Welcome to the shop new plasma table build pt 1

[@davidoleary2452]

Thanks for the video Fred I also embarking down the cnc plasma build road, Im also sold on the masso my table will be 2x4 mtrs I currently have a 1.5x3 mtr which is old and slow. Im hoping to use clearpath servos Seeing your build has gave me the confidence to undertake this

[@SegoMan]

Good Luck with the Masso's lack of THC support and lack of Z axis control when cutting LoL

[@fredsmachinewerks4811]

I would order all the parts first and than start building the table. I myself if having to this over would gone this route. As there are some many option to consider. This make easyer down the road get all the ball screws or gear racks and linear builds. The extrude aluminium was a plus steel is ok but I found less work is nice mind you having to make all the bearing blocks And stepper motor mounts was a bit of a chore but it's all good. If you can make do it the rewards are awesome Cheers Fred

[@davidoleary2452]

@@SegoMan i though this was all integrated in the g3 controller??

[@SegoMan]

@@davidoleary2452 Masso has some serious shortcomings when it comes to THC, the only known working unit is the Proma. Masso states "that any THC system that uses ARC OK, UP and DOWN signals will work." Yet no one on the Masso site has been able to make the Price unit work. Masso also lacks real time axis control when the unit is cutting Up/Down/Speed override. The Price allows Up/Down over ride at the console, Proma which is mounted at the plasma box can be an issue on larger tables like mine. Speed override is necessary in CNC plasma as consumables wear and not all metal cuts the same. it also allows you to grab a file that was for a different thickness of material and adjust the speed accordingly. Saving a date with the CAM software. Feel free to pop over to the Masso forum and chime in on the THC issue, if we make enough noise they will fix the problem: www.masso.com.au/forums/topic/thcs-that-work-with-masso/

[@marklatham5692]

Looks good. Am hoping that you continue to produce updates (as I'm seriously considering building one for myself ... heh).

[@fredsmachinewerks4811]

Ill try to keep the updates coming. Cheers Fred

[@bearsstuff]

Did you make the break away or source it from somewhere?

[@ltgengr]

Could have went with the MyPlasm. No PC required and it works directly with Ohmic Shield.

[@EverettsWorkshop]

I would love a plasma table but sadly not enough room in the shop here. I am interested to see how the system comes together though, as you say there have been a few others who have built them at home and it seems like everyone has a slightly different angle on engineering theirs.

[@fredsmachinewerks4811]

Hello Everett This going be very slow build. Getting the right parts is always hard. And then making parts to adapt the the table is always a little bit of work. But it's coming together. I looked at about 12 to 13 vendors for cnc plasma table They were up in the range of 6000.00 to 15000.00 so this kind of put a damper On things. So I started to research diy And parts. I think have about 4000.00 When its all said done. Few odds and ends. I think the cnc controller was most. Everything else was off of amazon and aliexpress. I'll get some updates done but busy at work. Cheers Fred

[@SegoMan]

Everett, I have seen plaz tables that fold up against the wall for storage, Once you have one of these you will say why didn't I do this sooner. What use to take days to build is a 3 min cut.

[@jamesray9009]

might check out burn tables they have a stand up table..

[@khalidelassad6612]

Thank you for all the information. I would like to see new video about the electrical relay, How did you connect to the limit switches and Masso G3 ,

[@fredsmachinewerks4811]

I'll post a new vidio tomorrow how I did this. Cheers Fred

[@kirkmiller9071]

@@fredsmachinewerks4811 I would be interested in seeing a new video with more detail on the relays and power supplies, and why and how this is needed with the Masso. I'm planning a retro fit on an old Burny 3 set-up and have to learn all this stuff.

[@fredsmachinewerks4811]

Next week I'll explain how I use relays for the end switches. Its better than direct connect to masso .I like to keep peripherals separate . And use external power by using relay dont have to worry about anything shorting out. This will blow the opto in the masso. Cheers Fred

[@fredsmachinewerks4811]

So what do is I use a 3 wire proximity Switch. That energizes the terminal relay and close contacts which is turn energized the input on the masso. Masso uses opto isolators so between 24.volts dc to the input. If you an email address I can send you my drawing. Cheers Fred

[@kirkmiller9071]

Fred's Machine Werks [e-mail]

[@johnrichardson9234]

The Price seems to be one of the better units, and it is the one I plan on using. But I was curious about a floating torch head. The torch is mounted on a spring loaded slide, touches the material, bumps a micro switch, and sets the pierce height then the THC takes over.

[@SegoMan]

Please show me a video of the Price unit working with Masso, Pele' is waiting, rewards offered...

[@johnrichardson9234]

I'm still in the planning stage taking notes, etc. I haven't even decided what controller to use. But the Masso seems the way to go.

[@SegoMan]

@@johnrichardson9234 So did I as well as many others, now were trying to find a THC system that works with Masso. The Proma unit is the only unit that is known / documented to work with the Masso controller (that I can find) and it has it's limits / design flaws. I love the rest of the features Masso offers and we're trying to work out the THC problems. Pele's build is on my channel. Here is the link to the Masso THC discussion: www.masso.com.au/forums/topic/thcs-that-work-with-masso/?part=1

[@johnrichardson9234]

Thanks for the info @ SegoMan, I really appreciate it. I stumbled across a mention of the Price on one of the Masso forums, but I failed to bookmark it. I like the support associated with the Price, but I will be happy with what ever works.

[@SegoMan]

@@johnrichardson9234 John this is what I used, it is a very well built unit he also offers a home switch as well ( I had to mount my own) cnc4newbie.com/store/en/z-axis-slider/plasma-z-axis-with-floating-plate-p91c37/ I also had planned on using the price unit but THC's are not playing well with the Masso units, but we are working on it. Hop over to my channel and check out my build.

[@tomaszzamora8084]

Hi Fred Do you now Export Control Classification Number (ECCN) for masso g3?

[@hilltopmachineworks2131]

Wow. Heck of a project. I think I will just buy mine new. :)

[@fredsmachinewerks4811]

I wish I could have. But diy was about 5 grand less. There are some real nice table out there. Cheers Fred

[@hilltopmachineworks2131]

Fred's Machine Werks I will probably pull the trigger on a table from Go Fab Cnc once I get my shop done.

[@fredsmachinewerks4811]

@@hilltopmachineworks2131 They make great table aswell. I looked at about 10 13 tables and just doing a compare. And US pricing is awesome But the duty and exchange plus shipping was going to kill my budget. I love tables that are plug and play. Because fushion 360 is a little hard to learn When doing everything on a note pad and dont mean a computer pencil and paper it is a bit of a learning curve. Using Siemen solid edge right now. Playing around with that. Cheers Fred

[@hilltopmachineworks2131]

Fred's Machine Werks Yeah I will have to learn 360 when I get it.

[@fredsmachinewerks4811]

@@hilltopmachineworks2131 Down load solid edge. Little easier then fusion 360. Aslo Dowd load scan2 cad. Also very nice program. Will keep you updated. Cheers Fred

[@khalidelassad6612]

Hi Fred I hope you have some time to do the relays and limit switches

[@fredsmachinewerks4811]

I'll be doing some re wiring when the new drivers come in. If you like just email me and I can send you what I used for the limits and the din rail relays. Cheers Fred

[@johnrichardson9234]

Do you plan on using a floating torch head? If so, I would like see what pin you would use on the Masso and what it would be labeled.

[@fredsmachinewerks4811]

I have not desided what thc I am going to use. I just want to get it all together first. I was looking at the price cnc That might work ok. Still waiting for parts for the last 2 months. It has been a long process Will keep everyone updated. Waiting for parts is the worst parts of it all Sometime patiants it no a vertue. Cheers Fred

[@fredsmachinewerks4811]

Yes i have had no time to play with is hopefully soon

[@trialnterror]

Does the g3 support a proma thc?

[@fredsmachinewerks4811]

Yes it does. And works awesome.

[@trialnterror]

@@fredsmachinewerks4811 I see they offer a touch screen I believe it’s for the g3. I have a millright mega v that I’d like to put this on and have auto squaring along with 4th axis !

[@fredsmachinewerks4811]

@@trialnterror They great controller self contained and lots of support. And very easy to wire up as well Cheers Fred

[@Z-add]

can you post a link to the powersupplies and why do you need 3 of them

[@fredsmachinewerks4811]

Hello I use 3 power supplies one for the Masso Controller, one accessories Like fans and relays and the last is the supplies for the stepper motor drivers. I got these off of Amazon. Here the link. www.amazon.ca/TRENDnet-Single-Output-Industrial-DIN-Rail/dp/B01707FN3Y/ref=sr_1_fkmr0_1?keywords=TRENDnet+240+W+Single+Output+Industrial+DIN-Rail+Power+Supply%2C+Extreme+-25+to+70+%C2%B0C+%28-13+to+158+%C2%B0F%29+Operating+Temp%2C+TI-S24048&qid=1586701817&s=electronics&sr=1-1-fkmr0 Cheers

[@alejandroorta4496]

I have a question about masso3, is necessary a software to generate G-code?

[@fredsmachinewerks4811]

Yes you can us sheet cam or dfx to gcode. I have not played around with any cnc gcode yet but very sone. Cheers Fred

[@fredsmachinewerks4811]

Yes you need software to gen g code. Dxf to code. It is freeware. Or get the expensive software. Like autocar or bobcat.and the list goes on. Cheers zFred

[@khalidelassad6612]

Hi please can you tell me the dimensions of the plasma table control box thank you

[@fredsmachinewerks4811]

The control box 20 x 24. Start Hammond Control box

[@PTinvest]

Great video , can you help to build my cnc plasma to send me the bill of the materials of all equipment electrics box and electronics box , hardware , software ,cable .....;

[@khalidelassad6612]

Hi yes please

[@radishfever]

There is no shop big enough😂

[@fredsmachinewerks4811]

That's for sure. More tool need more room. Cheers Fred