PFL BUYS BELLATOR - WHAT HAPPENS NEXT? | Big John & Josh Thomson Weighing In

[@ericcastillo3785]

I just want to thank the 2 of you and Podcast Dave for the weekly content and if it wasn't for your analysis here on this show, I would have never watched Bellator or PFL. I hope you two continue with the broadcast team in some manner after this acquisition. Lastly, Happy Thanksgiving

[@Lord_of_the_Pies]

Is it a good thing or a bad thing that you watched bellator or pfl

[@eriklarson9137]

@@Lord_of_the_Pies I like John and Josh. I still haven't and won't watch Bellator or PFL. I don't watch feeder leagues for any pro sports. If you like to, that is fine.

[@Lord_of_the_Pies]

@@eriklarson9137 bellator and pfl is more of a league that takes washed up fighters instead of a feeder league

[@hybrid.catastrophic.impact6071]

​@eriklarson9137 Congratulations you only get to watch ufc and when ufc put together boring apex arena cards you are stuck. Also pfl and Bellator are not feeder leagues. Real mma fans can watch ufc, Bellator/pfl, KSW, One Championship.

[@hybrid.catastrophic.impact6071]

​@@eriklarson9137Bellator has elite fighters that have beaten former and current ufc champs and ranked ufc fighters. Magomed Magomedov(has a win against petr yan), Sergio Pettis(beat Brandon Moreno), Patchy mix, Rafeon stots, Alexander Shabily, Tofique musaev, Usman Nurmagomedov, Ctis cyborg, Leah McCourt(beat ufc ranked fighter Manon fiorot), Phil Davis(beat former ufc champ Glover texaira), Johnny Eblen, Amosov, Juan Archuleta, Kyoji Horraguchi 7-1, Aj McKee, Patricio Pitbull(starched number 5 ufc ranked Michael Chandler) Vadim Nemkov, amongst many others. Outside ufc top 15 most of the fighters are average. Ufc got a large percentage of elite fighters from other organizations. Eddie Alvarez came from Bellator, Jiri came from Rizin, Justin Gaetche came from WSOF(PFL now), Gamrot came from KSW, Alexander Volkov came from Bellator, I could go on. Bet you think Paddy Pimblet is elite because he is in the ufc, 😆 🤣 😂. BELLATOR Soren Bak beat Paddy Pimblet.Bellator Danny Sabatello beat UFC'S fighter Blackshear. PFL has a few elite fighters. Magomed magomedsheripov, Ray Cooper lll, Sadabu Sy(Sean Strickland admits that Sadabu Sy beats him in the gym, and he calls Sy one of the greatest strikers he has seen in mma), Nathan Schultz, Movlid Hybulaev(One of Khabibs training partners), Kayla Harrison, Denis Goldsov 37-7, Shane burgos(who was ranked in the ufc), Olivier Aubun Mercier, Chris Wade amongst few others.

[@nickzukowski4106]

This is the same PFL that banned elbow strikes and made Jake Paul "Head of Fighter Advocacy" . When you look at their whole league/playoff's system and listen to how they are going to structure their product going forward it becomes abundantly clear that they fundamentally do not understand mma or how to attract mma fans to their product.

[@eriklarson9137]

Correct. They are clueless and will join EliteXC soon.

[@hybrid.catastrophic.impact6071]

​@@eriklarson9137Nope. They are backed by the Saudis that have plenty money. Haters

[@emilja.4205]

Including those scammers Paul brothers really shows how respectable an organization PFL has become 🤣

[@GoForItAlways]

I honestly didn’t know where to find bellator on tv saw it a hand full of time in the last 5 years

[@ItsEvaaaaaaaaaan]

It was always live on their KZbin channel

[@baosommurr4566]

​@ItsEvaaaaaaaaaan 😂 he's talking about the main card!!! You know no one care about bellator when pirate sites don't even stream your 💩 🤣🤣

[@stevildeleon8467]

Imo the more you watch fights..you'll find the promotion.. brothers/sisters KZbin... Friday Fights onefc.. muay thai,kick boxing and MMA. holy shit. Fights off the hook.. the Thai translator brings it. Those guys fight..

[@stevildeleon8467]

This friday.. main event 😲 brutal

[@omarisawesome1996]

It was on showtime but showtime is now also bankrupt.

[@Daemn13]

I watch a lot of pfl and bellator fights but neither are the promotional juggernaut the UFC is. Bellator has a lot of great fighters but they don't put the butts in seats comparatively and that's due to the promotional side of things. Not the talent or depth. They build up characters like sean o'malley and izzy and fill espn and other things with ad space so casuals can relate or connect. That's the biggest difference to me. What they need to start with big blockbuster fights to drum up interest then keep it going if they want to co lead.

[@carmelohernandez5171]

I agree with everything you said. Biggest concern was the fact that their CEO said co-lead. He doesn’t want to be the champ. He just wants a seat at the table. Once he stated co-lead it told me that he doesn’t believe that they could lead one day.

[@duramaxdad]

Either look over confident and say we can take over UFC or be reality based with fact of huge losses annually for both companies and realize 2 losers grouped together is a larger loser but a gainer in the mma space when they turn it around.

[@hybrid.catastrophic.impact6071]

​@@duramaxdadLosers? That's hater talk. Bellator has the biggest European market especially Dublin Ireland l. Can't wait for the merger to shut ufc stans up. Face it, ufc ain't the only game in town. One championship going strong too

[@ElCyberWizard]

Ufc doesn’t even catch the attention of most casuals. What is pfl going to do. Most people don’t even know that’s a thing

[@hybrid.catastrophic.impact6071]

Pfl plus Bellator huge European following will get the job done.

[@cave129]

28:34 According to Javier Mendez,Movlid has retired due to injuries.

[@mysticranger6894]

Will Josh Thompson make a comeback on the limited ppv series under Bellator? They need attractions! Big John can ref!

[@Lord_of_the_Pies]

Lol

[@iceKOId]

Josh can still probably whoop 30% of the UFC lightweights. He was a real fighter, these new guys are point fighters and aren’t nearly as tough.

[@hybrid.catastrophic.impact6071]

​@@iceKOIdJosh was a beast and the only one to finish diaz.

[@frankiecal3186]

Master Bader will be having flash backs of fighting Rumble when he fights Francis.

[@hybrid.catastrophic.impact6071]

If he wrestles he can win, but it would be boring. I'd rather see Linton Vassell vs Ngannou

[@semlapa9864]

Happy for PFL + Bellator merger but tbh UFC prelims are better than their main cards most of time

[@Thunderfist_McBeefcake]

Contender series is better than PFL and Bellator 😂

[@DudeWithTheFro1]

If u love mma that’s not true. Francis, dombele, Usman, Patrick’s, cyborg, Sy, Johnny, I can go on and on how many pfl and bellors guys are as good if not better then champs in the ufc. Unless u casual and watch ufc ppvs fights

[@jordanrussell5797]

@@DudeWithTheFro1even if you love mma, bellator and PFL events are definitely on average significantly much less entertaining than UFC. Not always, but nearly always.

[@iceman1bentley763]

@@jordanrussell5797I agree PFL/Bellator may have a good co or even main event but for the most part it’s not very entertaining

[@duramaxdad]

Bellator looks like a local show with a tv distribution deal. Chael Sonnen.

[@uk1914]

Josh brother. per Coach Jav. Movlid Retired.

[@Chief_Red_Cloud]

PFL- Big financial losses every yr; Now it acquires a 2nd Biz w/ Big Losses; looks like a "Pump N Dump" scheme??

[@hybrid.catastrophic.impact6071]

False. They are backed by the Saudis, plenty money. Now be quiet

[@hybrid.catastrophic.impact6071]

Ufc has that stigma of fixing fights for the popular money bringing stars. Ufc over charges their stans. Lol

[@potcake365]

If the broadcast teams merged together, would you guys prefer to call the domestic or international fights going forward? Hopefully, the brand joining together creates more opportunities for everyone in both companies

[@mariovilla7329]

Josh, 208 here, hope to meet you someday with my boy. Lucca Villa, Idaho wrestling! Love your work mi amigo! 💪🏾

[@Senseijohn84]

The PFL and Bellator need to rebrand as one. Both products are not good and the PFL is pretty much unwatchable. If I'm a top guy at Bellator I'm trying to get out of my contract and sign with the UFC. Dana has absolutely nothing to worry about if the PFL continues with the same confusing, unnecessary format. Also, the main thing these other organizations who want to compete with the UFC don't seem to get is the UFC is in the entertainment business first, they sell celebrities and drama. Most UFC "fans" are drama addicted, keyboard warriors who need their daily gossip fix. The actual fights are secondary. The PFL has gotta tackle that to crossover into the mainstream.

[@user-hh7wy8vg5v]

I fully agree with you. Also the UFC branded themselves so good that they can lose superstars and keep going and find more. Most casuals think people “train UFC” not mma. lol. Also other organizations spent a bunch of money on fighters right away without building their brand and went bankrupt, example Affliction. Paid the fighters a ton of money and went under quickly.

[@GlenBeck-ym7iv]

I hope the both of you stick with PFL and continue in some capacity ❤

[@drbray]

The pod we have been waiting for. Watching during my morning poo in NZ

[@duramaxdad]

I hope everything came out ok for ya bud.

[@drbray]

@@duramaxdad hahahaha

[@lordkira9791]

I hope Dave’s son is fine. As a new dad with a 7mo old son, I am now a pussy who’s scared of everything

[@bobs437]

Guys, it’s called “Merger” not “Merging”.

[@Sssensei11]

it kinda sucks cause to me Bellator was WAAY better than PFL..

[@GodannarJunkie]

Some of the things PFL is doing with the merger is good some bad. BUT the main thing for me is if it isn’t on ESPN+ then I’m not watching. I used to watch it ALL but dammit I’m tired of paying for different platforms to TRULY follow the sport. I watch the big fights in Bellator if I can find them on you tube but I’m not paying for multiple platforms. The UFC I get to watch EVERY week (for the most part) and I pay $80 a month for the PPV. PFL/Bellator on ESPN+ or no watch for me.

[@yourfavoriteentertainment]

It is on ESPN +

[@duramaxdad]

We found a ppv purchaser. Tremendous.

[@hybrid.catastrophic.impact6071]

Ufc r*ping their fans with the cost of pay-per-view

[@tetsuaburaya4613]

Imo I don’t want to see the point tournament thingy when the acquisition of the fighters take place.

[@iceman1bentley763]

Bader gets killed by Francis that’s a huge joke

[@hybrid.catastrophic.impact6071]

Bader ain't standing with Francis. Bader is 10 times the wrestler stipe is. Bader will wrestle all day. It would be boring

[@wadesedlacek8391]

I feel like this is only going to be better for us fans as the UFC will be more compelled to put together bigger fights and better cards.

[@tomwilson5721]

They already do that. Making even bigger cards only washes out other cards.

[@DM-sy4hg]

They reall can't put on better cards. They have so many fighters and are on the hook for a high number of events. The are spread very thin.

[@Cipher0ptic24]

To get more fans you’ve got to make the fights free and easy to watch. I never once considered buying paramount plus or showtime just to watch a bellator event. No other organization will survive being behind a pay wall all and the ufc putting on fight nights and contender series with espn+. If you’re going to be behind the paywall of any app it needs to be espn + or you’re not going to make it.

[@Cipher0ptic24]

Who the fuck had eblen beat to be ranked #1 at 185? Strickland dominated Izzy who has lapped his division in the ufc. Eblen don’t fight enough a year to rank higher than Strickland. #10 is more logical than #1

[@DM-sy4hg]

@@Cipher0ptic24 come on...Strickland is likely getting destroyed in his next fight. I have no idea who that opponent will be but I think he gets destroyed. Izzy has never looked worse. Not sure what was going on with him but that was his worst performance of his entire career by far.

[@activeunsub]

Somebody needs to tell Don Davis that making claims & giving opinions, even with confidence doesn't make them facts. PFLator needs to worry about getting their org/promotion running smoothly & profitably for the 1st time before they concern themselves with the UFC. It's like when Rosas was saying he can beat Aljo the champ at the time & all the top BWs before he was humbled by Rodriguez. Focus on more immediate challenges.

[@hybrid.catastrophic.impact6071]

Don't worry about Bellator/PFL they are backed by the Saudis. Real mma fans are happy

[@Sssensei11]

i get you guys don’t like Eblen so low in MMA rankings but he doesn’t even have that many fights yet and the most impressive guy he’s beaten is a past his prime Gegard. and struggled in his last fight.

[@RamiroBerumen510]

I’ll stay listening y’all the best

[@RamiroBerumen510]

And still

[@tommydaniel5563]

Thanks Josh for carrying the show by yourself. Thanks to big john for showing up.

[@6WaysToSomeday]

The PFl Champs have little to no chance against the top contenders of Bellator, let alone the champions. To offset the impending rout, they should match their remaining top contenders against the babied/groomed Bellator fighters, who of course have win streaks/good starting records: Cieran Clarke, Sullivan Cauley, Roman Faraldo, Davion Franklin, etc.

[@js_toyo_club]

For derek brunson to be a good wrestler with such a poor gas tank, its almost unheard of

[@app369]

Now they fire big John and Josh and hire Brian Stann to work with Mauro

[@duramaxdad]

Rumor or fact or proposition?

[@christypan2556]

I need some of that big John intro energy. Also wishing podcast Dave and family well (even if it is just a minor thing)

[@mickypineda6572]

🙏🏼

[@jvanek8512]

Actually I find it annoying. He keeps cutting off and talking over Josh and it was kind of disturbing how he was laughing when Josh was trying to talk about Dave's situation.

[@eriklarson9137]

@@jvanek8512 Virtue signal received.

[@manx1569]

John Gooden, great commentator, he should be used more often

[@youtubeconnollyfamily]

I’m so damn excited to start watching PFL now. Seeing the champs going against the champs.

[@hybrid.catastrophic.impact6071]

Yes indeed

[@dogstar5927]

I love mma but I never paid for any mma event except for UFC events. The rest I watched free on YT

[@Jay-vr8it]

So u guys got fired? Lol?

[@DM-sy4hg]

It's for the best. Neither organization was going to grow. The UFC has too many fighters under lock and key. My only disappointment here is the they are reportedly keeping the name "Bellator" which is a terrible mistake. Just such an awful name that should have been dropped years ago.

[@acecool72]

I just hope they market the fights better that’s one thing the UFC is great you know when there a is a fight card on

[@DM-sy4hg]

@@acecool72 I agree...but man...seriously. That avatar of yours is so cringe. Change it. Seriously. Wow.

[@hajiee]

Theyll drop the belator name soon, theyre only keeping it to pretend to be kind. Since kindness is the only thing they have to offer. Its crazy pfl doesnt have a weight class for patchy and eblen.

[@larrytate1657]

@@hajiee idk Bellator name has been built up over the last years. They make keep it the first year or two.

[@omarisawesome1996]

Yep. Nobody knows what a "belletor" is. Apparently it is latin for warrior.

[@GoForItAlways]

How does this channel,and believe you me not have such low number of followers? yet Chael sonnen has so many I’m a fan of all of them but let’s be honest most of Chaels stuff is him just saying a whole lot of nothing! I guess his short clips do well with people having a short attention span probably

[@rikki6]

I think they got shadow banned somehow or something. I really enjoy most mma shows. Other than new MMA hour. Ariel got too cocky working for ESPN.

[@GoForItAlways]

@@rikki6 yea I agree I honestly can’t stand Ariel anymore, used to watch him when he was with DC but now something about it is very cringey he reminds me of the teachers pet type person that tells on everyone and cry’s victim when they get beat up

[@rikki6]

@@GoForItAlways I even sorta watched it if he had someone on I was interested in until he tried to get dc to shit on ufc and got butt hurt when dc told him off. Only watched the uncle chael one for shits and giggles.

[@GoForItAlways]

@@rikki6 yea that’s about it for me too at this point with Chael but I will say he is a book of knowledge when it comes to wrestling learned alot about stuff that might be useless knowledge but still appreciate it

[@rikki6]

@GoForItAlways I meant the Ariel Hoewhiney Uncle Chael interview. Seen Bisping ask him about it and had to go check it out. I'm all for Uncle Chaels videos especially if someone tries insulting him.

[@loonanite]

Hopefully it means we don't hear y'all doing any more commentary

[@Sssensei11]

i think Dana only talks about PFL is because someone ask him about it..

[@Dracus]

God bless you guys and your families🙏🏽Dave I hope you and your son are ok!

[@WilliamSmallacombe]

Big John’s idea makes sense, like a glorified contender series and then the PPV model for the main events.

[@DudeWithTheFro1]

This is exciting cus now pfl can compete now cus so many exciting fights. Francis, dombe, Usman, ect ect. Great fights plus ufc fighters will go over cus of the pay.

[@diluted8]

2:00 acquisition/merger

[@junipersnow1]

Brother Josh cannot Google the information on Johnny E being #1 in MMA rankings……That’s because there is no information on Bellator’s middleweights being number one.

[@williamandrews4251]

Maybe Josh should start hanging out with Goggins.He would get Josh in shape.

[@jvanek8512]

Goggins is going to get people killed

[@Youngmexico72]

Goggins and tony will get Josh right

[@bigwill585xx89]

The only thing about the PFL is, it’s very confusing to me, the “season” and “playoff” system to me is just weird in combat sports but idk maybe it will take off

[@acecool72]

Yeah half the time you see a bunch a rematches…that and you rarely see and advertising for their fights……half the time I find they have a card on by watching this podcast

[@Daddytronics]

They'll never come up with a more compelling format than the ufc's one lineal champ per weight division format

[@bigwill585xx89]

@@Daddytronicsyeah I agree 100%

[@jvanek8512]

@@Daddytronics the point of the PFL format was to be merit based rather than being a Dana White and making or denying fights based on his mood.

[@Daddytronics]

@@jvanek8512 I get that but it's less compelling. Dana and the match makers inject drama into proceedings, which generally results in compelling threads running through the lineages

[@gcoffey223]

Podcast Dave is worth his weight in gold

[@rogersocalbeaches5734]

Do they have enough fighters to do 1 show a week? Wednesday night 52 fights and 1 turnment per month. Joshes marketing plan was best,. I never watched the PFL. Dont understand it, but turnaments are good. They were better when the sport was not as developed as it is today. People know what they want to see. Sometimes the tournaments loose the best fighers.

[@randymakin477]

You guys are the best hands down i wish you well were ever your paths take you

[@CuddyMac]

Francis vs Jones is there. It can be made. As improbable as Francis vs Fury or Conor vs Mayweather. They became a thing. I'd pony up.

[@AJproductionsful]

I probably wouldn’t take Josh and John over if I was PFL.

[@chiquita683]

L Take

[@zekayman]

Why?

[@tipdalilgator77]

@@zekayman they aren't that good as live commentators. They can't pronounce names correctly, get lost when calling fights. Josh seems like a yes man when interviewing others and John acts like a know it all to those younger then him.

[@Sssensei11]

Bellator Big John: “you look and you go” PFL Big John: “you look and you say”

[@davidharcula2933]

Thk u big John ❤😂

[@ruanoosthuysen5002]

Guys stop the shocked looks on the thumbnail, it's getting stupid now, we get it

[@iceman1bentley763]

Do the fighters have a say in staying or leaving once there company has been bought or do you have to honor the entire contract the reason I ask is why ufc bought pride fador left for elite Xc or somewhere else

[@duramaxdad]

Yakuza does wtf they want. They owned or at least controlled Pride. UFC did the best they could w what they had. As a fighter u either honor and fulfill your contract or u don’t and face consequences.

[@bobs437]

Also, exchanging Stock is the same as being “minority owner”.

[@frankiecal3186]

"I train UFC. "- Zuffa Marketing

[@SubZero-vl6vm]

What exactly did PFL buy? from the interview with Dann Davis on the Ariel Helwani show PFL did not pay a single sent and Paramount bought share of PFL and ad Ariel sugar coated are now minority owners. Chael Sonnen said that this is different than UFC acquiring Strikeforce. I think PFL does not have the right to the trademark name Bellator. What PFL has is that it can boaster their roster and now have elite fighters to make mega fights and compete with UFC.

[@DM-sy4hg]

What did I just read? They sold Bellator to the PFL for shares instead of cash. PFL didn't have to use cash at all and yes they own the Bellator name, which they should throw out anyways.

[@backbone93]

Stop watching chael sonnen

[@DM-sy4hg]

@@backbone93 chael's bad opinions are delivered with such confidence and lack of self awarness that many of his fans just accept it all has absolute truth.

[@Barlorick]

Josh "The Congested" Thomsonnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnn

[@steverorison665]

It was every young mixed material artist's dream coming up wrestling thru high-school, learning how to strike on their off time Man I want to make it to Bellator. Bellator was ass and terribly promoted

[@hybrid.catastrophic.impact6071]

Bellator has the biggest European market especially Dublin Ireland. Bellator has the 2nd best mma roster. Bellator is still here and great

[@merle4514]

PFL just killed them both, the fighters lose in this deal in long run, pfl gonna try compete and overpay fighters till they fold, bellator was better at promoting then pfl, PFL was already a confusing format, now they just add 3 more different shows, no idea how to sell PPV either, Jake Paul and ngannou? Jake Paul struggling to sell PPV in boxing lol, ngannou may have some extra hype now but still hasn’t proved he can sell the kind of PPV to pay out 8-10 million 🤷‍♂️ my opinion anyways

[@tommydaniel5563]

You need a1 for Dave !

[@CrushDontRush]

Side Note : After this fight with Aspen Kayla will be free agent btw

[@BambiDebbieWoods]

😮

[@AgentActive]

PFL is making a mistake by not having their “Europe” brand brand broadcasted in North America

[@acecool72]

I get what Josh is saying by they have to make a profit…….yeah can’t stay around for a long time if you constantly lose money unless your subsidized by another company like the wnba

[@hybrid.catastrophic.impact6071]

Bellator has the biggest European market especially Dublin Ireland.

[@philthyco1]

The Bellator crew should still host all the Bellator events

[@iceKOId]

1:14:05 true

[@tannermcguire7713]

They need to throw that season BS out the window, make it like the bellator or use the ufcs model of individual fights

[@millehugo2879]

57:57 don't forget that francis has negotiated 2 million pay for his opponents

[@nutmegriot209]

12:23 losing attitude. while true, there can always be better. he didn't even create the sport. one day his words will be old (regardless of pfl)

[@frankiecal3186]

Josh took too much damage or is getting dementia he can't remember sh!t. Podcast Dave superior.

[@hybrid.catastrophic.impact6071]

Got dementia doing something you could never do, not even in your dreams

[@frankiecal3186]

@hybrid.catastrophic.impact6071 Oh, I didn't know his boyfriend was here.

[@hybrid.catastrophic.impact6071]

@@frankiecal3186 You wouldn't because you are an incel, a repellent to women.

[@guernica8487]

Of course I'd pick Frankie Murder to beat Bader but I actually think Bader would take the fight, train and believe he could win in the true spirit of fighting. On the other hand, he's guaranteed $2m to fight Francis under Francis' contract so worst case, go out there, run across the ring and shoot for a flying gogoplata then tap to 2 or 3 strikes. Fck I'd love that opportunity.

[@duramaxdad]

U would need to have the dedication and commitment plus athletic ability to b offered millys for anything. But yeah I’d take that loss for millys anyday.

[@hybrid.catastrophic.impact6071]

Bader is an elite wrestler, dude is gonna be shooting for takedowns and is 10x better at wrestling than stipe.

[@ritchieelgar545]

Imagine if pfl card was 5 dollars maybe then they would of done something big then the ufc fans would say oh look I can get similar content for way less price that would of done good for pfl but with the 50 $ price tag it’s gonna do horrible. Even with it being on ESPN the pfl name hasn’t proven anything to it’s fans to justify 50$. They should do a couple free events get people invested in the product then for the couple big ones u start doing ppv but u gotta gain some momentum up to it not just flat out give me 50$ that’s my problem.

[@Jesse-hk8ls]

24:00 One FC does that in their Friday night fights. Josh straight up stealing ideas. Go back to one fc bro.

[@iceKOId]

1:23:19 I disagree about Kayla. She has proven she DOESNT SELL (last year PPV) and she just put on ANOTHER snooze fest . Cyborg sells. Kayla no

[@HanoiHustler]

One should merge too.

[@williamandrews4251]

One great thing about the PFL's acquisition of Bellator is we get to see some great fights,pure and simple.

[@Imalwaysright412]

Name 6 of them

[@hybrid.catastrophic.impact6071]

@@Imalwaysright412 Better than ufc fixed fights and propaganda.

[@hybrid.catastrophic.impact6071]

@@Imalwaysright412 Magomed magosheripov vs Jason Jackson, Vadim Nemkov vs Rob Wilkinson or Thiago Santos, Cyborg vs Kayla Harrison, Aj McKee vs Brendan lochnane, Usman Nurmagomedov vs OAM, Leah McCourt(beat ufc ranked Manon fiorot) vs Larissa Pacheco, Chris wade vs Pitbull. There's 7.

[@rogersocalbeaches5734]

Add two belts and let people fight for it, that simple.

[@theviolentone]

*movlid already retired according to Javier podcast*

[@uncle_creepy2743]

Dang I could have bought belator 😅😅😅

[@hybrid.catastrophic.impact6071]

Nope. The Saudis invested more than $100 million in this merger. This is good for the growth of mma. Dana drunk freaking out with some fake cringe laughter when reporters mention pfl/Bellator. Ufc will never be the only mma organization, that would be terrible for the sport. Ufc keep showing watered down low energy apex arena trash cards

[@acecool72]

ESPN controls the price of UFC pay per views too

[@kasrasaddad925]

PFL has a unique potential that many people don't realize yet. This unique potential comes from the fact that they have Cedric Doumbe (Still very green in MMA). That man has the chance to really bring a lot of eyes and interest to PFL (PSG was at PFL Europe), not to mention all the amazing talent they have and just acquired with Bellator. They can dominate certain areas of the EU market and Cedric can be a global star if he keeps winning against greater opponents. I recommend that if you haven't watched Cedric Doumbe's first PFL Europe fight check it out, watch the whole walk out and face to face before beautiful KO

[@user-hf1ce4ph6d]

I was at bellator 301, and it was amazing. I saw big John doing his thing in the ring. You towered over everyone else in that cage. I wish we had more mma events in Chicago.

[@billthebutcher5549]

It will never work when 90% of the public don't give a shit about Bellator or PFL champs.You can have 100% of MMA fans caring and you will still not make money.Without the public caring the business will never make money.I blame Scott on this being Mr nice guy in business never works.Losing Bjorn Rebney was what hurt Bellator Scott might be one of the most overrated guys in MMA

[@natertotgaming1246]

I don’t see pfl getting that big honestly

[@iceman1bentley763]

I don’t think Francis beats Jon or Tom he’s very good but he’s not that young either

[@kcx94]

Y’all are unemployed now

[@hybrid.catastrophic.impact6071]

They both have businesses, plus Don Davis wants to keep all the Bellator staff

[@Leavemealone-]

Saying the pfl is a co leader is crazy. Big talk from people who’ve only spent money haven’t made any.

[@DM-sy4hg]

"Dana is great at what he does." I hear that a lot, but is he really? I mean, he had two billionaires in the beginning, who dumped truck loads of money behind the UFC. In that circumstance, anyone could have succeeded. He won the "friend lottery" and is still riding that wave now that the UFC is this unstoppable juggenaut.

[@DonHaze]

he turned those truck loads of money in to boat loads. Dana had to fight hard to get UFC to where it is today, sure many people maybe could have done it but that doesn't take away the fact that he is great at what he does

[@DM-sy4hg]

@@DonHaze well, no he didn't. The brothers put up all the money, and the fighters did all the work. White simply rode it all to the top. The guy won the lottery.

[@DonHaze]

@@DM-sy4hg sure i mean if you want to be ignorant of everything Dana actually did you can say that.

[@DM-sy4hg]

@@DonHaze ignorant? G f y. We are just talking here and you break into insults when someone disagrees with you? Goh then. I want to talk to people with confidence and valid opinions. You aren't that guy.

[@Fitzmaie]

If someone gave you billions of dollars you’d be broke in 5 years.

[@LeonardTaylor700]

This at the end of the day is good for those fighters… they still have a job 🙏🏾

[@J.CagleMMA]

Not all of them

[@LeonardTaylor700]

@@J.CagleMMA Respectfully what do you mean? Will most of them be cut? Or is less pay? I’m interested because I thought this was a good move but I’m not educated on the politics when it comes to these decisions

[@junipersnow1]

JOB - Just Over Broke

[@LeonardTaylor700]

@@junipersnow1 damn man, after 7 hours research… this actually is not looking good for the fighters

[@AgentActive]

PFL can’t keep their 4 fights a year with top level talent Can’t have top guys having bangers and then fighting against 6 weeks later The pfl tournaments are lame compared to the bellator ones

[@acecool72]

BSD against green

[@davstoops]

I wish big john was still refereeing.

[@alexgeorgakopoulos1751]

I love fox hat dig John!!!!alex from greece

[@olaf3478]

That plane its going to crash for sure without podcast Dave

[@user-je7sw3qs5m]

Yall are delulu if u think bellator fighters can hang w ufc fighters

[@hybrid.catastrophic.impact6071]

Bellator literally has elite fighters that have beaten former and current ufc champs. Bellator has elite fighters that have beaten former and current ufc champs and ranked ufc fighters. Magomed Magomedov(has a win against petr yan), Sergio Pettis(beat Brandon Moreno), Patchy mix, Rafeon stots, Alexander Shabily, Tofique musaev, Usman Nurmagomedov, Ctis cyborg, Leah McCourt(beat ufc ranked fighter Manon fiorot), Phil Davis(beat former ufc champ Glover texaira), Johnny Eblen, Amosov, Juan Archuleta, Kyoji Horraguchi 7-1, Aj McKee, Patricio Pitbull(starched number 5 ufc ranked Michael Chandler) Vadim Nemkov, amongst many others. Outside ufc top 15 most of the fighters are average. Ufc got a large percentage of elite fighters from other organizations. Eddie Alvarez came from Bellator, Jiri came from Rizin, Justin Gaetche came from WSOF(PFL now), Gamrot came from KSW, Alexander Volkov came from Bellator, I could go on. Bet you think Paddy Pimblet is elite because he is in the ufc, 😆 🤣 😂. BELLATOR Soren Bak beat Paddy Pimblet.Bellator Danny Sabatello beat UFC'S fighter Blackshear. PFL has a few elite fighters. Magomed magomedsheripov, Ray Cooper lll, Sadabu Sy(Sean Strickland admits that Sadabu Sy beats him in the gym, and he calls Sy one of the greatest strikers he has seen in mma), Nathan Schultz, Movlid Hybulaev(One of Khabibs training partners), Kayla Harrison, Denis Goldsov 37-7, Shane burgos(who was ranked in the ufc), Olivier Aubun Mercier, Chris Wade amongst few others.

[@hybrid.catastrophic.impact6071]

Ufc has paddie pimblet 😂😂😂. Bellator Soren Bak already beat him. Manon fiorot is undefeated in the ufc and only lost to Bellators Leah McCourt. Magomed Magomedov beat petr Yan. Sergio Pettis beat Brandon Moreno, Phil Davis and Corey Anderson destroyed former ufc champ Glover texaira. Corey Anderson destroyed number 5 ranked Johnny walker. I can give you more

[@youtubeconnollyfamily]

Pfl should hire you guys as matchmakers.

[@bojan1999]

I don't think they have matchmakers. They do tournaments.

[@tylersdurdenisastupidname9727]

Nice

[@applebottomjeans1951]

You guys said Conors last fight was a year ago. It was July 10th 2021. It's been almost 2.5 years. Love the podcast guys, keep em coming

[@iceman1bentley763]

Bader couldn’t hang with the ufc LHW let alone HW that’s why Bellator is what it is an the UFC is the best promotion period

[@hybrid.catastrophic.impact6071]

False. Bader was top 7 in the ufc and was 15-5 when he left. Ufc has a lot of low level fighters outside the top 10. Ufc just has the biggest media machine. Bellator has elite fighters that have beaten former and current ufc champs and ranked ufc fighters. Also Bader is much better at heavyweight where he doesn't have to cut weight l, big difference. He never fought at heavyweight in the ufc, or he could have been champion there with his superior wrestling like how Brock Lesnar became champion

[@hybrid.catastrophic.impact6071]

Bellator has elite fighters that have beaten former and current ufc champs and ranked ufc fighters. Magomed Magomedov(has a win against petr yan), Sergio Pettis(beat Brandon Moreno), Patchy mix, Rafeon stots, Alexander Shabily, Tofique musaev, Usman Nurmagomedov, Ctis cyborg, Leah McCourt(beat ufc ranked fighter Manon fiorot), Phil Davis(beat former ufc champ Glover texaira), Johnny Eblen, Amosov, Juan Archuleta, Kyoji Horraguchi 7-1, Aj McKee, Patricio Pitbull(starched number 5 ufc ranked Michael Chandler) Vadim Nemkov, amongst many others. Outside ufc top 15 most of the fighters are average. Ufc got a large percentage of elite fighters from other organizations. Eddie Alvarez came from Bellator, Jiri came from Rizin, Justin Gaetche came from WSOF(PFL now), Gamrot came from KSW, Alexander Volkov came from Bellator, I could go on. Bet you think Paddy Pimblet is elite because he is in the ufc, 😆 🤣 😂. BELLATOR Soren Bak beat Paddy Pimblet.Bellator Danny Sabatello beat UFC'S fighter Blackshear. PFL has a few elite fighters. Magomed magomedsheripov, Ray Cooper lll, Sadabu Sy(Sean Strickland admits that Sadabu Sy beats him in the gym, and he calls Sy one of the greatest strikers he has seen in mma), Nathan Schultz, Movlid Hybulaev(One of Khabibs training partners), Kayla Harrison, Denis Goldsov 37-7, Shane burgos(who was ranked in the ufc), Olivier Aubun Mercier, Chris Wade amongst few others.