Weird Tomb Raider Ports

[@goldenjonnie]

Maybe I'm wrong, but I remember an Angel of Darkness port for... DVD players? Is it possible?

[@emoHlliW2007]

no way… might have to look into this…

[@tombplayer6911]

@emoHlliW2007angel of darkness does have DVD port. You literally play AOD on dvd. It’s kinda funny

[@Terminal_Apotos]

I saw that, so weird lol

[@dariofortino168]

Yeah! Is called Tomb Raider: the action adventure

[@sh-ig9fm]

Yes I have aod on dvd it's actually quite fun.

[@bewsket]

Most of the issues you had with games were just because you were playing them on emulator. Anniversary is one of the best ports on the wii, if you had the original hardware you would know. It makes climbing less tedious because it lets you point at the ledges in a drawing pattern and she does all the work for you. Camera controls are easy because most of the 1st or 3rd person games on the wii relied on wiimote to rotate the camera. I understand your frustration but making a video like this and complaining about bad controls and telling people to avoid it "like a plague?" Isn't that pure definition of ignorance? just makes your point less valid. And i don't agree about 360 version of Anniversary being bad. PC version had the same reliance on bloom, it is the original intent. The PS3 HD version of Legend and Anniversary have better lighting but they have absolutely horrible shaders for rendering Lara's skin, she looks overblown in almost every cutscene. If you compared Xbox360 and PS3 versions (especially cutscenes) - you would know. Everybody should avoid those PS3 HD versions like a plague in my opinion. The general consensus is this - PC version is the best wherever you would play. But for ports - Legend - PS2 or Xbox360, For Anniversary - really any version is great (i personally played it on PSP back in the day), avoid PS3 because its lighting can be hit or miss (like shitty Skyrim mods), and Lara looks horrible. Underworld - PC or Xbox360 (or Wii, for interesting gimmicks). Xbox360 had an exclusive DLC for the Lara's Doppelgänger (and her ties with Natla), expanding the story a bit, but the Xbox360 store was shut down, unless you have it modded, its probably one of the most "complete" versions.

[@MKR3238]

Your comment is a more accurate port comparison than this extremely superficial video lol

[@DocTime56]

Rise of the tomb raider for the 360 is cool AF, its impressive how it being a back port managed to run decently, keep all the content and character animations while being one of the better looking games on the 360.

[@itspatrick10]

My parents got me Underworld for the PS2 for Christmas, but it ended up arriving in March and I was so confused because it was nothing like the trailer and it had nothing I saw in the gameplay videos I watched and got so hyped for. I finally had a good enough pc to play it in 2011 and it was SUCH a different game

[@TwoTailedCaperer]

My brother gifted me PS2 Underworld for my birthday one year. It's just such a weird game, the way Lara automatically regenerates health, the empty corridors and hallways. I gave it my all but I couldn't finish it because it's such a mess. Gamestop gave me $5 when I traded it in to buy the PS3 version and I thought that was generous lol

[@itspatrick10]

@@TwoTailedCaperer Oooof that WAS generous. Lolol

[@smartpersonjdt]

I remember this! I think my uncle preordered Underworld for PS2 for me for Christmas but it was back-ordered and didn't arrive until around my birthday in March. I just remember getting a piece of paper saying it would be a couple months before it arrived. I wish I still had that. It was only years later that I finally played the next-gen version on PC and realized how bad the PS2 version was in comparison.

[@itspatrick10]

@@smartpersonjdt I also remember the piece of paper too! I think my parents felt like they had to give me something as proof lol

[@emoHlliW2007]

The gift of inferiority :)

[@gyga100]

About the Saturn Port wasn't only technical limitations,but also was rushed,Eidos the publisher pulled on their back a few months of exclusivity deal with Sega,so they had to rush the Saturn Port to be released early causing a bunch of problems

[@KasumiRINA]

Yeah the game was originally developed for Saturn, then switched to PS1 and PC, that's why first two Tomb Raiders are SO SQUARE they were made with quads in mind instead of triangles, as TR3 and later.

[@gyga100]

@@KasumiRINA but the second was never released on Saturn,there any build of this canceled version?

[@Theodore574]

​@@gyga100yeah i think there's some early screenshots with lara using her tr1 appearance

[@sebastian-zku]

I am sorry, but i have to dissagree about the Wii version of TRA being the worst... I actually think the opposite, for me is the best version of that game, why? because it was unnique characteristics (using the wii mote to pull a lever or the puzzles that replace the ordinary levers of other versions) Also is the only version to have that passage to the trophy room, its the only version to have a flshlight to use in new paths on the levels (that are only availible in this version) Also, in terms of difficulty, i think the player its pretty adaptable to the moviments controls, its easier to shoot, easier to do tricks like jumps and acrobatics... i think you are looking for visual quality more than the immersion of the experience PS: sorry 4 the broken english,. i have no respect for the language and i tried my best

[@TheBoxyBear]

So that's where the plain white save crystals came from in the remaster.

[@DragonFire64]

One thing I discovered about Tomb Raider: Anniversary is that it was released as Episodic DLC for Legend on 360. So that's another version of Anniversary...

[@WH250398]

If I remember correctly the 360 version even ran with Vsync, while the Xbox One version DID NOT. It had constant screentearing.

[@caesumisrude]

With TRAOD you could have mentioned Tomb Raider the Action Adventure. It's a weird DVD game that's basically an interactive movie with a record of TRAOD gameplay as the main source. It's honestly one of the weirdest TR games.

[@emoHlliW2007]

Might make a short about it in the future, kind of surprised I didn’t notice it during my research after reading the comments.

[@dalton2k538]

Tomb Raider Legend on OG Xbox aims for 60 fps, while most other ports cap out at 30, and feels so much better than it.

[@emoHlliW2007]

Genuinely did not even notice this, I thought the higher frame rate was just a performance upgrade given to the game when it is being played on modern hardware - impressive for the time.

[@Soonjai]

One thing you seem to have missed with the Dreamcast Version of Last Revelation is that it was the first version of any Tomb Raider game to have a detailed shadow for Lara instead of the usual round-ish blob. Not even the PC version did have that detailed shadow. Another thing worth mentioning is that the PC Version of Chronicles was shipped with a Level Editor. To my knowledge this is the only time official tools where provided to the fans to create custom Levels.

[@RIPSOE404]

Tomb Raider Underworld is still my favourite because it's the only Nvidia 3D vision game to amaze me.

[@brenomartins3776]

There's also an Arcade version of TR 2013.

[@MehrdadKaruni]

Tranniversary is one of my favorite TR games, I wish it had a nextgen mode like ps3, 360, and PC (it as broken btw).

[@0verflowingDreams]

Anniversary on Wii is the best and most complete version. It features flashlight, very dark areas, trophy room in the manor, extra puzzles and more

[@natmilcur]

Underworld on Wii was phenomenal too

[@HaveYouMetSid]

Great video! I have such a soft spot for the Legend GBA and DS ports, I remember playing an emulated version as a kid before having a PC strong enough to play the Windows versions. Even though they're completely different games, it having the same locations, Lara model and sound effects kinda helped me believe I was getting the full Legend experience haha

[@jamie1449]

I really enjoy the Wii version of Anniversary, but then I like the motion controls. You didn’t mention the PSP version of Anniversary either. It was a pretty impressive port and fixed issues from the legend one such as the sluggish camera which made Nepal near impossible to do.

[@emoHlliW2007]

I'd be fine with the motion controls if we were given alternate input methods, unfortunately that didn't happen.

[@HoroJoga]

The Saturn controller you used as an example in 1:46 is actually a modern retro-bit wireless version, which features two analog sticks. The original was similar but only had the d-pad. Also, the Evercade versions aren't ports. They're just running on a ps1 emulator. That's the whole gist about this console, but they kinda hide it.

[@KasumiRINA]

So Evercade is basically Android tablet with built-in gamepad?

[@badaboom1358]

I have to differ, anniversary wii version is the best versión, like for me were really comfortable for the wiimote and nunchuk. Of course is inferior graphically if you compare it with the xbox version but also the additional content with the wiimote interaction was really cool

[@flo9894]

The Windows Store version of TR1 Reboot is the "Definitive Version" and is exclusive to this launcher on PC. Also if you buy it on this platform, you have full cross buy and cross safe with XBox, if you buy STR you also have full cross buy and cross safe with XBox, and then if you buy the Trilogy pack it will also be the same... But if you buy RTR on Windows Store, you won't have the cross platform

[@HenrysArts]

A small correction about Underworld; The PS2 version has full sections completely dumbed down to short cinematics, while in the Wii version you can play the entire game just fine. One of the examples is the gear puzzle at the start of 'Arctic Sea'. On the PS2 that whole section is turned into a short cutscene of Lara swimming to the entrance, while on the Wii version, you do the puzzle as you would do in the next gen consoles. To summarize, the ps2 version is the worst version.

[@KasumiRINA]

PC versions of original 5 games also have minor differences from PS1, most notably no level select but consistent saving system (TR1 gets rid of the crystals and saves like TR2, and TR3 gets "healing" green crystals). The Gold expansions were PC-exclusive. They also have wider graphics options like optional texture filtering. PC versions of 4 and Chronicles don't just differ from DreamCast, but PS1 too, so there's three different-looking games, on PC they have stuff like bump mapping and different lighting. AoD versions also differ but it's so broken I never played enough to compare.

[@Psychonau]

there are some strange graphical downgrades too, for example the spinning wheel in tr 2 has no shiny effect on the pc and in the antarctic levels of tr 3 lara dont leave footprints. the dreamcast versions of tr4 and 5 have better shadows but apart from that they are pretty similar

[@EmotionlessCabbage]

The PS2 version of Underworld and the Wii version are not identical. The Wii Version includes more content and actually cut out areas from the next gen versions, which was later added back as DLC in Beneath The Ashes.

[@satan9247]

other than the n-cage and the 2015 ports of the original tomb raiders I REMEMBER THE POCKET-PC ones it was absolutely hilarious there was also the Xbox 360 Kinect prototype for TR2013 that was never released, but I believe you can find footage of it easily online

[@emoHlliW2007]

Thank god they kept TR off the Kinect lol...

[@joolzjoolz]

I've played for quite some time on a Pocketpc (like 23years ago) but never finished it🫠

[@danyelkem8566]

Anniversary also has PSP Version which is quite an improvement over tthe Legend PSP Version.

[@CoopBurrito]

I have the Dreamcast versions of TR4 and 5, and I gotta say, they're definitely my preferred way of playing on original hardware. They felt so smooth, and I also do prefer the lighting, too. Also, this video was very entertaining! Keep up the good work!

[@WebstersYouTube]

@16:23 ranking based on visuals alone without playing the ports will only give you half the story. It assumes the person capturing it has good cables, hasn't compressed the video, etc. It also doesn't tell you how responsive the game is. Frame rate is easier to feel than see, and frame timings during gameplay is important to. 60fps with consistent frame pacing feels smoother than 60fps with inconsistent timings. Likewise, emulating the game makes it hard to draw comparisons. The idea of controlling Anniversary's camera with the Wiimote sounded horrendous, but when I actually tried it? Eh, I could see what they were going for. I still prefer a right analogue stick, but aiming and shooting with a Wiimote would be cool - if not completely outclassed by the game's lock-on system.

[@thedanielefuly]

I feel the urge to precise that PS2 and Wii version are not the same, and many people don't even know that. Wii version was basically released along with the Next-gen versions whereas PS2 version is literally a cut version of Wii one: to give an example, the Mediterranean Sea and Thailand levels in PS2 begin with Lara being already in the water. Altought the maps on Wii version are closer to the next-gen ones, they had to modify some puzzles to introduce the exclusive minigames and the game literally has rendered cinematics (PS2 has low quality pre-registered cutscenes). The gameplay of using poles to go ahead in the level was untouched. I do believe Wii version is an alternative experience that is enjoyable too but it's not as the same as the original version.

[@emoHlliW2007]

I'll have to try the PS2 one out some day, huh... But in fairness I wouldn't say either are visually striking.

[@DelRojRecords]

I had tomb raider 1 for a Palm PDA, yes it's official

[@emoHlliW2007]

I feel like I'm way too young for this stuff...

[@KasumiRINA]

1:15 People playing Remasters in 2024 would have appreciated the gamma slider.... I had to use custom ReShade to make early areas less dark before they updated the game (and first patch made everything even harder to see).

[@KasumiRINA]

5:25 The mobile versions have redrawn (not AI) textures and some updated visual effects. There are patches converting some from TR2 to PC version. It's probably possible to run them on Android emulator (or any phone), I mean so what they're being delisted, that didn't stop people from getting Saturn or PS1 CHDs.

[@magdieljmc]

I absolutely LOVE Underworld. Is by far my favorite Tomb Raider game as it mixes the more mature and realistic Lara from, well, LAU trilogy with supernatural stuff that happened in the early games. I had the pleasure of playing it on PC and it's fantastic. Also, I bought a DS last year and got to play it (again) on original hardware and I loved it, too. Is a chunk sized game that you can play on a long bus ride, or whatever. The PS2 port though, which I could play as well, though emulated, is awful. I loved the experience, even though it was pretty bad, just because I wanted to see another phase of Underworld. There's one thing I gotta say: the Legend port for DS. I had to put it down as I died in an advanced section of the initial level and I was brought back to almost half the run and I had to do a lot of stuff again. Maybe it gets better after that first level, but I won't know for sure

[@emoHlliW2007]

Underworld gets too much hate in my opinion, might have some visually bland environments and a lacking story - but to me it's definitely the best LAU game.

[@magdieljmc]

@emoHlliW2007 Yeah, I don't understand why so much people dislike this game. It has its flaws, as it was one of the first to be made in a new engine, but I find it very entertaining (though I enjoyed more playing Anniversary for its simple controls). Underworld has that magic that came to mind when you thought of Tomb Raider back in the 90's, at least for me.

[@KasumiRINA]

19:00 Can't you put higher internal resolution on Dolphin? Emulators have their minuses (good luck figuring out Wii controls) but one plus is 3D consoles no longer limited to their original resolutions, DreamCast games look amazing on Flycast and Dolphin is arguably one of the best emulators of all time.

[@RetroRoninXL]

First. I ove Tomb Raider Anniversary on Xbox360. Second the later ports of Tomb Raider Legend and Anniversary on PS3 are full of glitches and terrible controls. You really should actually PLAY these Games. Because I don't think you know what your talking about and your biased against Xbox.

[@starchambers8200]

You forgot to mention that the PSP version of Legend features 2 player competitive multiplayer and some extra levels as well!

[@konradszkudlarek]

Dude... just use mause as wii remote. You don't even need to configure that, it work out of the gate.

[@floatinghamstick]

....mause?

[@Speed4Runs]

dude there's no way you guys prefer the ps3 version of Legend and Anniversary over the X360 lol I played them on PC, PS2 and PSP, and I still wanted to have X360 graphics on PC so bad... Apart from the bloom, they truly look better (and the bloom is a problem common to both games on all platforms except for psp and, if you want, pc - limited on PS3, very bad on PS2 and X360, but still)

[@emoHlliW2007]

Honestly for Legend it was borderline negligible, but for Anniversary I think the bloom issue comes of as being more prevalent due to the different visual design the game entails. I haven’t played the PC versions as I’m not able to run them properly, but the lighting looks to be marginally worse on both - more noticeable in Legend though.

[@Speed4Runs]

@emoHlliW2007 honestly Legend is a weird case, clearly the models and textures are subpar with respect to PC, but at least all 3 versions have next gen, whilst Anniversary is like a mix: the water looks so bad on PS3, its reflections are like a slideshow, while shadows in general seem to be the best - too bad for the self casted shadows that are so buggy. But the lighting is so bad, no matter what the contrast is, as it always looks soooo bright, like Lara's skin being completely white in some cases. X360 had a much better lighting than all versions imho, as well as the water, but the models are, also in this case, inferior than PC's (even at the lowest settings). Overall, the PC version is much clearer, but the bloom problem is still there, and it's due to the DOF setting combined with the post processing. Both can be disabled and it will look sooo clear, but unfortunately also many other effects will go away. Yes, it's an artistic style choice, because they could have limited the dof effects to underwater only, though that bloom was a popular thing going on at the time... Still, X360 had so many new gen effects - the water, for example, is very similar to the PS2's on PC at max settings, while on X360 it's a totally different story. I'm wondering why didn't they include all that in the PC. Finally, the PS3 had TERRIBLE framerate :/

[@Legend1315]

Honestly I would say the worst versions of TR Legend (excluding mobile ports) are the ones that use that horrendous filter, like the Xbox 360 and PS3 versions. The PC version calls it "Next Gen Content" and it can be turned off there, thank god. The game loses its vibrant colors and Lara's skin looks like it's made of wax. Overall, all visual consistency is thrown out of the window, it looks like an amateur threw a bunch of "next gen" graphics mods together and called it a day. I cannot understand how someone in the development team looked at that and thought it looked good.

[@YashlenMoodley]

Lara Croft Vs Helena Douglas from Kosmic the KZbinr is Absolutely Epic!

[@NemesisOgreKing]

Meh, the 360/PS3 port looks fine. Every other version looks washed out w/o the "bad" "Next Gen Content" filter. Hey I get it, I'd be copping hard too if I wasted $40k on a graphics card and it struggled with 360/PS3 era gwaphics. 😘

[@dariuscoates894]

The Xbox 360 version looks great 😂 wtaf

[@charliefen]

@@dariuscoates894 oh no, she looks like she has a bad fake tan in the menus 😂

[@KasumiRINA]

Problem is that "old gen" version of Legend on PC has missing textures and effects too, and the "new gen" version has broken lighting and some effects clipping, so both modes are bad-looking, it needs a fixed re-port like RE4 got.

[@NickFlack]

20:35 anniverasy PC just ps2 hd, no any next gen enhanced...

[@el3tric153]

Tomb Raider video + Sonic soundtrack?! i subscribed as fast as i can lol

[@Tempora158]

1:18 How can the "icon has been changed to display a Saturn controller" when the Saturn version was the first and ONLY version of the game when it released?

[@Terminal_Apotos]

The TR game I have the most ports of is TR2013 since it got me into the series a couple years ago. I bought it digitally when it was on sale for $4 on the PS Store, then I bought the Physical PS4 Definitive Edition, then I bought the PS3 version, and then finally I got the PC version. I think I’m gonna buy the Game of the Year version for PS3 and the Xbox 360 Port just for the heck of it.

[@emoHlliW2007]

I owned it on PlayStation but lost it, but I replayed it on Xbox last year - still a really solid game - but worth purchasing as many as 6 copies...

[@Terminal_Apotos]

@ I love it so it’s worth it.

[@delfrickintree775]

have you tried the originals at all? (1-3 remastered is really good)

[@Terminal_Apotos]

@@delfrickintree775 I’m kinda going through them backwards. I played the Survivor Trilogy first and now I’m playing the LAU Trilogy. So far I’ve gotten through Legend and Anniversary, I started Underworld but I’ve been so busy I haven’t made much progress. Once I’m done with that I’m going to buy the 1-3 Remasters and hopefully once I’m done with that the 4-6 Remasters will have been released physically. Funny thing is I already bought the PS1 versions of 2, 4, and 5 but I’d rather wait to play the remasters.

[@KasumiRINA]

@@Terminal_Apotos remasters gameplay wise are exact same unless you use modern controls. So there's no NEED to play originals.

[@Windroid2000]

If I remember correctly the character model for TOMB RAIDER 2013 and the XBOX ONE definitive edition is also slightly different and I remember preferring the look of the definitive edition over the PC port I had

[@Rosa_Canina]

The original Saturn pad is the best pad you can get (especially the DPAD). It doesnt translate very well into modern controllers, as it had more face buttons than we have now. So on an original pad TR controls probably the best of any console with the classic controls.

[@emoHlliW2007]

You know, you aren't the first person I've heard say that about the Saturn's D-pad.

[@Rosa_Canina]

@emoHlliW2007 well, there is a reason. I wasn't even a Sega kid back then. First got my Saturn a few years ago, with RE1, TR1 and Road Rash. Never thought I would prefer anything over a keyboard for TR (which is what I grew up with)

[@pTQq]

Wii and PS2 versions of Underworld are very different and Wii port is actually very pretty and playable. Also you forgot to mention Tomb Raider Apocalypse and Reckoning for iTV and DVD Player port of Angel of Darkness.

[@emoHlliW2007]

I seriously need to go out and find myself a DVD player then...

[@charmingpeasant9834]

Bashes Anniversary's visuals for being too dull, puts Legend's brown, grey mush 7th gen versions above 6th gen versions that had much more vibrant visuals.

[@_seaorange_]

oh my god, you unlocked a core memory for me I played the Underworld mobile game, it was weird in a way but as a kid I enjoyed it. Played it on a Sony Ericsson phone

[@keybladeciel3716]

The ideal way for the Wii versions of the Tomb Raider games on that console is to play it on actual hardware or on a Wii U in Wii Mode, where the Motion Controls would logically work... Or use an actual Wii Remote and Nunchuk if emulating it.

[@riowoma]

I'm pretty sure for Tomb Raider 1 - 3 you could also play them on the PS3 and PSP as part of the PS One classic collection thing they used to do (I assume that it being available on PSP also extends it to PS VITA too)

[@alpthed]

I downloaded the Underworld mobile app on my fathers phone and played the hell out of it

[@Sigma5796]

your voice is so fit (interesting video btw)

[@emoHlliW2007]

@@Sigma5796 Nice one, Blake.

[@JoshDun6]

Actually the wii version having you pushing a bolder with motion controls was PEAK

[@keijijohnson9754]

4:24 - What, are you kidding? Compared to how much the N-Gage ITSELF cost back them ALONE, all THAT there is quite a dang good deal.

[@kevinandtherobots]

I saw that pause in the first level of Legend to skip the pan over to the waterfall with the boulder ;) I do that every time forgetting it doesn't count as a cutscene

[@xVenom1976x]

Since you didn’t mention it, what did you think of the PSP port of Anniversary?

[@mccuish]

I owned the wii version of underworld as a kid. I still remember the lever motion controls being unresponsive

[@spongebobfan78]

6:36 Ngl, I only know about Evercade because it had remasters of the 2D Duke Nukem games exclusive to that platform.

[@sumguy2747]

hey what music did you use for the tomb raider legend section of the vid?

[@emoHlliW2007]

@@sumguy2747 I believe it was either the bike chase sequence theme from Legend or OST from Enter the Gungeon

[@orchid9]

It's amazing how "it's a different game with the same name" was widely adopted back then. Nowadays it's either "gimme the same stuff or gtfo" kinda deal. Which makes sense. Like name the game differently ffs.

[@lionocyborg6030]

The Saturn version of TR1 is the best one besides Tomb 1 X with Tomb ATI maps. (Not counting the remaster) The lighting makes more sense for the caves & tombs you are visiting, there’s waves on water ala TR3, the controls really aren’t that bad plus unlike the PS1 & PS2 the D-pad design doesn’t suck and compressed or not, many sounds are actually better than PC or PS1 as they actually sound like what they’re meant to e.g. falling swords, gates or lightning.

[@HoroJoga]

nah, it isnt. I played it recently and it doesn't hold up very well.

[@lionocyborg6030]

@ Yes it is. I played it three times recently (PAL physical Saturn, PAL emulated & NTSC emulated) and it really does hold up unless you’re a framerate snob. The US version even has a better frame rate & more crystals to match PS1 on top of the graphical improvements though when it fixed some missing secrets it also loses the cool unique level changes from PAL.

[@HoroJoga]

@@lionocyborg6030 'framerate snob' oh sorry for having standards?

[@lionocyborg6030]

@ Damn right you’re sorry. 30 or 60 is enough and even though PAL Saturn dips a bit below 30 it really isn’t that big of a deal. It’s still 100% playable and enjoyable. Anyone who hates Saturn TR1 hates fun.

[@Chelaxim]

@HoroJoga You have content dedicated to Blue Dragon on your channel the game with such bad frame rate and Screen tearing it actually screws with the gameplay of a turn based jrpg. Dipping to 10 fps at times. The Blue Dragon anime had more frames of animation.

[@anthonyguiness9]

That's the first time I've ever seen an NGAGE game run over 5 fps 😂

[@tiagopenteadonogueira9339]

I discovered a tomb raider 2013 arcade version yesterday. it's a multiplayer quick game with 4 weapons and you have to help lara kill the enemies, with new lines an all. literally so random

[@emoHlliW2007]

No way...

[@livingunderground2164]

Most trash take on Anniversary ever. Get outta here with that nonsense.

[@MonkeyboyST1]

I’m genuinely surprised you don’t have more subscribers. Either way, you just got a new one 👍

[@ricardoheinsar3105]

The fact that people forget that tomb raider 1-3 were released for iPhone is wild.

[@emoHlliW2007]

Shame I didn't download them before they were delisted, I assume if you did you'd still be able to play them today. Pretty sure TR3 never did have a mobile port though...

[@splintergectornathan9045]

@emoHlliW2007 it never did, there were only TR1 and TR2

[@crestofhonor2349]

Shadow of the Tomb Raider is on Mac but it's not on steam. It's on the Mac App Store. Also the 360 port of Rise of the Tomb Raider was done by Nixxies, who Sony purchased a little while back to do their PC ports

[@ValerieSparrowW]

I liked the video, but i was hoping you would go a little bit more in depth about the LAU ports. like for example how the PSP version of legend has a whole exclusive game mode called 'tomb trials' and a whole bunch of exclusive outfits. The atrocious underworld ps2 port has a few huge differences regarding gameplay that would have been hilarious if you would've mentioned that. Overall, a good video, but could definitely use more depth

[@n0vi]

The NGAGE lmfao you'd hold the top side of the phone up to your ear to take calls. Ridiculous but I knew a few people with one. Splinter Cell was cool

[@spitfire184]

Worms was great, too. My friends used to take the piss; "Hello? This is sidephone." Also know as "pasty phone", especially in South West England due to the pastry product that it looked like in shape.

[@StoccoPschiozzoLego]

I did play TR on NGage in a gaming fair in Finland. Oh boy those times. It was super expensive and the vertical screen was really odd. I didn't mind talking to it in a "wrong" way as no one in Finland speaks to each other in any case. Mobile was always for gaming. Nice that Americans and Koreans understood that years later. BTW a tough screen in a mobile phone was a thing in Finland also 2003. Quite many years before the iPhone also copied that feature.

[@nibirumul8754]

I actually had the DS version of Underworld. It was okay.

[@emoHlliW2007]

I guess it was fun, even though I spent less than an hour playing it.

[@louisebarker3731]

i’ve always hated the colour pallete of legend and anniversary no matter what tv setting i try it’s like someone turned the brightness up to high and contrast doesn’t improve it. i remember liking the ds version of underworld more than the xbox360 version ☺

[@emoHlliW2007]

Anniversary might actually be one of the ugliest looking games I've ever seen, no joke I honestly believe it is the worst Tomb Raider game.

[@charmingpeasant9834]

@emoHlliW2007 That's certainly a take...

[@iChannelz88]

I think you missed to mention that the PSP version of Legend had exclusive challenge levels and online multiplayer unlike all other versions of the game. I think that was a nice bonus with that port. The bad port of underworld for PS2/Wii also have unique sections of certain levels that doesnt exist in the main game. supposedly cut from the main game or added to replace sections that they botched because of hardware limitations. The Wii version of Anniversary also had exclusive motion control based puzzles added to the main game

[@DBTGAMER]

I think I enjoyed Tomb Raider Legend More than Tomb Raider underworld on the DS. I felt that Legend had more variety in terms of different level types. Underworld was mostly a 2D platformer with a puzzle. I was pleasantly surprised when the DS version of Legend through in a few motorbike levels.

[@Blizzard8232]

God I also remember getting the PS2 version of underworld for Christmas :( We did play it but it was such a weird, buggy experience. I feel bad for the developers, really, TRU at the time was VERY next-gen and porting it to something like the PS2 was such an insane, greedy ask. Buzz monkey did what they could.

[@bigoreo8695]

Hi, Ps2 and wii ports for underworld were not the same, wii version was an in between ps2 and ps3. TR1 pc port lacked the music. I enjoyed your video anyway but it missed informations

[@orchid9]

I just learnt that Tomb Raider reboot had multiplayer... yeah. that popular.

[@iankof90]

I really liked how tom. raider controls on the Saturn, and there were some aspectsI liked about it, such as the longer draw distance.

[@emoHlliW2007]

To be honest I'd would rather they implemented a shorter draw distance so that the game doesn't have frame rate drops.

[@The13thElysium]

Great video! I had the Ps2, Psp, Ps3, Pc and steam versions of Legend! I remember the PSP one being so laggy on the actual psp console!

[@lionocyborg6030]

It’s more laggy now since my UMD drive needs adjustment but it wasn’t too bad back in the day. The problem was the controls due to a missing right thumbstick, which made hard difficulty impossible and if you have stick drift like I do now, it’s even more irritating.

[@emoHlliW2007]

Never grew up with the PSP version, owned it on PS3 for the longest time through that HD classics rerelease thing, so maybe there was some personal bias...

[@lionocyborg6030]

@ it was PC first for me but I first heard of it thanks to the OG Xbox version. Got a game mag for it and everything though I don’t know if I have the magazine itself anymore. I think I kept the sleeve though. PSP one is pretty fun despite its issues. TRA PSP has great outfits added in but it makes the boring corridors even longer. TRAE by Core Design is much better but it was never finished and the only leaked copy is an early version just begun being converted into an Indiana Jones game, not the later builds from some of the trailers & screenshots.

[@JavaBum]

From the very beginning you admitted that it came out on the Saturn first, then WHY in hell are you saying that they "changed" things FROM the Playstation version? It is the original, and the PS version is the port, same with the PC. This one shouldn't even be on here.

[@nediswierd5342]

If they had been able to do tomb raider 2 on Saturn, they said they had a much better optimized engine for the Saturn port and we would have seen a Jurassicly better performance

[@Alex-ng6hc]

The Sega Saturn port of Tomb Raider 1 could've worked, that is, if Eiddos Interactive hadn't pushed its release date forward by six weeks. The GBA port of Legend and the PS2 and Wii ports of Underworld definitely feel unnecessary

[@TheDrunkenPL]

4:12 how old are you, 16?

[@emoHlliW2007]

17 ;)

[@extradipboneless]

...Damn, I'm old now lol. Nice video btw, glad you're having fun with these old hardware/games. :)))

[@jackofallgamesYT]

Ohhhhh nooo so I just saw you say the Wii version and the PS2 version are the same and you definitely need to play the both to see. The PS2 version was a port of the Wii version which ofc is a port of the main version. And a port of a port is exactly how it sounds - a mess 😭

[@mcha226]

Though TR1 on Saturn really was the original and the PS1 version would be the port.

[@lionocyborg6030]

Minus the Wiimote gimmicks, the Wii version of Underworld is basically what we’d get if the PS2 version was good. The PS2 one is just as bad as you and others say. I’ve not played my emulated Wii copy yet but I have gotten to Mexico on PS2 and seen a comparison list between the two ports which is how I know.

[@emoHlliW2007]

Maybe that could be another video idea...

[@irishrose90]

I had underworld on the wii and omg it was awfully glitchy to a point I couldn't continue playing it. I eventually bought it on ps2. And traded my wii. 😂

[@JoshiiFox]

Nice video, but could have been nice to have more info between angel of darkness port which has some difference especially between the ps2/pc, and I do love the Wii anniversary version quite funny to play ^.^ but yeah if you’re not a fan of the gimmick gameplay of the Wii that comprehensive

[@emoHlliW2007]

It's really not that every Wii game out there is bad, but I just don't understand why some games force the motion control gimmicks or make you buy additional accessories/peripherals. There is zero reason for why you cannot use a GameCube controller to play Underworld.

[@OwtDaftUK]

The DC versions are not the best ways to play 4 and 5 imo as the controls are less than ideal.

[@UnabridgedGamer]

Okay, starting from the top: What you want far as mobile games is a J2ME Emulator. N-Gage can be emulated fairly easily with other Symbian emulators, there's a Discord server for that, it's pretty easy to find. BREW is the type of high end Java gaming that is much trickier to emulate - it wasn't until recently folks could get it working. BREW is needed for stuff like DMC Mobile and Bioshock 3D. No, the PC version of Legend is *not* the ideal way to play unless you have the GOG port. The normal Steam release has never been patched and has so many glitches and bugs it can be virtually unplayable, especially if you turn on the "next-gen" features. And, uh... yeah, some of us actually like using our Wiis? It's easier on our hands and allows for more organic movement. You can dislike movement controls fine but complaining about them like this isn't bringing anything new to the conversation. It's just wasting air time you could be spending talking about *how* they're implemented, like how Anniversary added additional motion-based puzzles. Additionally - the Wii has fewer buttons than any other controller. That's why most developers had to use motion controls of some kind. Nintendo only embraced a more typical control scheme around the time of the Wii-U. Also, were you playing Anniversary from the disc or digitally? Because I was playing my digital copy via Legend (TL;DR - you could originally get Anniversary as DLC for Legend, they run on the same tech), and I didn't have this bloom issue at all? "Why didn't they just cram the HD version down to the Wii?" That's... not how game development works. That's why. There are hardware limitations and Eidos are well documented for how notorious they were for crunching CORE and then Crystal Dynamics. Their obsession with annual releases was worse than Activision. The porting studio was working with a different version of a game that was heavily in flux - multiple characters and sections were cut from Underworld, as can be easily seen on the official Tomb Raider YT channel. There's some wild ideas, like bringing back Rutland's dad out for revenge, and a teen sidekick for Lara who would've been central to defeating Natla. It was not a good time. The Wii version specifically of Underworld also harnesses cut sections from the HD versions, one of which was later repurposed as DLC for the 360 version. This isn't to say I'm, down on the video: I appreciate the enthusiasm, I dig the topic you explored here, but you gotta brush up on your research and script editing. You call the Stadia version the weirdest one but then say "it's simply" within seconds later. The only "weird" thing about it is that it was streaming-based. That's not all that weird in a world where PS Now, XCloud, and Nvidia's streaming services all exist. And why are the ports presented chronologically? You could frame it as "least weird to the absolute weirdest" with a clearer arc for viewers to follow. There's also a variety of pacing issues where I'd start skipping ahead or speeding up the video because you got down a rabbit trail (again - the motion control gripes) rather than focusing on what makes these ports stand out. Some paragraphs could've been condensed down to a sentence, while other talking points could've been much more greatly expanded. I say all this, because you're just starting out, and it's key if you want to persist on this platform to develop good habits when it comes to self-editing. Learn to keep the negative points focused and narrowed so you don't lose your audience. Prioritize what's most exciting and try to transition organically between those points of interest. Be thorough in your research. The last thing you want is to have someone fact-checking you a day later in the comments section over things an hour on Google might inform you of. Also, maybe put a little more oomph into the delivery? You've got a good voice for this, but you sound disinterested at times. I find reading while talking to one friend specifically helps me a lot. If that's an option, do that. Best of luck!

[@emoHlliW2007]

Thanks for the feedback, might surprise you but comments like these are quite helpful.

[@delfrickintree775]

@emoHlliW2007 lives up to his username!

[@emoHlliW2007]

@@delfrickintree775 how so? I don’t get it…

[@delfrickintree775]

@ a reference to the length of his post not being abridged / condensed

[@UnabridgedGamer]

@@delfrickintree775 You should see the latest scripts for videos I'm working on, if you think -that- is long... XD

[@GigabyteFlare]

I can tell you the PC port of Legend is an absolute glitchy mess. If you want a good laugh, I highly recommend playing through the PC version. I've never seen a more glitched out mess in my life 🤣🤣

[@joefield5217]

Xbox version of legends runs at 60 fps. The X360 version looks better vs the PS3, and it even runs smoother. And is playable on the Xbox One and Series Consoles. PS3 version has massive frame rate issue's later on in the game, and the game can look quite blurry, and shadow's cast at a lower resolution. Yes, its true, it was released later on, but they didn't do a very good job with it. PC is easily the best version out there, and you can switch between old and next-gen graphics.

[@Andy_0L]

17:33 How dare you?

[@emoHlliW2007]

Hot take, but it is in my opinion the worst TR game by far.

[@Andy_0L]

@emoHlliW2007 🤬🤬🤬

[@-LOTO-]

I strongly disagree with the TR1-3 Remasters being superior to their PlayStation releases. I'd pick PS1 any day. Semantic issues aside, it was a fun vid. For next time, I think having access to original hardware is a must when talking version differences.

[@uros.u.novakovic]

Did he even play anything on original hardware for this video? It feels like he booted every game on emulation for at least 2 minutes and that's all. There are so many differences between various ports of the game that he didn't mention simply because he only started them, played the intro level and quit. As for the Remasters, I personally consider them superior as well and am probably never going back to the original games now.

[@ToyotaKudoFan]

Why? The Remasters are easily better, the only reason you could think the PS1 versions are better would be nostalgia.

[@emoHlliW2007]

I usually use the classic graphics on the remasters because I find them to be more vibrant, only thing I would say the remaster fails on is the save game bugs - I had so many crashes (playing on Xbox Series S). Such a shame they didn't seem to fix them in the final patch.

[@KasumiRINA]

@emoHlliW2007 remasters classic mode is kind of worse than the modern fan patches like Tomb1Main/TRX and before latest patches it had broken effects (i.e. TR2 water didn't shimmer). PC versions of TR1-5 also have tons of graphic options remasters miss. If people want unmodded originals, emulating PS1 PAL versions (except for 1 they all use 30FPS and correct aspect ratio) is good too. Saying as someone who plays the remasters a lot. Classic mode in them is not very good.

[@anneelk9066]

there is no reason to make the video like this when you just experience the games through an emulator, other than easy views obviously

[@Powered1Buttercup]

Sorry not sorry for me the best version of legend will always be the psp version, I still have the original box from back then 😂 plus I'm such a sucker for how psp graphics look overall Also I really don't like how Lara looks in the pc version, environments look wonderful but she looks like she added a ton of foundation and then forgot the rest of the makeup lol

[@konradfun]

I'd have to disagree with the PS3 version being the best. It has the most contrast and that's about it when it comes to Legends. The foliage is cut back compared to the 360 version and there are visual effects that aren't in the PC version as well. idk about that whole bloom thing in your footage for Anniversary cause it doesn't look like that for me or in other videos I've seen. I remember the PS3 version had it really bad and made Lara look like she's made of plastic though.

[@Puxi]

Next please: PAL vs NTSC

[@072kratos]

I think the saturn version is the first

[@TagCavello]

TR Revelations was godawful on the Dreamcast, sorry. Way too many FPS drops.