Weird Scenes Inside Laurel Canyon with Dave McGowan. Rock and Roll Conspiracy or Coincidence?

The late great Dave McGowan speaks with me about Laurel Canyon, the music and the myth, Charles Manson, the films stars of the era, and mysterious military installation, Lookout Mountain Laboratory. Bands like The Doors, Love, The Byrds, The Monkeys and Frank Zappa and the Mothers would all rise from the same scene and give birth to the hippie subculture that may not have been as organic as it appeared.
Dave himself describes the central thesis of his book Weird Scenes Inside the Canyon: Laurel Canyon, Covert Ops & The Dark Heart of the Hippie Dream this way, “the music and counterculture scene that sprung to life in the 1960s was not the organic, grassroots resistance movement that it is generally perceived to be, but rather a movement that was essentially manufactured and steered. And a scene that was supposed to be all about peace, love and understanding had a very dark, violent underbelly that this book attempts to expose.”
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[@BecomeUncancellable]

This upload cut off the end where Dave joked that buying an autographed copy of his book from him "would be worth a lot when they off him". The line has certainly turned very eerie in light of his death. That was a nice tribute to Dave at the end here though.

[@wisdomoftheearlychristians2037]

This was great! I read this book years ago, and it blew me away. It also answered a lot of questions I had of things that never made sense. I just want to say you'd be surprised how many of us (me included) come from these old families. I'm related to at least 13 Presidents, and direct descendant of the Mercereau spy ring. (The very first 5 spies under Washington. My mother's family fought in every military conflict since the Revolutionary war, and both my uncles and aunts! were in WW2. They weren't in Vietnam only because they were in during the Cuban missile crisis and had just gotten out. My father was a naval officer, but no one in his family spoke about their service and when he tried to look into it, he was told his whole family's records were classified. Now we weren't rock stars, but still, we have that same secretive military weirdness, which was one of the things that interested me about the book. The whole 60s Hippie revolution, imho, was neither more nor less, than destroying the fabric of society, destroying the home and parents as an authority so we could get to where we are now. Your child isn't your child anymore; they're a brand on TikTok.

[@jaysonstinson9458]

good comment here. i completely agree with your honest opinion regarding the hippie revolution. i'd say by the time the sixties rolled around, our country had already been mostly subverted by a very wicked tribe of people. that same tribe of people now has us, people like you and me, slated for complete erasure. why else are we constantly being demonized within every single mainstream entity that exists throughout the entirety of Western Civilization? our countries, history and culture are currently being destroyed in a very sinister and systematic fashion. most of our people are utterly programmed, conditioned, propagandized and brainwashed.

[@karlpetersenstock]

How can you be related to 13 predidents ?? Sounds like a bit of a far reach 🤔

[@karlpetersenstock]

🤔

[@reesedaniel5835]

@@karlpetersenstock Not really since all of the past presidents are themselves related.

[@rhondacranford7882]

​​@@karlpetersenstocka lot of Presdents are related..!

[@wtfgreg1246]

After listening to 10 minutes of this i ordered the book

[@jonesy2111]

Thanks for posting this Michael👍 Dave has had such a huge influence with his work (especially this book) on the truth movement it’s amazing

[@my1vice]

It's also interesting that none of these "anti-war", "anti-government" folks denounced their family's involvement.

[@jackblack8412]

Same as the other guy. I Listened to a billionaire tech exec on Rogan talk about this book and I think that proves there is a story here. I immediately looked up the book on KZbin and you had posted this video the day before. Perfect timing. The universe is in full alignment 😂

[@brandonJThornton]

I listened to the same Rogan podcast which brought me here!

[@Theanswerisblowinginthewind]

​@@brandonJThorntonSame 😊

[@mikedemike5393]

MCGOWN WAS A COKE HEAd WHO WROTE FOR ''CENTER FOR AN INFORMED AMERICA''WHICH WAS a front for CIA the same way ''continental airlines''was for drug running from Vietnam.

[@kauphaart0]

RIP Dave!

[@TheLindadb]

⁠:/

[@denroy3]

​his soul

[@caliblue2]

Neither conspiracy or coincidence. Facts.

[@MrTolandMusic]

you need to check what the word 'conspiracy' means. I think there's some secret, malevolent stuff going on, ie: people conspiring to do harm. McGowan calls it out and presents the facts.

[@user-sk4tw7kj2r]

“A lot o' people don't realize what's really going on. They view life as a bunch o' unconnected incidents 'n things. They don't realize that there's this, like, lattice o' coincidence that lays on top o' everything “

[@johncarroll1271]

Repo man Miller

[@happymood888]

Eddie Bravo was just talking about this on The Joe Rogan podcast I had to check it out

[@checkoutthebigbrainonbrad7668]

Same. The fact that the author kinda sounds like Norm McDonald makes it even better.

[@tukolo5408]

Edge Brah

[@WhoaBo]

I had this book years ago. McGowan was one of the first internet investigative journalists that really took the internet by storm in the 1990s and early 2000s....a real pioneer, really. Sad that he died recently.

[@donaldbulloch9426]

Gee a lot of young people’s parents were in the military and/or had government jobs. Ya don’t say. He literally connects nothing. In addition, Saying Chris Hillman, a musical giant who was playing multiple instruments when he joined the Byrds “couldn’t play” and yes he said that is the biggest load of bullshit I’ve read in a while. While he had not played bass previously, it took him about an hour to figure it out. He’s Chris Fucking Hillman, he is one of the most celebrated musicians in rock/folk/pop History. Just a retarded piece here.

[@Flat_Earth_Addy]

Eddie sounds like an idiot when he talks, but he knows SO much!

[@mementomori2540]

By no coincidence, this great author dies of cancer in the wake of this fantastic book.

[@AndrewJames91]

Yeahh that’s true it’s weird timing but…you can hear the smoker in that voice and his coughing laughs. Smokin kills..plus probably didn’t have a rosy outlook on life given his occupation

[@mikedemike5393]

what great author...he wrote a blog that sat along in the early internet...i remember i would get one search result looking for ''the mostly true story of laurel canyon''....it picked up steam 10 years later when all the rabbit hole dwellers started burrowing...he wrote for CIA///

[@terrikincaid9921]

He was the Best!! Love him and so sad that he is no longer with us!

[@Rockymountainhigh.357]

I just saw an old Rockford files episode about things going on with a vacant house with giant computers and a secret military base underground with computers too and it looked like it was in Laurel Canyon. At the end of the episode there was a disclosure about it being real the and about the base existing . I'm intrigued now with Laurel Canyon.

[@aaronmiller7954]

That actually happened almost exactly like the episode. I think it was towards the east coast though. They poetically filmed the show in California though

[@Shiyounin]

Season 4, Episodes 21 & 22, The House On Willis Avenue.

[@lucymorey93]

Lots of what were eventually called `hippies` started in Virginia City, NV and the clothing was what they found there: 19th century Western. It's true about the interest in the freaky audiences. Bill Graham put out word in the right places. That's how I got to see the great blues guitarist B.B. King in his first appearance in the western U.S. King was apprehensive about playing before a young, San Francisco audience but the audience Graham pulled in totally adored him.

[@barbaradolby2929]

This book is incredible. Just got it. I recommend it to everybody❤

[@gemini2459]

LOVE DAVE. I THINK HE WAS MURDERED. 🐦🐦🐦

[@byron3453]

A lot of people think so but people that knew him personally said he chain smoked 2-3 packs a day and if that's true he's probably the type of guy that would keep smoking even with cancer. My grandma kept smoking with lung disease till she passed

[@livingpurgatory3]

The timing was too strange. I believe he was murdered also. May the Lord have mercy upon his soul, and may the perpetual light shine upon him. May he rest in peace. Amen 🙏

[@byron3453]

@@livingpurgatory3 yeah, at the end of the interview the host mentioned he died on November 22, so that's weird

[@livingpurgatory3]

@@byron3453 whoa. Some coincidences with that date

[@gemini2459]

YES HE SMOKED ALOT, BUT HIS CANCER ADVANCED VERY FAST. HE WAS A DANGER TO THE CABAL. HE WAS A TRUTH TELLER & WAS DIGGING DEEP IN THEIR BACKYARD. HE KNEW THAT, BUT KEPT GOING ANYWAY. A REAL WARRIOR. DAVE WAS A GREAT ROLE MODEL. THE SOUND OF FREEDOM (MOVIE) IS PLAYING IN THEATRES NOW, SUPPORT THIS TRUTH ABOUT CHILD TRAFFICKING. THE WORLD NEEDS TO WAKE UP ABOUT HOW EVIL THESE BEINGS ARE. YOU KNOW THAT DAVE WOULD BE OUT THERE WITH A MEGAPHONE. WE ALL NEED TO STAND UP FOR THE CHILDREN. 🙏🙏🙏

[@MatewanMassacre]

It's interesting that you and Dave mentioned Bono near the end of this interview. I recently left a comment on another video, in which I asked: 'how did Bono go from being the man who sang "Pride: In the Name of Love," and "Sunday, Bloody Sunday," to being the overt spokesperson for global finance capital?' Even though the first song is about the assassination of Martin Luther King Jr., I always found it a little interesting that Bono didn't seem to know much about the killing of MLK. The song's lyrics tell us "Thursday morning, April 4th, a shot rings out, in the Memphis sky." Martin Luther King Jr. was assassinated at 6:01 P.M, yet Bono seems to believe that the killers struck sometime before noon? He, probably, also believes that James Earl Ray was the assassin, and would likely say as much, if asked about the murder. 🤦‍♂

[@stewartcash555]

Check out the book " the Front Man"

[@cattycorner8]

Can't believe all the vids now about Laurel Canyon. I love it, but it's a little mind blowing after all this time. McGowan's book is the penultimate guidge to Laurel Canyon.

[@Brenden083]

Dave is an absolute legend! Rest easy... So thankful to lsten back to these interviews. Timeless reverberations echoing on into todays cult-ure and entertain-ment. (Ment) latin for mind. Thanks Dave🙏🏼 and Host MP!

[@augustusbetucius2931]

Neil Peart said his ten favorite drummers were Hal Blaine. He never said anything about being depressed. He meant it seriously, but it was meant with humor and wit.

[@augustusbetucius2931]

As to Manson, he had a lot of help with everything he did while in L.A. and even San Francisco before that. He was welcomed, initially, by Dennis Wilson. Everyone else, Terry Melcher, and virtually everyone else in Laurel Canyon/L.A. tried to avoid him, and to keep him away from them. To find out about all the help Manson had from a variety of official sources, you need to read "Chaos" by Tom O'Neill. They weren't nearly as much a part of the scene as McGowan makes Manson and the Family out to be.

[@carrieolsen7630]

This is mind blowing, thank you so much for speaking out

[@thejvarleyexperience643]

Davey Jones was at the Ed sullivan theatre the same night the Beatles first performed, coincidentally? I think not

[@mrsentinel4911]

Dave signed my copy of the book. It's sad that he's gone.

[@MatthewGill-nv4tb]

Before I came across his laurel canyon stuff Dave had a website called The state department. There was a section called "sauduction" Amazing stuff. His level of being able to recall tiny bits of history and never forget it was what first really motivated me to pay attention more and more

[@user-iy2re8ug8o]

Carol Kaye best bass player of all time and a damn good guitarist too disrespected by the very studio she helped make legendary

[@Suchapill]

She made BIG coin from what I heard. She and Glenn Campell made the most studio loots cause they were monstas.

[@majinblood6133]

CK - 33

[@brandonJThornton]

I am going to get the book this week! ✊

[@augustusbetucius2931]

He's seriously wrong about the Byrds. Does he *not* have any idea how many bass players started on other instruments? Paul McCartney; guitar to bass, Phil Lesh; trumpet to bass, Geddy Lee; guitar to bass. There are an endless list of bass players that started on another instrument. Chris Hillman being able to play mandolin, it wasn't a stretch for him to quickly learn bass. As a professional guitarist of forty years, I know of what I speak. Michael Clark, as I recently discovered, had some experience playing drums, not just bongos. That the Wrecking Crew played on their first record was normal. The Beach Boys didn't play instruments, except for Brian Wilson playing some piano. That was standard for the times. Same for the Monkees, who had a solid ryhthm guitar player in Michael Nesmith, and Peter Tork played guitar and banjo. But the Wrecking Crew were always hired, as they could learn or even write, then record two to three songs in just a couple of hours. There wasn't time to waste, so that's why the Wrecking Crew played, even when the band or band members in question could play. The way he misrepresents and distorts Chris Hillman moving from mandolin to bass is seriously ignorant, whether willful or not. If he's misrepresenting and distorting the issue here, I have to question the rest of the information he presents here and elsewhere. If you can play one stringed instrument, you have enough finger independence and ear to hear how a different stringed instrument functions. Sure there was a period of transition, but it wouldn't have taken very long for him. If Phil Lesh can go from trumpet to bass, then Chris Hillman could easily move from mandolin to bass.

[@majinblood6133]

The lab was most certainly used as a one stop factory to pump out their creations (rock and roll)

[@johndaugherty4127]

And LSD

[@brn2579]

Probably a lot of Hollywood films too. The military became heavily involved with Hollywood film propaganda during WW2 with the Office of War Information (OWI).

[@MatewanMassacre]

I was already into this sphere of research when I just happened across Dave McGowan, and his work. Behavioral modification, mind control, induced trauma, RHIC-EDOM, and a plethora of mind-altering drugs are being used, by members of the Nat'l Security State, to traumatize the American People, terrorize them, and make them afraid/suspicious of one another, through planned or induced random violence. It's unfortunate that Dave wasn't around, or into this work, during the 70s and 80s, when Mae Brussell was doing her thing. She was exploring these same lines, nearly 50 years ago, which can be traced back to the Nazification of America, during and immediately after World War 2.

[@johndaugherty4127]

Or, the askinazification of the U.S.

[@MatewanMassacre]

@@johndaugherty4127 Well, I recently discovered that Romanian Iron Guard commander, and SS member, Otto Von Bol Schwing (in fact, he was Eichmann's superior), was working with the Americans in the wake of WW2. His job, it turns out, was working with the OSS, to help move members of 'displaced persons camps' out of Eastern Europe, to Palestine. If you know anything about those camps, they were a ruse, that helped thousands of Nazis avoid detection by the Red Army, and scattered hundreds of thousands of them all over the West, as well as in the modern-day Israel. Von Bol Schwing, I should note, lived out the rest of his life in Sacramento, CA.

[@johndaugherty4127]

@@MatewanMassacreThat is fascinating because I had a friend in school in the early 70's who took me to his house one day to play. He ended up showing me his dad's most prized possessions, which were a nazi helmet and ss dagger. And maybe a Luger, it was a long time ago. He told me his dad was "older'. Heck, my own dad was drafted out of high school into the navy, so, it stands to reason that his dad was an officer at least.

[@johndaugherty4127]

@@MatewanMassacre I have read that 10 million German soldiers died in internment camps AFTER the war. What a shame.

[@byTjo]

I remember when he wrote it. FFS where did the time go...... now Dave seems to have fallen into vintage mode. Make sure to investigate the work of Mae Brussell who covered the same thing some 30 years prior.

[@brn2579]

Was Mae talking about this too? She was way ahead of the curve.

[@user-chillvill]

I read somewhere that matt damon and Ben Affleck comes from parents that work for the defense department

[@120.V]

♥ from Switzerland !

[@tonygville2969]

Andrew Brietbart and David McGowan suddenly died and that's just not cool. Everything done in the dark will be brought to the Light ☝️🙏 VIVA CRISTO REY

[@borisvalvoka6975]

Thanks Michael! GREAT INTERVIEW! Subscribing, liking, and sharing!

[@MichaelParkerMedia]

@@borisvalvoka6975 thank you for listening! 🙏🏼

[@jfe1195]

In the book, McGowan alluded to the fact, that Morrison and Manzarek weren't that talented. Well, if the vocals, and organ, keyboard were faked on albums, it was done very well. Morrison had a rich, smooth voice. Then he mentioned Don Henley fsmily had a military background, but never went into detail. And McGowan even said in the book he didn't check his sources because they wouldn't tell the truth. He also seems a little obsessed with Manson.Too obsessed. Well, anyway, I don't mind Conspiracy theories, because the status quo should always be challenged. Rest in Peace, Mc Gowan, your book does encourage anyone who reads the book to think twice.

[@augustusbetucius2931]

He's wrong about there not being clubs to play in, and rock music being prevalent in L.A./Laurel Canyon. In the first part of the sixties, there were most certainly clubs to play in, and many bands did. Michael Nesmith who arrived in 1962 or 1963, would attend open mic nights, which were very well attended. As well, he played as a singer/songer writer, accompanying himself on guitar and several L.A clubs. It's in his autobiography. There were many bands already happening in the early to mid 60s. The Beach Boys, all of Phil Spector's girl groups, Jan and Dean, and many others. It wasn't what the L.A . scene would become, but there was definitely a pop/rock music scene active there prior to 1966/1967 and beyond.

[@davidjdove]

I watched this interview years ago when you posted it. Is the original video still up?

[@MichaelParkerMedia]

Try this! kzbin.info/www/bejne/Y6fdaoeCqc6tec0si=Dv1600ClvHS-fTxg

[@thejvarleyexperience643]

The anti war stance towards the Vietnam war is basically called the Higalian dialect, take both sides of an issue and the pieces fall or society fall and the government comes in and saves everyone picks up the pieces

[@ElonMuskrat-my8jy]

Hegelian dialectic

[@thejvarleyexperience643]

Possibly Neil Diamond too ( part of recking crew

[@garethdevlin5399]

Did Jim Morrison really die if you were Jim Morrison dad and Jim girlfriend said Jim die of drug overdose and he was buried in a grave in France wouldn't you be checking it out wouldn't' you like to see the body in case of foul play

[@HarryPairatestes363]

I don't really see Frank Zappa as being part of anything nefarious with respect to the manufacturing of the so-called 'counter culture', precisely because his entire worldview was antithetical to almost everything it stood for. Frank wasn't a "hippie," he was a Freak, and basically the father(along with The Mothers of Invention more broadly) of that specific movement, which was distinct from the hippie subculture, in that it disavowed and abstained from drug use, which Frank implied was part of a psyop. FZ even mentions the presence of government 'agents' lurking in and around the canyon on The Mothers Absolutely Free LP. Further, Frank constantly questioned both the origin and authenticity of hippiedom, and espoused an inherently anti authoritarian and skeptical worldview with respect to state/government power. FZ's father,btw, worked as a meteoroligist for the military. He would make weather forecasts to determine the direction of the wind in order to more effectively deploy chemical agents such as mustard gas. Frank was always very open about this. kzbin.info/www/bejne/mJvaYpiZlMalnJYsi=rxpYeh_N8pTd-4e6 Listen to the line at 0:41

[@fmellish71]

Totally with you on this. I had just read the chapter in the Laurel Canyon book about Zappa and it plays out more like a hit piece than anything else. Very sloppy research work. McGowan was trying to equate Captain Beefheart's cult-like situation with his band with how Zappa ran the Mothers, but John 'Drumbo' French writes pretty clearly in his book on Beefheart that not only Zappa had no idea that was going on with the Magic Band, but Drumbo felt very weird about how the Mothers weren't being treated like that and how they were actually enjoying themselves in being a part of Zappa's band. Beefheart was also insanely jealous of Zappa's abilities. McGowan really wanted to paint Zappa as this evil cult figure who was using the hippie movement while also making fun of them, but it was not only just the latter, but the hippie movement was trying to use him. I think he just liked the free love aspect of it, but he had remained consistent all throughout his life on his opinions of shallow, brainwashed people and how he hated dealing with people on drugs. The way he described his security set-up when he moved out of Laurel Canyon was as if he was running some dark cult scene on his property, but the reality is that Manson scared him and he got really sick of stoned hippies coming to his house all the time to distract him away from his work. All that - of course - conveniently glossed over in McGowan's book. Instead, he goes off of outsider's accusations of 'totalitarian' tendencies when the fact is that Zappa made difficult music that demanded a lot of work to be able to play and he was always very up front about that with anybody who worked with him. What I gather about Frank from what I've looked into was that he was always very up front and honest about what he wanted from people and respected anyone's view on whether or not they were okay with it. Also, there are conspiratorial easter eggs scattered not only in the songs throughout Zappa's discography, but also his artwork that people like Cal Shenkel would make for him under his direction. Uncle Meat was about a scientist who mutated a rock n roll band with an agenda to take over the world for example. Frank wasn't hiding anything; he kept his eyes open to things that were going on around him and expressed it through his work all throughout his life while having a practical, level-headed attitude in regards to how he felt about it.

[@mikedemike5393]

the british invasion was a psyop...mcgowans whole premise is so weak...virtuall every 20-25 year old in 1965 had at least one parent in WW2 ..some had two...i remember when i first read his blog in the 90's and when you searched for the mostly true story of laurel canyon you would get one search result...now it is thousands....dave mcgown wrote for''center for an informed america''...which is a front for CIA....HE NEVER GOES INTO THE BEATLES OR STONES...@@fmellish71

[@byTjo]

Read the work of Mae Brussell. The Zappa family was up to it's eyeballs in nefarious activities. Sorry.

[@mikedemike5393]

@@byTjo REMEMBER...bRUSSEL WAS THE DAUGHTER OF a rabbi

[@mikedemike5393]

@@byTjo source it...frank was fucking Mae.

[@WTW-bs7sy]

1:23:40 Intrigued (as it’s just occurred to me) that every current act that you’ve derided have been female (and I’ve been enjoying this video up until now so I’m not trolling. It’s fascinating!) Why don’t we have a pop at Brad Pitt (probably a bit late) but he would likely be one such candidate for the job. Fraternity brother (as many are) despite the more anarchic parts he originally often played - Fight Club, Thelma & Louise, Kalifornia, 12 Monkeys I’ll still be listening to your book however. Looking forward to it 🙏

[@nicholasdauphinais]

It is not that strange for someone in bluegrass to pick up the bass and learn it its not rocketscience. I am a professional bluegrass mandolin player and hillman was massively talented and its easy to pick up bass.

[@augustusbetucius2931]

Neither Zappa or Morrison arrived in LA as a "hugely influential rock icon or "fully formed rock icon". Zappa didn't arrive at his place as a musician until around 1965 or 1966. Morrison was looking at being a writer or poet and was working on a college degree, until he met one of the Doors. Herb Cohen wasn't shadowy as much as he was shady. Take the time to look at how many people had families with many military personnel. The wealthy always rise to thes epositions of influence, and still do. Look at how many pop stars today come from wealthy families that could afford to buy their kids a music or acting career. The military dominates American life, so it's not any great coincidence that so many people who became household names, came from wealthy, military families.

[@jfe1195]

Taylor Swift, James Taylor, Lady Gaga, come from successful families. I was surprised that DavidCrosby came from a wealthy family. Crosby struck me as a working class guy.

[@thejvarleyexperience643]

David Crosby family was Vanderbilts

[@thejvarleyexperience643]

Bernard Purdy too

[@user-chillvill]

So why would the government need a full fledge movie studio....hmmmm Moon landing 🤔

[@johndaugherty4127]

Exactly. Read the book.

[@robertstone5747]

Yeah. All to cover up the fact that the world is flat!

[@MatthewGill-nv4tb]

Dave did dry wall and construction. We could all be better people. Our income doesn't mean we can't

[@nickbillings8668]

This dudes sounds like Norm McDonald

[@checkoutthebigbrainonbrad7668]

Lmao I was hoping someone else could hear it

[@nickbillings8668]

All day!!! 😂😂😂

[@HABIRU01]

Was looking for this comment

[@helloworldRR]

Blackmailed honey traps? In the canyon

[@themauriciogastelum]

Here after the joe rogan podcast. I remember watching you on the old channel years ago. I think the people from watching the hawks were with you

[@MichaelParkerMedia]

Yes Sean Stone had a show on the same network. Do you know what Rogan episode mentions my McGowan interview? I’ve never heard the It, just read that it exists. Much appreciated if you can remember.🙏🏼

[@MichaelParkerMedia]

By the way the Antidote episode was my second interview with Dave. This was the first. The Antidote episode can be found here kzbin.info/www/bejne/pWOqm4xuebNgbas

[@MichaelParkerMedia]

Wow so I see it just came up on Rogan again but I’m looking for the old episode.

[@TheScott466]

Could it be the Tom O’Neil episode of Rogan?

[@MichaelParkerMedia]

@@TheScott466 maybe! I’ve just seen comments on my Antidote interview that mentioned Eddie Bravo sent them there.

[@Chrispbacon99]

All music scenes are created for distractions

[@HollyBluePlanet]

You are missing something. Being in a band in the 60's was easier because the generation wanting the music was so huge.

[@helloworldRR]

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[@thejvarleyexperience643]

Ronald Reagan “discovered Norma Jean , Very Respectfully, Navy J

[@MartinezBros805]

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[@bold58]

No police presence in Laural canyon ?? Probably bacause money talks !

[@jaysonstinson9458]

'Cohen', what an intriguing name that is.

[@cattycorner8]

Oh for heaven's sake. Grow TF up whydoncha?

[@ElonMuskrat-my8jy]

One might say the suspicious incidents surrounding the death of Jimi Hendrix was a cohencidence.

[@ElonMuskrat-my8jy]

​@@cattycorner8shalom rabbi

[@alandeacon1988]

"I don't know if anybody else can "top" that one" 😂... sorry...

[@Shelly-op1kx]

Lol did he almost say Reptilians after Civilians?

[@alandeacon1988]

a "world class mandolin player" could piss all over bass.... no big deal there!

[@jimmaculate5]

hahaha. end of every sentence from dave, hahaha. can't take it. also, after many interviews, doesn't he ever have some reason why and what?

[@EdSmith-bq1ox]

Well yeah you tell us your wine what he tells you all the reasons here's that place out there that has all the military children of these high-level intelligent military level parents of secret and high-functioning level

[@EdSmith-bq1ox]

Yeah you're right they was only one of the best people that explained himself and put a lot of detail behind everything you said but you're right doesn't he ever explained himself what are you nuts

[@MatthewGill-nv4tb]

He explains it a lot. The hippy movement was synthetic. They didn't help end any war... their parents helped start the war and they took the podium for anti war people and suffocated the concept and made people afraid of anyone "anti war"

[@user-chillvill]

Gram took to much herion

[@jussiniemi9560]

To imply that the byrds were not accomplished musicians is ridiculous.

[@icanary64]

That's not the point.

[@jussiniemi9560]

It diminishes the point, if there ever was one. He goes on about crosby being always in trouble, criminal, and an asshole, ugly, fat, doing loads of drugs, not being able to play guitar(?) Did he sing? Or was it a Milli Vanilli sítuation. Everyone knows that the hugest artists are industry plants. And the best dictators are Cia Puppets. :D Who knows... Maybe "Eight Miles High" was written by Sidney Gottlieb. And Lucy in the Sky with Diamonds wasn't about john's son drawing but actually a code meant only to be understood by the Soviet KGB

[@julianbarber4708]

No it's not. At the beginning they really couldn't play....why do you think the Wrecking Crew played on their records?

[@reesedaniel5835]

@@jussiniemi9560 Lucy in the Sky with Diamonds was about LSD. Not hard to figure that one out.

[@jussiniemi9560]

@@reesedaniel5835 Oh? You wrote it?

[@majinblood6133]

He looks suspiciously similar to Kent Hovind… maybe same guy honestly

[@jaw444]

What Dave said about Godo Pauleka's death beginning at 1:10:30 approximately, is disgusting, it's just petty hate of hyper-normal people like Dave who feel threatened by people who are happy being different.. i like Dave even though he gets a lot of facts wrong because he doesn't seem to think that facts apply to him, he can make them up as he goes along. i'm sorry Dave is gone, i appreciate his many writings and his energetic love of story telling but what i have never liked about his writing is how he makes lots of generalizations and assertions of fact without given any source at all except his own beliefs, and he implies that if he says it, it's true, and i don't like that when any source does it, whether it's someone like him, or a major news outlet like the New York Times, people like that take advantage of their readers trust and slander and malign people with untrue distorted claims about them, just because that's what they think, without fairness and objectivity. . Virtually everything he says and thinks about the death of Godo and about Sue and Vito at that time and how they felt and what they did his distorted to convince people of what basically everyone already thinks becauwe Sue and Vito were abnormal, they wore hippy clothes and they did things differently. Anyone who believes anything Dave says about Godo's death is letting themselves be mislead. It was a horrible thing, incredibly painful and Sue had just had a new baby days before and had a newborn she was nursing on demand, her face, the look on her face when i went to see them on Xmas Eve 1966 after hearing about it, i'll never forget and imagining it now makes me cry. her face was drawn and her eyes were swollen with sorrow as she held her new baby with no way to be alone with her grief or to have any way to process it because she was the only one who could nurse her new baby, the pain she was in was so terrible. i knew Vito and Sue, and Godo, since November 1964, and was there on Godo's first birthday. I loved them, i was 15 then and knowing them made a positive difference in my life, at a time when it was so badly needed. So Dave is making me really mad, because he wasn't there. When i was spending time at Vito's, Dave was 4 years old. He missed all that was happening in the 60s and he has said that he felt regret because he wasn't there, a lot of people felt that way, and he said his way of making up for what he missed was to write about it. And apparently that made him feel better about missing it, but because he's talking about people i loved and saying hostile things that aren't true, though i imagine he believes they're true because he has the limited narrow mind of a normal person, limited by his prejudices, and has just taken what those who hated Vito and Sue for not being normal said about what happened to Godo and repeated it as if he knows it to be true. But all he does is show that he wasn't there. and he doesn't like to give the sources of where he gets his ideas. Godo was a very lovable child and he was very very loved. Losing him was agonizing and heart breaking. I could say so much more, it's hard to let what Dave has said go unchallenged by facts and by testimony of someone who was very much there.

[@EdSmith-bq1ox]

Okay why don't you write a book and tell the story of what really happened if you don't think if you don't think Dave was being fair

[@kellenscott555]

You sound slightly incoherent in a way old time drug users tend to talk. You should write your story while you’re able to still grasp it from your memory.

[@elborbah3045]

Did you go in Spahn Ranch ? Met Manson and the family ? Pamela de Barres in her memories was there and was very shocked by what happened .

[@ronmexico1392]

The kid died, that's the story. And, all you did was say you hate his take on it, without giving facts yourself. Quit trolling. Also, that was a single segment to decades of shady facts. Way to go

[@jpenneymrcoin6851]

it doesn't help your credibility to sound like you just put down your bong. too bad.

[@MichaelParkerMedia]

It doesn’t help yours to make assumptions. I don’t smoke

[@mikedemike5393]

who would have thought that 20-25 year olds had parents in the military considering all served in WW2 35 YEARS BEFORE....POOR attempt Dave...and why does Dave Mcgowan write for ''center for an informed America''...or CIA for short

[@SLOTHCOP]

kzbin.info/www/bejne/gYDEXmSfas-tq5Ysi=jqdwS9fdmenqMQ-P 3 chapters of actual book/audiobook being read can be found here