Webinar Theology XIX: LGBT dalam Perspektif Psikologi Klinis - Zoya Amirin, M.Psi., FIAS.

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Dr zoya👍👍

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Ada yg sy setuju dengan Zoya, tapi ada jg yg sy tak setuju. Sy maklum karena psikologi bgmnapun ilmu yg dipengaruhi oleh teori2 dan sekolah sangat dikendalikan oleh teori2 apapun itu, apalgi panduan DSM dan PPDGJ 3 sdh mengeluarkannya dari kelainan/ gangguan jiwa. Sy sependapat bahwa homoseksual secara umum bukanlah penyakit ( kejiwaan ) walaupun secara khusus pada sebagian homoseks prilakunya thdp diri dan sosial yg destruktif bisa mengafirmasi penyimpangan , tapi saya sebagai orang yg berteologi Reformed bukan melihat dari situ, tetapi saya harus memandang homoseksual dari segi Hamartia. Hamartia ( dosa ) dalam pengertian asalinya artinya " meleset dari sasaran Allah " . Sejak awalnya Tuhan menciptakan manusia dengan 2 gender yg berbeda dengan maksudNya sendiri. Tetapi pasca taman eden, kita sekarang sudah berada dalam dunia yg sudah berbeda, yakni dunia yg sudah jatuh dalam dosa. Sehingga penyimpangan terjadi di segala sisi kehidupan mahluk hidup. Sejak awal Tuhan menciptakan dunia sempurna, sy ambil contoh misalnya fisik, tetapi sekarang ada banyak cacat fisik karna dunia kita sekrang tidak lagi dunia yg sama dengan pada mulanya. Sy tidak hendak mengatakan setiap yg lahir cacat fisik pasti karena dosa ( orang yang buta sejak lahir itu disembuhkan Yesus tapi bukan karena dosa, bandingkan Yohanes 9 : 1 - 4) tetapi sy hanya hendak mengatakan bahwa disorder / kerusakan/ ketidakteraturan terjadi sebagai akibat dosa masuk ke dalam dunia, maka dampak ikutannya merusak kemana2, termasuk melahirkan gaya hidup orang yg tak sehat, cara pandang, dunia yg rusak ekosistemnya, pencemaran lingkungan yg mengakibatkan penyakit2 trtentu dll. Penyimpangan itu dampak dari hamartia. Lalu Apakah LGBTQ tidak perlu disembuhkan ? Psikolog memang tidak memandang perlu sepanjang orangnya merasa nyaman. Tapi dari sudut pandang teologi, ilmu yg berpusat secara Theosentrik ( pada Tuhan ) maka setiap penyimpangan dari maksud Allah pada mulanya ( hamartia ) maka itu harus disembuhkan atau dipulihkan agar kita kembali pada tujuan Allah yg order, bukan disorder, yaitu manusia diciptakan menurut peta dan teladan Allah. Dalam banyak kesaksian, ada banyak homoseksual termasuk LGBTQ yg bisa kembali dipulihkan dan bisa menjalani hidup benar. Tapi harus diakui ada juga yg tidak bisa benar2 pulih atau benar2 bs mencintai lawan jenisnya ? Untuk orang2 speti ini solusinya bagaimana ? Cinta tidak harus berbentuk eros dan pelampiasan seksual. Cinta bs mewujud dalam segi2 yg indah kepada Tuhan dan sesama. Cinta agave, philia dst. Orang2 tsb bisa tetap mencintai dengan orientasi yg benar. Mungkin ia memang benar2 tdk bs dipaksa utk mencintai lawan jenisnya, tapi ia bisa menjalani selibat seumur hidupnya agar tidak jatuh dalam dosa LGBTQ sambil mengembangkan kasih kepada Tuhan dan sesama. Mengasihi Tuhan dan sesama itulah kepuasan yang tertinggi.

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Memang bukan penyakit, tapi Menyimpang normal itu bagaimana??

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The Bible says God prefers for people to be in LGBT relationships. God created them male and female, determined by gender, located in the brain (not sex-characteristics). Anyone that teaches the LIE of monetary tithing, sells anything using the gospel, or teaches that same-sex marriage is a sin CHOOSES to die with the wicked. Luke 10:7 states the only wages for ministering are eating and drinking whatever you are given. Also, know that rich people will all die. You can't be a Christian, sit on all kinds of money, watch your fellow brothers and sisters starve, suffer, or be homeless, choose to do nothing about it, and think that it's ok. Those are all wolves. Mathew 19:12 Eunuchs that are born that way are transgender. Eunuchs made that way by others were abused in some way and something inside of them blocks off a certain type of body but it doesn't happen to everyone that is abused. Those that choose to live like Eunuchs FOR THE SAKE OF THE KINGDOM OF HEAVEN are bisexual people that choose partners of the same sex-characteristics but opposite in regards to gender. Notice, it states God PREFERS for people to be in LGBT relationships. Leviticus, Corinthians, and Timothy were translated wrong by Billy Graham. Those verses are actually referring to pedophilia. Romans 1:27 All of the men were male in regards to gender, all of the women were female in gender. It is not referring to Eunuchs (where one partner is transgender). Also, it had nothing to do with marriage of any kind. They were trying to procreate during orgies so God did it on purpose. Anyone that continues to teach same sex marriage is a sin when the Bible says God prefers for people to be in LGBT relationships will also die by their own choice. In order to be a church building, the place must house people inside of it. Otherwise it is just another private money-making business part of Babylon that furthers satan's agenda. Stay out of the fake churches. I am Elijah of Malachi 4:5-6 and Acts 3:22-23 says it will come to pass that anyone that fails to listen to me will be UTTERLY destroyed from among the people. Again, everyone has a choice. And anyone that deletes my messages CHOOSES to reject Jesus Christ Himself and that means they also CHOOSE to die with the wicked. I am Elijah so that means any discrepancies in the holy books are ultimately decided by me. I am also to usher in the Messiah! Be ready: Jesus is coming back! WORLD PEACE IS COMING!! By the way, anything based on gender norms no longer applies. In fact, the last will be first and the first will be last. It's women that will be ruling the kingdom of heaven........ And rapture is not what most people think. Its when God's true people shine with the glory of God and are miraculously healed. Read Malchi 4:2-4 and the verses surrounding it........... Malachi 2 proves Malachi 3:8-11 is talking to the thieving church leaders. Every single major church and fake preacher on television knew since August of 2020 if they brought the money back they were never supposed to take for ministering then God would end Covvid but they love money so much they intentionally chose to kill everyone instead of repenting.. Sodom was bout rape and greed, nothing to do with marriage of any kind.....