buy but definitely influence the game to be more expensive for everyone. Game first, collector value later... Besides, organic collectability comes from desired goods, that naturally over time, become scarce. Not just bottlenecking production so the goods start out artificially scarce. It's damn cardboard!!

[@nyr68j]

"I personally would prefer this reality over the game being too cheap and dying away" I don't quite understand this mentality: If the game is cheap then surely more people would be tempted to try playing it boosting the size of the community, growing the game and increasing sales for the company. Whereas with a higher price point, surely that would turn away potential players and result in either the community size stagnating or shrinking. Am I misunderstanding something with that line of thinking?

[@Majiger]

For some reason, the thinking is always "Reprinting = printing with zero regard to supply/demand and making everything $1"

[@TheKaijudist]

There's a balance to strike. We need reprints but look at Battle Spirits Saga, Star Wars Destiny -- when the box prices tank and stores are left holding the bag it's brutal. Come onnnnn Gem Packs, bail us out here 😅

[@genericnameinc]

@@Majiger you could print everything at a fix price at like 50c per card and just print to demand and make enough of a profit. I love card games but the whole 'collectible' aspect of all of them needs to die. The gameplay itself is awesome, but it's held back by the stupid idea of producing things at artificial rairities. A fair game like this, with fixed prices similar to normal board games, would be so much better and instantly win over the entire market.

[@Majiger]

@@genericnameinc 100% agreed. The secondary market ruins every TCG game experience. There is zero reason for cards to be expensive EXCEPT for chase cards like Marvels/Full Arts/Judge/Golds.

[@Devinchy02]

I'm a casual player, and this situation hurts me and my friends so bad. We cannot even go to LGS to play even armories, because everyone plays CC with the most tuned decks, always. We cannot "opt out" of CC and play some other casual formats (Commoner, Clash) because our community is too small for it to have players for it. Sure we can convince one or both to play these formats sometimes with some borrowed decks, but CC is the main thing sooner or later. Precons are good to start, but you are destined to lose 90% of the time. And of course, proxies are not well seen in such competitive atmosphere: You can ask someone to give you the Fyendal for the day, but you are destined to buy it one way of another if you wanna keep up. Also, the fear for bans is real. In other games, if they ban you a 20 dollars playset of something, its an oof, but you can go on with your life. I won't buy my CnC playset just to see it banned a month later and 200 euros of my wallet gone for nothing. Nope.

[@HebetotheHebe]

There are heros that perform well that don't play cnc and fyendal. I think you can absolutely play this game at armory level with like 200€ investment, which is okay imo. You can play a tournament viserai for around that price, you just won't have the most flex version of each card.

[@AVAUTV]

I own all of these cards and would gladly give them to any of my locals for any armory or tournament they need, no matter if I have to take them out of my deck for that day. Id rather do that than see them leave the game.

[@Patrick-ih2bc]

I hope someone from LSS reads @devinchy02 comment. Very well summarized the common issues that new and even not-so-new players will face around the world.

[@Kaloraan]

Just agree to run proxies! If your locals all agree, no big deal.

[@TheDarkness213]

I feel you on the oops we just banned this hyper expensive card. One of the many reasons I quit magic.

[@wildcardalbedo]

I've been wanting to hop back in with The Hunted, but seeing the price of all of the EXISTING Assassin pieces without any consideration for any of the new stuff, Chaos or otherwise, has made me call it off and just look through the window longingly at new Arakni, knowing damn well that I'd have to sell a kidney to even have a PRAYER of affording that deck. I certainly don't expect every card to be 25 cents, but needing to get playset after playset of $30 cards, PLUS multiple pieces of $50+ equipment makes FaB feel like a game for the 1%, and not for the average person.

[@Blutyr8]

I don't think LSS (or any other company for that matter) should worry about some people being angry/sad/scammed when a high cost staple card is reprinted. It doesn't make sense to me at all. Those people bought those cards because they could afford it, they still have them, they still play with them. Even so, the high sought after cards should just be reprinted as white boarded, so the original ones keep their value - everyone is happy. I personally stopped playing MTG for the sole reason of the game procedurally getting more and more expensive even in casual formats such as Commander, so i switched to FaB. Don't get me wrong, i don't regret it for a second, however i am worried that i won't be able to build any new decks without spending a small fortune for it... I think that they absolutely NEED TO start reprinting staples such as C&C, Tunic, ES, etc. for the game to keep growing in player base.

[@qianbang_]

agree. price drop because of reprints is reasonable unlike price drop because of bans

[@chappos8318]

As someone who has spent the money to travel internationally multiple times for this game and who owns most of these staples, I'd love to see them reprinted. I own a few competitive decks across different classes but it's gotten to the point where any time something new is at the top of the meta that isn't covered by the cards I already own it's simply not justifiable for me to buy in. I've also been trying to get more friends into the game but when they inevitably ask about the cost for a fully competitive deck I can't give them an honest answer that it's a reasonable price. The pay wall has simply become too high.

[@tthien93]

The fact that many generic cards are still best in class is still a huge issue for this game. There should be class-specific alternatives to many of these majestics to help lower the prices of these bonkers generic cards.

[@Solaxia]

that makes sense until you realize those classes would just have twice as many copies of said powerful card, the generic + class specific one

[@a_sweetroll1627]

LSS could you know, add a small text where it can't be in the same deck with CnC, Estrike, etc or outright ban/limit powerful generic majestics to one copy .

[@TheDarkness213]

So classes do have similar cards. Looking at you plow under. But plow is a talent specific cnc albeit weaker but similar. That being said we still need reprints.

[@RobynRenarde]

God just.... we need reprints so badly in this game. The cost of this game is what is keeping me away from it.

[@th1nkz661]

me2

[@cyrilpit3505]

What is keeping you away is that you cannot go to an event with a casual deck and not get destroyed. As soon as a casual format will be here, no need for CNC, codex and other stuff. At compétitive level, all tcg are expensive.

[@Steamedhams578]

@@cyrilpit3505 Flesh and blood and Yugioh are the only games where the most popular format have 1000$ decks winning events. Not all tcg are that expensive to compete in that's just false. Digimon, One Piece and Lorcana are all under 400$ for the best decks. Also Pokemon is right there. Having multiple formats for different audiences is a good thing but it doesn't actually solve the main problem.

[@danielcruz4960]

​@cyrilpit3505 not really cnc is the only card that can target arsenal without restrictions and with an upside be it for fun or competition. not having CnC just makes the deck less functional and even in mtg if you are playing a fun deck with almost 0 chances of winning you do add cards that help you get to that 1% chance of playing the dumb combo, that is the type of card CnC if you need a 80+$ card to play a bad deck then of course new players won't try the game

[@HexForger]

@@cyrilpit3505 That too of course, but even in the casual domain quite a few FAB's Rare (not to mention higher rarity) cards that previously were affordable and solid choices for casual builds, have become substantially more expensive. A year ago I spent about $35 to build Iyslander deck that was fun and performed well (wouldn't even bother to bring it to a competitive event), and the value of the deck has now apparently quadrupled. Sure, it's nice it holds more value now, but that doesn't exactly help my pals who would never consider spending even half of that value on any deck. Some of us are parents, with lot of various spendings and bills to pay, mortgages, none of us can justify spending $120 for a kitchen deck.

[@davidfinstein9911]

I am a fully grown adult with a job who pays taxes and I cannot afford this game. Getting a playset of CNC or something would be *more than half my paycheck* on any given week. I played magic for ten years, I'm no stranger to dropping money on cardboard. But Flesh and Blood is so expensive it actually kind of offends me. I would not be able to play at all if my local scene didn't allow proxies, and if I wanted to go to a bigger event I would have to borrow cards. It's okay for a game to have *a* format for long established players with meta decks priced at over $1000. But it is completely outrageous for the *main competitive format* to cost over $1000 to play. I'm gonna disagree with your point about CNC being replaceable in the decks that run it. Sure there are other cards with disruptive on hit effects at a similar rate, but the fact that CNC prevents defense reactions is huge. No other disruptive card that would take up a similar deck slot has an evasive effect stapled to it. Maybe if your local meta is way more casual than mine is you wouldn't need it. But my store is pretty competitive, and I'm under the impression that that tends to be the case with FAB locals. The gameplay of FAB is fantastic, but I think its price is a much bigger problem than people seem to be giving it credit for.

[@IndividuumNot]

modern magic is just as expensive if not even more expensive. the speed at which decks get dethroned is also way higher.

[@MikeKing001]

​@@IndividuumNotno. You can build a tier 1 standard deck for 200 bucks. Commander is expensive, but standard is cheap.

[@thehatcaseonyoutube]

​@@MikeKing001modern is a format

[@Wilshiire2139]

its insane how expensive cards have become. If the game is growing, LSS needs to print more of the older chase cards to put downward pressure on the price. If prices continue to increase it will disincentivize building new decks and buying new product.

[@dasyog4095]

An issue you did not mention is that the rare and common cardpool is becoming more and more worthless. If you look at the uprising heroes that topped worlds 2023, most of them were using mainly rare and commons and only 15 to 20 majestics, and among these Ms half of them would be sideboard cards and C&C/estrikes that don't define the gameplay of the hero. Now decks require 30-40 majestics and most of them are mainboard. The issue is also that rare and common are kept very weak, maybe in order to balance limited, and that LSS now prints the CC cards mostly as Majestics. If you have a group of players and each one buys a box of uprising, everyone of them can trade all their cards to get the common and rare for one hero, trade their majestics and ends with a decent deck that plays as the hero is intended to play. It's not possible anymore. If you buy a box of the latest sets, you get only 7 Majestics that are worth trading for and 200+ of unplayable non recyclable trash. More good rares and commons and less zero to fifty would come a long way to bring the cost down.

[@saint3614]

Gonna be honest- And this may be an unpopular view- But I don't even care if stores and collectors get "hosed", even having just bought a C&C playset- I care about getting new players and growing the community. At least in my area, it's slowly, but surely, dying. Players > money-makers. Always.

[@GravityI]

Sadly they need to satisfy the stores, otherwise they will stop buying product and invest in more lucrative games, and no product means no events which might lead to no community at all.

[@saint3614]

@@GravityI Can the stores not just sell sealed product? Stores cracking product to sell singles is already extremely sussy to me, tbh.

[@jmitchell7364]

I am willing to spend a reasonable amount on a deck for any TCG. But, $1000 is to high to play any game. The cost is not even a hurdle but, a wall.

[@BunnymanGaming]

The biggest problem is that this will take probably over a year to solve but the game is experiencing massive growth right now and the insane cost of decks atm may limit how much that growth can reach

[@gerharddamm5933]

Funny, I just got an armory deck and been annoyed at how expensive it is to upgrade it even mildly… and then this video comes up. Does anyone bring this up to LSS? ALSO PLEASE PEOPLE STOP TELLING PLAYERS TO JUST PLAY OTHER FORMATS! THEY DONT EXIST IN 99% OF LGSs! PEOPLE ONLY PLAY CC!

[@Capomellow]

It would be nice if LSS would give out more prizing to stores who did more than CC events. They gave that one out for UPF like a year ago and stopped. I feel like if they gave more prizing more people would actually give them a try but instead most people want to play with the expensive cards they have bought which I also understand.

[@Salsaprime]

@@Capomellow Yeah, I do think this a lowkey solution. Pushing prizing for Commoner/Clash. We have an influx of new players at my LGS, myself included, and we're trying to push a Clash night to keep new players interested, but we keep running into the issue of prizing. If LSS would allow Gem packs to be used for it, that could be the solve. Players want more Gem packs? Cool, then play CC and Clash. You can play your expensive cards one night, and then help the new players on the cheaper playfield another night.

[@Mezha07]

Personally out of all the armory decks boltyn is probably the best one in my opinion out of pure value and upgrades alone it has 3 sinks and 3 snatch i don't use them on the deck but these 2 card as a generic staple is decent enough to be played in my ira cc deck, and i just upgraded boltyn by getting the usual, beacon, cc, Soul bound and 2 sets of bannerets so far i think aside from the armory deck cost I haven't exceeded the 100 usd mark 50-60$, my next upgrades would probably be A set of Estrike but aside from that depending on who you want to play the prices definitely varies i'm jappy with where boltyn is at and i just hope the new majestic from xhunted warcry kf bellona would'nt be too expensive as a single

[@Pighway]

I just simply lose from not buying expensive cards.

[@Zarfin]

In other ways you win, because you keep your money

[@fabledacademy]

@@Zarfin Best comment I have read so far

[@fabledacademy]

The sad reality for FAB is that there are as good as no budget options to go to one of the big tournaments (BH, Callings and beyond) and win it. And even at the local level I hear players again and again telling that it get's impossible to win without buying into the big meat. You have to decide for yourself, but for me it is not worth it to buy a 1500€ FAB Deck to win my local Armory. That's why I play my 150€ Kayo Deck and win 2 out of 4 games on average. Will I win an Armory with my 150€ Kayo Deck one day? I doubt it honestly. Will I still play FAB this year? Totally. We should not only loot at the cost to win in FAB from the view of a player who will not start to play FAB, but the ones who start to play it without having the money. How many players are there who have a 2000€ FAB collection to play with but don't have 2000€ sitting in their bank account to cover an emergency? Not many you would think. I assume there are more than we want because I even was one of them. Only that I had like way more than the 2000€ difference between cards and savings. I was also in debt but that's another thing. And if you are like me here are three things that helped me get out of it: 1. Start to play Draft and Sealed as your main format 2. Limit yourself to a budget for CC and Blitz (for me that was 150€ for my Kayo Deck) 3. Save the money that you don't spend on cards anymore Oh and most importantly: appreciate the people, the good game and thanks for the great work Scott!

[@MrChippsXYZ]

... For 9 cards. Had me busting up. I tell this to my wife all the time when she says just to go ahead and buy the decks i want. I have to remind myself that 9 pieces of cardboard are worth upwards of 900$

[@akizoraa]

i was really getting into flesh and blood but after trying to build my first deck, the high prices drove me away and i’ve quit the game. had a fun time but i won’t be getting further into it. the game is too expensive and expensive generics is the biggest problem. sure, flesh and blood does not command the same IP power that pokémon does but it has amazing art - more chase alt art cards and premium product is the answer here. the most basic versions of cards should be cheap, maybe not as cheap as pokémon, but they should be far far cheaper than they are now and they should focus the value in alternate versions of popular cards.

[@joeflat]

I got the first strike decks a few weeks back and have now gotten 2 friends and 3 family members pretty stoked about the game..... But good hell the barrier to entry for a real deck is absurd, we're all DYING to be able to build out a CC deck around our favorite heroes we've been looking at but it's just too expensive 😢

[@Nathaniel_theClashGuy]

try out Clash first so you can play for cheap but a much better experience than the out of the box blitz decks. I would then move into CC after that.

[@rvdpadt]

if you're starting at the kitchen table... nothing wrong with hitting up the local print shop for some high quality proxy prints. You can have your 1k+ deck for about 30 dollars :) just cut the corners nicely and sleeve up

[@Salsaprime]

Another plus +1 for Clash until prices come down.

[@TheDarkness213]

​@@rvdpadtthis person knows the real talk

[@hamsandwich6685]

If you want to make a deal with a local sign shop, they can probably print and cut proxy stickers that you stick over top of tokens or mtg cards. It's pretty cheap and provides really nice proxies.

[@ricks4348]

My IRA deck without spring tunic without command & Conquer and without some of the expensive sideboard cards is still $450

[@worldofbettermagic5969]

At one point we had 20+ players at our armory events and now its down to maybe 6. The prices are just to much for people to want to continue. When we do get new players our locals loan them a cc deck and they love it, excited to get into a new game but they run off as soon as they look to build a deck and its 700 for a few staples. As a player and collector I hope they reprint it all tomorrow.

[@toddd3412]

Every time I've mentioned how expensive this game is I've had multiple FAB players jump on me to tell me I am wrong there are plenty of budget decks that can win big events for under 100 dollars.

[@珍ぽ子さん]

Yeah alot of people in this game defend lss and the game to death even when they release shit products or make anti consumer choices, one of the downsides of the fab community.

[@Ridley_Prime]

Fyendals spring tunic is the hydrogen bomb to blossom of springs coughing baby. Truly i think decreasing demand for competitive staples by adding interesting alternatives in addition to reprints would really help the game out.

[@damianduffy193]

This game had a huge following my community for a period of time, but as of now is virtually dead because of new players not joining due to the price. I hope they make the Gem packs reprints for all staples in the long run as I think it's the easiest way to monitor the supply. Plus I think you'd see a large influx of new players attending armories trying to pull that tunic or cnc etc.

[@GoofyGooberrr]

They didn't put any staples.

[@LoneWolfInsane]

equating growing card prices to the growth of the game is incredibly stupid., because the logic of "supply and demand" also works in the exact opposite way. The card prices can also just rise because less packs are being produced or opened, due to the player base being uninterested in buying sets, where all the good cards only have a miniscule pull rate, thanks to them only being available in high rarities. Which then feeds even more in to the price of the good cards because the players would rather just buy a few singles then packs of just mostly filler.

[@IndividuumNot]

"incredible stupid" is very harsh. theres enough evidence of boxes being bought and opened. events and new players and so on. its pretty clear what you mentioned isnt the case at all.

[@qianbang_]

it's kinda true. Most pull rates are so bad that not many people willing to crack boxes.

[@TheFoxlover93]

When I was getting more into FaB, I definitely felt the "cant get cards" struggle. Where I live, I cant just go to my LGS and be like "I want XYZ FaB cards", I had to go online and had to go to multiple sites just to get what I wanted, and while the "skip the expensive stuff" was an option, some of the cards - as mentioned - were cheap enough that you get into the game for a couple 100$ and you just had to tune your playstyle and play well. The biggest barrier WAS the fact I can't just go into any LGS and get singles for FaB, not where I live at least. And wwhile I didn't end up playing the deck/hero I wanted (was told Uzuri was "too complex", despite me playing EDH so learning "the stack" would be easier" for me probably), I got to play Bravo and enjoyed the "hit big" sort of style of it while also having a good defense. For where I live, popularity is also rough. I like the game but the "diversity" unlike EDH or the variance made it hard to enjoy the game. It was always CC or nothing - I don't plan to go to high powered events or anything so I just wanted to learn the game or try it out and yet it felt like you only play competitive and nothing else. All of the people I played with were super cool and helped lend me L's they had if they weren't playing that deck (I was playing Fai for a bit and people would lend me Furnace, Shukos, MoM ect), the fact that I would play the same people playing the same deck felt much more like what I imagine Modern to be and...that just wasn't for me. I still have my Bravo deck and I'm sure if I picked it up and found another guardian I'd love I might enjoy the game again, the barrier of cost, availability AND just the popularity of it in my area made it hard to keep up with the game. I think the game is awesome and the mechanics are pretty easy and straightforward, along with the fact that your cards are ALWAYS cards for SOMETHING makes FaB so unique and enjoyable. At the end of the day though (for me), the fact that I can hold up an EDH deck and yell "who wants to play EDH" vs "Who wants to play FaB" is too great of a gap

[@SparkSign]

Flesh and Blood is the second most expensive TCG in play right now. The only thing that is more expensive is Modern format MTG, but that doesn't hurt MTG at all because commander is by far their most popular format; at this point it is almost the whole game, much to the dismay of MTG competitive players. The biggest problem is that when you turn to someone at a game store and go "Want to play Flesh and Blood", the first and really only thing they know about the game is that it is too expensive for them. That needs to change for the game to have more staying power, in my opinion.

[@maigra]

FAB just need a holiday set to reprint stamples with different artwork. 5 anniversary was a great place for that, but was wasted on just Ira marvel and more pandering to Japan. Talking about Japan, they just got another reprint set.

[@joaquinaldoney1625]

I appreciate some of the main points raised in the video, but I think it's a bit out of touch with the reality of new players, specially out of North America, where availability of both sealed product and singles is still extremely limited. The point that surprised me the most was saying that $120 for a tunic is fair. It could easily cost half as much and lss would still be notably profitable

[@WashedHands223]

For reference the cost of a new tire is about $50-$60. When the cost of a single cards gets to be that of if not more than parts for my vehicle it’s not ok. If it was for example a collectors variety of tunic maybe I could see it. But for the default play piece? Nah.

[@Tom-bb3fm]

Man not even magic staples cost that much, and you want to make me spend double the price of a Ocelot Pride for a game that has a sliver of the playerbase? Like wtf man. For 120 I can buy a reserved list card which is a safer long term investment

[@Patrick-ih2bc]

Very important video, and I couldn't agree more with the statements! Here are a couple of my thoughts: - reprints in the expansion slot are the way forward, but it will take time to address the issue. - in the short term, shift the focus of low-tier events such as skirmishes to include/promote the commoner format. - in our community, we unofficially allow proxies due to the fact that none of our LGS is selling FaB singles. This has tremendously helped people who tried the game at a pre-release or got a cc deck to stick around. - the LL format has proven to be unsuccessful in our community due to the financial burden of entry, with armories and even skirmishes being cancelled

[@modernman9544]

Potential solutions? why dont they just make their rarity system be like every other games? like the fact they get away with rares being only 1 in 4 packs is mind boggling and complete BS, the prices are only this way because of the artificial scarcity LSS places on them and Legends only being one per case too when even yugioh does 1 secret rare a box.

[@SynthgirlBulge]

Yes yes definitely we all know modern in mtg is so incredibly successful because of how expensive it is. Especially standard too. The healthy market and high price of entry just keeps bringing in new players. Lmao Edit: also yes of fucking course I would buy boxes even if the cards were cheap. You said yourself that the value comes from playability. I buy boxes as a player TO GET CARDS TO PLAY. Not to sell them

[@珍ぽ子さん]

Reprints in expansion slot is literally what they did the first set that had exp slots, then they just.. stopped... why?

[@tabletoppaint6870]

I would love to play F&B but its expensive af

[@DiceCommando]

Another great video, I truly appreciate the dual-argument approach. Cheers!

[@zoshk]

I went to a LGS hosted event teaching fab, liked it, went to a pre-release. Got Uzuri and was curious so I looked up a deck list. A set of command and conquer costs more than my most expensive commander deck. The list I found is close to all my commander decks. I understand that's casual commander decks vs a competitive deck in a different game but the price is still shocking. It's only with a good amount of mtg's 2025 releases not appealing to me that I'm looking at fab again. I understand the comparison of prices to competitive decks in other tcgs (though I think there are issues with that comparison too) but that really keeps curious casual players out.

[@RetroMaticGamer]

Reprints, sure, but also viable budget alternatives. There are a few budget alternatives for Tunic (Cross Strap, Deep Blue, etc.) but what card could make a player happy running it instead of E-strike? It's one thing to reward stores for selling cards, but if you price the competitive player base out of the game, thus preventing its growth, who's left to buy the cards and keep their value high? They need to print more equipment and generic cards at rare & common level that don't suck so players can feel like they can compete on a lower budget. And I don't want to see a cycling format, but they may need to consider banning those top staples or shifting pro play to a new format where they aren't legal, like Magic did when Moxes and Black Lotus became barriers to entry in 1994. Commoner has thus far failed to launch; if LSS wants the game to grow, they need to make the game more approachable.

[@Capomellow]

For real though, why couldn't the Emissaries from MST be each part of E-strike? Why did they need to be 4 attack, block 2, and "you may bottom a card for an effect". Make the M the choice of all 3 options but the rare just one option. It would be such a good cheap alternative but I doubt it would become main deck for anyone already running E-Strike. Not to mention half the time the alternative options are just bad because they block 2 instead of 3. Wreck Havok would probably be a decent budget alternative for CNC, most of the time you play CnC you're trying to snipe a D-react in arsenal anyways but it only blocks for 2! In a game of inches these much worse alternatives make up a mile of difference.

[@squeaks5635]

Estrike is easy to replace. Everyone forgets that Estrike doesn't cost 0. 2 easy budget options for a red 7 power block 3 Raging Onslaught and Battlfront Bastion, and if you are using the go again mode more often, Bingo is a 5 power block 3 that does either modes, and Rabble is often just better than estrike since it does just cost 0.

[@Capomellow]

@@squeaks5635 it's a hand fixer though in case you draw too many reds and can't pay for your normally expensive curve. Also the opponent choose on hit for Bingo, so if you're empty handed giving go again means much less than an extra card vs denying go again with 3 cards in hand. Rabble only really works in low cost curves. I guess most of my use cases come from guardians though.

[@quietmind42]

110% agree! A game tuned for the competitive scene can't continue to grow at these prices. One additional idea would be adding new cards that can fulfill the same functions as the expensive ones, and limit them to one class or talent. It's the generic staples that are the big problems.

[@TheDarkness213]

That just makes those classes/talents way too overpowered

[@AbsoLucian]

Lowering the price of cards is also good for the stores. If the cards are cheaper that means more players can get into the exciting and fun new game and will be able to buy more product

[@Sevein89]

Thankfully the guys at my FLGS told me to get the kayo deck and some blood rush bellows and I'd have a semi-competitive deck. I win at least 2 games every CC so I am happy.

[@morzathoth919]

I've always liked TCGs, in theory. I've tried a lot of them, Yugioh, Pokemon, Magic, Hearthstone, hell I even played Duel Masters as a kid (RIP Duel Masters), I tried One Piece lately. None of them stuck with me like Flesh and Blood does. So of course it has to be the fuck off expensive one. Honestly, if I didn't find the game kind of bland I would probably have stuck with One Piece, it's a lot cheaper with most of the expensive cards being alt-art. Of course I get that LSS are a pretty small company compared to The Pokemon Company and Bandai who both have more money than god and can accept smaller profit margins, but I do wish that the stuff that was actually expensive was things like the Legendaries, Marvels and Fables and not the Majestics. I'm sticking with the game though, It's too damn fun.

[@brexcubo6766]

Fab is the best game i ever played gameplay wise. I cannot justify playing it anymore tho. I had to switch to altered which in europe is thriving and prices are very low with limitations on how many rares and uniques people can put in their decks

[@brexcubo6766]

Honestly, just upping the majestic pull rates from boxes is necessary. Every deck needs way more majestic than when the game started.

[@BerGODmo]

When I remember this TCG exists and how it might be fun.. well the prices tell me nevermind.

[@drewwirsching3865]

I play loads of blitz and commoner for this exact reason. But i am getting what i need for CC slowly and eventually i will have what I need.

[@NathanAtkinson590]

If FaB wants more people, it needs more reprints. This coming from a collector.

[@Capomellow]

Glad you're making this video, we need more content creators putting pressure on LSS. This game is growing and there is not enough old product for the new players especially for how relevant they are becoming. If these GEM packs are the solution I really hope these Ms are at a decent rate.

[@claudiubota646]

19:50 You claim that nobody plays Pokemon. With one Google search, I find on the first link that in the months of November+December, there are 5 events that go beyond 1000+ players (not counting the Japanese events), so this argument falls flat. The argument that "keeping majestic cards up in price to keep the game up so that people continue to buy packs" is irrelevant, when the most important majestics people need to buy are CNC and Estrike, cards with immense prices that serve no purpose not to increase their supply. The argument that people are still going to buy Outsider packs in the Lord's 2025, so it is too early to reprint Warmonger / Codex is funny, no person who respects himself is going to do that. If Outsiders is still on the shelf, is because the LSS hopes that somebody is dumb enough to pay for a pack. This entire video you talk with a condescending tone towards the people that want reprints to all generic cards. No, not all of us want all the cards to be 5 euro, but reducing the price of a 100$ to 60$ is, IMO, crucial. Your argument that "because many cards are out of stock, that means there is a lot of demand", this is only speculation. You have no proof that this is not because of scalpers or collectors (because yes, fab is the only game in which collectors search for the expensive, not necessarily for the alt artwork). The argument of the comments that "every competitive setting of every Tcg is expensive" is irrelevant, because you can buy an entire meta deck of standard Mtg/ Lorcana/One Piece for the price of a codex playset. The point is that it is too much in terms of how costly this game is, considering the competition.

[@minokalu1682]

We keep telling this shit to you people but you just go "if you buy the staples the next deck is cheap!" Brother the first deck is costing me my mortgage and my first born child! I dont have time to think of the next deck

[@lokisrun]

I just rejoined FaB a couple of months ago, went to my first Armoury at the end of last year and I'm already considering quitting again because the prices are out of control. Things are so much worse now than when I left a couple of years ago and there's no sign of it getting any better. I've made an absolute budget version of the Jarl deck to run because I think the hero is pretty cool, but now in order for me to make that deck even 1% or 2% percent better, I'm looking at probably £500 - £600 further spend and that still won't even be optimal (I am aware that optimal Jarl is not known yet). So my route to start itirating stronger versions of this hero is extremely prohibitive. FaB is such a fun game but when a deck for your bog standard format costs as much or more than a Modern deck for Magic then something is rotten somewhere.

[@squeaks5635]

Why would you ever spend that much money to make a 1% or 2% win increase. Budget Jarl is cheap its just the Armory Deck no changes. Nothing wrong with playing it the way it comes. It still is competitive. The problem for new players is experience, This game takes time to learn to play competitively and until you put in the time you will lose most games. Nothing wrong with that, just play the game.

[@lokisrun]

@@squeaks5635 I wouldn't spend that much, that's the point? I feel like you've completely misunderstood me

[@squeaks5635]

@@lokisrun you said "I am already considering quitting again because prices are out of control" There is nothing wrong with playing a deck that doesn't win as often as the most expensive build.

[@lokisrun]

@@squeaks5635 Right, because I don't have a reasonably affordable route to improve my deck over time, for me, improving a deck is one of the things I enjoy most about card games, but because of the absurd prices on the secondary market over the last year, improving the deck isn't open to me currently. I don't understand what your disagreement is with me to be honest.

[@alexnas9634]

im sorry but i have been playing TCG for 30+ years Flesh and Blood is a GREAT game but WAY WAY WAY WAY too expensive, why should i pay 500$ for Equipment pieces then another 200-400$ for certain cards for your deck spending at least 800$+, Pokemon i can spend 100$ and get a highly playable and meta competitive deck to play

[@Tom-bb3fm]

Even talking about newer games, One Piece is new, It's growing and thriving and the decks range from 100$ to 300$ max, That's how you attract new players from older tcgs like Yugioh or Magic

[@skurai]

Is a big barrier to entry. My local community is struggling to grow because of it.

[@crayyonnyadrav4055]

I believe that the GEM packs are a part of the solution here. They can put cards like Codex of Frailty, CnC, E-Strike etc in here and it would, most probably, not crash the market too much while giving players real reasons to care about the Armory level play since you can open a reprint card that is still 20+ $ in value.

[@TheDarkness213]

I fear that would make armories too competitive especially if that LGS does performance based prizing. Which i believe gem packs in general will incentivize. Tho yes it remains that gem packs are a great way for reprints.

[@coldphnx7636]

​@@TheDarkness213Correct me I'm wrong but I believe LSS mentioned that GEM packs will not be a performance based reward at armouries due to that very reason

[@slotholopolis2314]

I came to FaB from Pokemon so the price was definitely a shocker lol. Unluckily for me, FaB is just a better game in every way i care about so there's no looking back.

[@CaptDoobs]

I asked about this game and my local card shop told me to steer quite far from it, that it's a dying game with a small player base with cards that cost way too much.

[@xKarbx9999]

The first two statements are downright false. The third statement is valid.

[@MikeKing001]

​​@@xKarbx9999magic, pokemon, yugioh the big 3. I'd be willing to say that this game is less then 1% of the size of any of those 3. What is small to you?

[@kevin9783]

I am new player from the Jarl armory and while I really like the game. The price for upgrades is actually ridiculous. A set of 3 C&C is $300 and it's a staple. Either ban it, reprint it,or make similar cards.

[@stigmurder99]

Just play Frost Fang instead, it's better half the time anyways

[@IndividuumNot]

prices are crazy. availabilty is also horrible for me. iam from germany and on some majestics/staples theres like 3-5 cards listed on cardmarket (kind of our tcgplayer). price trend could be 15. one is listed for 19 and the next listing will be 30. makes getting a deck together really rough. its awesome that the game got so many new players but the shortage of supply becomes increasingly problematic

[@redwolf92]

of course the investor bros are trying to pull an Alpha Investment on this IP too.

[@qianbang_]

it's too expensive. it's a cardboard game. it shouldn't be this expensive. even the sealed products are expensive to new players. like you can get MTG starter decks for real cheap and start playing but armory decks are like commander precon prices and you can't even buy blitz cheaply as you need to buy whole collection for the set

[@ABCDEFGHIJKLMNOPQRSTUVWX-fk7ux]

The amount of volume is important when looking at sales on tcgplayer. While some cards can be bought out, there may not have been as many listings in the first place. Compared to games like yugioh and mtg, a fab card fully sold out might equate to 50 players getting their playsets. In mtg, fully sold out means hundreds of players getting their playsets. The volume in fab cards is relatively low in the first place. So while cards being bought out is a sign of card demand, don't make a mistake of overestimating card demand.

[@mojeime3]

Man I'm just so happy that my lgs allows proxies on armories. I've always loved card games and pulling expensive packs but it gets a bit rediculous when 10 pieces of cardboard cost as much as a gaming PC. I don't want to spend hundreds just to be able to compete.

[@matthewtompkins4338]

Careful where you say this as Armories are official events and proxies aren’t allowed. I doubt anyone will be reporting your store to LSS over a KZbin comment but it’s worth staying safe and protecting your spaces

[@Fearior]

1;58 Sure, stopped watching here m8 - game is too expensive and there is no reason for this. Card games are not an investments and never should have been.

[@danhtran5088]

I play Warhammer, you can't reasonably convince me to spend thousands of dollars on a deck when I can just buy an entire brand new set of models.

[@jeremygardner3183]

Then you can’t play Flesh and Blood.

[@danhtran5088]

@jeremygardner3183 it is what it is

[@GunnerGaming00110]

I play both 😂

[@Tuffbunny13]

I don't play FaB and have been curious about it, but seeing the prices of staples for decks being this high is definitely a turn off. I will slightly defend Pokemon in saying that the general value is all in the alternate art treatments vs base printings (you can easily build any Tier1 deck under 100$ CAD), but its online presence usually is stronger for the collectors and pack openers. (Still way up there in playing popularity compared to other TCGs)

[@stigmurder99]

Pokemon is made for kids, Flesh and Blood is made for adults

[@akumatogashi]

​@@stigmurder99 No, Pokemon is not made for kids. Sure, kids play it as well, but the vast majority of the playerbase are adults. The tournaments are huge with big prize pools.

[@11guitarbro]

100 % agree tunic was a BL expansion slot and was great reprint and now all tunics STILL have value

[@hao5878]

I think putting meta relevant cards in the GEM packs will be interesting. LSS can tweak the pull rate so the price won't crash, and new players who go to armories have a chance to get their hands on powerful cards. But just as you said, we haven't got much info yet. Great video on this topic❤

[@Fr0stbite1801]

Outsider's perspective here: it's definitely not doing the game any favors for bringing interested newbies like me on board. People bringing their favorite commander in toploaders isn't too unusual for EDH, but when I heard that some FaB players bring several cards in toploaders and even graded cards to play, I looked it up and was shocked to find that several meta cards cost hundreds to a thousand dollars. Sure increasing market prices is an encouraging sign of growth for the game, but it's ironically a deterrent too. I'm interested in getting into FaB one of these days, but this whole situation doesn't make me wanna buy into the game on paper, it makes me wanna learn the rules then just stick to talishar or something. This is the same reason I don't play standard or modern but love pauper.

[@xKarbx9999]

In all fairness, if the game has been out for 5 years and you're kinda sorta interested in learning the rules but haven't done it yet, are you really that interested in it? There are no single cards whose lowest price is a thousand dollars. Yes, Sloop is absolutely right that there are some key cards that are in desperate need of a reprint and the game is too expensive. But people always come out of the woodwork every so often saying THIS IS WHY I CAN'T GET INTO FAB!!! and I just don't believe them if they haven't learned to play it yet.

[@Fr0stbite1801]

@xKarbx9999 I will admit that this is on me, my interest in tabletop games and tcgs have been on and off through the years due to life stuff, and this comment actually got me watching a tutorial video (if you got any recs for beginner guides please do tell me). But, you gotta admit that this whole situation is sore spot for new players regardless. As an outsider I don't know about the game's rarity systems or pull rates or how sets work, but this reputation surrounding the game's price is not a good look.

[@xKarbx9999]

@@Fr0stbite1801 For sure, there are a lot of great things about getting into FAB right now like Armory decks, but what the video talks about and what you mention above about specific cards being prohibitively expensive are fair criticisms. I highly recommend this video from MajiinBae!: kzbin.info/www/bejne/bojOaGuonbGXoqM

[@hotbreadloaf6009]

Availability is soooo bad in my area. I haven’t been able to play at all because I have no way to get the cards I need. Locals only have commons and don’t open boxes… armories have become a race to see who gets the cards they need first.

[@Salsaprime]

As a new player that just bought into Tunic, CnC, E-Strike, and a bunch of other generics, reprint them into the ground. The price is too damn high. I wouldn't have started playing the game if I didn't get a Christmas bonus that took a lot of the sting out, lol.

[@Elmachtronic]

After Worlds in Barcelona i needed to drop Flesh and Blood. Even when judging events i couldn't afford buying new and new cards when my old hero rotated. Dromai was my last deck and i couldn't afford rebuing for engima. Even if i had invite for Nationals i couldn't get new deck to play it. Currently i am trying to convice myself to sell all of those cards i have.

[@lxmueller2]

I am currently hoping GEM packs help solve this issue a little by reprinting cards like Codex of Frailty in the one because we are in a set with Assassin. Command and Conquer could become an almost evergreen inclusion that could almost always be in the pool for Gem Packs.

[@Razorcrest999]

I’m very hopeful that GEM packs and mastery sets will really help us with some reprints themed to that specific pack and/or set whether they are talented/classed or generic

[@ricks4348]

Problem is only people who make regular armories can get those gems packs us people who have to work can't attend enough.

[@Razorcrest999]

@ that’s true, but it means that more people will be drawn to going to armories so more packs will be opened and more staples will enter the market. It’s not a perfect solution

[@prodigal99]

Dang, this is the first vid I see and I have already given up any interest I had in the game.

[@michaeltreon4034]

Really hope we get some of these staples in the upcoming GEM packs

[@Lixeffect]

@11:42 Its funny you make this point while Art of War is in the background.... yknow.... the card that got banned that immediately sent its price into the floor - which is also a reason the "non rotating" argument for card prices isn't as strong as some people say it is. Another benefit to reprinting things in the expansion slot is that it doesn’t affect the draft/limited experience of the set as now they are in the back slot. And its not like the expansion slot pull rates are all the same either. They did it with Surgical Extraction into DTD where they seeded it in such a way that combined with the print run in Outsiders it was around about as much as intended... so even in the expansion slot they can decide to half print if they feel it required.

[@Sloopdoop]

Exactly my point. Even at the regular rate of the Expansion Slot pulls, I don't see reprints destroying the price of cards, just bringing them down a notch. Hell, let's be real. Even if CnC went to $30-40 on a reprint, it would climb back up over the course of 6-12 months (just like Tunic always does)

[@TheDarkness213]

I got into the game during Bright Lights and have kicked myself for not grabbing a EVO tunic when it was cheap.

[@KoalaXS]

'Buying in Canada is hard and we have to buy from the US sometimes" you have my condolences that exchange rate is a killer. 😢

[@mitchhamrick916]

The earth staples being so procey is annoying. I want them for my verdance deck but it was cheaper to put Aurora together (budget version)

[@AllmightyLoki]

This. For the love of god, if a card is needed for two of the set's heroes, don't make it even more rare. I know more people who pulled Marvels and Ls than I know people who pulled a Felling. It's riddiculous.

[@Zarfin]

@@AllmightyLoki I pulled two adult Florians and an adult Oscilio. Never seen a felling or plow under with my own eyes :D

[@TheDarkness213]

I pulled one of each adult no fellings or plows

[@retrofraction]

So I have been preaching this for ages 😅 But the answer is: More product has to be opened. I agree singles online are one of the best ways to get the most out of you money, but the condition the market is in is strictly because boxes/cases are not being opened. What is the best way to open boxes: Drafting I completely understand that classic constructed is very popular but I moved to a new area and I have noticed online people wonder how to play the game without staples. Drafting is the answer to all of the problems. Drafting puts more singles into the market as players double up on prize support. Drafting is a format where everyone has a chance of building a competitive deck from basically the same pool. Drafting is beginner friendly as people can take time to learn all the concepts of the sets. Drafting is great because it moves all of the old under powered sets out of the store at a good price for the store owner. In the day and age where eating out is minimum $20+, Drafting at $15 with prize support is amazing. I think if they do reprints they should do RF EA of new art for the cards. So top tier hunters drop their RF, and NF owners buy the RF, White boarders buy the NF. But the basis of the card economy is drafting, so we need to encourage every LGS to do it once a month to keep the singles flowing 😅

[@hamsandwich6685]

Know why boxes don't get opened more? The pull rates are miserable. I agree, opening more product would immensely help, but the product itself, on an individual unit scale, has to provide better value than it does currently. As a player, you buy 2 booster boxes and you pretty much have all the commons and rares, but only if you're lucky.. then maybe you got some majestics or a legendary to help with either the hero you want to build or give trade bait value to get things you want. The rate is not good and then opening up boxes of a set past that basically becomes $130+ for 4 to 10 majestics, maybe a legendary, everything else doesn't matter. The cards may be useful or maybe not... It's a terrible thing most of the time. That opening experience on the individual unit level has to change. Just upping the pull rates alone would do a lot, in my opinion. Cater to the players, not the collector whales.

[@retrofraction]

@@hamsandwich6685 You know what makes you not care about the rates? Drafting :)

[@hamsandwich6685]

If drafting was worth it, then people would buy boxes to draft. you hardly hear that happening ever.

[@scapeg]

We have lokals that just have given up on stapels and just borrowing them all the time. Reprints are dearly needed.

[@dustinbogges3965]

The issue is prices are deterring newer players from joining an already difficult to get into game. FAB has not earned that trust from players to justify $100+ cards, we still do not know if prices will crash with a reprint as there has been little commentary from LSS. Box rates are aweful, such that opening boxes is idiotic. This game is still in a phase where it could die off, players arent willing to pay the top $ for such an unsafe investment. Another issue is Armories are not as casual as you and others let on. It highly depends on the area. Many are all top decks and players and that means newer players even with top decks are still getting crushed. All lesser incentive to buy in.

[@TibGabinius]

Yeah, no. Entrance mistake "demand and supply (...) so the game community is growing". May be - but not necessary. The game is still relativly young and as most new games it had a smaller audience of which many came out loyal to the brand - but the brand wasnt producing in rough numbers like Pokemon, YuGiOh or MtG. It increased, for sure but then dropped back a little while the numbers of reported players did not pick up as wanted (or needed). Meanwhile the players loyal build their decks - not one and stick to it and upgrade it, but especially the competitive guys looked what was working, what was trending, and buying up things. That drove the prices as well as new players - and now comes the collectors market and sees value in certain cards growing. So, they buy to, often storing the cards a bit or trying in other ways to influence the price. (its common in most games, you can find MtG cards stacked in dozends or more by some sellers for prices no one will pay for sure, but those stacks push the "average" price up, so they can sell the "common sense" priced cards for more.) The smaller the market and audience, the easier is manipulation (but the easier it is to be found if you look for it). So, it MAY be that this game is growing rapidly and the stables and winning decks have just such a demand that the prices are driven sky high - or it can be some other factor (most likly a couple of factors). And you can try to talk about personal joy about possesion of such valued cards - if the audience shrinks that value may stick a while stable, until the game died and only some collectors stick to the cards. I play TCGs for at least 2 1/2 decades, lost my two most beloved brands early on and sit on piles of worthless cards, as i hoped, they will keep value. FaB looks very interesting to add on possible games to have fun with - but i will not pay these prices for a game i m not sure will last. So, one gamer less. Nothing to worry - until you hear it over and over again.

[@DrizztFan23]

Look at this guy, making a whole video so he can subtly brag that he has a girlfriend.

[@raulortega3104]

I recently built Verdance and I was impressed by how expensive it was given that Verdance isn't constantly topping tournaments. I still decided to pull the plug because I feel like I can get a lot of mileage from the earth cards in the long run.

[@Cardsecafe]

Thanks for talking about this issue! I live in Brazil and a Tunic its litteraly my whole sallary

[@brence1984]

I agree on both Good and Bad. There is as said a tight balance to manage between having value like MtG’s biggest issue as nothing new really spikes except for 1 or 2 cards. On the other hand when a new players comes into a settled meta community you might be discouraged AF checking out what “good cards” are going to cost you. Reprints would help, but… the game is still young, so there might be a switch as new cards enter that are more easily available and are fairly competitive also. I think that not having a Reserved List is the best thing here.

[@thewhitehotd1172]

So true I bought the mistveil blitz bundle last month to learn the game and LOVED it...went to build decks to see more cards then I saw prices...it made me not want to play...

[@tundranocaps]

I still find holding a shotgun microphone of all microphone types pretty hilarious.

[@Etienne.6329]

Hard disagree here. I really enjoy the game, it's one of the best TCG in terms of gameplay but... these prices are the reason I will just get the armory decks and never dip my toes into constructed. And for the exact same reason, I'm considering playing Magic again because it's actually affordable to get a Foundation deck.

[@meatscraps]

0:52 MTG Player here, finally a decent take on tcg card pricing

[@hamsandwich6685]

The game would grow and be better off overall if majestics were minimum guaranteed 8 out of the 24 packs in a box with a chance of being as high as 12 majestics or a bit more if you get lucky on the foil slots, and also guaranteed 1 legendary per box, start making legendary non foil if you must preserve some form of collector prestige. Opening boxes is very swingy, and I hear opening cases is becoming very swingy too. That ultimately means more hesitation and less opening for players. Then the openings are relegated to singles sellers online who open to have stock.... That kills the local game store in a long about way because players get burned buying sealed, so they buy online singles almost exclusively, product moves slower on the shelf of the local game store... It's a mess. I think pumping up the pull rates fixes a lot of that. Personally, I'd rather my collection be worth way less if I could have way more and enjoy the game deeper, wider ect.

[@AzurielMist]

Thankfully, LSS cares about its players and will with 99% certainty reprint these soon. Most of the cards mentioned are now out of print run, and thus they can't make money from cards already in circulation, it makes sense for them as a business and also to their players to reprint, it's the best of both worlds for LSS and players alike.

[@devinmychan9262]

Thanks for the video sloop, well done as always.