By 2 min in, I'm already tearing up thinking of the beautiful analogy of Christ the vine and the pruning of the downward growing limbs so that the branches growing up with fruit can get sun and grow stronger. 🙌😭🙏
@EdgeofNowhereFarm5 ай бұрын
Amen to that! May we all grow stronger daily as part of the Vine!
@MyAussieGardenKitchen5 ай бұрын
G'day guys. Looking good now. Almost Winter here, so the leaves will be dropping and will make pruning easier on my huge vineyard of 2 plants. 😁 Take care. Daz.
@EdgeofNowhereFarm5 ай бұрын
Hey Daz! It's funny, every turn of the season I try to imagine what you're up to on the other side of the world opposite of us!
@chetnash59915 ай бұрын
The goats and ducks sure love the cuttings!
@EdgeofNowhereFarm5 ай бұрын
Hey Chet! Yes, the goats chew through everything, vines and all. It's like candy for them!
@AbidAli-bv2gl5 ай бұрын
Excellent Grapevine Maintenance, Goats love green
@EdgeofNowhereFarm5 ай бұрын
Hey Abid! Yes, the goats definitely loved those snacks!
@leodeboca2 ай бұрын
Great job!
@EdgeofNowhereFarm2 ай бұрын
Thanks!
@AntonColores5 ай бұрын
brutal pruning !!! 😛 but the result does look great and more promising towards a good harvest. you vids are highly educational, and you don't talk too much (referring to your previous response some vids ago) 👍 or at least you have useful information to share. love it!
@EdgeofNowhereFarm5 ай бұрын
One of my pruning mentors always talked about getting more comfortable with the amount to remove as you gained more experience with it. After 12 years of this it is much easier I must say. Oh and thanks for the kind words. We try to get us much info into these as we can, so it's worth the viewing time!
@GrowBagUK5 ай бұрын
Nice to see all the gang enjoying the vine leaves.
@EdgeofNowhereFarm5 ай бұрын
The animals really do enjoy these. The goats in particular, they act like it's crack when we come over to them with a handful!
@sgrvtl71835 ай бұрын
I enjoy hearing about what's growing at the farm, all the animals are fun to watch!!
@EdgeofNowhereFarm5 ай бұрын
Glad to hear it. Sometimes we get used to how special it is to have a place like this we can call home!
@MarSchlosser5 ай бұрын
You need a pitchfork for gathering the trimmings. A hay rake is easy to make to gather it in piles. Yeah, I never thought of it, but more sun means higher brix! We raised some Italia style, letting them grow up trees (they use Chestnut trees), but I was a lot sprier, then LOL. Both the Red Flame GRAPE and Thomson white are loaded, thanks to all that winter rain. The Concord is recovered from dying back two winters in a row. Why it does that is beyond me. Concords are supposed to be winter proof. One sister’s vines survive -20 on Penna. Wow, the goats and the rest look fat and sassy! Niio, kids!
@EdgeofNowhereFarm5 ай бұрын
I'm really surprised with that Concord as well. That's the grape I remember harvesting when I visited family up in Oregon!
@MGrace-161805 ай бұрын
Thank you for such an informative and timely video! Your Cab vines are beautiful! Our second year Flame Seedless vines are growing well and are loaded with huge, beautiful clusters which we have been slowly and carefully pruning. We will start pruning the downward-facing vines tomorrow. Thank you so much for your help.
@EdgeofNowhereFarm5 ай бұрын
Ah yes, your Flame grapevines should be growing even more vigorous than these cab vines you're seeing here. We're on our second round of pruning on the Flame vines right now and as you're seeing, the clusters are starting to get close! Usually those are our first grapes to harvest in June!
@texasvinecountry1194 ай бұрын
Great video as usual!! Pro tip to reduce shoot tucking labor: When building a vsp trellis, make every 3rd or 4th post a tall “highway post” (the bent steel posts like they use for stop signs). At your 3’ and 5’ catch wire height make notches in the highway posts to hold each pair of catch wires. All catch wires terminate to the same anchor point on the end posts. Before budbreak/during pruning, keep the wires down, out of the notches, hanging near the irrigation wire. After the shoots grow, you can just lift the lower pair of catch wires up into the notch for the first tuck. When they grow some more, lift the second 5’ pair of wires up into the notches. No true shoot tucking required! Cab also thrives on single high (50-65”) cordon wire with no catch wires in hot sunny climates. It’s recumbent habit works great with high trellising for less work at getting dappled sun in the fruiting zone
@EdgeofNowhereFarm4 ай бұрын
Great suggestions. I think I'll have to find a video detailing what you're describing! Any suggestions?
@texasvinecountry1194 ай бұрын
@@EdgeofNowhereFarm kzbin.info/www/bejne/oZvVk6imedVqr5Isi=J89mWQsJq8lYW-Z9&t=29 here's one of ours that shows more or less how it looks, we now start the catch wires one pair just 6" below the cordon wire and another pair 6" above the cordon wire at the beginning of the season and lift each pair once to get us up to the top. We also tend to let them sprawl more to the sides than in the past. 3k feet in elevation plus same temps as y'all means we can "cook" the fruit with too much sun pretty easily!
@EdgeofNowhereFarm4 ай бұрын
@@texasvinecountry119 thank you. I'll take a look!
@Pamsgarden2135 ай бұрын
I will be out trimming mine this afternoon. They are doing great after you fixed them on the trellis for me. It looks wonderful. There are some wayward branches at the bottom and they can be fed to my rabbits. 🙂
@EdgeofNowhereFarm5 ай бұрын
Glad to hear they're coming in strong Pam. Just a little TLC makes all the difference sometimes!
@Pamsgarden2135 ай бұрын
@@EdgeofNowhereFarm , along with a knowledgeable person like you for input. No telling where they would be without you guys helping me.
@bluegrassfan235 ай бұрын
Is it possible for you to show how you put up the stakes and horizontal wires? That would be great. I always enjoy your videos. Thank you.
@EdgeofNowhereFarm5 ай бұрын
Ask and yes shall receive. I'll link to a video we shot on that when these went up a few years ago; kzbin.info/www/bejne/Z2fPfXh_obSLm6c
@kevincharles1125 ай бұрын
Soo much more room for air and light ... makes a lot of sense. You'd want the vigor to be on those verticals and the more/bigger fruit, the less sugar you'd manually have to add in the wine process. Do you only get fruit on the first 12" above the cordons? Still new to all this. Are you doing Thompson/Flame/others? Thanks as always!!!
@EdgeofNowhereFarm5 ай бұрын
This is the first year we're really trimming back the heavy growth leading up to harvest, so we'll have to see how strong the effect is on the fruit. The key will be that initial specific gravity read when we go to make that wine. Oh and we are doing this same thing with all of the varieties, so Flame, Thompson, Monukka, Syrah and Zin along with the Cab. We do notice the majority of the fruit growth is in that first 12 - 24". The cab is always especially low on that new growth.
@tonisee25 ай бұрын
Very vigorous vines indeed! Looks like if everything goes well you'll have a great harvest. I'm going to do the same thing tomorrow - in my greenhouse, grape vines are about one third of your longer ones, outside ones have just 2-3 leaves. Actually, thinning of those grapes is a bit easier when vines are short (only few leaves), then clusters of flowers are already visible as is the directions of vines and one just needs bare hand to barely touch those young vines to remove them. It takes (quite a bit) less time, too, because all those short vines are very well visible. Though, I don't have a very windy location and maybe thinning vines at very early stage doesn't work in your condition (vines like to catch eatchother and stand against wind much better like that). Have you investigated if your varieties could need thinning or removing clusters as well - a'la not more than 2 cluster per vine? BTW, maybe you find channel "Tom" (Tom Zabadal) in KZbin useful... That's kind of "everything about viticulture", but has to be watched with 2x speed. :-)
@EdgeofNowhereFarm5 ай бұрын
It sounds like you have a solid plan for those vines. We probably could do this a bit earlier in the growth period, but as you mentioned the wind is a big problem for us here. You're correct, we still can go back through and do some additional thinning. Once we're in the "golden years" for our vines (typically at year 4 and beyond) we'll start thinning a bit heavier. The cab especially needs to be thinned a bit heavier I believe.
@kaill755 ай бұрын
Excellent video!
@EdgeofNowhereFarm5 ай бұрын
Glad you enjoyed this one and found it useful!
@glleon805175 ай бұрын
George L here, Hi! Your vines are really flourishing! I note you weaving the vines between the wires. And the wind! Most folks tie their vines to the wires. And you sell a tapenator on your Amazon store. Are you giving the vines some extra ❤️?
@EdgeofNowhereFarm5 ай бұрын
Hey George. We try to limit how much of that plastic tape we use, because it tends to wind up everywhere. Plus it's a bit easier to pull vines when we get to pruning. For the most part they stay in place. I know you have a lot of experience with this, so how many clusters did you usually come down to per vine when you guys were thinning in the commercial vineyards? I don't think we're going to thin further this year, but next year the vines are 4 years old and should start hitting their stride, so we're going to really focus on quality vs quantity.
@glleon805175 ай бұрын
Hey, Duane, George here. I have only worked at one small commercial vineyard so I am not an expert by any means. One cluster per shoot seems to be the goal for vinifera. You are spur pruning, right? I’ll go back and look at some of your pruning videos.
@EdgeofNowhereFarm5 ай бұрын
@@glleon80517 these are spur pruned, yes. We have a mix of both cane and spur pruned vines though.
@mesutozsen9035 ай бұрын
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@EdgeofNowhereFarm5 ай бұрын
Teşekkürler Mesut. Türkiye'de her şeyin yolunda olmasını diliyorum!
@danielweaver73475 ай бұрын
Could you root the cuttings and have more? If so how
@EdgeofNowhereFarm5 ай бұрын
Probably, but it's just not something we're trying to add to the to-do list! Technically they root better from hard wood cuttings taken from the vines when they're dormant. They root just like fig or mulberry cuttings, so you can use the fig-pop method or just stick a bunch of cuttings into a pot of soil and see which ones take!
@emilybh62555 ай бұрын
I guess some varieties of grapes grow differently but I'm just curious, how many clusters did you end up leaving per shoot? I found a KZbinr who says all but one cluster per shoot should be removed which can end up being more than half that might be growing : ( . I just went out yesterday and thinned my Cawtawbas and Concord grapes. This will be the first year I've thinned the grapes this much. It was also recommended to remove the younger clusters to avoid uneven grape ripening. In the early days before I even had a vague notion of how to grow grapes, I had uneven ripening - even on the same cluster of grapes! It was crazy.
@EdgeofNowhereFarm5 ай бұрын
The cabernet that you see here can definitely use some cluster thinning, but we won't do additional thinning on those until these vines hit their "golden years" (year 4 and beyond). That's when they have optimal production. At that point we'll keep no more than 2 clusters per shoot. For now we're being a bit greedy to ensure we have plenty of grapes for wine making this summer. 😉🍷
@moomoocho11965 ай бұрын
Wine wine drink that wine!
@EdgeofNowhereFarm5 ай бұрын
❤️🍷
@azyEmpero5 ай бұрын
In the temperature 90 up, I noticed the leaves get crisp, can I cover them with shade cloth?
@EdgeofNowhereFarm5 ай бұрын
We get well above that temp and don't cover the vines. Grapevines do best in full, blazing sun. Now, you can leave the vines growing a bit longer to help shade the area around the trunk. You'll also want to make sure you're irrigating enough. These vines are getting about 12 gallons once/week right now.
@azyEmpero5 ай бұрын
Is it true that, we have to pinch the end of stems new baby leaves?❤
@EdgeofNowhereFarm5 ай бұрын
I suppose you could do that to discourage growth vertically and try to encourage it to send out side shoots, but we prefer to prune during the season to feed our goats.
@telasims2335 ай бұрын
OMG the pigs are HUGE!!!! WHAT are you feeling them?
@EdgeofNowhereFarm5 ай бұрын
They eat just about everything, but it's mostly a mix of corn and pig feed...with the occasional table scrap and of course greens whenever we can!
@telasims2335 ай бұрын
@@EdgeofNowhereFarm that is TRUE ORGANIC 💯
@brainhunter10005 ай бұрын
Do you spray your grapes? Ours seem to be showing signs that a bug is eating some of the leaves. Also how much water are you running?
@EdgeofNowhereFarm5 ай бұрын
No, we don't put anything on the vines or grapes, so I wouldn't be able to advise you there. Right now we're watering once/week and each vine is getting about 12 gallons via drip irrigation.
@MWinklerBooks5 ай бұрын
Great video as always. Would you use this same process on all grape varieties? We have Tomson seedless.
@EdgeofNowhereFarm5 ай бұрын
Yes, we do the same thing with the Thompson grapes here on the farm. All grapevines really, but some are more aggressive than others and Thompson can be VERY aggressive with their growth!
@MWinklerBooks5 ай бұрын
Cool. Yeah, their little vine 'arms' are waiving all over the place right now. It feels like they grow a foot overnight XD Thanks so much.
@SirFoodie19045 ай бұрын
How long does it take for grapes to bare fruits? I would love to grow some in my backyard here in San Diego
@EdgeofNowhereFarm5 ай бұрын
We always thin our vines until year 2, but most varieties will attempt fruiting very early on. Oh and San Diego would have FANTASTIC weather for grapes. Not sure how far inland you are, but if you're usually socked in with May gray and June gloom you'll want to be extra careful to thin out the leaves to give plenty of sunlight into those clusters as they ripen. 😉
@KheamHem5 ай бұрын
@@EdgeofNowhereFarmAppreciate your swift response, my house is about 3 miles from the ocean, near Torrey Pines and Del Mar.
@EdgeofNowhereFarm5 ай бұрын
@@KheamHem ah ok. So you'll definitely want to do all you can to maximize that sunlight!
@KheamHem5 ай бұрын
May and June Gloom are the two best months to start planting I believe because starting in July it will get hot during the day and cools down during night time. I don’t have a large back yard or anything but I enjoy seeing the plants grow and reaping the harvest.
@taylorvanbuskirk80405 ай бұрын
First, people don't think about how many hundreds...if not THOUSANDS of years it's taken for people to know how to cultivate grapes, so they can produce the best grape for the best wine. You guys have done SO well with the little time you've been doing this. Second, I still wonder why the livestock love all the green leaves you give them to eat. I know what they would taste like for me (Yuck!)...I'm amazed they actually like them. Last, your ducks and geese need bigger ponds. I mean it...start digging. LOL!
@EdgeofNowhereFarm5 ай бұрын
It's funny, because we have a few viewers who have worked commercial vineyards and given us some great advice, but sometimes the advice contradicts one to the other! Eventually we'll have to figure out something more permanent for the ducks/geese. We're still trying to decide whether or not the ducks will remain part of the farm long term. The eggs are delicious, but they don't sell well and they lay very inconsistently. For the most part they're a drain on the farm more than a benefit. The geese on the other hand can remail as guardians for the chickens and they can actually go with very little water. Again, still trying to figure that out.
@dulce04035 ай бұрын
How do you keep birds and bugs from eating all your grapes?
@EdgeofNowhereFarm4 ай бұрын
We haven't had the need to do so recently, but we have netted the whole vines with bird netting in the past. One of the many advantages to this trellising as it's easy to cover the whole row with bird netting if needed.
@JynxieTheMermaid5 ай бұрын
I miss the bloopers and BTS... 😢
@EdgeofNowhereFarm5 ай бұрын
Hang in there. I'm sure there will be more to come!
@alikaraerik93324 ай бұрын
Great love your video. But you need to take care of yourselves, maybe a wide brimmed hat and long sleeve shirt just like plants we need to be protect you from the sun. Cheers😀
@EdgeofNowhereFarm4 ай бұрын
It's hard to tell, but we only work before 9am in the morning, so we prefer to get that sunshine for Vitamin D production. If we're out and about later than that we don the hats. 😉
@alikaraerik93324 ай бұрын
😀
@johac76375 ай бұрын
Spend afew hours on a 200 acre vineyard here in the Okanagan Valley, come to school.Your doing it wrong, come to school.
@EdgeofNowhereFarm5 ай бұрын
If we had the time I would love to get some of that experience. In the meantime, what should we be doing differently?
@johac76375 ай бұрын
@@EdgeofNowhereFarm there are clips that attach to the posts, you lower the wires during dormant, winter pruning time, then as you need to tuck you raise them, then hedge trim to keep them from being a out of control forest, them keep the SW side shaded, leaf pull on the SE side, the sunlight creates the Brix, also the leaves and sun create nutrients to travel up and down the plant structure, healthy plants create size, varieties are limited by genetics re size, bunch size is controlled by the nutrient stores in the roots during dormant, so for help with bunch size do a foliar after harvest, and fertiligate once or twice during winter, also in our AZ soil, as in high PH do a few heavy PH 5 waterings to flush the salts, bicarbonate away from rooting zones, AZ water, California, arid areas all have high salts, bicarbonate content, it a science that we deal with, grapes absolutely hate bicarbonate. Lots of arid farms that irrigate regularly use Sulphur burners , flushes salts, bicarbonate, not sure if you've noticed a slow decline after several years, and heavy manuring be it cover crops, animal manure, they add to salts, ist why we have Calichi, calcium, salts, lack of flushing water, then poor drainage causing Pytophra, root rot. I am looking for parts to weld up a sulphur burner, as it's hard to get 99% acid. Powder is cheap. So is soil sampling. But it's needed long term, plant diet, as human diet is critical for long term health, at least with soil we can heal it, our bodies aren't as forgiving. I'm looking out over thousands of acres of dead wine grapes, Jan. frost after plants were waking up. Sadly no plants available this year to replant.And areas aren't grape friendly due to we bottom lands, like over watering our AZ clay.
@johac76375 ай бұрын
@@EdgeofNowhereFarm look up JR clips for t posts, that's what they use for lowering the trellis wires, wood posts one nail to the post, are a plastic clip style.