We need to talk about the Tavern Pass... - Hearthstone

Hearthstone is the most expensive F2P game and it is getting out of hand. The revamp of the rewards system is not a step in the right direction, and the Tavern Pass needs to be restructured.
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[@Dekkster]

I figured I’d share my thoughts on the new Battle Pass just as some other content creators (Solem, Zeddy, etc) have decided to do. The new system makes the game far more expensive and hopefully we can change that.

[@zacharycook3037]

Thanks for speaking up for the average Hearthstone player!

[@ProjjectDelta.]

Iv heard alot of talking about this subject, and...I'd like to offer an idea on how to START, to fix the new system, something simple. Make it, to where ALL of your Daily Quests refresh everyday, not just one, the average daily quest Iv seen equals around...800-1000 XP, by giving 3 daily Quests instead of one, you essentially are awarding players a daily "Weekly Quest", that encourages them to play around with classes and game modes they wouldn't play anyway. Just my opinion.

[@RogerRabbit86]

Agree and this is why I'm slowly not playing as much. I still love the game but the game is going downhill.

[@aalinaqian8780]

thanks man.we need more and more talking about this system until they fix it.

[@randommodnar103]

So it will become a marketing strategy? They will "fix" it and then everyone will rejoice and praise Blizzard even they are the one who did it in the first place? To make themselves the good guy even when they are the one who fcked it up

[@ZeddyHearthstone]

Thanks for speaking up Dekkster!

[@rubilax2270]

You started a movement man!!!!

[@professorhawk777]

ZEDDY! You are the General in this Battle. We are definitely STAYING SALTY! Keep the morale high we are prepared for battle!

[@zacharycook3037]

@@rubilax2270 To be fair, Reddit went nuclear. True though, he pushed the first domino to make the voices heard. Thank you all for speaking up, you really didn't have to risk your relationship with Blizzard but we're glad you did. The more that speak up, the better for our "pack".

[@seandeegan1702]

Lets go king

[@GLang_E]

Dekster has spoken!

[@evolactical9734]

Supporting all creators talking about this! Spread the word. Props, dekks

[@iceman6748]

Rarran and Zeddy made the first 2 videos, extra props to them

[@BluEyedRaven]

This is happening every time blizzard decides to cash grab and nothing happens. It's sad.

[@drewduenas6699]

You I am streaming my journey from 1-150 to PROVE to people like YOU that this system is way better follow me and you can see for yourself silverhawkhs level 15 in 3 days baby

[@impasibil]

@@drewduenas6699 bro, you have no idea, do you? :D

[@drewduenas6699]

@@impasibil Ohhh buddy I found out after 7 hours of grinding BG everyday

[@julianpacua3267]

Please, do NOT spend money on this game until we get more rewards. They need us. They can't live without money. I guess, I am not going to pay to have fun playing this game anymore.

[@adriantovias8681]

I already spent money on the mega bundle the last week and i cant refund it =/ . Last penny I'll give blizzard even if they fix this. 0 support to their loyal players and + 100 % greed.

[@julianpacua3267]

@@adriantovias8681 Yes, me too :(, but i promise i will not do that again.

[@tijsv6172]

bought it the second they threw it out for sale. the battle pass came a week after....

[@swoggityswitty7873]

The problem is they will probably just drop the game if it starts bleeding revenue, they are just milking the for all its worth.

[@soltanprime9162]

i agree with u 🤔

[@duweitbescheid816]

Heartstone 2019: Pay to Win 2020: Pay to Play Edit: 2021: Legends Of Runeterra

[@jakeharman6917]

2019 needs changed to pay to have fun

[@Unicron187]

gods unchained: play to earn ;)

[@mattattack9831]

Ya they need to take the free to play tag off the game. It’s time.

[@duweitbescheid816]

@@mattattack9831 definintly

[@user-ov6pr2sf4k]

pay to play but you get the full collection and can make any deck you want, like creative mode of some sort

[@GrenadeMan9000]

it wasnt to make players happy, its to make the CEO happy. He needs his 35 million a year

[@adriantovias8681]

You need MORE UPVOTES ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^

[@MrTCuneo]

Which he donates to the GOP to put kids in in cages, gut Healthcare and advance radical right wing agenda.

[@sirultor648]

MrTCuneo wtf is gop?

[@Thing-vc2qm]

We'll see how they like their game when they will have priced out anyone without a severe gambling addiction.

[@lauridsen1381]

@@sirultor648 Grand Old Party. Aka The Republican Party. American politics things

[@manolgeorgiev9664]

Riot: Paywall cosmetics and skins Blizzard: Paywall everything!

[@Terrkas0]

I am playing runeterra since open beta. With just a few games each day. I got enough resources to probably purchase the next 2 full expansions at this point. I get the feeling, would I play HS instead, I might be able to get a single, at best, decent deck.

[@jonnymario771]

@@Terrkas0 Runeterra has just started, when it gets more popular they will probably go for cashgrabs.

[@SuZRaiden]

What paywall man ? U can get a lot of skins from boxes in league of legends . When they introduced this system i never had to buy a skin again . You only need to spend money if u really want a certain skin . I think lol might be one of the best Free to play experience game . They even replaced the old rune system when u had to buy them

[@Terrkas0]

@@jonnymario771 Or most likely not. They are running LoL still as f2p title. Only cosmetics and stuff cost money. And even from that you can get a bunch for free.

[@intifadayuri]

I mean, riot even gives you the chance to have some free skins with the boxes and orange essence system.

[@projectrad8844]

I quit playing and uninstalled some months ago. Used to LOVE this game and for many reasons I got fed up with the game. Seen this video pop up, watched it and it reinforced the fact that I will likely never go back, especially since I played the game without investing any actual money. On a side note, I miss watching Dekkster's content. Best HS content creator out there.

[@badrisnake]

Same I stopped 4 months ago i have been playing this game for 3 years I couldn't keep up it felt like work more than having fun

[@zepzour7391]

They’re adding a battle pass... into a game where there are already insanely expensive xpacs every 4months that only give you 30% of the cards to play around with...and also it’s a fucking card game... wtf lol

[@fatihrime]

Cyberpunk 2077 cost 60$. They are working on it like 5 years and hearthstones 1 expansion cost 80$ where is the justice!!

[@KroVey]

@@fatihrime as long as corporate-loving sheep buy their trash and defend them, companies like Activision will never change. I mean, people still pay a monthly subscription to play their ancient grindfest of an mmo, wow, FOR DECADES.

[@jadjajeh3270]

@@KroVey idk man hearthstone is fun and I don’t see somewhere where I can get the day one expansion experience elsewhere. I would love to see the game get less expensive but I tried the other games they just don’t have the same feel. People don’t play games for rational reasons so blaming the players is missing the point they want the game to be priced better they just don’t have a choice.

[@KroVey]

@@jadjajeh3270 I don't care. I quit this piece of trash game After the deathknights rotated to wild, can't even remember what expansion was that. I came back just to kill some time with battlegrounds but I'll probably quit that too once I get cyberpunk and Baldur's Gate. You want me to feel sympathy for you when you support Activision's scam-system? Nope.

[@Zaluskowsky]

A card game that in every expansion gets more and more Random Cards that can totally turn a nice game upside down

[@StigmaShadow]

I know I've said this before, but I'm not spending another dollar on this game... It was a spit in my face when the tavern pass wasnt included in the 80USD mega bundle..

[@GenericMedusa99]

lol i know i didnt spend on the full bundle 125packs, but i figured anyone that spend that amt of money deserve that tavern pass for free lol but this is blizzard xDD suddenly pre expansions is not enuf for blizzard lololol

[@Jerm716]

Bobby Kotick need your money for his 35mil a year salary

[@mattattack9831]

@@Jerm716 ya just remember people are paying for his third yacht. Don’t give this douche anymore of your money.

[@crystallizer7308]

When Deks shared not being able to have his friends stick with hearthstone after introducing it to them.. I related. Feels bad there is such a high barrier for entry to have fun

[@GatsbyCioffi]

I'm the only one left in my original friend group who plays, and I have spent, I think 3 bucks total on the game (I bought the welcome bundle with a coupon, lol), where some have spent more. It's definitely lonely these days.

[@Hafanii]

@@GatsbyCioffi yeah i relate too. I started playing this game with my friends 6 years ago. Slowly they all disappear and its only left with me (f2p with only a few decks) and my one friend who is a whale (hahaha). My friends ask why i keep playing this game and wanted to join but it was so hard to give good points and just told them to try battlegrounds cuz it’s impossible to play standard

[@Daniel-wz3yv]

Imo the best thing HS has are the adventures and all that dungeon like content, just playing that content if you're new to the game is good enough, but the pvp side has too much rng involved and requires you to stay up to date with the game by spending lots of money for the new cards and key cards from older packs and you don't have any of those cards if you're new or the dust to craft them, it wouldn't be so bad if there was a monthly sub that would give you all the cards from the most recent pack until your sub ends but there's no way they would do that when they're so greedy.

[@fatihrime]

Legendary timer must be decrease to 20 packs

[@nejcftv3792]

And instead of a card u need to get a legendary token that you can trade for any legendary in the set

[@gundahardeathstorm4400]

@@nejcftv3792 damn right you are!

[@blue_thingys8813]

@@nejcftv3792 yeah, MTG Arena handled that pretty well, granted I haven't played MTG arena in a year but I recall you getting mythic "tokens" or whatever that you could redeem for the card(s) of your choice. There's no reason that hearthstone can't implement a system like that.

[@nejcftv3792]

Actually there is a reason. If you want to play a specific deck. You need specific Legendarys from the set. A d u need to open approximately 35-40 packs to get a random legendary. Grinding gold for that amount of packs and than getting a legendary you can't find use of is just disastrous!! At that point you can disenchant the card for 1/4 of a legendary you need. And there goes another 120 packs with some bad luck to craft the legendary you want. Than there are epic cards. And after 3 months of playing that same deck you kinda want to try out a different deck... you feel me? Its just catastrophic the way it is. I bought both preorders and opend only 5 legendarys of which I only got 1 that I really wanted. Others are not useful for me.

[@marsovac]

@@nejcftv3792 getting a LEGENDARY that has no use is bad game design by itself, not need to explain further. But it is good to make profit it seems.

[@christopherIF]

Keep the trending to let them now this situation is ridiculous

[@kobban63]

If blizz strikes this BOY DE GONA BE IN TRUBEL

[@dodekaedius]

Know

[@Menacinggg]

More content creators need to speak up about this. Hearthstones economy is a joke and now its even beyond that.

[@suakeli]

Conspiracy theory: Duel mode uses wild cards to prevent people from dusting old cards as a counter for this new greedy gold system.

[@GatsbyCioffi]

I mean, I actually enjoyed the persuasion not to dust. I always felt a little guilty dusting my old favorite cards, like Frost Lich and Pyros. I felt like a bad player, lol. Now I have incentive to keep my favorite cards, and maybe give Wild a try sometime.

[@lewchootrain]

Yes to this. That’s why I don’t play Duels only to complete quests

[@eeeeee3328]

@@GatsbyCioffi Yeah, I totally agree with that (I decided not to dust Rastakan's Rumble and Boomsday, the only 2 expacs I bought), but even so, that means your yearly dust collection vanishes. The only way to get dust becomes through duplicates which is 4 times slower than the original system which is already completely stupidly slow...

[@Batman-jf1mp]

I play wild anyway lmfao

[@cakeyeater7392]

Some of us saved our collections. This isn’t a trap, it’s just purposely anti-consumer design.

[@darcystrang196]

So glad to see content creators speaking up about this. You're not only speaking for yourselves but also speaking for all of us. Here's to the people! We deserve more

[@elijah1110]

Love that everyones speaking up about this

[@lilpp4791]

“Money” - blizzard entertainment

[@manolgeorgiev9664]

"I like money :)" - Activizzard

[@salah-ib2cd]

Lmao

[@Unicron187]

'and then, we doubled it' jay wilson of blizzard

[@danielbonev2816]

You pay 130$ per expansion to preorder bundles, you pay 12$ per expansion for a BG Pass, now you pay 20$ per expansion for a Tavern Pass, Meanwhile Blizzard: "Money is money!"

[@Grimba86]

”Money good, customer bad” - Growling orc at Blizzard.

[@mike_v02]

Ah, blizzard. The unmasked EA's cousin.

[@ColeEvyx]

Also let's not forget this is $20 during the year 2020 when so many people are experiencing financial crisis.

[@haloman6477]

This makes so sense. If you put it this way, Blizzards employees may be struggling too, and if they are then they need to charge for their expansions. This game doesn’t have to be cheap for you or for people struggling. Would I like it to be? Absolutely. Do I expect it to be? Absolutely not.

[@arifridwanabriyanto9286]

You better spending your money on others than children card games if you experiencing financial crisis man.. anyway, good luck for you

[@addamazeing]

I'm certain the most important thing to people who are financially struggling and have lost their job are mostly worried about a battle pass in digital card game, rather them than feeding themselves or affording their housing bills

[@jscarp240]

1 - this song is amazing, thank for DK2 Stickerbush Symphony 2 - I am a Brazilian casual player, but I want to enjoy the content. The exchange value prevents access to all content for us @_@

[@simonl4863]

I love this game but I’m really struggling to stay loyal as it’s just costing way too much

[@creepykoala7255]

It's a shame that Blizzard just doesn't seem to care about people like you (and me).

[@simonl4863]

@@creepykoala7255 I know . I’m a collector as well I want to have all the hero skins ,card backs and cards . With them constantly releasing skins on the shop for a limited time and the preorder every 4 months I think I finally have to say good bye to the game unless I’m willing to invest over well over a 1k each year and now hours a day to max a battle pass :(

[@blue_thingys8813]

You might consider switching to Wild format. It's a lot cheaper because you don't need to keep buying/dusting for entire decks worth of cards multiple times. I haven't spent a dime on Hearthstone in over a year and have hit top 100 legend every month. Granted I play the same deck and don't get bored of it. But it's just a thought.

[@creepykoala7255]

@@blue_thingys8813 Unfortunately I already play Wild. Can't go wilder than that.

[@aliselam5615]

@@blue_thingys8813 It isnt fun when all you do is playing the same deck for a whole year

[@amoose8439]

When they said cemented I didnt know they were talking about their shoes.

[@gianf.11]

REDUCE CARD ENCHANTING COST, INSANELY AND UNNESCESARILY EXPENSIVE

[@dennisthemenace989]

I feel stupid af for spending 140 dollars now..

[@jancerny3315]

Weird flex but ok

[@dennisthemenace989]

@@jancerny3315 hah much fun very comedian XDDDDD

[@lauridsen1381]

@@jancerny3315 not a flex dude?

[@GenericMedusa99]

i spent on the 45 pack bundle but i forsee this expansion as the last expansion to spend money but i will leave it to the next gen of hearthstone players and streamers to play and support the developers lol i heard Runterra is neat lil card game i will probably look at it while playing dota 2 :) i will try play casually now just doing quest on this hearthstone game and just dont spend money any more less stress on me :D

[@dennisthemenace989]

@@GenericMedusa99 i like the game, but the developers do not appricate us enough, we are the ones making hs go around and yet they still fucks us players over :)

[@seanorourke8553]

Thanks for doing the research on this. As someone who just plays standard, the allowance of wild cards in the duel format is quite frustrating. All my wild cards get dusted as soon as the year changes over and cards rotate out.

[@torrentmurthy7383]

Minecraft: Spent $20 on it, got everything. Hearthstone: Spent over $300 on it, doesn't even have 1 meta deck ;-;

[@uranterra2725]

Gold from reward track allows to buy 52 pacs which will give you all commons and rares, 50% epics, and 3-5 legendaries. This is enought to buid couple decks.

[@deadvex]

@@uranterra2725 no, i buy 50 packs an expansion with gold i save and get 2 legendaries if im lucky. Dont get me started on epics.. ive been playing since beta and have to dust all the old cards to stay current and have relevant decks to rank

[@uranterra2725]

@@deadvex lol j ment 50% epics not 50 epics. 2 legendanries is unlucky considering mathematical chanses of droping. 3 is average, 4-5 lucky.

[@hamsterfromabove8905]

While I agree completely that Hearthstone is too expensive $300 and not getting 1 meta deck is quite the exaggeration.

[@hamsterfromabove8905]

@@uranterra2725 52 pack for 3-5 legendries is a strecth. Supposedly legendries appear once every 20 packs on average (with a pity timer at 40 packs). However the first pity timer is at 10 pack for a new pack type (expansion). So 1 legendary in the first 10 packs. 1 legendary in the next 20 and another legendary in the next 20 for a total of 50 packs. However, that is average luck. While its true that your luck might be better and you can get up to 4 legendries. Your luck can also be worse and go down to only 2 legendries in 50 packs. A blanket statement of 3-5 legendries for 52 packs is just wrong, because approximately 50% of all players will get 2 legendries.

[@AdmiralG]

Thank you bro for speaking out with everyone else. I've been playing this game for 3 years and I've only ever spent 20 EUR to get a solo mode. I never ever understood how people can pay up to 120 EUR per expansion for an incomplete collection of that expansion. Personally if there was a 100 EUR bundle that unlocked all the cards for an expansion I would definitely buy it & even then that is a pretty steep price to do x4 a year. I love this game but I've never ever gotten to experience it at its full potential. From constructed where I can only make 1 good deck & a bunch of budget decks per expansion, from not being able to participate in most 'build your own deck' tavern brawls, in Battlegrounds where I am literally fucking muted & cannot interact with other players (not mentioning that a match history is barred behind a paywall) and now duels where you are actually penalized for not having a certain amount of cards of an expansion to use a hero power. I'm happy people are discussing this but ultimately I feel like they will just barely change the reward system & never address the dust cost of a legendary or the actual monetization issues of this game.

[@adriantovias8681]

TO do a X3 a year***** not X4 , there are only 3 EXP a year.

[@ThatW3lshGuy]

I feel like they really are just trying to milk the player base, I just hope this game is hit by any new loot box regulations made in the UK

[@cameroncardozaster]

I’m so happy you chose to speak out on this Dekkster

[@NatePaddock]

Thanks so much for bringing this up! Just the other day I was checking out another streamer's awesome deck being played, and it had 8 Legendary cards from the various expansions. I actually commented, "the next time I have an extra $500 to spend on trying to get these legendary cards, I'll be sure to try this out!" How about just offering a la carte' legendary purchase? I'd probably pay $5 for each one I need ($125 for all 25)

[@ireallylovelunchtime]

It was sad for me to quit this game two years ago. I really thought that I would come back with this update, but some games really don’t change.

[@TheMasterMakarov]

as we learned from HotS consumer friendly happens exactly the moment they give up

[@Terrkas0]

I remember when HotS became open beta or on full release. The first thing that happened, they doubled the prices. I think that was even a few days before.

[@Jorgensager]

Means a lot that you're speaking out Dekks, keep up the good content!

[@LetsPlayArcanium]

If hearthstone was an rpg where you can just hangout with people in the tavern, and you can carry around a collection book, start trading cards with friends, like for example instead of just using dust to get cards you would trade x amount of duplicates of any rarity and trade them for certain cards with others but also keeping your dust. You could can go to shops where they sell all sorts of decks related to the meta or wild shops for anyone interested in that. I feel like this would make your friends on your list actually friends instead of just people on a list you can only vs with 1 at a time. Mini games like even 2v2 would be fun in this rpg world, just something way interactive. And if you wanna spend money the option would still be there. Maybe for buying skins for your characther, collection book, cards backs, new cloths, shit not why even add quests to go with your friends to grind for like golden cards the higher the rarity the harder it is. also having the chance to actually enjoy your card backs and see the back side of it, idk thats why always bugged me in game lol. Anyways the game i feel it needs to solve its social interactions of friends in your list actually being friends. And take a more wow approach to the game. also financial flexibility especially during covid like come on. And ways for new players not to feel confused and lost in the meta while being overwhelmed.

[@dingding7289]

Community: why did you do it? Blizzard: i like money.

[@smittywerbenjaggermanjense9149]

damn, that stickerbrush symphony playing on the back... that's one the greatest achievements humanity has managed to get, this song is pure and genuine.

[@royaldoggo8946]

great to see you speaking up about this too, btw dkc2 in the background, dekkster your great taste is showing 😳

[@gustavoluiz872]

Just came and subscribed. Amazing video

[@stevefoxrox]

They are also releasing 'mini sets' now too so you have to spend even more money

[@SoleMotion]

Really, thank you for doing this Dekks. I've really fallen off from the game because it's really just become too expensive to keep up to date playing. I haven't been catching the streams because of the fact that I simply don't enjoy the game anymore and it's a shame. Because I really do enjoy your content and personality. Again thank you for speaking up about this Dekks and I hope Blizzard really take you and other player's criticisms to heart.

[@NikolayTodorov2702]

Great to see more content creators speak up about the problems this pass brought to our favourite game. Good job, Dekkster! :)

[@MrsSlate21]

Great commentary! Keep up the good work, Dekkster!

[@nouwerra7408]

I was curious about this tavern pass and KZbin algorithm recommended this video to me. Now i don't have to try it just to realize it's the same old economy. "If you don't like it, don't play it." That's what the players told me, when i made any criticism about Hearthstone. Now i realize it's the best advice ever, because the game probably isn't going to change. The players are willing to give any amount of money to Blizzard. I would recommend LoR to fellow CCG players. I got all the cards in 4 months and on top of that have enough resources to craft cards for the next 2 expansion. It's not a huge game compared to the big Hearthstone couple years ago. But from what i've seen, LoR devs are willing to fix their mistakes about the game unlike Blizzard.

[@shexat1495]

That's actually the reason why I switched to wild, wild is way more expensive on the entry BUT having your cards forever and having the ability to play decks that are old but still viable makes up for it. And, even the wild meta is a bit off atm I'm never coming back to standard. At high legend (20) people play decks with only 1 legendary, wild is truly underrated in terms of price...

[@TheNosgothicRealm]

Gg my man! Story of my life - by the time I get to scrap up a semi-decent deck to have fun with, next expansion is out. Feels like a constant miserable chase

[@lifesketchr4906]

Commendable. Earned my sub. You put pride and effort into your content and it shows. While I don't play the game any more, I checked out your channel for a review of the new content in case things somehow got better. You know, in case Blizzard listened. I was glad that you pointed out the good new offerings like achievements. The shortcomings warrant the facepalm. Reading the comments surrounding this topic reminds me of why I chose to leave the game for better offerings elsewhere. Disappointing feeling all over again. Not exactly the pre-expansion excitement that would otherwise draw people back to the game, nor keep them.

[@Dad8od]

I think everyone knew that the changes would be bad for content creators/people who play a *lot*. But this is bad for the casual player, which the changes were supposed to favor. Very lame.

[@tronixrex6038]

This is why I stick to wild. Have more fun that way since I mainly do OTK decks.

[@miguela2790]

Thanks for bringing some light into this issue Dekks! This new system is definitely madness, some of my F2P friends have already told me that it'll simply crush their passion for the game as they need to play a lot more to get even less than they were getting for just 1-2 hours of play every day. I'm glad that some of the big streamers and content creators are starting to stand up cause this needs to be fixed asap. Here are some changes I feel like need to be implemented cause this is honestly getting out of hand: - Either reduce the EXP needed to level up or make everything give a lot more exp. The first 15 levels are dumb easy but from there you can't even possibly grind 1 level a day, even if you play stupid hours, so what's even the point? - The legendary pity timer needs to go all the way down to 20 packs max. The 40 one was ok when there weren't 2 legendaries per class per expansion but with so many legendaries opening 4 after spending 130 bucks is disgusting and insane. I would also love if they could lower the variance, cause it feels like shit to have seen the same streamer get packs with 2-3 legendaries multiple times and then I have played this game for almos 5 years now and I haven't gotten a single pack with multiple legendaries and I do buy a large amount of packs each year. - The rewards themselves have to be heavily reworked. It does suck to climb all the way to level 40 something to get a pack with cards that'll rotate in 4-5 months and that you more than likely already own all the playable cards from said sets. The battle pass should only award either packs from the last expansion and gold (cosmetics is fine as well). I would like it better if it was only gold but whatever that's probably not gonna happen, so packs but only from the latest expansion is fine as well.

[@Wimikk]

The revolution begins. I’m subscribing and putting your vids on an autoplay playlist. Take my ad revenue today.

[@Wabinator]

They should introduce wildcards like mtg arena does where you can open up a pack and sometimes instead of getting an actual card you get a token you can redeem for any card of that rarity.

[@cherrylegend4833]

hearthstone is slowly becoming a "pay to play more than one class" game

[@creepykoala7255]

Has been for a very long time. One might say: Always has been

[@DelugeQuebec]

Its exactly that...

[@Johnmerlin20]

I have only been playing one class since the The Frozen Throne expansion or whatever the name is where the lich king came out :/ cant keep up otherwise at all and it sucks so much

[@smonkk8556]

it literally never hasnt been lol

[@adasdasdaasadasda7543]

i have been freetoplay playing 2 classes since launch. ofc one of them is random mage, only way to compete against tier 1 decks is with pure luck i guess

[@sorenlily2280]

Thank you for standing up for us!

[@albinscott]

Thank you for voicing this out.

[@rubenhayk5514]

inviting friend to hearthstone feels like inviting them to a scam: you have to spend thousand dollars but still dont get even half of the game

[@JayTheYggdrasil]

This is why I stopped playing HS, really a shame.

[@kasyanchik]

holy shit you’re using the soundtrack from Donkey Kong 2: Diddy’s Kong Quest! and that is a parrot mission as well omg I can’t begin to describe what i’m feeling right now lol

[@beastlysnippets]

Hey Dekkster, i'm now a subscriber, as you said :). I agree completely with your opinion, already feeling it myself: as i climb up the new rewards thing it gets harder and harder to earn a new pack. I play more than usually, but next expansion i fear i won't be able to get my usual 90 packs. If that changes as dramatically as it feels now, i might have to drop out of the game.. big account with heaps of cards going to waste, i played since beta, and even if they fix it later, once you're out you're out i guess..

[@RichD2024]

Every reason you just outlined, paying so much and not even getting all of the cards you need, it absurd. Hearthstone is DEAD, or quite frankly, needs to die. A company should not be rewarded for being so damn greedy. It's disgusting.

[@nuu_29]

I'm thinking my decision again on playing legends of runeterra dude

[@linase.8566]

@@nuu_29 Move to it as fast as you possibly can - consistent patches, friendly f2p economy, less time needed to invest, much more interactible matches

[@BluEyedRaven]

Whales are the only ones who can actually change the game. F2p players are just noise for them at this point. I've heard a ton of complaints and nothing's changed. Worst thing is, whales do not even think about the rest of the playerbase. As a whale myself, i've skipped a couple of expansions just because i didn't want to invest more money into such shitty practises. In the last 2 years,i've bought 3 out of 6 expansions and nothing else but preorders. Had fun for a couple days but then meta became the clown fiesta it always is. I'm skipping the next,i'll buy whatever i can with gold and if it's not enough,bgs will do.

[@nuu_29]

@@linase.8566 i was playig at the open beta on SEA server but got bored since it's the first Outlands expansion and pretty much my playing time was on the Demon Hunter laddering. But since the new reward system is so bad right now, maybe I'll quit hearthstone for good

[@hansndew6604]

Let‘s end them!

[@MrModerkaiser]

the 3 dislike are developers from ACTIVISION, i guess truth hurts

[@WSmith-wo4sc]

Don't shit on the developers - they don't choose the monetization strategy. Most of them are probably hoping to get out of Act-Blizz.

[@LE_Arasaka]

@@WSmith-wo4sc sorry. Act-Blizz is Blizzard. It’s all the same, and if you think otherwise you have been blinded

[@cattysnax]

And to add up to it, the golden packs don’t count as packs for the « 1 legendary in the 10 first expansion packs » cuz I opened the 5 golden ones and still had to open exactly 10 regular ones to get my leg

[@davidpugh5227]

Hi Dekkster! I’m a big fan of your content and I really appreciate you making this video. KZbin continues to recommend this one to me despite the fact that I’ve already watched it. I imagine it’s been viewed a lot. Since you made this Blizzard has changed a couple of things. They got rid of the packs at the end of the “path” and they seem to have added a second weekly quest worth 1750 xp. Does any of this change your opinion on the new progression system? I was hoping you could make a new video that accounts for the current state of the game. As always, good luck on ladder and stay hydrated.

[@Noname-wm6xx]

They must return 10 gold per 3 wins, without this, BP will be pointless.

[@sherlock226]

i have nothing to say ,except thank you

[@bigdeboatl23]

Background music is life. So relaxing. Lol

Good to see you raise your voice on this issue Dekkster

[@haitireformationproject4438]

ur correct...Legends of Runterra..reward system iz much better..

[@manolgeorgiev9664]

It is tho

[@araradeterno]

Real talk, at this point I don't see why anyone that isn't a content creator or have huge amounts or disposable income doesn't simply migrate to Legends of Runeterra.

[@hamsterfromabove8905]

Honestly I prefer Hearthstone's gameplay. It feels more casual than LoR. I often don't give the card game my 100% attention. I like to take my turn and get up to go grab something, am watching a movie/netflix, or anything else. Having actions on my opponents turn makes for interactive gameplay, but its not the gameplay that I'm looking for. I don't want to have to be focused to play a reaction to their spells on their turn.

[@stevebellomy2216]

Dekkster you hit the nail on the head. I am a school teacher and I used to watch your videos during my prep period while i graded papers but I took a break for a couple xpacs to play Wow with my son and there is no way I could come back now..... You hit the nail on the head man. I can never come back to this game unless something drastically changes. I love Hearthstone but it's never going to be my #1 game, but I would love it to be my #2 but it's just too punishing to take a break and come back.

[@LeoneDeloris4730]

THANK YOU for bringing this up, respect!

[@lucasalvarezlacasa2098]

Thank you Dekks for sharing your thoughts on this!. Blizzard definitely needs to change this crappy system, it's literally bullshit. As an example, in Call of Duty Warzone, for 10 dollars per season you get access to the battle pass, which allows you to get 100 rewards while leveling it. The experience is completely different as well, you can get one level by playing 2 or 3 games on its own. Blizzard, please change this!. I'm not spending a single dollar in the game anymore.

[@navnav5338]

Thank god people are talking about this

[@uba754]

Just here to give some credit on the classic Donkey Kong Country music. Still an absolute jam always will be.

[@MsSexualHarassment]

Thank you for this video and acknowledging the current issues with this game. This was very informative and entertaining to watch, I can hear the pleas and hopefully the HS team / Blizzard will take the feedback in stride. Much love to you, Dekkster!

[@TheDCRUAmpact]

This is exactly why I only play BG now...... can’t stay current.

[@denifisher7809]

The more i play Runnetera,the more i want to quit HS,if they dont fix this,its godbye hs hello Runnetera.

[@badrisnake]

Runetera has a better system but it's not that fun to me so I stopped playing card games this year I guess I'm burned out from playing hearthstone for 3 years

[@denifisher7809]

@@badrisnake agreed,i stoped playin league after 9years.

[@rylle3404]

What background music is it in this video? Great video btw!

[@purplelotus531]

Legends of runeterra: A little harder to grasp since it is more complex than HS be it a good or bad thing for you Its insanely f2p friendly. You can get a competitive deck within a couple hour of playtime. Rewards are based on xp, wins give you more xp and you get a huge boost for the first games a day. XP levels up your “regions” (classes) and the weekly chests. Both giving you for free a ton of cards. I dont even consider I have a big playtime and I basically have an almost full collection. Being able to play any deck I want by logging in every couple days and doing daily quests. You cannot desenchant stuff, if you get a dupe its turned into essence in a decent rate (not sure on the exact %). Also rewards from “packs” and the “packs” themselves can randomly upgrade into better quality or cards into wild cards. Wildcards can be traded for any card of said quality. With my play time I always get most decks I like from an expansion and get a good chunk of essence and wildcard so I can immediately build a deck on the next one. You might prefer HS gameplay you do you, but as a whole game, LoR is far better.

[@jd2792]

You should check out gwent its a different system to the typical card game and from my experience the easiest free 2 play game with no grind

[@awholelotofbees]

this is literally the reason i stopped playing, i can’t believe they’re making it worse. riot’s system in runeterra is perfect, idk why blizz thought this was the way to go. (would love to see u try LoR btw 👀)

[@andreashghsvendsen6660]

Thats why i only play 3 different classes :(..

[@jogendrajoshi7327]

I always play only 3-4 classes so for me it doesn't matter

[@tiraelrosenburg345]

Thank you for speaking out!

[@metaldevilsaur2261]

You and other content creators speaking up means a ton to the community .From the most casual player to all the think tanks and the pros , we have to fight this fight together In my opinion the things that absolutely have to change are 1)The 16 packs that we get from levels 1-50 should be latest expansion packs and not latest year 2)The tavern pass thingie should be included in both preorder bundles (or at least the mega bundle) 3)Dunno if i am unreasonable but the total exp needed for each level up should be ~40% less . Yeah level 150 should only be for the hardcore players as intented but level 55-60 should be an easy target for almost everyone

[@SlothGMS]

The part about you getting 3 legendaries out of 130 packs hits so hard. I had to dust my entire collection just to make 90% of a deck I want to play. My entire collection and I can't even make a full deck, oh I have also spend around 150$ total on this game.

[@HaloNeInTheDark27]

I bought the 80 bucks bundle every expansion since the witchwood, and i dont even the whole classic set

[@CunhaEsteves]

I'm out in 4 months. I'm a regular player but since 2015 I've purchase all the pre-orders! Each season they reward me with 11/12k gold! But now, only getting 6/7k... sorry! I'm out in 4 months @playheathstone!

[@diegoortiz2748]

Thank you for speaking up for us using that sick donkey kong 2 music, love you dekkster

[@ReapsVsTheWorld1]

Dekkster, love your content. Thanks for this vid and update on the game. I dropped off a while back.

[@antonholmberg911]

i don't play constructed anymore cause you need way too many cards, that's why i only play battlegrounds, duels, or arena and tavern brawls.

[@Bertofication]

I only have to say.... legends of Runaterra... Really guys, let's stop them to use Us as bank.

[@lillybareham1257]

Its that saying Rune is worse or better? Sorry Im not knowledgable about said game.

[@complte6440]

@@lillybareham1257 pretty sure the 2nd line refers to Hearthstone. Legend of runeterra is one of the best free to play card game where you can grind the entire collection within a year.

[@raenjonnavasshuji9095]

Yeaaaah but hearthstone is way better

[@tyrellf1579]

@@lillybareham1257 It is much better. The reward system feels amazing, you can get a competitive deck going really quickly and as you expand your collection, you can adjust and make new ones. The balance out there is quite good, some champions were problematic but the balance team really works out and tries it's best to keep it all balanced. You have a vault system, the more you play during the week, the higher your rewards, you get quests that give you exp to the vault and basically with just the first win of the day (or playing some games basically) the vault goes to a level in which your rewards are very good, you can do that everyday in less than one hour. Also, you don't have packs, you can just straight buy the cards you want! The vault gives you a random legendary each week or a wild card that you can choose which legendary it will become. You also have duplicated protection on chests for epics and legendary, so when you open up chests on your reward track- that by the way, is completely independent from the vault so you get reward twice for playing the game - you don't get to keep rolling the same thing. Only downside of Runeterra is complexity, it can be a little odd to understand at first and it requires a lot of strategy but that is actually a good thing for me!

[@Sonofhroft]

Nice system but crap game *PEPEsad*

[@complte6440]

Things I'll do to change the reward system: 1. Instead of old packs, you can get dust instead because there's currently no way to get them expect for certain quest and disenchanting dusts. 2. Halved the xp needed for leveling up. The current one imo is a bit long. Or we can use stars instead of xp, while quest gives stars to level up your battle pass (2 to 3 star per quest sounds fine to me) 3. Achievement points should be useful. Use them to exchange packs or gold or special achievement card back, hero portrait or coin skins.

[@StephanFournier1]

double xp weekends would entice me to come back. you spoke exactly how I feel, I took a couple years off and I already feel overwhelmed

[@Mendighoul]

WTF! This costs 20 USD? Here in brazil it costs 40 BRL. In a direct conversion, it should be only 7,38 USD.

[@pasjamiecza6550]

In Poland it cost 80 euro it's about 360 zloty. If you want buy 2 you need to spent 120 euros. That is about 540 zloty.

[@medrompereira]

Se eles fossem cobrar 20 dólares da gnt, ninguém iria comprar, aí eles fazem um cálculo de média salarial aqui e cobram oq acham que a gnt pagaria :)

[@darksigner5941]

@@medrompereira Se cobrassem a conversao direta eu já teria saido faz tempo.

[@TarjeiElias]

How brave! Great to see some people go against the grain. This has gotten no attention before this.

[@nzrichie4125]

Great break down Dekkster! I'm quitting HS now 😂

[@Zanarax]

Got a hearthstone ad watching this vid.

[@mikemike1411]

Couldn’t agree more with this vid. How are people supposed to get into this game when they have to pay upwards of $500 just to get the cards they need to be competitive. And then to have to repeat that every 4 months is just ridiculous.

[@hematemesis6992]

Arent they giving like a whole meta deck in the beginning tho?

[@mikemike1411]

@@hematemesis6992 i havent heard that

[@carthagegaming5545]

The take a break from HS is what I did and now I don't play standard any more because of it. I just play battlegrounds and wizards duels. I've dusted every duplicate I have cause I don't ever see myself going back to standard.

[@carthagegaming5545]

Probably going FTP after this one. I don't care about getting extra hero picks in BG

[@blomgrumthebossoftheriot4944]

Just go wild some meta decks doesnt change much in wild

[@carthagegaming5545]

@@blomgrumthebossoftheriot4944 yeah but the issue there is I was a pure standard player before I took a break so I was dusting every set as they rotated out

[@blomgrumthebossoftheriot4944]

@@carthagegaming5545 me too just slowly rotate towards wild you can play demon hunter hunter in wild you need only old neuturals that way

[@carthagegaming5545]

@@blomgrumthebossoftheriot4944 ew. Demon hunter. I play mostly priest shaman warlock and druid... I like slow greedy decks lol

[@scottikeda754]

Thank you so much for making this video Dekkster.. This is so important to us!

[@ninjawood4058]

Good job on the video. Thankful there's a voice out there looking out for the little guy and hopefully make a change. I love hearthstone and I've invested tons. Would hate to see it die more than it already has just because of the greed.

[@TheApple176]

As long as people continue to play, and continue to pay for these passes, Blizzard will continue to make changes like this.